Christians speak as if we all signed a contract to exist or something. We didn't even choose to be here yet suddenly we're slaves to a God and are bound to his rules with no way out. That's sickening

@tonybuck1225

Жыл бұрын

God wants us to reach Heaven and experience everlasting bliss. But He is a libertarian - He won't force us to.

@joshuaneal7552

Жыл бұрын

We're born cursed, yet it's our fault that we're cursed. Uhhhhhh......... what? God isn't too bright, is he?

@jojo_jx7

Жыл бұрын

​@@tonybuck1225 Yet the alternative is suffering in Hell? An experience God is responsible for creating in the first place? If God was truly libertarian he would let loose all those who choose not to follow or believe in him. Not create then entrap them

@leob3447

Жыл бұрын

@@tonybuck1225 God will hide and speak through 2000 year old texts that often make no sense, or are contradictory - just like even other ancient religion - but he wants us to reach heaven. God chose to reveal it's existence to numerous people - many without their seeking - but somehow that didn't violate their free will. Hmmm

@samuelk8915

Жыл бұрын

@@jojo_jx7 yes that’s how it works. The creator of the universe makes the rules. He still gives us free choice. He even tells us everything that we enjoy is because of him. Laughter, joy, peace sunshine, friendship, rain, trees, nature..etc hell is simply a place void of God thus everything good. Can’t eat your cake & have it too.

I always wonder how a family would feel in heaven knowing a member is in hell for mere lack of belief.

@Pfsif

Жыл бұрын

Depends on the family member. You assume a Normal Rockwell family I think. I'd have no problem knowing.

@PH2554

Жыл бұрын

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@realigiousrayne

Жыл бұрын

That would make heaven a sorta hell.

@scottguitar8168

Жыл бұрын

@@realigiousrayne That is certainly my thought and I would certainly not think it is fair to be tortured for mere disbelief. I do suspect there is an afterlife but I also believe all religions get it wrong and historically there always seems to be a good reason for why our man made religions came into being.

@tygon13

Жыл бұрын

Lack of belief is literally the only thing that's unforgivable, but it's "unforgivable" because of a mechanical issue in logic. You say "merely", but it's the only thing that's truly problematic. It's the one thing that most affects choice. On top of that "hell" isn't what we think of when we think of hell. It's a place where God is not. It's "torture" only in that it's a place that is not necessarily in line with the will of God, a place that is "not good". Since we were made in line with God's Will, and what we like most at the end of the day, the things that are good... We would perceive anyting not good as being torturous. ... Or something like that. But, how would anyone feel, knowing that anyone is experiencing a life without goodness within it. And especially when it's because they've chosen that life?

That dude’s “two cents” are worth every penny.

@ciggyjacobs6391

4 ай бұрын

Completely brilliant!! One of the best comments among this whole range of great comments!

It upsets me that at one point as a child I thought that I’d go to hell for merely misbehaving. It’s sad to know I’m not the only one.

@theodoreritola7641

3 ай бұрын

Sin sends people to Hell NOT your behavior, Jesus blood washes all your sins a way past present and future when you trust him ONLEY.

@jful

Ай бұрын

@@theodoreritola7641 sucks to be everyone who never heard of Jesus I guess

@theodoreritola7641

Ай бұрын

SUCKS EVEN WORSE WHEN U KNOW ABOUT HIM AND U REJECT HIM, WHO IS THAT ON ? THAT all you need to do is belive that he died 4 all your sins past present and future sins and when u belive he died 4u presonaly to keep u out of hell and be with him 4 ever u will be saved his promise to them that belive him

@jful

Ай бұрын

@@theodoreritola7641 ok so firstly, you didn't address my point so I assume you concede that it's an immoral thing that is being put forward by your religion. Secondly, if you punish people for not believing in something you are punishing them for something they fundamentally cannot control. Either I can be convinced and believe that Jesus died for my sins or not based on the information put forward, it's not something I can actively choose. If you doubt that, see if you can believe that there's an invisible dragon living under your bed for the next hour. I bet you can't, because belief is not a choice.

@teddyjlockwood

Ай бұрын

It sucks to know that my two cousins who have high support needs autism and who can't even talk are going to hell just because they can't understand. Since a lot of Christians believe that life begins at conception, it sucks that the multiple miscarriages my mom had are all going to hell. It sucks that all the people living in a place that they can't learn about God are going to hell. It sucks that everyone who doesn't believe the exact correct thing (which everyone defines differently) are all going to hell. It sucks, but I guess that's justice! Let's all praise the God who apparently loves only the cis, straight, able-bodied with preference to those who are white men! What a just god!

Growing up in a southern Baptist church, I was subjected to the fire and brimstone preachers screaming at the top of their lungs like they were condemning the congregation for coming to listen to the service, the deep psychological effect on young children is just cruel and the parents of children seem oblivious to this.

@jimrothers7282

Жыл бұрын

Not oblivious, full of certainty as to the virtuous effects. My beef is with the establishment (mind doctors and others who know better) for not calling it what it is. CHILD ABUSE.

@kevinjackson2361

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's terrible that the preacher wanted to save your eternal soul. If there were a fire in your house would you not want him to tell you ? If you had cancer and he knew the cure wouldn't you want him to tell you?

@kennethwallace1494

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinjackson2361 First of all I was speaking about the effect that screaming about hell fire has on young children, of course your probably of the believe that if a 5 year old dies, he would be cast into a lake of fire, you should research those words and translations from Aramaic to Greek many are double translations , that early church writers only used the meaning that suited the narrative they created.

@jimrothers7282

Жыл бұрын

@The mesenger the fire is real, your mind virus deity is not.

@DrMonty-yr1kc

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinjackson2361 The good thing is that those things you listed are real things that can happen, can be observed, and can be treated/fixed…your god doesnt even qualify for any of these requirements lol

I would also ask if infinite suffering is ever just for a finite crime. How can an imposed punishment ever be just if one can never learn from it?

@ianalan4367

Жыл бұрын

Because it’s not a ‘punishment’ it is a state of one’s soul.

@zotaninoron3548

Жыл бұрын

@@ianalan4367 The Christian in the video literally describes it as the 'just punishment for sin'. Now, I know folks like you want to talk around that through a semantic game. But regardless, the deity that is most often articulated in this world view is omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient. Which is a contradiction because the deity has the power and knowledge to subvert this cruelty of the fate. Why doesn't this ever powerful deity create a cycle of learning for these wayward soles? Even we hope that prisons teach people to be better. The Deity has nothing better than to just cast aside these souls?

@Lerian_V

Жыл бұрын

@@zotaninoron3548 Stop listening to Christians who have no magisterial authority to teach/interpret Scriptures. A deconstruction of Calvinist theology is not actually a deconstruction of authentic traditional/classical Christian theology. Having said that, I don't really blame people for whom the Christianity they have always known is the modern/Protestant interpretation. It's either the traditional Christianity isn't speaking up enough, or the modernists are much louder.

@zotaninoron3548

Жыл бұрын

@@Lerian_V I hate to break it to you but I don't think anyone has any special authority, here. Everyone has their own nonsense they're rationalizing. There are plenty who believe as the Christian in the video believes and that's all that matters. The contradiction in their belief. I actually think the one in the video is more honest than the first guy, Ian Alan, to reply to me. Because at least he isn't trying to play semantic games to try and rescue an omnipotent deity from the responsibility of the consequences of the creation it is claimed it made. Its cowardly, frankly. The tv series, "The Good Place" actually does a not half bad job destructing many of the inherent issues and managed to resolve a lot of the problems by the end of the series in a pretty reasonable way given the confines of a comedy about philosophy. But you're more than welcome to throw your own interpretation into the ring and I'll gladly punch holes in it for you. :) I've yet to hear an interpretation of the Christian God that isn't pretty awful. Its actually pretty wild to me that Christians try to cling to the idea that the deity they worship is benevolent considering the monstrous things it gets up to in the bible.

