Minor error: I stated in the stats ddr2 and not ddr3 also I didn’t include 6900 XT 1080p benchmarks, I’ll post those in this comment later.

Thanks for the shout out, nice one!

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I meant to tell you that was happening. The tip about using the patcher is what was crucial as I stupidly just flashed the card before reading anything.

@hieutrvn

2 ай бұрын

@@dmug If I have upgraded to EnableGOP, do I still need to flash the ROM for my RX 6900 XT graphics card?

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

@@hieutrvn on a Mac Pro 3,1 - 5,1 yes. As explained in the video you cannot boot a classic Mac Pro with a 6000 series GPU.

Nice video Greg. It is so refreshing to watch your videos on the Mac Pro 5,1. You know your stuff and your insights are right on point. I have an RX 6800XT in my 5,1 and your comment on the 4K gaming is spot-on.

Really enjoyed watching this, and so glad to see a 5,1 being used in this way. Now I want a cider.

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, my brother has been a Mac Pro user as long as me, maybe longer as I think he had a Mac Pro 2006.

I love the Mac Pro cases and have like 5 ranging from 2004 (ppc) to a 2010 5,1. Will keep watching your exploits for ways to bring up their performance as I convert them to Linux systems or (for the PPC units), repurpose the cases into maker projects... or furniture. 🙂

Watching from Ireland where Bandon OR inherited its name from. Maybe your brother could bring out a special 'Averill' brew as a nod to what the town used to be called. Love your vids btw. My 5,1 remains my daily workhorse thanks to your many informative contributions to the community \m/\m/

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

As someone who grew up in the second Bandon, I've always wanted to go to Bandon, Ireland. The pictures make it look cool. Lord Bennett who named Bandon who came over from the UK brought gorse with him and it's a HUGE problem as an invasive species to the southern Oregon coast. My brother does make a gorse cider where he picks the blossoms and makes basically a heavier gorse wine and then blends it into a very dry cider. It's actually a great cider.

@johncoady144

2 ай бұрын

@@dmug Now that I'd like to taste. I live on the SE coast where there's so much gorse its colour is featured in the county flag. Purple and Gold. Purple for the heather that grows extensively, and Gold for the gorse that lights up the countryside right about now there's that much of it. Love the smell of it. I'm sure it's a nice 'drunk' the way your brother brews it. Can't say much about Bandon Cork as it's been years since I've been in it. Cork county, particularly West Cork is stunning though.

Such a great video!

I honestly love this Machine its Really cool to see both the 7,1 and 5,1 together

Very cool, nice to see the 5,1 upgraded and running well! It still looks modern, hard to believe it’s an older machine. Definitely good value for performance, easy to upgrade but still capable! Great video!

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

I really wish Intel would have kept the socket for one more generation so we'd had AVX natively. That'd added quite a bit.

@TheOriginalCollectorA1303

2 ай бұрын

Even with the older architecture, it’s one of these older machines are are still capable even today. Despite the setup needed, the fact it works is awesome to see!

Great video Greg, I am keeping my 2012 5.1 Mac Pro till I die.

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

I know the feel, I’ve held onto my Mac Pro 2008 and plan keep it as long as it works.

I love Bandon! I visited there years ago on a drive along 101. I hope to make it back there soon to get some ciders now too.

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

The 101 drive from Arcata to Bandon is fantastic, redwoods to the Samuel H Boardman. During the pandemic I spent time down in Bandon and did day hikes in the Redwoods. The drive in Crescent city to Boy Scout tree is worth it just since you’re so deep in the redwoods.

Awesome video Greg, love to see the 5’1 videos. I personally use a rx 6800, dual x5690, and 96gb ram config for tripple channel. It works great with a converted 2017 27” iMac 5k monitor and I have to say it’s one of the best pairings you can have with the 5,1 and at 4k gaming.

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Those 5k iMac displays are just fantastic.

Excellent backgrounds on the B-Roll, since we moved to Toronto I miss my 2009 4.1/5.1 cMP although my M1 Pro 14" MacBook Pro is doing great

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I have a M1 Max and have to say it’s overall the best laptop I’ve used. I miss having a 5,1 myself too.

Love learning about the old classic mac pros. I recently bought a 2010 mac pro for $100 AUS that did not work but has a dual cpu tray upgraded with the maximum cpu's for that machine, 32 gb of ram, a usb 3 pcie adapter and a blue ssd drive sled and 3 attachment for ssd's to the other sleds. I believe it needs a new power supply but I bought it for the parts. Plus I bought another 2010 mac pro that does work for $200 that is a dual quad core cpu, 32gb of ram, a metal spported graphics card and 2 tb seagate harddrive. I have a m2 and nmve dual adapter and have put a 128 gb m2 ssd and 500 gb nmve ssd on it. I will waiting for Gregs other videos and upgrade the working mac pro and use a power supply from one of my 2009 mac pros to try and fix the non working mac pro. Look forward to the other videos. One day I might even own a 2019 mac pro when they become cheap enough.

