Ask Wolfgang . probably not going to work.dirt is for racing pavement for getting there!

One of the best racing channels on KZread!!

CJ Rayburn always said he developed his chassis ideas on pavement first then transitioned them to the dirt. It's no surprise to see a modern DLM go fast on pavement. We use wider, softer tires and have a hell of a lot of mechanical grip in these cars.

I was at What once motordrome speedway a half mile blacktop track. They ran a dirt late model on the track with dirt tires at intermission and after he got a couple of l a ps started going after the track record, this guy was running 1/2 of a second faster that the track record, those blacktop people couldn't believe that. They used the score board to record that guy running laps during his run. It was a local guy that ran at Pittsburgh pa motor speedway.

Longhorn wins because they share info with their customers it seems like. The rocket house car always wants to be the leader of the bunch. Longhorn doesn't care who wins, as long as it's one of their chassis doing it.

@robertwestover2125

8 күн бұрын

You couldn’t be more wrong. Rocket is very involved in establishing a relationships with car owners and crew chiefs, assisting them in initial chassis setups (getting a car baseline), then tuning the car to the driver. I have owned several Rocket chassis’s, and every one performed well. We didn’t always win, but we were always competitive.

@corey7025

8 күн бұрын

@robertwestover2125 I do believe Rocket will support you up to a certain level, but they will never let someone else be better than their house car and that's what will hold them back. I have been going to dirt late model races for about 15 years, back when Josh Richards was in the seat. I think in those 15 years, there has been less than 10 times I've seen another rocket car beat their house car. With Longhorn, its anyone's night. Moran, Marlar, Pierce, Sheppard, RTJ, Davenport, Hudson, any one of them can unload and are a threat to win on a national level. With Rocket, it's only their house car that is competitive on a national level.

Those infinity chassis will be climbing up to the top ,wait and see

Hawkeye Downs used to run a Late model show on their 1/2 mile pavement. Even ran on spec dirt tires, cars were flying!!

I remember a few years ago people were saying "its the Rocket racing series" or Mark Richards racing series". Look at it now. Longhorn racing series. Both national series......... All manufacturers take turns at the top. Right now its Longhorns turn. I wouldn't be surprised if Rocket is in process of designing a new chassis to replace the XR1. Its been 8 years and 10-15 seems to be the lifespan of a specific chassis model.

ESS just ran this past weekend at Evans Mill.Speedway in N.Y..Dirt modifieds run at Wall during the Turkey Derby. These are both asphalt tracks so what's the big deal.

I used to love the "Dirt Cars on Asphalt" races that BJ Parker promoted around the southeast. Those guys would put on a heck of show at places like Birmingham and Huntsville.

I’d rather not see dirt cars try racing on pavement. It been tried before and failed. I want dirt cars on dirt.

@SlideOrDie24x

8 күн бұрын

💯 pavement is for getting to the track

@stevesimonds7837

8 күн бұрын

Well today’s dirt racing is like pavement anyways. 99.999% of tracks are smooth dry slick and looks like pavement racing anyway. Late model technology is so advanced the cars suck on heavy rough tracks. So putting them on pavement doesn’t seem like much different anyway. Put slicks on and watch the same racing

@SlideOrDie24x

8 күн бұрын

@@stevesimonds7837 I don’t think it’s so much the tracks either I think it’s the late model it’s self, they rely on that nose to turn so everyone is getting the body’s skewed and it’s ruined the racing. Only time you see a good late model race is in the Midwest on the bullrings where that spoiler or nose don’t even really matter

@ClarkBoyzRacing

8 күн бұрын

There's actually been a few dirt cars that have had success on pavement 😂 Curt Spalding had the track record at Kalamazoo Speedway for the longest time that he set with a Rocket on lm40s at their call of the wild night.

@bubbaakatommyoso4119

8 күн бұрын

I've seen them running on asphault years ago they did it once a year at my home track Caraway speedway is aphault and they.come and raced and it wasn't much different then the Asphault Outlaw Latemodel Division they look similar too SLMs but I don't wonta see dirt cars pavement I agree with u

i remember back in the 80s i think someone challenged the dirt late models to run a pavement race.

I’ve seen comments stating that the dirt cars on asphalt is not going to work because of the bodies, tires etc. Others are saying that this is the wrong decision because they will be slow etc. Those comments are completely irrelevant and false. That dirt car that looked so slow that everyone thought he was pulling into the pits was turning 14 second laps. At Anderson Speedway, the asphalt late models are running 15 second lap times. The first time on track and they were turning 14 second lap times, they will get faster and it will be a good show. I remember when the sprint cars came to race at Anderson, they were turning mid 13 second lap times and slowed down to low 14 second laps.