@Lerian_V

Жыл бұрын

@@zotaninoron3548 I understand that's what you think. But if you knew better, you wouldn't have fallen for the perverted version of Christianity you experienced. I'm not saying anyone here has authority. I'm not the authority, you're not the authority either; no one here is. It's rather the 2000-year-old Church from which we got the Bible that has the authority to interpret and teach it.

I’m a ex Jehova’s Witness. I’m so happy someone like you are speaking up so clearly about the subjectivity of the Bible and religion. Your work is the work of the True “God” 😉 that universe force that wants us to evolve beyond limitation. 👏🏼👏🏼

@harrisontaylor3751

Жыл бұрын

Mormonism is not Christianity it is pretty much not Biblical at all. Also what Universe force are you talking about?

@Cuffsmaster

11 ай бұрын

@@harrisontaylor3751 Jehova's witnesses and Mormans are not the same thing. I think nature and the process of life is a universe force.

@rebekahthesaint6460

11 ай бұрын

We have many ways out. Do you know we raise from the dead people who are in hell thus can baptist and turned into a christian without worrying about hell? Matthew 10:8 for those in hell already. And we can time travel for those who are currently alive and don't believe so...we have ways out.

@marcdc6809

11 ай бұрын

My mother was devout catholic, but not in a nasty way, she would shout at me that I was going to hell once... but she didn't mind or judge gay people. The religion never stuck on me, but it still left some traces that took root in the way I'm thinking... I can imagine the Jehova's are even more of a cult, secluded, keeping outsiders really out and guarding the insiders from outside influence, frowing on contact with outsiders... On your statement that the universe would want us to evolve... I've come to terms with the idea that nature doesn't judge, predators also need to feed their young, bacteria make you ill, but that's not because they're evil, they just want to reproduce, there is no evil intent. Nature doesn't select certain individuals and kills off others, it's just so that the best equipped manage to leverage their advantage and thrive... I do like the statement: 'we are the eyes through which the universe observes itself'... we give meaning, we evolved empathy and build a set of rational rules on it... you could then even say that I think if there's a god it is the sum of all conscious life on earth, including many of the animals...

@lucasoliveira5835

9 ай бұрын

@@harrisontaylor3751 everyone is entitle to believe what they want to believe, if I want to speak about a universe to describe my belief to the unknown, I don’t have to explain it to you and you don’t have to believe it. Also, JW and Mormons are not the same things. Thanks.

I like your content cuz it's allowing discussion and empowering to the audience. :) thanks Kristi

This isn't mine: Its not a CHOICE if the options are X or Eternal Torture Its called extortion

@roberthcampbelljr3517

Жыл бұрын

Stop saying "this isn't mine". What are you so afraid of?

@roberthcampbelljr3517

Жыл бұрын

I'm officially exposing you. These are ALL your ideas, thoughts and statements. You can't hide in obscurity anymore. Now the entire world knows.

@marcdc6809

11 ай бұрын

imagine, the alternative to Eternal Torture is eternity in the presence of the psychopath that designed that place of eternal torture...

@jameshogan6142

10 ай бұрын

A priest one time carried out an exorcism on a possessed person. As the demon was driven out the priest said to him Go to hell created for you by God. The demon replied. God didn't create hell. We demons did.@@marcdc6809

@lysanderofsparta3708

14 күн бұрын

@@marcdc6809 That's ridiculous. It amazes me the sheer nonsense you clowns come up with.

I'm a Christian, and I want to hear more. I think this is great. One thing we all want is the truth. I won't sit here and say, "I know the answer" to everything. Something is definitely off. Especially when it comes to the healing theatrics and demon deliverance sermons. It looks stupid!!!! And it's embarrassing when these wackos fall all over each other, screaming and fish flopping on the ground. It's so fake!!!! I get nervous even writing this but it's my true thought.

@FamilyIsGone

Жыл бұрын

Hi I experience supernatural evil in my life but those sermons are fake they're for selling out fear to people no one knows much about the occult except witches pastors can't even outcast demons if they tried

@Gods-bad-boy

Жыл бұрын

@New Creature Questioning the faith. This is heavy stuff

@Gods-bad-boy

Жыл бұрын

@New Creature I'm not off path. I'm using the mind God gave me. I've spent the the last two days talking with believers as a non-believer, and its a mess. If God is not the God of confusion why am I confused? I still believe in Christ and faith in the redemption God set up for us. But the American church is wack. I've seen many believers talk to athiest as if they were the bad guy in a comic book. We call them devils tell them they love the dark when they are just asking questions.

@Gods-bad-boy

Жыл бұрын

@New Creature Yes, but I think all of us, definitely including myself, have done a horrible job of representing ourselves. Going out and yelling at people, "You are going to hell," and calling it love never sat well with me. We believe in that as a truth, but they don't. I'm a recovering addict and even in AA or any other 12-step program, we draw people in by attraction, not damn nation. When we have people putting on these theatrical Holy Spirit healings, it looks ridiculous. Well, if you're outside the church looking in, it's confusing and frankly its weird. They can sense the BS, but we still yell at them about hell. Thats just 2+2=4. t's all over place. No wonder they stay clear and make jokes. It's not persecution. It's us acting.

@chrissonofpear1384

Жыл бұрын

@@Gods-bad-boy I thank you for you keen observations. I hope they bear interesting fruit - one way, or the other? I myself, find some of the pamphlets that basically start out their pitch with 'you can be exempted' on the cover, to be one of the most awkward. And also tending, to be quite light, on backstory, too.

Another very thoughtful video filled with great rational analogies (on your part anyway 😊). Keep up the good work.

Just discovered your channel and I'm so glad you came to YT! I never go on TikTok, so I was missing out. A lot of what you describe in your vids is exactly what I felt and realized when Instatyed reading the Bible and questioning everything for myself. I could never have explained it as succinctly as you, so thanks!

I've said the same thing so many times, as soon as you allow yourself to question christianity, it all falls apart. And that's why they push so hard that "without faith you can't please God." And "we just aren't meant to know God's ways." It appeals to our laziness, giving us an an excuse to stop thinking. To take the easy way out and just accept what you're told. I just wish I would have realized these things much earlier in life. Good on you for putting this information out there.

@harrisontaylor3751

Жыл бұрын

You will regret believing these lies when you are standing before God.

@crushem77

Жыл бұрын

@@harrisontaylor3751 and Santa won't bring me any presents either.

@chrissonofpear1384

11 ай бұрын

@@harrisontaylor3751 Ah, you mean like how Satan got to stand before this god, and talk errant nonsense about Job - despite that his view should have counted for no real thing, nor his privilege, to revisit heaven, at time? Post exile... And things cannot be a lie if people actually see things, that way, I feel.

@avishevin3353

11 ай бұрын

@@harrisontaylor3751 To please the Christian god, I'd have to become a hateful sadist. I'll pass. If he wants to prove that he's a hateful sadist after I die, whatever.

@marcdc6809

11 ай бұрын

that's why Pascal's wager is so futile, if you bear false witness by telling that you believe you're basically sinning on another crime from the list...

This isn't mine: Theist: God doesn't send you to Hell, you do. Atheist: Who created Hell? Theist: God, of course. Atheist: Does God control the rules for who goes to Hell? Theist: Yeah. Atheist: Then who's sending me to Hell according to your beliefs? Theist: You.

@timmyholland8510

Жыл бұрын

You are separated from God. If you die in that shape, you fall into Hades. You feel better now!

@kenruppert8825

11 ай бұрын

@obsessed_zendaya_fantatic9921 You play a game invented by Tom. The rules of the game were designed by Tom. You make a bad play or fail to abide by the rules and you are eliminated or disqualified. YOU'RE to blame, not Tom.

@RonHightower945

10 ай бұрын

Jesus - I am here, knocking on your door, open it so I can save you. Person- Save me from what? Jesus - To save you from what I am going to do to you if you don't open the door.

@timmyholland8510

10 ай бұрын

@@RonHightower945 Knocking on a door was something said about one of the Churches, the seven Churches of Revelation. Individuals are drawn by the Spirit, through the word of God. Some Baptists calls it the irresistible Grace ( favor) of God.

