30+ years ago, when I had depression due to being the victim of psychological violence, I was given ECT (electro-convulsive therapy). It didn't work. I recovered from the depression, however, the moment I left my abuser. My point is - the psychiatric world took the easy way by treating the victim as though she was mentally ill, when in fact it was her abuser who needed treatment, but in this society, abusers are often untouchable.

@lindsayborodin9647

Жыл бұрын

TRUTHFUL.

I love how unbiased you try to be.

@andreasleonlandgren3092

5 жыл бұрын

o k this is a bad thing?xD

@barraman.

5 жыл бұрын

It is not bæd to be biased, it is bad to be biased an to say that you are unbiased. But yeah, Dr. Grande is quite unbiased (not fully)

@barraman.

5 жыл бұрын

@Ben Hackett Agreed

@ok-kk3ic

5 жыл бұрын

Ben Hackett It definitely is impossible to escape bias. A massive lacking in bias is on some level- a bias. lol.

@MartinJohnZ

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I know right, it's almost like he's an umm, an actual person.

Watching this 4 months later. "People aren't allowed to be people." This is a very profound statement. People are destroyed or destroy themselves in the name of fitting in, of being loved, of getting ahead. And it seems to be encouraged! "Oh, you don't *have* to be an Introvert. You can *change* your fundamental nature." But why? What's wrong with being as I am? What purpose is there in provoking anxiety about a personality type? It's become too extreme! Thank you, Dr. Grande. I'm going to create a poster of those 6 very profound words for my office wall, photograph it and cherish the wisdom. 🐯

@Aceofspades737

2 жыл бұрын

This is so true. maybe alot of anxious and depressive thoughts could be mitigated by just allowing people to have them. I have seen myself do this to my loved ones without realizing that it could be damaging to them. I think maybe i had fear for my own safety. I understand this is a bit irrational but this is what i experienced. I want to be a better person so I have been attempting to allow people to have their space to talk and let their feelings out. Even if I cant totally agree with their point of view.

"People are not allowed to be people anymore" - I love this argument.

The thing is, when you tell people you have a mental disorder and they respond with "everyone has some kind of mental disorder", that's like someone being physically ill and someone responding with "everyone gets ill at some point". By that logic, a sick or injured person should never go see a doctor or try and treat anything. Just because we all have them at some point does not mean we should neglect treating problems that limit and affect our lives and quality of life. "Just deal with it" is not the answer to everything and can be a very harmful and dangerous approach IMO.

@Future_Pheonix

5 жыл бұрын

@Ben Hackett It isn't easy for sure, some people are either insensitive to these issues or are too ignorant to understand them. I guess the best thing you can try to do in this case is look for someone you can trust to support you, or try to seek professional help yourself, if you can.

@mikeraskin7319

5 жыл бұрын

Very good advice I agree.

@Irene-gq4jr

5 жыл бұрын

@Brexit Refugee As I said to a friend who went cold turkey on taking medication for her own mental health condition and regretted it, if you had diabetes you wouldn't think twice about taking insulin. It's just a different part of your body that isn't functioning in the way you want it to and nothing to be ashamed of.

@vangra164

2 жыл бұрын

If everyone has some mental disorder, I think everyone should see à psychiatrist at some point in there lives...

@cuppycakey5013

2 жыл бұрын

Well they may be correct. They may have been trying to make you feel better by saying you’re not that unusual, we all do, so don’t feel bad. Or they could have meant it to be dismissive, as you took it. Either way, every mental illness is not created equal, and every person who has even the same mental illness will not present in the same way. Every mental illness is also on a scale from mild to moderate to high, so that makes a huge difference. Some people may not need professional help to function, while others certainly do.