First love your channel and your seemingly infinite knowledge of all things Mac Pro 5,1. I pretty much maxed my sc MP to play games and it WAS a lot of fun. But as you already stated thats for older titles and my library was filled thanks to Santa with newer CPU dependent games like Starfield aka Star Wars. And while I love all my MPs they either are retired or serve as a HTMac vs a gaming rig. In fact it cost excruciatingly LESS to build a mid-tier PC that plays everything @1440p locked 60FPS with max settings then it did to upgrade my Mac to play only old titles. Jat, cheers.

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was wondering if there were some games that simply were going to crush the Mac Pro, my brother and I don't play online games, and we only had the games in his Steam Library (nor does he have a FiOS connect like myself so it takes a lot longer to download games) so we were stuck with older titles. I'd checked Stray, CyberPunk 2077 and Alan Wake 2 but I even had my Mac Pro 5,1 at the launch of CyberPunk and used the NoAVX hack. With a Radeon VII at 1440 upscaled to 4k it was a 60 FPS experience mostly maxed. I have a feeling if CyberPunk runs fine, those others would as well. I know there's genres of games that probably are going to punish a Mac Pro 5,1 more, mostly the competitive MMO online style games but as someone who doesn't play many games and limited time, I'm just never going to be evaluating those. StarField though notoriously ran like shit on even high end gaming rigs so I feel like that says less about the Mac Pro than it does about the game's optimization.

Great content

Mac Pro 2013 'trashcan' 128GB RAM, 2TB NVME, dual AMD Fire Pro D700 6GB VRAM GPUs, Xeon E5-2697.v2 12-Cores

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

That sounds nice, man

I still use my 2008 mac pro with my sony hdv camera and it has a bluray recorder that I added so its not going any were any time soon. I have spining hard drives still but i do have a good back up so im not worried. I use it when I record plays and performances.

In my experience with this heatsink (I have the single core model), you can't over-tighten it. Once you tighten them all the way they won't go any further. The main thing is to do a criss cross pattern and only tighten each screw 3, or 4 rotations as you do that, as to not put too much pressure on one side of the cpu. Then go over the screws again until each one stops and gives you resistance. I have never been able to over-tighten them because they don't let me. I thought the over-tightening was only an issue with the de-lidded models?

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Trying to remember the one where people snapped them. I think all dual cpu trays? Maybe someone else will chime in.

@StueyMonster

2 ай бұрын

@@dmug Gonna have to agree with @alienrefugee51 on this Greg. Upgraded 20+ machines and there is no guess work. The screws don't simply resist, they come to a definite stop point. I can't understand people saying you can over-tighten/crush/bend CPU pins. I see more memory/cpu issues on FB groups with people not tightening to stop point. The only over-tighten issue is people that don't de-lid on a dual core 2009 board, and then i'm like "good luck with that" :)

I'm offended. The only proper way to apply thermal paste is in a double helix like DNA or an acceptable alternative is a smiley face 😀 ....but never an X, +, or O pattern. Come on, man, you're supposed to be a professional.

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

I use fractals, preferably the Mandelbrot set but my brother doesn’t like math.

@VincentPolisi

2 ай бұрын

@@dmug I'll allow it....

Hi Greg, I have a recurring question. I managed to get my claws on a 5,1 Mac Pro, leaving behind my 3,1... As in the 3,1, I am running Linux Ubuntu as the OS. But I have a thumb drive with (OCLP) Monterey and the old SSD with High Sierra from the 3,1... If I plug in the High Sierra drive, can I boot it into MacOS? Will I be able to boot into Linux again...... What should the "order" of my actions be to boot into Mac OS and/or Linux???? I am planning to use the thumb drive to have Monterey working... And Linux Ubuntu... Thank you for your response...

I think the bottom line here is these older. Mac pros have more than outlive their expected life and and they still deliver a crazy amount of value I would argue over and above similar PCs that were sold at the same time. I have 2; a 3,1 & a 4,1. I use them primarily as large drive carrier photo repositories so they really only get turned on a few times a year when I need something but seriously these systems are just great and they run and run and run.

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Accurate.

Good. I just bought one two weeks ago :-)

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

If it doesn't have the X5690, you can still get them for $25. The X5680s as little as $15. There's really no reason not to upgrade to either CPU.

@stevem-h3562

2 ай бұрын

@@dmug Im looking at that. I'm also considering getting a dual CPU tray for it and upgrading to a dual 5690 set up. :-)

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

@@stevem-h3562 It's almost always cheaper to buy an entire dual CPU computer than just the CPU tray. You might luck out but that's been my experience

@stevem-h3562

2 ай бұрын

@@dmug yeah, thats not lost on me. 🙂

Does this GPU mean that Monterey is the last os for the setup?