@RonHightower945

10 ай бұрын

@@timmyholland8510 okay... cool?

You have explained this so clearly, thank you.

I really appreciate you and what you do. Thank you for everything, I think you do a really good job of doing this the way that it needs to be done.

I appreciate your calm, articulate, logical way of explaining these things. :)

@harrisontaylor3751

Жыл бұрын

How is this logical?

@vadouis-rt3of

6 ай бұрын

Yes, and even Satan and his demons can disguise themselves as angels of light.

I remember when I first heard this type of argument: "its not god who does it, its you"... these whole brainwashing thought controlling mechanisms seep into normal life. People will try to tell you they don't, but they do! It teaches people how to detach themselves from responsibility and truth.

What stands out is Kristi’s empathy & compassion. Kristi is like a Mom that gives Bear Hugs. Trucker hat man is actually supposed to be radiating like Kristi. But he is not.

@KARENboomboomROXX

10 ай бұрын

I completely agree and noticed this as well. He's plastic

I love you kristi the way you go into detail is very reassuring for me since I still doubt myself. Thank you you’re doing a great thing. 💘

@2fast2block

11 ай бұрын

Kristi is nothing much. See....What Does the Bible Say About Hell? (Part 1 of 2)....by Spirit and Truth.

@EnglishMike

11 ай бұрын

@@2fast2block She's already 1000 times more the person than you will ever be. Maybe it's time you rethink your life.

I'm glad you addressed that guy, all he does is give Christian deception cookie cutter answers. He's not actually thinking about what he's saying. Going to hell is not a just punishment, punishment has to do with correction, having someone burn forever in hell is nothing more than satisfying your own vengeance with hatred, and that's not God. I also like how this guy says that hell is the just punishment for sin, and that Jesus took our punishment for sin, that would mean Jesus would have had to been sent to hell for forever like we would have, and that didn't happen.

@daviniarobbins9298

Жыл бұрын

Anyway you cut it Cain has been suffering much longer than Hitler. Not a just punishment. Cain murdered just one man, Hitler murdered millions.

@tnyeh

Жыл бұрын

You do not understand who you are talking about, Jesus was not a ordinary man. He was life itself. His death upon the cross had the reverse effect as it would have been for us. God cannot die, but as a man he can pay the penalty of our sin. Which the Bible says the wages of sin is death. And that is not just physical death, but spiritual which is the second death. Jesus cried upon the cross, Father why have you forsaken me.

@4um360

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@daviniarobbins9298 do you have independent knowledge of that, or is it something you believe?

@4um360

Жыл бұрын

@@tnyeh if Jesus gave his life for your sins, does it still count if he decided to live again?

@tnyeh

Жыл бұрын

@@4um360 Yes, that is the resurrection, or more bluntly our resurrection. Jesus said I have power to lay down my life and I have power to take it again.

hell as a concept is immoral and thus evil. There are no two ways about it. Once you break down hell you quickly realize hell is not about punishment but vengeance. There is nothing constructive with hell, you don't come out of hell a better person as it never ends. Hell isn't about disciple correction or redemption again since it never ends.

Nice video. Everything you said could be easily thought of by someone who actually wanted the truth, but sometimes people just need to hear it spoken. I’ll check out some of your other videos.

Good stuff! Well said!!!!

Red Pen confidently confirms his listeners bias. Just like every other apologist ever. The listeners don't have to do any thinking.

@bodan1196

Жыл бұрын

True. "Learn the liturgy by heart, so you don't have to think. Thinking can lead to sin."

@tonybuck1225

Жыл бұрын

He wants to preach Truth, not Falsehood. He wants his listeners to go to Heaven, not Hell. How is any of that wrong ?

@samuelk8915

Жыл бұрын

Lol theologist have studied the idea of atonement since the beginning of Christianity. You atheists know it all 😂

@mariobethell3731

Жыл бұрын

​@@tonybuck1225 Religion ends where knowledge begins, my friend. Therefore, where knowledge exist, there is clearity and no need for faith, speculations or assumptions such as religion has. Do you think there are so many religions because of knowledge or because of faith and assumptions?

@tonybuck1225

Жыл бұрын

@@mariobethell3731 There are no speculations or assumptions in the Bible. God asks for our trust - which is what faith very largely is. Hence there is no cut and dried proof of any religion. If there were, faith wouldn't be necessary or a virtue. You must choose which religion to believe - or none at all. But it's a matter of faith, whatever choice you make. The same is true of Science - you belive in the laws of science on trust; you've never tried to prove them. The same Is true of History - you don't know that Napoleon ever existed. You place faith in the historians.

This is so good, well said and makes sense. I'm loving your videos Kristi. Each one is so well thought out and clearly delivered. I'm well out of the church scene now days. But it's always great to be reminded why. And you do it it perfectly. Keep em coming. Thank you.

@PH2554

Жыл бұрын

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Love your arguments. Your purpose is to enlighten ignorant people from all faiths.

More amazing food for thought. Thank you.

Bottom line: "Sending yourself to hell" is nowhere to be found in the bible. It's a modern-day Christian invention, a manufactured ad hoc meme to avoid being confronted with the fact that their god is pure evil.

@tonybuck1225

Жыл бұрын

"God wants everyone to be saved" (1Timothy) Of course if God was evil, or even harsh, we would already be in Hell.

@pwoods100

Жыл бұрын

@@tonybuck1225 That's just stupid. I'm sorry to sound so harsh, but that very belief deserves ridicule. So your god is considered good because he's going to put us through the grinder here on earth to see who would actually believe in him - and those who don't still go to eternal damnation? For what? Sins that I was born with without my knowledge? Either way you slice it your god is abysmal and a complete whacko.

@michaelm3363

Жыл бұрын

@@tonybuck1225Do you not believe that hell is a harsh punishment?

@janglandis773

Жыл бұрын

@@tonybuck1225 don't choke on those cherry pits

@MyContext

Жыл бұрын

@@tonybuck1225 ["God wants everyone to be saved" (1Timothy)] Are you claiming that your God concept is NOT omnipotent and/or NOT omniscient? Why? If one has the capability and knowledge to achieve what one wants, then such should be the outcome.

As a Christian, I love watching your content, because I too want a logical outlook and find many of the traditional views and arguments illogical and self-contradictory. I'm not an atheist, but I'm trying to figure out the truth. So many beliefs aren't built on valid logical arguments. This doesn't automatically make them false, but if they are true, they need to be supported by better arguments. Many of them I too am dissatisfied with. Ever since fundamentalism, American Christianity has been intellectually impoverished.

@kristinestout1170

Жыл бұрын

I would recommend "A Course in Miracles". The best way to describe it is it's a mind training program. It helps you "deconstruct ", as Kristie puts it. Unlearn the garbage, relearn (remember?) truth. I found it after I left the church, and it's changing my life.

@alexwhite2330

10 ай бұрын

I have questioned things a thousand times over, so I hear you. Might I encourage you, though? With everything in your power, RUN from this channel and don't look back until you get all the answers you need. Kristi has an EMBARRASSINGLY low understanding of scripture. I've watched about 3 or 4 of her videos and it's almost like she gets worse every time! If you have questions, PLEASE don't look here for the answers. She is NOT the one. In fact, MOST atheists don't have a good grasp of scripture. I would say, try a channel with a person that has "Dr." I front of their name or ANYbody, except Kristie! Here's a list of a few people I know of: Allen Parr Corey Minor Saiko Woods Andy Woods (Sugarland) R.C. Sproul (Ligioner) John MacArthur Voddie Baucham Dr. Michael Heiser Dr. Michael Brown Melissa Dougherty Mike Winger Tony Evans These are all Christians, but I wouldn't go to ATHEISTS for "answers." I love to talk to them to get their perspective and listen to their concerns, but NEVER to help me understand the Bible. One

@Julian0101

10 ай бұрын

​​​​​​@@alexwhite2330 "Dr" Mike winger 😂😂🤣🤣 Yeah... This my friend is called confirmation bias, and is exactly the reason why listening to people like Kristie is so helpful. The fact that a few supposedly wrong answers (that you cannot prove are wrong) puts you in such state of emergency of appealing to an echo chambear, is quite telling. People like you is why christianity has been on decline, hearing the old 'dont listen to others because i have the true' is a sure way of damaging any credibility.