I wonder how many people are not actually mentally ill, but rather being gaslighted into believing so by either an abuser or their own doctors. Every time I see my doctor they force me to fill out a depression evaluation. The questions are so vague, any normal person who happens to feel down could easily be diagnosed with depression and sold a drug. I’ve also experienced being told my symptoms were simply depression and I needed drugs. It wasn’t depression, it was an autoimmune condition. Doctors push this stuff so hard I find it impossible to trust any stats.

@mikeraskin7319

5 жыл бұрын

I also feel it's difficult getting a correct diagnosis. It appears that it takes time and multiple visits to have an actual proper diagnosis. Some people that diagnose were C students in school and others were A students and I think that makes a tremendous difference. By the certificates on the wall there is no way to know this. So try to be very very selective in your choices of clinicians. Also big pharma is fantastic at brainwashing people to believe that there is some type of need for medication. I would like to encourage people that suspect there may be an issue to go seek help though. People with mental illnesses generally don't know that they are. An outside view is extremely helpful. It may also save people from harming themselves or others. Thanks for your input.

@kathrinjohnson2582

5 жыл бұрын

I noticed to that they just go with what ever drug they make money on and don't even try to find the one that works for their patient. And they will give you one thing one time saying it works then the next time say take this instead of the other.

@birkit1133

5 жыл бұрын

That def happened to me! I was able to get help for chronic pain later through chiropractic adjustments, but this woman couldn't believe I was in pain because I looked young to her! She didn't believe me when I went to her for help and paid her to help me! How insulting! Yeah, I was pretty depressed by the end of the consultation, and went ahead and accepted the antidepressant prescription, but it only made me more fatigued, and useless, which worsened my condition, not to mention unwanted side effects like constipation and heart arrhythmias! Then I had to go through the weaning off process. Lots of fun. Also, after this, a sleep study found I had mild sleep apnea and low iron stores, too, which doesn't show up on standard blood labs. What quacks these lazy doctors can be!

@thequestess

5 жыл бұрын

This is why I like talking to a therapist instead of a psychiatrist or an MD. A therapist with a masters isn't allowed to prescribe, so quite often they have other tools they can use. And, if they do want to refer you out to get medication, you can either go along with it, or say no thanks. Also, I think that there can be mental illnesses that are real, but don't necessarily need medication, and you might be able to recover from. They are finding a link to a lot of things with trauma. And with so many of them, it's like, if you're willing to be honest with yourself, face anything scary inside of yourself, and do the work over the years (usually guided by a therapist), you CAN improve. I have personally had this experience myself. I view medication in most mental illnesses as a crutch and not a cure (well heck, they tell you up front that the meds won't actually cure anything and they just want you to take them forever).

@thequestess

5 жыл бұрын

@@birkit1133 OMG, it's crap like that why I hate doctors. I have had SO many experiences where they don't listen and they just whip out the prescription pad and tell you have X and to take Y for it. Then, it doesn't even help, because I don't have X. OR, they say they don't know and they want to run $5000 worth of tests for various different things, and you're going to pay the bill while they try to "figure it out." And then you do the tests and they still say they don't know and just to live with it. I've had the best luck with chiropractic, naturopathy, midwifery, and doing a lot of reading myself. ONCE a doctor actually helped me (saved my life actually), and it was because I had a textbook classic thing going on. Actually, that's after the ER sent me home and said they didn't see anything wrong, and after I talked to a specialist on the phone as a followup to the ER, and he also said it sounded all better now. Then less than week later, I saw the GP and he said go to the hospital now, and then I was having emergency surgery that night and learned I'd had internal bleeding for the last week (hence how I almost died).

I think while not everyone has a mental illness, everyone struggles or has issues with their mental health - some more, some less. And there's not always a clear-cut line between having issues and having an illness. It's not always easy to tell, neither from the inside nor from the outside, if you get what I'm trying to say ...

@kikib.4519

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree.

@birkit1133

5 жыл бұрын

The people who directly impact your life also impact your mental health. This is why in drug rehab they instruct addicts to abandon friends who use drugs, for example. Surround yourself with positive people and you will feel more positive. Violent relationships lead to PTSD and stress-related conditions. So other people also can have a big impact on our mental health, too.

