That first place car is impossible to catch sometimes even with perfect driving.

@freddiecunningham2860

10 ай бұрын

Get a faster car

@MartyKay

10 ай бұрын

AI is cheating.

@brandonamthor

9 ай бұрын

​@@freddiecunningham2860bro I literally fully upgraded my car and I still can't catch them at all. I have the best car in the series 835 overall rating and I'm being beat by cars that are 790 overall. That makes 0 sense

@brandonamthor

9 ай бұрын

Top 2 drivers will run 4 seconds faster than the entire field

@iliftbro413

8 ай бұрын

@@freddiecunningham2860you clearly don’t know shit about driving if you think a “faster” car is the solution

The AI is definitely faster and generally takes better lines than it used to. However they really seem to struggle traction loss and avoid it like the plague. So they seem to really struggle in cars where you need to slide it bit to get the most out of them. I noticed this is reflected in the PI system too, as it tends to weight handling upgrades heavier than speed upgrades. I found focusing on speed upgrades gave me quite the advantage on the AI.

@loganm2766

10 ай бұрын

I’m theorizing that the handling stat of the Porsche GT3 R is so much lower than other GTs because the PI system is based on how fast the AI can lap the car. And the Porsche might just be difficult for the AI to extract time out of it being a slidey car like you mentioned.

@luiscorchado3930

10 ай бұрын

I’ll follow your advise, thanks

@GeekyDolphin46

8 ай бұрын

Wait...some cares have to slide a bit to use them? I'm a gt7 player but been having a blast in Forza? Does this work on both games?

@ags911

4 ай бұрын

@@GeekyDolphin46you’ll have to test the theory

@GeekyDolphin46

4 ай бұрын

@@ags911 I already did

Like many others here, I am too a fan of other racing genre YTers. But a Devon review? You know it will be straight talk no BS all the way regardless what the topic is. Thanks Devon

I find at a certain difficulty level its impossible to get first place... whichever AI starts in first will finish in first... it breaks away from the pack, and then just runs perfect laps after that... There's no catching it.

They will maintain that pace till you get in front of them then they go stupid just like in FM7. The rubberbanding and extra horsepower they had in FM7 made them hard to catch but once you got by them they lose all their cheats.

@HyShAxX

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experience. It is exactly what I experienced as well

@ernestochang1744

10 ай бұрын

Bro this has been happening since way back, i would say fm6 even had some aspects of this where the first 3 people will always get ahead by such a large margin and they are impossible to catch so youre either stuck in 4th for the remainder of the race between 2 groups of cars the 3 up front and the tightly kept group 5thand beyond, what really pisses me off is how accurate this is, i play on difficulty 6/8 with AI and on every single race ive done i always always manage to get myself in a position where is neither good or bad, whatever the situation is it will play out exactly the same otherwise ill be in 2nd or 3rd place and 2nd place and 1st will be like miles ahead, how did they do it? Nobody knows

@lastcall170

9 ай бұрын

@@Robert_Drainmile Im placing first with every race once I pass a few AI. Its a joke.

@jamesmoore7858

7 ай бұрын

The rubber-banding is still in place. On the straights at Le Mans, you'll see them brake for no reason and still they are able to catch you by the end of it. In equal machinery, this should never be possible.

It reminds me a of Assetto Corsa's AIs. Fasters and challenging in high power and downforce vehicles like LMPs and F1 and much slower in vehicles like the MX-5 Cups cars.

@derpmaniak7823

10 ай бұрын

havent seen assetto corsa ai driving like wreckfest ai yet ngl.

@x-90

10 ай бұрын

So that’s why AC AI is so good in prototypes

They have better awareness and race with you better than fm7 but that isn’t a big achievement because fm7 was horrendous. But this game I was having fun in career mode AI are raceable and the fastest 3-5 cars are very fast in high difficulty

This video reminds me of the AI in Project Gotham Racing 2 for the original XBOX back in 2004; if you set it to easy you'll win by a few seconds but if you set it to the hardest then you have to be 95%+ clean for the entire race to be in with a chance; it's actually really good, tough but fair.

@logansinger2948

10 ай бұрын

I agree with you for the most part but I think the AI should have a higher ceiling. If the AI is ML based theres a good chance it improves over time. I think once you get really good the AI is pretty pointless.

Loving the content mate

@JustDevon

10 ай бұрын

Loving the comment mate

@syphe0

10 ай бұрын

Chris did mention the AI can be tweaked a lot, with the thousands of new players, they will likely have so much more data to learn from so hopefully we see some changes quickly.