@phoebelyngonzales3899

10 ай бұрын

As a Christian you know well that there is Godly wisdom and worldly wisdom. If your heart motive in seeking the truth is for God's glory, He will teach you.

@NebulaGamesInc

7 ай бұрын

@Dave-nh2tg I added this comment to the video, but just in case you don't see it....here is one thinking Christian's summary/rebuttal of the points mentioned. God possesses the attributes of perfect justice and perfect mercy among other things. But perfect justice requires punishment for every crime committed no matter how small and perfect mercy requires one to not punish any crime no matter how big. While these two attributes seem contradictory they are not when we look at it from God's perspective which He revealed to us in the Bible (otherwise we couldn't possibly fathom the mind of God). All Christian beliefs have this common pillar of the faith which is the substitutive power of Jesus's death as payment for our sins. So while there are countless denominations, none of them that claim to be Christian can deny that Jesus is the payment for our sins. Now, how does this make sense? How is it just that an "innocent" bystander (which Jesus is not a random bystander FYI) takes the place of the criminals? Well it isn't "just". It is God's display of His perfect mercy that He allows Jesus to step in for humans. If this analogy were to be more appropriate, the Judge in His desire to be both perfectly merciful AND just chooses to be merciful to the criminals and to satisfy His desire for justice, He steps down from the judgement seat and takes the place of the criminals and sentences Himself to the punishment meant for the criminals. So His mercy is satisfied in letting the criminals go and His justice is satisfied in that every crime is punished and He bears the punishment. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. So every sin is paid for by "death", not hell. This is why the Israelites had to sacrifice animals for the cleansing of sins in the Old Testament. Thus, God pays Himself the sentence of death for every sin committed by humans. And God dies for those sins. But God being eternal, His human death becomes an eternal "death payment" if you will. Killing the immortal God is how one "person" can pay for all the sins. This is why Jesus is both God and Man. God because He is eternal and man so that He could suffer death as payment. So, in a round about way, God has basically created what appears to be from our viewpoint a "loophole" where He is able to say He is perfectly just and perfectly merciful at the same time. Hell, is where He sentences you if you choose to not accept Jesus's payment for your sin. Then yes, you "pay your own way" and that means eternal death. And since you committed a crime against a being who is eternal, your crime while to you may exist only in a finite point in time, to the eternal being you committed this crime against there is no "time", it is an ever present crime which has to be "constantly" paid for and since you are not an eternal being, your death isn't enough. Thus, you exist in "eternal" death, also know as hell.

Lady, I wish you and youtube were around some 50 years ago when I was struggling with these issues. But I am glad you are here now for others

@theodoreritola7641

3 ай бұрын

There is a way that seems right, but THE END IS THERE DISTRUCTION Satan has you spiritually blinded, and you don't even see your fate without his son the LORD JESUS CHRIST

@Cuffsmaster

3 ай бұрын

@reritola7641 "the end .. disstruction .. satan .. blinded .. lord JC" You live in dream you can't prove but it is funny The brainwashing worded on you sadly. Prove the supernatural events of the bible are real Be the first person to ever do that

Outstanding Kristi Burke! My process of deconstruction happened a long time ago by just being more curious and aware of the process of cultural conditioning in our society. The mass psychosis is the indoctrination by our culture at such an early age that makes it easier to sell without challenge. Shame on adults who never figure it out as it is just easier to not challenge the ignorance of the status quo. This false sense of security thru religion is like a drug to some but even the ones who are drifting to spirituality from an all out faith have a hard time cutting the chord from the irrational. Yes, a nonbeliever, agnostic, atheist or whatever you want to label one for figuring out this charade can have impeccable moral standards.

I had the same questions about hell as a kid. It just didn't seem right, what about people who never heard about the bible and going to hell. Even as a young guy it just felt messed up, because it is!

@sundayoliver3147

Жыл бұрын

@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 When we're kids, our minds are not so polluted by what our society says we should think and feel. It's not a critique; it's an observation of an experience this person had. It rang true for them. If it doesn't ring true for you, that's your own business. What does ring true for you?

@desireedebellis6766

Жыл бұрын

@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 why do you come here EVERY DAY hinging on her every word,,if as you say,,she is easily debunked.. Wouldnt that get boring ?? Maybe you are lusting after her and even if it was to discredit her, NO ONE ever likes or appreciates your comments. You are one heck of a Narcissist,, thinking yourself to be so much clever 'or than you are., maybe you should find a new outlet (make your own videos since you have so much to say and see how well that goes for you)

@FamilyIsGone

Жыл бұрын

​@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 scammer you are like paul

@savedbygrace8337

11 ай бұрын

Hebrews 11:6 “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

@spider-man9118

11 ай бұрын

who said they went to hell? God is just, if they haven't heard of the gospel, then they might be spared. i don't know what happens, but we can always hope for the best hell is for the devil and his squad Also, we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested

So glad I found this. I've never heard anyone break down why Jesus taking on everyone's sins isn't justice. You did it so well and it makes so much sense

@razony

10 ай бұрын

Yes!

@AgeismGoesBothWays

10 ай бұрын

Someone else taking the punishment for another person makes no sense.

@razony

10 ай бұрын

@@AgeismGoesBothWays It made sense to the people of that time that didn't have a whole lot of sense. Unfortunately, there's still a lot of people who don't have much sense to think for themselves. Kristi is one that can and does and the rest of us Ex-Christians.

@alexwhite2330

10 ай бұрын

No... what she said DOESN'T make sense. She compared Jesus to "a random stranger"...an "innocent bystander"...

@ExposingJWTeachings

10 ай бұрын

@@alexwhite2330You’re focused on the wrong thing. The point is, how could someone take the consequences of your actions? And to add, we still have to pay the price if we don’t live a certain way so…

Huge fan of your TikTok vids and now your YT vids. Glad to see you're gaining traction and a following. The breakdown you did was superb. It really baffles me that seemingly intelligent and supposedly compassionate people adopt and excuse this utterly asinine reasoning. Outside of Christianity, if anyone explained to you a penal system where people are medically kept alive so they could be tortured indefinitely, even for the most innocuous crimes, we'd intuitively know that would be sick and demented. Yet so many Christians not only believe it, but some even relish at the idea of that punishment being exacted on others. It's bonkers. 🤦🏿‍♂

I am learning more easily because I enjoy listening to how well you unpack these difficult topics with clarity. Glad I'm subscribed.

@jezebelvibes

10 ай бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

If God were real, I hope he would at least have the decency to at least look and feel ashamed and embarrassed before truth of Kristi's words.

@tonybuck1225

Жыл бұрын

Which aren't true, but misunderstandings; and reasonings that try to be clever, but aren't.

@MyContext

Жыл бұрын

@@tonybuck1225 What would you claim as being not true or unreasonable?

@MC-xq9md

Жыл бұрын

​@@tonybuck1225What did she misunderstand?

@van3363

Жыл бұрын

Remember it's the CHRISTIAN God, he's not the only God. Other religions around the world don't buy into this crap.

@Finckelstein

Жыл бұрын

@@van3363 All gods are man-made. There's no evidence for any of them. It's a control mechanism for the feeble minded.

I'm glad he admitted it. That's why I like your videos Kristi. You are getting some Christians to at least admit what they wouldn't before.

@AndJusticeForMe

Жыл бұрын

Good point. So many loving Christians conceal what they truly feel about their fellow human beings.