@thequestess

5 жыл бұрын

@@birkit1133 Yes! The moment I was finally old enough to move out from my mother's house, my depression got 10 times better.

@birkit1133

5 жыл бұрын

@@thequestess Me as well. When I'm physically around her as in living under the same roof, I start to feel like I'm going insane. When I leave and live on my own, I feel normal again. It's funny, though, we can talk on the phone for hours and it's always fine. Something different is happening when we're together, though. I don't know why we don't get along face-to-face. We're like oil & water.

@thequestess

5 жыл бұрын

@@birkit1133 My mom was being emotionally abusive (I didn't know what that was back then), and that's what the problem was for me. About 1 year after I moved out, I had to move back in as an emergency, while I found a new apartment. My mom was so happy to have me back (she was feeling empty nesty, even though my brother still lived there), that she was very nice to me! But still, I will never live with her unless I absolutely must. So, I moved back out as soon as I could, before anything got bad again. My mom has "decided" that she's going to move in with me once my dad dies. She tells my husband this all the time. But no, she's not going to. The next time she says that when I'm around, I'll let her know. Besides, my dad, even though he's older than her, is healthier than her, LOL. (I feel bad for my dad though, she's been emotionally abusive to him right in front of me and my husband ... my husband was shocked to personally witness some of the stuff I told him I'd grown up with.)

People are probably exhibiting the side effects of overstimulation of neural pathways. Too much TV and music and other noise. Too much focus causes weariness of the mind, giving the appearance of illness. Also, not adopting personal disciplines, leads to randomness and lack of fulfilling goals to keep the mind operating in an orderly way. Heavy metals, and chemicals can interfere with neural functions as well.

One of the most powerful observations you made in this video is that we limit ourselves and the parameters for what qualifies as "normal" behavior. Also the question of whether schools are operating in a way that best suit our children is a great question. Asking kids to sit still, look forward, don't ask questions outside of the box, etc. and follow this order is challenging for many of them as well as their parents. I would have to say I believe that at some point we all struggle, are faced with trauma, anxiety or other cognitive impairments, maybe just not as severe as others. Thank you Dr.Grande for this video.

@deniseswindell2175

5 жыл бұрын

Tamara, I am agreement with you in reference to the parameters that we have placed on what we believe is normal and I have many feelings about this now that I have given it some thought. We are teaching our children in the same way and we have many children who do not learn through reading a book. Many have to touch or physically do something to learn and so foe the child whom we have told to remain in the box, we have now placed in the category of in need of medications or mentally ill.

@jasonmullinder

3 жыл бұрын

I heard in a few places that within psychology "normal" is a statistical term, not understanding that creates a lot of problems in society especially stigmatizing mental illness

i would not call it a conspiracy but it is a conflict of interest to publish a diagnostic manual that is funded or has a relationship with the medication manufacture .

@metamorphicorder

5 жыл бұрын

One of the authors of dsm5 does a really good lecture on this subject. And its not necessarily a consipiracy, but there is a huge tendency for certain entities to definitely use the changes made in dsm5 to their advantage I think the guy was being pretty honest and i didnt like a lot of what he had to say, but he felt so bad that he apologized for what changed between dsm4 and dsm5. The lecture was on the podcast big ideas. Its out of production but still downloadable. Good lecture.

@lidahall5928

5 жыл бұрын

@Chance Whistler That's a fair point. Many, many do call it a conspiracy which must aggravate many who work in Mental Health. Well, it does, actually (as I have heard a great deal!) but because of this COI, it's still a fair call, in general terms.

@nickidaisyreddwoodd5837

5 жыл бұрын

Ahh ohh someone said it. Thank you.