I love how devon is kind to the AI and calls it them instead of... well it. But I know what he's up to. When the AI takes over, he thinks it'll spare him because he was so nice to it now. #engagementgang

@RACECAR

10 ай бұрын

He has no idea how the AI have already used the algorhythm to study him and attack while he is at his most generous. The poor fool.

@RRSmurf

10 ай бұрын

Devon playing 4d chess. AI playing "Extermination". Tragic 😂

@jamesp1389

10 ай бұрын

​@@RACECARhe bopping to a beat or what? Haha algorithm

I can tell you from my experience so far that unless it’s the top 3 bots, it’s the worst it’s ever been. Just rolling road blocks. It is SO BAD. Starting from last is infuriating.

@DirtyDan77

10 ай бұрын

Oh so basically the same

@mervunit

10 ай бұрын

yea you have to slingshot into at least 7th before turn 1 if starting from the back lol

@xxKURTMANxx

10 ай бұрын

@@mervunit bottom 15 is basically a flock of Latifis

@mervunit

10 ай бұрын

@@xxKURTMANxxI also love getting a half second penalty for getting punted off the track

@derpmaniak7823

10 ай бұрын

fucking wreckfest AI drives cleaner. It really is extremely bad.

I wonder if the game is doing a gt7 and intentionally throttling the ai based on where you are on track. In singleplayer you always seem to have 2 cars that just shoot away from you that you can't catch. However if you manage to catch 2nd and pass it they do seem to drop off a bit. So i wonder if running with 1 ai messes with this system and the ai is actually slower than it can be.

The AI got improved, no doubt about it, but still very far off from being perfect. At least now I know I can focus on old cars... 🙂

Ive had races where im well ahead of p3 but the ai in p1 is waiting at the line with a hot cup of tea by the time i get there. Had one series where i finished like 4th then next race lapped the slowest ai. Just really inconsistent.

I feel like I actually had better races with the AI in FM7. In FM8 I only seem to get 2 kinds of races, either the lead AI is like 1 second a lap faster than me and I'm 1 second a lap faster than 3rd place, or I'm 2+ seconds a lap faster than all of them. Either one, zero battling after the first half lap, and the rest of the race is just hotlapping.

@noncog1

10 ай бұрын

Ever since I turned it up to max difficulty it's been this. Typically comfortably (not far, but comfortably) ahead of p3, but p1 is just untouchable. It's not good racing, it's wishing I could catch up to the guy ahead while unbothered by the guys behind

I've given up with Builders Cup because of the AI. You can zoom past about 10 cars at each race start. Only the top 2 or 3 AI cars are a challenge, the rest will brake on straights and not very intelligent.

I literally cant ever beat the top 2 drivers. They are always driving a full 4 seconds faster than the rest of the field

Did a rain race at Spa yesterday and the AI seemed really slow, the gap was nearly 3 minutes by the time I finished the race.

@malikcisse2552

10 ай бұрын

How much u put on ai difficulty? Mine is 6 im on a wheel

@Graham6410

10 ай бұрын

@@malikcisse2552 mine is on 6 as well but on a standard Xbox controller, I forgot to mention that most of the AI had either stock tyres or softs for some reason.

But how do you know that you are not AI? Kaboom! How's this weather? WA rules when it's not winter.

depends on your settings, i've actually came in 1st in an online race using just Ai before, my mouth dropped.

They're also still absolutely incapable of identifying cars around them. Often driving off the track if bunched up into a corner. Its absolutely not what we were sold on this game.

Not played so my comments are from watching KZread. My initial thought was rubber banding in traffic. So, the front runners get to go clean while if you're in the pack your defending. If out front then rubber banding brings you back into the pack. So, with nothing going on around you or AI cars all OK. It's when racing a combination of rubber banding for cars behind to catch up and front runners getting away clean may be why the AI looks faster.

@NikoMoraKamu

10 ай бұрын

exactly. the ai runs awful in packs and get slowed and the faster ones go on the lead with their perfect traction and more power ai cheat and get away the mix make the ai looks better , but it's just the same

I completed a 30 lap race at spa in the BAC mono today against AI, looks like they are really bad at driving this car as I won the race with a gap to second place of 160 seconds, and thats with me pitting twice compared to the other cars that pitted once. They really look to struggle.