@echoofthevoiceinthewildern3008

Жыл бұрын

Hi friends The mark of the beast is coming You can see the leaders bringing the way to control the buying and selling And the day will come where you will worship the devil on Sunday with the false Christian faith Because church and state will unite to control human behavior Time is short, and if we all keep on the path we're on, we're all going into captivity And then Jesus will give you what you desire If we want to run with the devil, then the devil is who will become your God

@echoofthevoiceinthewildern3008

Жыл бұрын

Also, Jesus created the lake of fire for the devil and his angels Hell was not created for mankind You have the right to salvation The devil has no right to salvation Jesus died for you Not for the devil You can spit in Jesus' face You can call him the worst names And he'll love you until the end which you decide to choose Jesus loves you so much he respects your wishes See, hell is the grave. This is what is eternal The grave has no life The lake of fire is not eternal The lake of fire makes one pay for their own sins we committed in this world Jesus wants to take this fate from you Jesus suffered in your place if you decide to accept him and his truths Have you ever been rejected by someone you found interesting? Jesus finds you and me interesting, and he wants a relationship with all of us, Jesus is in the business to give life The devil is in the business to take life Whatever decession you choose, life or death, Jesus will respect your wishes You decide death rather than life with him for eternity Then this life will be the only life you will live Basically, make the best of it as you can They say when most people face death, the body does all it can to keep that individual alive, If someone was trying to take your life here on earth You would fight back to stay alive Even a dog would fight back to have life So if love life, then choose Jesus But if you hate life, stay on the path you're on Those are the two choices we are given No life in the hell, fire or in the grave Basically, it like it was before you were born, What was life before you were born ? You didn't exist

@AndJusticeForMe

Жыл бұрын

@@echoofthevoiceinthewildern3008 So many Christian denominations disagree with your very long screed. Can you guys have a conference and iron out your beliefs? Then, I’ll give it a thorough review.

@AndJusticeForMe

Жыл бұрын

@@tech-centralusa9671 Maybe you can write Harry Potter passages in rebuttal. We can recite fantasy stories too.

Just found your channel....Refreshing and so much logic ..thank you

Excellent video as always 👌

Not only is the speed limit not clearly posted. In Christianity, there are at least five different speed limits at the same location.

How can infinite punishment for finite sins be just? It can't because we will always eventually reach a point where the punishment surpasses the crimes committed.

@galens2543

Жыл бұрын

How about infinite forgiveness just for believing? How is this just? It’s almost like this whole game is about power and money…

@rhrrtt

Жыл бұрын

@@galens2543 ... while a lifetime spent in the selfless service of others counts for nothing at all!

@galens2543

Жыл бұрын

@@rhrrtt Agreed. I’ll live a good life, helping to elevate others, under my own terms and be confident in that. That will be enough for any reasonable deity.

@rhrrtt

Жыл бұрын

@@galens2543 Yes ... and an unreasonable deity will pretty much do whatever he wants anyway, regardless of any promises he might have made.

@schaekker7411

Жыл бұрын

the "atonement" that xtians say was fulfilled through geesus . . . . . is fake!! he did NOT take eternal punishment!! There IS no "lamb" being punished right now as we speak!! all geesus did was lose 1 weekend. & even then there's so much about his "supposed" death & resurrection that is simply just fabricated & conjured up. There is literally zero proof of any of those events that xtians claim took place. & even still . . . xtians say that it was 3 days & 3 nights . . . . . uh . . . . . No it wasn't!! Even their own book says it wasn't 3 days & 3 nights. The xtian story is fabricated , conjured up , mangled & butchered Walk away from it

You rock my socks Kristi! Thank you! Thinking of starting a channel called Justice for Job! 😅

If Heaven is such a wonderful place, why does God have to add an additional punishment if you miss out on it? Why would God have to add Hell as a punishment? It's BS!

You're a smart cookie, Kristi and it's great that you overcame the propaganda and social pressures to see the reality behind the scam of religion. It's about control and the promotion of blind obedience... to other people. But the fact that you are helping others to see reality... that's pure gold and the world owes you endless gratitude for that.

@chuckm1961

11 ай бұрын

My friend, it's too bad that you are engaging in the same kind of black-and-white thinking you decry, as you toss all "religion" in the same trash bin. Have you fully explored EVERY religion in existence? The fact that fundamentalist Christianity is unsupportable bullshit says NOTHING at all that can be generalized to ALL religions.

@undrwatropium3724

10 ай бұрын

King Henry the eighth said religion is for peasants not royalty

@vadouis-rt3of

6 ай бұрын

@@undrwatropium3724 And that is in agreement with the Word of God...how?

@kenshiloh

5 ай бұрын

The words of Christ are not a scam. How dare you! You mock the words of eternal life, the only hope for the human race? What do you have to offer the world? Are you an atheist? If so, then you came from nothing and are going to nothing, but you have 'something' to say? I hope you will make this right with God before your day in court. God will judge the world in righteousness. Every lie, every treason, will be brought to light. Heaven is real, but so is hell. It won't bring the temperature down one degree simply because you don't believe. Christ died on a Cross because He loves you. He desires your friendship. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

@Beastt17

5 ай бұрын

@@kenshiloh , the scam is getting people to believe they have "the words of Christ". There's no such thing, Ken. Do you think the Bible quotes Jesus? Do you ACTUALLY think that? The Jesus character of the Bible spoke Aramaic, not English. And guess what? No one followed him around recording the things he said and did. Don't believe me? Try a Bible scholar with a Ph.D. in New Testament Studies! - "𝑆𝑡𝑖𝑙𝑙, 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑦𝑒𝑡 𝑓𝑢𝑟𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑢𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑒𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑤𝑒 𝑑𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒, 𝐼 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑒 𝑑𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑙𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝑏𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑦𝑜𝑛𝑒 - 𝑝𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑛, 𝐽𝑒𝑤, 𝑜𝑟 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 - 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑒𝑦𝑒𝑤𝑖𝑡𝑛𝑒𝑠𝑠, 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠 ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑑𝑖𝑑." -- 𝑩𝒂𝒓𝒕 𝑫. 𝑬𝒉𝒓𝒎𝒂𝒏 How does that grab you, Kenny? Not what your church is telling you? Hmmm, I wonder which one is collecting hundreds of billions of dollars each year telling their version. I wonder why NO ONE has been able to show Dr. Ehrman to be wrong. Do you think we have the writings of people who knew Jesus, heard Jesus speak, or at least saw Jesus? NAME ONE! We have... • Not one word written by Jesus • Not one word about Jesus from any witness • Not one word about Jesus written in the time of Jesus • Not even one credibly sourced reference to Jesus • No inscriptions to Jesus from the time of Jesus • No monuments to Jesus from the time of Jesus • No artifacts for Jesus from the time of Jesus Now, would you like to try again? I've read over 80-books on theology, many from highly accredited Bible scholars, mostly focused on Christianity. I've studied theology for more than 25-years and if what you've shown so far is an indication of what you can offer... I can "BIBLE" circles around you. Have a great day!

You are great! You are very logical in your analysis and your rebuttals are flawless. Keep it up, people are listening!

@vadouis-rt3of

6 ай бұрын

@fieldspring5329 Are you against God being merciful?

I really appreciate that you approach these topics with respect and clarity. It is easy to see that you have more genuine love for humanity than most christian leaders do. Like you, I can't possibly comprehend how the Bible can be God's infallible word. That doesn't mean, however, that I have to give up on love, respect or the belief in a higher power which we all must figure that out for ourselves. Thank you for your work. Humanity still has a lot of growing up to do, but it starts with just getting honest.

@rodbarrett1581

8 ай бұрын

I'm starting to think maybe God is indifferent with us. I am not speaking about the biblical God. There most certainly has to be " a" creator. I also believe in good and evil. Those forces or energies exist.

@kenshiloh

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You wrote, "I can't possibly comprehend how the Bible can be God's infallible word." Is it possible that God's Word is beyond your understanding? How smart does a person have to be to understand God? Yet, the basics are easy. God is good; we are not. Wicked people cannot enter into heaven, but will be cast outside with other wicked people. Hell is torment and it lasts forever. However, Christ loves you. He desires your friendship. If you reject Him, He will not pull you into heaven by your ears! If you reject Christ, you will spend forever without God and God is love. Eternity without love. Meditate on that thought for a while. Christ died on a Cross so that, just by asking, you may know Him. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

@jessicastephens9714

Ай бұрын

@@kenshiloh But wicked people can enter Heaven as long as they believe that Christ died for their sins.