@sashalu13

4 жыл бұрын

Why is there no more Axis 1, 2,3,4? Personality disorders dont really exist? Or nobody wants to diagnose them? I liked the Axis just for differentiating problem symptoms and diagnoses the doctor has come up with. Mental illnesses, personality d/o, medical issues. It was simple. Now i suppose everything is on a continuum. Why no Axis anymore?

@theultimatereductionist7592

2 жыл бұрын

Pharmaceuticals / drugs have provable quantifiable testable benefits as well as risks. Counseling is untestable unquantifiable make-up-anything-one-wants-and-pretend-one-is-doing-something woowoo, religion, scam, antiscience, pseudoscience.

Disclaimer: I have been diagnosed with SPD (schizoid) and I have had psychiatric training in the past. I don't think everyone is mentally ill and I don't think anything is overpathologized. What I do think is that mental disorders are, in general, underdiagnosed. I still come across people who, I personally think, have a personality disorder while they just go about their lives undiagnosed.

I appreciate how thorough you are about showing both sides of the argument rather than simply stating an argument for the point of view you prefer, and neglect the other one for the sake of intellectual laziness. Refreshing.

@DrGrande

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

‘People are not allowed to be people anymore’. So true. Something to think about yet again dr Grande.💕

Interesting. There's always a benchmark with everything to determine an average in healthiness / illness, wealthy / poor, alpha / beta, considerate / rude, narcopath / empath, and everything inbetween all of those.

@mikeraskin7319

5 жыл бұрын

There's a doctor in southern California who is professor for UCLA who describes mentally healthy people in a great way. His name is dr. Dan Siegel and he does a great job in defining what is healthy.

Before I watch this, I think we really do live in a depression era, with especially social media and social pressure being higher than ever portraying a constant "perfect life" for the outside, make the grass look as green as possible for the other side if you will. As much amazing things come with social media, I feel it also has made that ideology far stronger than ever! I seen some interesting articles too on how the phones, process of posting selfies / getting likes etc are basically little dopamine hits every time, over exposing us to it. Looking forward to when I have time to watch this!!

@longago3649

5 жыл бұрын

I have seen studies that corroborate this especially among young women who use social media like a drug. Likes = a high and Dislikes = a low. Anyone I know who spends too much time with social media or their phone has changed. They seem to have lost basic logic and normal emotional responses. Perhaps in 20 years or so there will be an admission that this technological and social behavior has changed our mental capacity for communication, thought, social normal behavior.

1st. Great video and topic. I used to believe that almost everyone has some sort of disorder, but I have discovered that over 50% of the population has what is based on attachment theory of a secure attachment. I noticed this after studying attachment theory. People with a secure attachment will not go into the depths of what I believe a mental illness is. They bounce back and do it in a short time. Where as others don't. I do believe though that if caught at the time of an issue people with the secure attachment can be considered mentally ill, but saying this I believe it would take a good assessment to know that they are just going through a temporary issue and not actually mentally ill.

@Debtwarrior

5 жыл бұрын

My favourite realisation was meeting some who had 'soevt years in counselling' everyone she met she believed was crazy. She met people I knew as interesting people she thought were mental. Chatty people were mental, quiet people were mental, happy people were mental, artistic people were mental etc etc etc.

Thank you so much for your "Maybe" approach and insight. Specially the part about strict social conduct and maladaptive cultural norms. In anthropology it's a widely discussed thing. I'm South American and here kids are allowed to be friendly, close and spontaneous with no negative repercusions, and those who are raised in "cold" (not necessarily abusive, just non-receptive) families definitely struggle a lot more.

Always interesting Dr.Grande. There are severe cases of criminally insane, then the serious cases of schizophrenia, etc. and in general a lot of bipolar, seriously depressed, highly anxious/panicky, and the list goes on. We don't all fit into the societal norms box and many who do are not necessarily displaying who they are behind closed doors. Taking a broad view of mankind and our history it would seem that insanity rules. However, there are plenty of wonderful, caring people everywhere who truly want to make this world a better place for everyone, not just themselves, their own families, their race identity, and/or their country only. Thank you so much for all of your interesting and thought-provoking videos.