Be interested in a full race with them to see what their race pace is, race craft, etc. in Gran Turismo Sport they are so slow even in fastest mode. They’re quicker in GT7 but they slow down by a few seconds a lap after the first few laps.

How you enjoying the new Forza? Will you do a review of it?

Can you share how to make a multi-class race un free play? I've been struggling trying to create one.

Bro aren’t you one of the fastest Forza players in the world though? I’ve never watched your content before but I swear I’ve seen your name all over the top of past Forza game leaderboards. Or maybe I’ve downloaded your tunes. Regardless I’m almost positive I’ve interacted with your gamertag in Forza games before.

@noncog1

10 ай бұрын

He used to be quite fast in the past but wasn't as hard-core about it lately. Maybe he'll get back into it.

If it's truly a "machine-learning" AI, then in theory, the more AI you run in a particular class, the better they will get. Supposedly. And I keep wondering if each person has their own AI and if each AI learns at a different pace. My AI, for instance, has learned to "push to pass" by going into corners too hot, but bouncing off of you in order to make the corner. This doesn't even earn them a penalty. So if I'm going into a corner on the outside and side by side, I've learned to hesitate for just a moment as they go careening past and off into the shadow realm. It's quite frustrating. Also on a straight if you pull alongside, nearly every time they'll lunge sideways at you. I wish someone would teach my AI to avoid contact if at all possible. And I wish they'd teach the penalty system that if you get knocked off track from behind, the penalty should go on the offending car rather than the victim.

How you liking f8? So far im loving it..

@TimmyLittle-hy5mb

10 ай бұрын

You saying F8 reminds of the Ferrari F8 Tributo

@JustDevon

10 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, this game is a good change imo

There was a forza monthly in July 2023 that showed the same car and track combo (LMP at Maple Valley) with AI lapping the track 13 seconds faster than the AI in motorsport 7. Id like to see that demo replicated and see if that really was true. Doesnt seem like that AI is faster hype was really true.

@samueldiker

10 ай бұрын

I’ve heard the FM7 AI are way slower without cheating, but they cheat. On this Forza Motorsport they use fair physics.

On keyboard faster by 25 seconds, many races ai was everytime like 20 seconds slower

Definite rubber banding of AI cars. They always never lose traction at the start. I play on sport rules difficulty. Nothing special. At least 6 to eight cars accelerate past you at the start leaving you at about p24, then mid race the AI slows down if you are defending, if thats such a word to use in a racing game here !. Then you can race past about 6 cars. You can get to about p16, then the AI cars seem to magically speed up, (ridiculous in my opinon), from about 500 yds behind you to then 2 feet, either crashing into the back of you or overtaking with no traction loss. In only 1 race out of 6 I achieved P3 on the podium. Definitely some strange and at times odd AI behaviour, Of course much better than previous Forza versions. I am enjoying this game and its plays very well on the PC. If you have an RTX 2080 Ti, or similar dont worry, it plays really well with good FPS. You dont need an RTX 4090. Optimisation is good.

That's what I expected. The ai drives better with better cars. I can start from last and win by 5 seconds one race. Then barely reach the podium when I start 6th in another race on the same difficulty.

4 months later, the AI is still a pile of crap

there is no ai on forza , the hardest rivals just follow a predetermined race line and run with cheats like more power , perfect traction etc , to stay on the lead thats not ai

I’ve got 1 race in so far and saw quite a bit of rubber banding, coming to a near stop on the apex then launching like falcon heavy. I thought they said that wasn’t going to happen. Wish I could get a refund, don’t know why I keep on pre-ordering T10 games, I thought I would have learned by now.

@johnm3907

10 ай бұрын

It took me getting burned a few times to learn my lesson, cyberpunk then gt7, no way I getting caught again

@ClapperDan

10 ай бұрын

That's why you game pass before you but bro. Games today are not worth day one buys

@pipedreamin

10 ай бұрын

@@ClapperDan I guess, I’m just old enough that I can’t stand subscriptions, I just want to pay my money and have what I bought.

From everything I've experienced the AI are pretty dumb

Like deployed 👍

You too huh?

AI is trash in this new game, they rubber band by breaking physics in corners to be on your ass, they pass you and brake in the same section next lap. They run off course They run into you like rookie multiplayer They drive in the center alot They pinch corners and brake in odd spots It's honestly a massive downfall in my opinion.

This game looks worse than ASM2 maxed out on a 3090. I get 165 fps on AMS2 but on Forza I get 90 fps with stutters. It's a crock of shyte.