@jessicastephens9714

Ай бұрын

@@kenshiloh "Hell is torment and it lasts forever. However, Christ loves you." Wow, the cognitive dissonance must be maddening for you.

@kenshiloh

Ай бұрын

@@jessicastephens9714 The word 'believe' has a deeper meaning than most Christians think. To believe on Jesus means that you follow His teachings. That is, He said that the Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him. It is a meeting with God. When a person is filled with the Holy Spirit, that is called being 'born again.' For example, when I was born the first time, it was with a sin nature. I was in trouble with the authorities and got into a ton of trouble. Then I met Christ and went from hanging out with the worst of people to making friends with solid gold saints. Most of all, I know Christ. My friend Mike was likewise really bad. For example, he led a riot in San Quinten prison. Even his mother had given up on him. Then one day, I told him about Christ and his life was miraculously changed. He is not the same person that he was. One time, he told me that he had a difficult time dealing with all the hurt and pain he had caused. Now, part of recovery is to make amends if you can, but Mike was still feeling rotten about it. I told him, "Do not worry. Justice has been served. You see, they took Mike's Savior and nailed Him to a Cross." Christ paid the penalty for the entire planet. Those in Christ are made brand new. I could give you a hundred stories of lives transformed, but I think you get the picture. I hope you will get to know Christ. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

Love the break you break it down 👍🏼👍🏼

Just today I was thinking about how the whole concept of hell makes no sense... How are you going to feel pain for eternity if the body (the one we know feels pain) stays in the physical world? We also know that third degree burns can damage the nerve endings that make you feel pain. If the soul also feels pain, how come we don't feel anything when we go under general anesthesia? Or is the pain of the soul activated when you die? And thus I went into a rabbit whole of thought 😂

@crazyprayingmantis5596

Жыл бұрын

If you asked these questions to a pastor he'd tell you you're thinking too much and it'll all make perfect sense in the end, you just have to have faith and stop thinking and being logical and asking hard questions 😂

@SaraHinata

Жыл бұрын

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 My husband is an agnostic atheist and he told me point blank _"you can't explain things that are in separate categories, therefore you can't explain fantasy with logic. According to the bible in the apocalypse when Jesus comes to reign the world, dead people will be resurrected (body and all) and then they will go to the judgement, so you're supposed to go to heaven and hell with your body"_ And I'm still here thinking... But our bodies decompose, how's *_that_* gonna work? 😂

@grahvis

Жыл бұрын

Heaven doesn't make any sense either. Probably why no believer can explain exactly what it will be like. All you get are useless platitudes.

@crazyprayingmantis5596

Жыл бұрын

@@SaraHinata You literally have to believe in MAGIC 🎩 ✨️ To believe religions nonsense

@SaraHinata

Жыл бұрын

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 once you go dark, you never come back! My brain is free to ask questions. There's no way for me to sit in a sermon without going through the motions in my head. That'll be tortuous 😂

You make far too much sense vis-à-vis Christian dogma and this other gentleman's explanation rings hollow. He's all sweetness and platitude but RedPenLogic's purported clarification is anything but logical. I'm a recent subscriber Kristi and my only complaint about your channel is that there aren't more of your wonderful videos to indulge. Keep up the great work!

@jezebelvibes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for your support 😊 a lot more videos to come!

@sblackfox

Жыл бұрын

Actually she is wrong everyone knows what is a moral law it in everyone heart just like you know when you lie it’s simple a next thing GOD don’t judge you if you don’t know what you was doing wrong the problem is this woman doesn’t understand or read the Bible

@Cain-gu5nq

Жыл бұрын

How is it possible written in your heart. Does your heart say it's immoral to own slaves? If so then it's in disagreement with the bible. So where is that moral coming from?

@shinwaramin8582

Жыл бұрын

@@sblackfox “If you expect respect from others, show it first to yourself. You can’t expect from others what you don’t give to yourself.”

@sblackfox

Жыл бұрын

@@Cain-gu5nq if you read history books you will find that those who had slaves knew what they were doing was wrong 😑 the only reason they kept doing it was because of money 💰

Thanks for the video :)

Just discovered you yesterday, and what you are saying throughout your videos really resonates with me, even though I'm a practicing catholic. Your Adam & Eve video was spot on and so good....that story always bothered me so much. Thanks so much for your thoughtful insights, keep them coming, love hearing a different take on all this. Really enjoying your channel so far

@2fast2block

11 ай бұрын

It's not thought out, it's all made up by Kristi. See....What Does the Bible Say About Hell? (Part 1 of 2)....by Spirit and Truth.

@undrwatropium3724

10 ай бұрын

​@@2fast2blockI form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things. [8] Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

@2fast2block

10 ай бұрын

@@undrwatropium3724 that does not go with 1 John 1:5, James 1:7 and others. The bible has about 212 figures of speech, one is the Idiom of Permission. God made all, Adam gave power he had to Lucifer and his angels. To be brief, look at Ex. 4:21, 7:3. It was Pharaoh though that did it to his OWN heart and the news Moses gave, God knew it would have that effect...Ex. 7:22, 8:15,19, 9:34, etc. You though don't like the truth.

@undrwatropium3724

10 ай бұрын

@@2fast2block 🏆 for the mental gymnastics

@2fast2block

10 ай бұрын

@@undrwatropium3724 NO, it was clear and it was clear your verse showed you don't know what you're talking about in light of how it was meant.

You dont have free will If you dont have a choice in the matter of believing or not And if you dont you will be punished Its like putting a piece of candy infront of a child and saying i will beat you if you take the candy and i will beat you if you dont and then say the child got a choice

@baseball_dude1363

Жыл бұрын

That’s like saying you don’t have a choice to shoot and rob a person. You can shoot him and go to prison, or you can make the right choice and not do it 🤷‍♂️

@grahvis

Жыл бұрын

​@@baseball_dude1363 . No, not the same thing. It would be more like a judge setting you up to commit a crime and just waiting for it to happen, so they can put you in prison.

@lindysvloglife

Жыл бұрын

@@grahvis It's called entrapment. Amazingly, our flawed human justice system is far more fair than this God of theirs. Weird, huh.

@Lerian_V

Жыл бұрын

@@lindysvloglife The mean Calvinist god. I'm Catholic, our understanding is different.

@lindysvloglife

Жыл бұрын

@@Lerian_V Nah. I've read the Old Testament, same hateful vengeful misogynist genocidal god figure that all the Abrahamic religions 'worship' no matter the label. I'll pass, thanks. And my point stands, no matter the label, it is the same god figure springing from the Old Testament that told his people to commit genocide, rape women and girls, etc etc etc., then presumes to pass judgement on the rest of us. You can cherry pick the bible all you want to, the rest of us see through the bs and hypocrisy.

"I form light and create darkness. I form good and create evil, I, the Lord do all these things" I forget which verse that is but its definitely worth reading

@Artman710

11 ай бұрын

I cited that to a christian and he called it blasphemy lol

@vadouis-rt3of

6 ай бұрын

He is creating the Law of Sowing and Reaping. If mankind sows evil, he will reap evil.

What gets me is how they say you can do the most horrible things imaginable and just ask for forgiveness and accept Jesus into your heart and all is forgiven. Or when the Catholics tell you to confess. Such BS!

Love all your stuff.

Great job with the content and presentation.

@jezebelvibes

Жыл бұрын

thank you!

He says we "choose" sin, but I thought we were born sinners? If we were born/made sinners than billions were made to go to hell without choice.

@bmak76

Жыл бұрын

And by not choosing salvation, you are choosing to remain dead in your sin. What’s not clear?

@Pfsif

Жыл бұрын

@@bmak76 What if I chose salvation then realized it's BS, does OSAS still stand?