@mikeraskin7319

5 жыл бұрын

I love your ideas and input. I do believe though that everyone on this planet fitness into a box. Some boxes are different sizes, but no matter where or what someone is doing, saying or behaving there is a box for them. I think the problem with categorizing is many people try to cram people into too few of boxes, which just doesn't work except for the fact that we're human. 👍

I think I mostly agree with the thought that mental illness is on a spectrum, it can range from mild to severe, and considering that it's rare to find anyone who's never been physically ill before, I can see how it'd also be rare for someone to never experience mental hardships as well. I've been straddling the line between "moderate adhd" to "that's just my creative personality" my whole life and it's frustrating. If life just didn't have to involve so much planning and multi-tasking, then I probably wouldn't even need to be diagnosed with anything. Also, if I didn't have to move away from friends and family and break up with my boyfriend for the sake of a job, I would have never gotten that adjustment disorder. But it's easier to take a pill than it is to change how modern society works, lol.

Dr. Grande, thank you for offering multiple perspectives for the viewer to receive a broad scope of information. The stigma with mental health is very real ♥️

Having to "drive between narrow lines" was a great way to describe. The stress created driving tightly between those lines make life tough. I do my best, however, I gave up trying to be that perfect to keep others happy. Trying to keep myself myself sane makes me look like I'm nuts! To me it would be more nuts trying to achieve perfection. Nobody can be perfect. To bad it took over 30 years to learn this.

A great talk Dr. Grande and I appreciate your citations. I think life happens. I'm kind to myself and don't judge others or self examine. I don't worry about driving outside the lines. I would resist anyone telling me that I have a mental illness, they just haven't found it yet.

Another excellent video. Completely agree that you don't see much tolerance of even trivial personal differences today. I'd like to hear about the theory underlying the DSM and how it justifies continually expanding. For me it seems to take mildly distressing behaviours and makes them seem like significant pathologies, meanwhile people are still going half a lifetime before getting a diagnosis for something like bipolar which was established long before psychiatry even existed. Surely there's a problem when even psychotic symptoms go unrecognised, but we can walk away with a bag of pills for mild OCD or social anxiety without any problem

Possibly your most brilliant video topic to date. I can see this as discussed in a seminar and you going around the country sharing these ideas with kids, adults, families and professionals alike. It makes me sad more people won’t/haven’t seen this video (and all of your videos tbh) you give such great and gentle guidance, I wish more clinicians could think like you.

Haha! Excellent subject covered! So many people say phrases like 'yeah but everyone is mad, aren't they?'

I love how you approach this so openly and the last section where you raise the question of what is normal. I really like that.

Another thing is that people have a tendency to identify too much with their diagnosis which can cause anxieties around how they relate to others and feel about themselves in general, thus a potential desire to avoid diagnosis.

No I don't think everyone has a mental disorder. I think everyone has issues? Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Thankyou so much! This is one of the most validating and encouraging things I have ever heard. it's so easy to be made to feel screwed up by our society when in fact we are merely being human, which is a very difficult thing to be much of the time. Bless you!

So interesting. And something I've thought about for a very long time for an ever evolving raft of reasons. I've long thought that "normal" doesn't really exist, that it's kind of a statistics problem. ;-) I'm inclined to go with the idea that pretty much everyone has some sort of struggle adapting to life, and that struggle may or may not ever be recognized as a mental illness. The severity of those struggles depends on a lot of things - inherited traits, parenting skills/style, early life trauma (and opportunities to heal from that trauma or not), life experiences (including accidents, good luck, bad luck, etc in various areas of life), and my definition of "mental illness" would be when the severity of a given individuals struggles begin to result in inner and/or outer life damage --- when, for example, there is little/no resilience and coping skills start to break down. Lately I've been thinking that everyone has *something*; the "five factor" idea correlates nicely with my sense that our thoughts, feelings, behaviors, etc. exist along a continuum, a set of "sliders", if you will....and that if most of our sliders are mid-range most of the time.....we're ok. ;-) It's when too many of those "sliders" go past mid-range and/or a few key ones go too far to one side that we're in trouble and at risk of genuine mental illness. Whether or not we get the help we need at those moments (in any form, professional or not) is the crucial question.