Oh hey don't mind me, I'm just here for the thermal paste discussions 😉

The NVRAM has degraded on 2 5,1 Mac Pro backplanes for me in the last year. Stuck at Catalina because OCLP simply won’t budge on anything newer. It WAS a 12-core 3.46Ghz system with 96GB and 2TB of mixed NVMe and AHCI PCIe flash running Monterey. It’s so power hungry, I’m going to replace it with a 12-core 2013 Mac Pro and use the RX580 I have in my 5,1 in an eGPU enclosure and roll the 5,1 back to High Sierra and Mojave without OCLP. All the work arounds and advice to get any OS above Catalina to boot/install on every forum or KZread channel I’ve tried failed miserably and I can run universal binaries of current IZotope and Waves plugins with current Pro Tools and current Reason 12 just fine on Catalina.

what's the absolute best video card for 2012 (flashed 2009 12 core) currently using rx480

@dmug

10 күн бұрын

If you're willing to go Pixlas and block your second 16x PCIe Slot, the 6900 XT. It'd be really stupid but it is feasible. It's best to go 6800 as there are dual height ones. MacSoundSolutions has a video about flashing the 6800

what would be the best, top 3 gpu's for 5,1 running Mojave, Monterey and Sonoma (partitions for testing)

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Well, if you want to have Mojave compatible, you're limited GPUs that were supported in that era which is the Radeon VII, then Vega 56 and 64 and the RX580.

@OTTOAUDIO

2 ай бұрын

@@dmug ok what if I dont need Mojave and just rock 5,1 Cmp?

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

@@OTTOAUDIO blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#aftermarket-gpus

I still have a dual CPU one 2x x5680s, 48gb RAM and a 5700xt as my gaming pc 🤣

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Probably plays all the games you'd like to play still. Is it the best? Nah, but it's certainly good enough for a bulk of people, self included.

@Microang

2 ай бұрын

@@dmug yep, most of the games I play are several years old now anyway and I have a 4k monitor so the CPU isn't a huge bottleneck...

Windows refusing to run an app... It's called smartscreen. Read the dialogue and you find a link on the dialogue to run anyway

DMUG : Enough with the Cider I know you here for Mac ME : Bro at that point Im all in for the Oregon Craft Beers

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Ha, I kinda lowered the frequency of beer features just because I got tired of angry comments like “drinking beer doesn’t make you cool” or judgmental comments “you shouldn’t drink so much” as if I drink every day.

So... you need a windows box to upgrade a Mac. Right.

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Well, only if you want to use a GPU from 2023 in a computer from 2010. The Radeon VII offers similar performance to the 6600 XT but many were mined pretty hard since they had 16 GB HBM2 memory and still go for as much as a new 6600 XT if not more. 5700 XTs are a better used option but slightly slower and not a huge price difference. Of the three options, the 6600 XT draws by far the least power but requires flashing and can only be used with Monterey and newer. The VII is supported in Mojave and the 5700 XT in Catalina. Just how it is trying to keep a computer nearly 15 years old semi-currrent.

I wish I never sold my 5,1. It was a good computer. It just used too much power.

I've got a 2010 5,1. Now cannot get a OS on it. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Do you have access to one the GPUs with a native Mac ROM, like one of the GPUs it shipped with? That's going to be crucial.

@JgHobley

2 ай бұрын

@@dmug Hi. Thanks for your reply. Yes, I do.

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

@@JgHobley If you have a Mac, creating a USB bootable drive shouldn't be too hard. If you have a DVD-R, burning whatever OS you want should be easy. Just NVRAM reset before trying to install.

@JgHobley

2 ай бұрын

I cannot tell you what it's been like in the past hour! 🤯 I found the original GPU. Didn't work. Then realised I needed the power cord for it. I found it! Then the Apple Cinema display wouldn't work but remembered there was a mains plug which I some how found. Now, I have a flashing folder showing no OS. Where can I get an old version? I don't think my 2015 MBP will let me get a very old version?

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

@@JgHobleyI have them linked on my blog, this will take you to the old OS section. I’d recommend starting with high sierra as it’ll support the old GPU then moving from there blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html#oldversions

Cmon… it’s not a “cidery” any more than you’d call its brother a “beerery”. It’s a brewery!

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Ha, lecture the guy who’s family literally owns a cidery. It’s a dictionary word and they don’t brew, they ferment. Wine and cider making have everything in common. A place that makes wine is a winery, a place that makes cider is a cidery, a place that place that brews is a brewery, a place that distills is a distillery. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cidery Hell, travel Oregon even has articles about the cideries of Oregon. traveloregon.com/things-to-do/eat-drink/cider-cideries/

audio guy here... #longlivethe51

Ewwww DDR2?

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

Shit, I meant ddr3

how the fuck did you get a 6600 XT for

@dmug

2 ай бұрын

On newegg? I think it was open box.