@bmak76

Жыл бұрын

@@Pfsif You’re referring to blaspheming the Holy Spirit, and I would assume it does not. However I do believe you are always welcomed back if your heart ceases to be hardened against God. That’s a risky game to play though. Obviously I could be wrong. Also, the concept of “once saved, always saved” isn’t accepted by all Christians.

@Artman710

11 ай бұрын

@@bmak76 Crapola

@irrelevant_noob

11 ай бұрын

@@bmak76 why should anyone care what you "would assume"? Also, what's clear about people who never GOT a chance to "choose" a salvation they never heard of?

Hi Kristi, love your videos! This person also made a video about how Christians are not "picking and choosing" which bible verse to follow. Would love to see you make a response to that video too. Keep it up!

You give such good examples ❤

This is a very good video. I'm glad I subscribed.

@harrisontaylor3751

Жыл бұрын

We won’t be glad on the Day of Judgement

@DannyS177

Жыл бұрын

@@harrisontaylor3751 I'm not worried about it. If the Christian's god is real (and that's a big "if"), then I have committed way less sin than God. I have never committed genocide, never owned slaves, never condoned incest, and never murdered anyone, but the Christian's god has done all of these things and more. So I think I will be fine.

its not a choice its a ultimatum. God gets too much credit but not enough blame. I enjoy these type of videos making christians look dumb . keep them coming

@crazyprayingmantis5596

Жыл бұрын

If I hold a gun to your head and ask you nicely for your wallet but you refuse so I pull the trigger, you killed yourself for not choosing to give me your wallet. Christian logic

@MyContext

Жыл бұрын

The real charm in her presentation is the decency and respect she projects in the process of the review.

@FamilyIsGone

Жыл бұрын

They believe 1+1 is -3 lol, though I believe in God but I don't know who he Is because humanity has corrupted Bible and his books I still pray to God whoever my creator that Is because I experience the supernatural evils

@bradleymosman8325

Жыл бұрын

Enjoying seeing other people look dumb is a mean-spirited form of behavior. However, if you don't like dumb Christians, what must you think of road rage, mass school shootings, meth addiction, and domestic abuse?

@jameshogan6142

10 ай бұрын

There is an element of choice though. If people do not want to go to heaven and spend eternity with God then you must respect their decision. If you put them in heaven against their will they would not be happy,

I'm a English learner, the content of your Chanel is very good and interesting, I'll use it to improve my comprehension. ❤

Thank you for pushing back... we will all push back together with you! Your freeing people everyday

Excellent point. If Christians really believed that and wanted the fewest people in hell, then they would have to let Christianity die out. However, to do that they would have to disobey the bible's commandments to go out and preach the gospel, thereby condemning themselves to hell.

@Finckelstein

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the most loving thing a parent could do to their infant - according to the bible - would be to end their lives. Skip the tribulations of earth and go straight to heaven. Amazing, isn't it?

@theharshtruthoutthere

Жыл бұрын

@@Finckelstein BIBLE is the only book which: heals, guides, judge, warns, helps. Bible guides souls out from Babylon. Bible helps to let go from Babylonian entertainments. Bible helps us see, what has value. Bible fills souls with knowledge, with peace. Bible clears out future, for both, for the saved and for the lost. Bible gives us stories from which to learn, and through which GOD warns us, the generations lived after. Don+t stay muslim, catholic, Hindu, new ager, atheists, ignorant, satanic, Mormons, dont be a thief and a robber. John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. Religions are masonic lies, false ways into heaven which masons have made. Follow not nor believe masons, who give you lies after lies. Seek out CHRIST, follow HIM and leave lies behind and your old life in the BABYLON: Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

@harrisontaylor3751

Жыл бұрын

That’s not how sin works.

@pdav1285

Жыл бұрын

@harrisontaylor3751 So explain to me, please, how sin works. I've never understood the concept that I must follow what some ancient deity says is good or bad. Even if he was real, he would be an absentee father. He seems to strangely interact with humans less and less as our ability to detect him increases more and more. And I want my morality to be based on evaluating choices based on its effect on sentient beings. I think if you are only blindly following some dictate from a god to be much less moral then if you are actually engaged in seeking and evaluating what are the best actions for mankind.

@chadrasmussen1154

3 ай бұрын

How do you know there is a hell

As the fair lass said at the end, it's not about sin or evil being "justly" punished at all, as Red Pen guy claims. It's purely about what a person believes, and how they believe (which or course varies from one Christian denomination to another) that determines whether or not God throws them into hell. A human monster who comes to believe In Jesus on their deathbed will go to heaven, while a perfectly kind and lovely person who doesn't believe will suffer eternal punishment. Nothing just about it.

@tonybuck1225

Жыл бұрын

God is compassion. Therefore a kind person DOES believe in Jesus Christ in their soul, even if not in their head. God judges our souls, not our minds. Beside, Hell will never admit a kind person - it would the End of Hell if they did. The damned are totally, stubbornly and eternally unkind.

@tonybuck1225

Жыл бұрын

The monster who repents and believes in Jesus, ceases to be a monster when, and by, doing so.

@c.a.t.732

Жыл бұрын

@@tonybuck1225 An terrible person "who repents and believes in Jesus" doesn't necessarily thereby become a good person. Maybe they just believe (as Christians say) that if they make an act of repentance and believe hard enough they will escape punishment, while not really changing at all.

@c.a.t.732

Жыл бұрын

@@tonybuck1225 I've known lots of very kind people who I assure you didn't believe in Jesus in their head or in their soul. I've also known many truly awful people who were true believers. If you were honest with yourself, I'm sure you've experienced the same thing in your life. Sorry, but your assertions are absurd.

@shaqyardie8105

Жыл бұрын

@@tonybuck1225 Ok, I want evidence that god, heaven, hell and souls are real outside of your man made book or I don't believe you?

Well reasoned. Subbed. Keep up the good work!

Like your content, you explain your reasoning very well, I have thought the same thoughts for a long time over many of the same things you go over. Great video and hope you do more new stuff soon

If there was a God why wouldn’t he clear up all this confusion instead of letting people pull a random answer out their butt on his behalf. God could easily visit every human being once they reach a certain age and explain to them exactly what the situation is.

@jezebelvibes

Жыл бұрын

good point!

@tomrhodes1629

Жыл бұрын

Ask and it is given. "The Book of GOD" can be read in 5 minutes and yet reveals ALL major mysteries! And as for Hell...you're soaking in it! Hell is LIMITATION and SEPARATION, which is your current experience. But the "GOOD NEWS" is that this is temporary, and everyone will return to our natural LIMITLESS condition. "GOD our Savior...will have all men (and women) to be saved and come unto knowledge of the truth." (1Timothy 2:3-4) You don't have any reason to believe this, so you shouldn't. But I am the prophesied return of the biblical prophet Elijah. Kristi is correct that orthodox Christianity doesn't make sense. Yeshua's message has been entirely corrupted to the point that most Christian churches teach a "gospel" that is extremely BAD news! Guilt-based FEAR is your only enemy. The Truth is simple and makes perfect sense. And I have it. Click and ye shall find. (You can reach me via my site.)

@AndJusticeForMe

Жыл бұрын

So hard to achieve since he’s nonexistent.

@tonybuck1225

Жыл бұрын

God does visit everyone - it's called one's conscience. We all have one.

@tonybuck1225

Жыл бұрын

@@AndJusticeForMe If God were non-existent, the universe would be too.

I'm an ExMuslim and have been watching your content on TikTok for a while. I can relate so much to your criticisms of Christianity with my views on Islam and especially this paticular video. Thank you for making this KZread Channel! 💯

I was just about to search for the video on justice or grace when you said ''i'll link it below'' nice one x

Great job!!!😉👍

Absolutely love your content!! I deconstructed over a year ago. You’re putting voice to the very thoughts I’ve had on Christianity and religion as a whole.

@jezebelvibes

Жыл бұрын

🫶

@miguelmoraldo4263

5 ай бұрын

@jezebelvibes your videos are well needed, so much misinformation out there and it's becoming more important for people take the time to really analyze why they believe things

You always articulate so well Kristi. Fantastically, explained!