It seems like rocket has become the Teo car of late model racing and long horn is the Bicknell!!

It's never over!

We went to the Summer Nationals race at our home track/Spoon River Speedway last week. The series is lacking something, cars and crews all looked fresh and like they haven't been on the so called hell tour. It really just feels like an extended version of the Mars tour with just a few exceptions of national drivers the first week of course. WRG needs to bring back the 28 races in 31 days schedule or just mothball the tour. The Monday off days and weekly points have watered the product down along with the lack of series drivers following the last week when the tour heads to Michigan, Indiana and ohio. #MakeTheSummerNationalsActullyHellAgainPlease

When he got to the corner, I thought he was pulling in to the pits.

My brother in law did it 25 years ago and won going from dirt to payment is harder than people think

They used to run dirt Mods at Elko Speedway in MN. I saw them in the late 90s

The Empire Super Sprint series created an asphalt sprint class this year. The ESS is known for winged 360 sprint races being on dirt

@dalejohnson9624

8 күн бұрын

I believe they still do race and one race at Evans Mills with the ESS

@Trackratz-zl9di

8 күн бұрын

I was up north on business/personal and found ESS by accident. They put on a great show with good car counts and now when I'm up there I try to work it into the itenerary. I would love to see them run on ashphalt.

@dalejohnson9624

8 күн бұрын

@@frankisfunny2007 The track ESS runs on when they do is just north of Watertown called Evans Mills raceway

@frankisfunny2007

8 күн бұрын

@dalejohnson9624 ahh, I thought it was a series. My bad!

@dalejohnson9624

7 күн бұрын

@@frankisfunny2007 not to my knowledge but anything's possible

Chassis game is basically a 2 horse race on the national tour it seems. How about showing the numbers of how many longhorns, rockets, ect, are filling the fields. Not just the win numbers.

Few years ago a guy running big side board or as we always called it shower door lol and dirt tires on pavement late model at that Kalamazoo Michigan he was running low 9s screaming around that track

That was F-in fast

It would be interesting to me to dig into what kind of deal all these longhorn guys have. I would be interested to see how much they have spent to recruit all these top teams or if they have at all. It seems to me like they might be using the old strategy of eliminating their competition by recruiting all the top teams like Hendrick used in nascar and if so that isn’t good for any of us.

7:13 I highly approve of this tomfoolery. Actually, given pavement sprints are also a thing, has anyone contemplated the idea of a mixed-surface calendar yet?

@cliffbeckwith4019

8 күн бұрын

The World of Outlaws tried it in early 90s, the first pavement race was a nightmare, especially for Doug Wolfgang..

We did it years ago. Tri County in Hudson NC closed for the 4th years ago. We knew they were going asphalt. We won the first race back. I got smart and went to Harry Gants shop and talked to Travis Carter. He knew our car and gave me some tires to run. Asked what they were since I had to pull the inner liners out of 4. He told me we were going to run Talledegas on the right side Martinsville on the left. Boy did it work shame they put a tire rule in 2 weeks lster

Ace Speedway in Altamahaw, NC, which was dirt in the early 80’s, paved later, used to run several dirt LM shows on pavement each season. RR tires didn’t last long as I recall, and the lap times compared to the LMSC’s that run there were wildly faster! The twist? Several of the dirt drivers wound up selling their dirt cars and going asphalt racing!

A dirt late model in a asphalt race....very interesting!

Looks like there is just so many more longhorns out there , as far as top teams

There is a local dirt late model series a couple of years ago floated throdea of bringing their dirt late models to some local asphalt tracks and was talking about pYing some pretty decent money.... But it never really went anywhere

It's a numbers game. When you have the majority of the big names in LH they better be winning! It's a cycle and Rocket is still winning in the non-big touring series.

That late model was moving!

@aaron4650

7 сағат бұрын

It was over a second faster than the late models that have raced on this same track. The sprint cars ran there years ago and were in the 13 second lap times but slowed down to low 14 second laps

Anderson Speedway used to be a dirt track many many years ago.

@jamiecrawford8133

8 күн бұрын

Same thing with Slinger

Just as it should be just like in the 90s with GRT . If you got the most cars out there and the best drivers well it happens .

Super Dirt Late Models at Winchester. Book it.

We tried to run on pavement at huntsvile . Heres a tip a dirt guy wont know: when the suns out it makes the track greasy and will help it turning in the corner. When the sun goes down it will PUSH till you roast the rear brakes off it trying to make it turn. Trust me

I hope that someone streams the pavement race.