YOUR A GENIUS! THANK YOU💯💯💯

Good video. I believe you nailed it!!! "We, humans, DO NOT TORTURE OUR PRISONERS IN JAIL!!!"

"What am I afraid of? Whom did I betray? In what medieval kingdom does justice work this way?" David Bazan

It's made worse by the fact that some of the "sins" that are deemed worthy of eternal torture are not anything any rational person could consider morally wrong at all. Two enthusiastically-consenting single adults having sex, for example. Choosing the "wrong" religion to follow. Eating pork products. Eating any meat except fish on a Friday. Eating meat period. Using contraception. Supporting LGBT+ rights. Being LGBT+. There are lots of loopy rules that various denominations claim will result in eternal torture in the afterlife.

@aussie405

11 ай бұрын

Working on the Sabbath.... not honouring your father and mother... wonder how many of these people have ever wanted (covetted) something someone else owns? They will all be eternally punished... apparently

@yigit-nh2vn

14 күн бұрын

​@@aussie405 sad. plain sad.

Excellent video!! Towards the end you brought up that essentially the only crime judged by God is the one of not worshipping him. I've had discussions with fanatics on social media and bring up that according to this doctrine Jeffery Dahmer is in heaven while his victims are being tortured forever in Hell, which I find abhorrent

I'm so glad I found your videos, you're a wonderful person and I needed to hear these words through someone other than myself

Appeal to emotion, or argumentum ad passiones, is an informal fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence. An appeal to fear also known as fear-mongering, (argumentum ad metum or argumentum in terrorem), is a fallacy in which a person attempts to create support for an idea by attempting to increase fear towards an alternative. An appeal to fear is a common tactic in religions, marketing, politics, and media.

@j919or

Жыл бұрын

join us here to shred these communist manipulators

It's worse than that. A devout Orthodox Jew that never sinned is still "stained" by original sin and damned to hell while a Christian child murderer that repents and asks forgiveness goes to heaven. How is that a just system? I'd be pissed if I actually believed any of it.

I absolutely love how well you describe these things! You make so much sense I wish everyone could hear you and could actually think clearly and understand in depth. It’s just so crazy to me that I thought with all my heart I thought god was real. It’s crazy because I grew up being told that god was real and everyone I know and knew believe in him. Some are smart and educated but never really think in depth of these things!

@zainmalik9666

2 ай бұрын

Her entire argument is applying todays societal norms to debunk the bible as if god needs to comply with those norms💀

At first I thought these videos were reconversion conversion therapy but I was wrong really like your substance and the way you express yourself 👍

Excellent video. You are a refreahing and clear new voice.

@jezebelvibes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

What does Hell accomplish anyway? There's a finality to it as once you're there you can never leave. You're there just suffer forever and ever in the most horrible torment you can imagine. What is the purpose of this? Is it to make God feel better? Is sending somebody there really the actions of something that is supposed to be the ultimate being of benevolence?

@jezebelvibes

Жыл бұрын

all fantastic questions

@rhrrtt

Жыл бұрын

Sounds more like the ultimate saddist than the ultimate being of benevolence.

Loving your analogies and analysis of scripture and belief.

Profound. Girl we need you

@zainmalik9666

2 ай бұрын

Her entire argument is applying todays societal norms to debunk the bible as if god needs to comply with those norms💀

The imagery of God as a judge that promises not to send you to prison as long as you shower praise and admiration on him turned my stomach. In real life, we find judges that take bribes to be reprehensible, but when God does it, this is perfectly just? Thank you so much for making these videos.

@west4Bmovement

11 ай бұрын

great point

@theboombody

11 ай бұрын

That imagery is incorrect. God clearly desires authenticity. He refused the sacrifices of the Israelites quite often because those sacrifices were given with insincere hearts. He even said he prefers someone to be cold to him rather than lukewarm. He can't stand lukewarmness. Fake Christians bother him much more than authentic atheists. Remember Jesus's #1 enemies were fake religious people.

@alexwhite2330

10 ай бұрын

The image you're describing is just incorrect.

@Julian0101

10 ай бұрын

The image you described is very correct.

@alexlink4623

10 ай бұрын

@@theboombody If Christianity needs "authenticity"; belief is not chosen; only felt; god is punishing people for something blatantly out of their control; that is a dictator/fascist/evil what have you.

Telling kids they are going to hell is cruel.

@srgoti8234

2 ай бұрын

Its called indoctrination and grooming

There is a LOT to chew on! You do a great job of dragging the issue of going to Hell into the light of day. For me, not believing in Hell was my first step toward non-belief. If the idea were not so terrifying I think many many MANY more people would see how silly the entire concept is. After watching the fatuous answers and condescending attitude of RedPenLogic, I know it even more surely.

Do a video on the “book of revelation” lmao. Break that down along with the whole “end times rapture”.

Don’t forget not only do you go to jail but all your kids do too.

@irrelevant_noob

11 ай бұрын

Up to the 3rd and/or 4th generation... This bit always seemed stupidly unjust to me.

Really enjoying your content, thanks Kristi. 🙂

@harrisontaylor3751

Жыл бұрын

You thank her for lying to you?

@willkenway

Жыл бұрын

@@harrisontaylor3751 I see her as open-minded, just requiring, you know, actual evidence.

You are brilliant!

@rubytuesday1316

10 ай бұрын

It's about time people like kristi speak out! The world is rising to higher vibrations !

@studiosandi

10 ай бұрын

@@rubytuesday1316 I totally agree it's about time people start speaking out but I don't know what you're talkin about mentioning vibrations. I don't think we need to jump out of Christianity and jump into some other woowoo mystical belief.

@rubytuesday1316

10 ай бұрын

@@studiosandi Good for you! Negativity, abuse, murder are certainly Not positive high vibration people. Sorry your bible didnt use or teach that term. Its certainly not woowoo. If so I'll stick to woowoo LOL

So few people are real thinkers, you are one of the few.

@zainmalik9666

2 ай бұрын

Her entire argument is applying todays societal norms to debunk the bible as if god needs to comply with those norms💀 “real thinker” lol sure

How to run a country in a totally just and compassionate and non-tyranical fashion: (Since you are so *JUST*) Declare that since everyone breaks some law at some point everyone is equally guitly and subject to punishment and that punishment will be torture and death (Since you are so *MERCIFUL*) Declare that anyone who swears absolute loyalty to you, above even their own family and loves you with all their heart and obeys you to the point of death will be forgiven.

Logic wins again! Excellent video!!

@jezebelvibes

Жыл бұрын

🫶

@baseball_dude1363

Жыл бұрын

lol so “logic wins again” but you believe the Big Bang theory 😂

@MyContext

Жыл бұрын

@@baseball_dude1363 I am assuming you don't accept the "Big Bang theory". So, what is wrong with the theory? Please note that acceptance or rejection of the "Big Bang theory" doesn't change the vacuousness of God claims.

@baseball_dude1363

Жыл бұрын

@@MyContext the theory is more far fetched then somebody being responsible for creating everything. The odds of the “big bang” happening and creating everything you know are in the hundreds of trillions (if not much more) most scientists say there is no God and the Big Bang is responsible, but they have no real evidence or documentation. That being said, at least historians and scholars (even if they’re an atheist) can tell Us that Christ existed.

@unoriginalclips9923

29 күн бұрын

@@baseball_dude1363I love the Big Bang theory it was made by a Catholic Priest to attest further to the glory of God.😅

this awesome girl is a true vision of what America looks like to me. love it, thanks Kristi

@vadouis-rt3of

6 ай бұрын

There is a way that seems right to a man but they are the ways of death. (Proverbs 14:12). A man may persuade himself that his easily besetting sin, evil dealings, false religion, and selfish way are right, but whatever is not God's way will end in death and hell.

I'm just curious. What does "hearing the word" or rejecting it mean in this day and age of computers, smartphones and the like? The other day I turned on my car radio and got a Christian station, so I changed to dial to something else. Does that mean I rejected the Word of God, and am I now to hell? Because I turned the radio dial and "rejected" the word of God being broadcast?