Joiner in a longhorn 😜

Yet Rocket won the Lucas Oil championship last year with the ok nly Rocket in the top 10 in points.Love it Mark Richard's is not done no matter anybody thinks he is too smart. Bloomquist once told Mark that he was not smart enough to figure out what he was doing. But you see you is racing and who isn't.

@hjr2450

8 күн бұрын

Paper champions. RTJ won a record number of races last season and was so far ahead he could have stayed home for that last race

I'd definitely pay to watch some dirt late models on some high banked asphalt, 5 Flags, Winchester or Slinger

Faster times then the latemodels and yea The last time i seen them.do that was in the Late 90s earlly 2000s HE said exactly the same thing i was talking about in my other comment they did that at carway speedway 20+years ago

Warrior is the way to go #Comanche

I see where One track wonder won again! Wonder if he will ever race at a different track?

Are they going to run slicks or dirt tires?

Being from upstate Ny it’s great to see McCreadie struggle. However it ends up I don’t see him being back in rocket 1 next year

A dirt late model on asphalt isnt a dirt late model anymore is it? 🤔

It'll probably be boring but I'm very down for some pavement races

Back in the 80s we ran a deal called mspa Michigan Speedway promoters Association what we did we raced every Wednesday night on pavement and dirt with a dirt car here's a good story back in 80s we were going to run the pavement with a dirt car which would be the first time instead of buying new tires we went to Ed h o w e he had a stack of used pavement tires so we packed out the best we could find went home put them on went to the pavement race and ended up beating Ed Howell with a dirt car on used slick tires actually won quite a lot of races with payment and dirt won the championship quite a few times I was hoping one day they would do it again I guess it would have been back in the 80s 89 I believe Louisville Kentucky add a dirt car race on pavement reset last time Rayburn set second time we thought we had a good chance to win that one then I got rained out and they never rescheduled it

@bobpatterson3686

8 күн бұрын

Meant to say k r i s set fast time in Rayburn 2nd pastime in Louisville this damn phone of mine's got a mind of its own

@Trackratz-zl9di

8 күн бұрын

I remember that series back then but I never got to see them race What tracks did they run ? Didn't Mark Malcuit run some of those races ?

@the14fan

8 күн бұрын

Worked at a track in Michigan that hosted the Wednesday night race for several years. It was fun times to go visit a different track each Wednesday

@bobpatterson3686

8 күн бұрын

M a r k m a l c u t you mean Captain sizzle I don't remember him running any of them went to place like Auto City Owosso Dixie Owendale Whitmore Spartan Springport Kalamazoo and Berlin

@Trackratz-zl9di

8 күн бұрын

@@bobpatterson3686 That's him Captain Sizzle. Lol

Dirt for racing Payment for parking

@RegularJoes

8 күн бұрын

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Not long ago there wasn't a single LH on the WoO tour, now Rockets are the backmarkers bringing out cautions on national tours.

Make Rocket great again..haha

IMCA Deery Brothers series used to run at Hawkeye Downs every year. The dirt cars werent much more fun to watch than the pavement cars. Almost always one groove on the bottom.

The nascar races at Bristol were kind of a joke and the trucks at Eldora produced more interesting results but they had more dirt racers and time to develop the product. I would watch it but then I travel to see modified lawn tractor races. Dirt guys are smarter and more adaptive than any racers and you can't beat a great dirt track .

If 80% of the chassis are Horns who do you think will win? Its all a matter of numbers. Seen this happen for 50 years...Longhorn is simply the flavor of the day.

What kind of speeds do the dlms run compared to a slms on pavement? He looked like he was flying around that track.

@kyleolson279

8 күн бұрын

The dirt cars are much faster.

It's all fun and games on pavement til that dirt late model hits something hard, like another car or the wall. There's a reason why dirt latemodels and pavement superlates are different. The dirt car would look like a crushed beercan.

So you’re basing it only on national tour races

Longhorn is doing now to Rocket what Rocket did to Bullitt

358 Dirt Mods run the Grand Prix de Trois Rivieres every year, yes, a street circuit, in dirt modfiieds. Dirt Lates on Pavement ain't even that weird in comparison.

I'm all for trying new things, but yikes. those asphalt laps looked boring. That race will be like watching a herd of turtles.

Looks like Rocket fucked up. Huddy was doin all kinds of winning in the rocket.

@54raceman

7 күн бұрын

Huddy left because tess couldn’t stay in the toter

The Southern AllStar race at Clayhill has been postponed per Clayhill's facebook page

Pavements slow lol

springfield is a great track but i wish the owner would put a spot to get water there is no way to cool ur car if it over heats unless u bring ur own water i live 20 mins from the track