@feralbluee

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you - very well said and thought out. i don't know what to think at this point - but the idea that adapting to life is difficult and everyone copes in their own way, and sometimes need help with that is not mental illness. the slide idea works really well and damaging your own life or other lives is the important thing in 'labeling' or treatment. (i am not a big Freud person, but theory of neurosis versus psychosis works here, too.)

Oh, my gosh, I LOVE this video so much. I respect all your work highly (it has helped me more than I can say), but this NAILS exactly what I've been criticising in Western society. There is SO much emphasis on "individual responsibility," which I accept. We SHOULD all take responsibility for the trajectory of our lives. However, no human is an island. Their mental state often reflects, and in the case of American society, I argue, condemns, the system in which they exist daily. Our culture has become SUCH a rat race, it makes the heyday of the term in the 80's nostalgic - no two-hour lunches these days. In corporate America, you're lucky to get a lunch break at all. For many, the things you need to do to survive are SO unreasonable, especially for the marginalized, it's no wonder rates of disorders soar. I don't think everyone has a mental illness (although news broadcasts sometimes make me think so). I do think that there are severe societal disconnects when it comes to letting human beings be human beings and not robots. Reacting to an insane situation with sanity only makes you look more crazy. I hope this comment makes some sort of sense. I'm rambling, so I'll finish with thank you, I love your work, PLEASE keep making videos. You're one of the good guys. Thank you.

I love your way of giving answers from different prespectives and with your personal view of them. You really help to understand more of the topics, with your way of look at things, with clear and healthy logic. Thank you so much for this great way of giving education.

@DrGrande

5 жыл бұрын

You are quite welcome!

This question became more clear for me when I became a Tibetan Buddhist. I then read the ancient texts. This is a topic, though possibly framed differently, from long, long ago. Many of the great Buddhist spiritual teachers/Lamas/leaders can wholly address this issue in a Dharma talk. I am so, so gratified to better know these truths. In short, this faith allows me greater patience with myself and others, and I feel less involved with idiot compassion...that is a phrase my late teacher used. This means also does not involve putting people down, or belittling suffering. It is more related to use as a goad for living by the person using the teachings for enlightenment, and wanting to really help others to do the same. Dr. Grande makes a good effort to do this in a scientific sense. I respect that, yet realize there is much more.

Dr. Grande- I thoroughly enjoyed listening to your discussion. As I currently work with many youth, I find that the school system has often failed or is failing the children. I see many children from the ages 3-8 years old with letters sent home because they were too talkative, could not sit still in the chair for 4 hours and not interacting with all of the children in the classroom. I agree with your statement that our society does not allow children to be children. Everyone is quick to give a child a diagnosis but often do not look at their background, boredom or even environmental factors. Importantly, I enjoyed when you talked about Big Pharma and many professionals that give out diagnosis. The stigma is too high and if we can lower the stigma and help others feel more expressive- we might see others reaching out for help and statistically there might be more information over time.

Wow! I found this video very insightful. And I find myself in complete agreement with your assessment of the lack of tolerance or individual variation regarding Mental Health.

This is my favorite video you've ever done. I've been browsing your channel for weeks and not sure why I only found it today.

Love this question, and your take on it. Its hard to find people who will go on a philosophical journey on big topics, its my favorite pass time... I am one of those who loathe the rules of engagement with other people. The hug, the how are you that they dont mean, remembering all the little things you have to do so everybody can be comfortable. The small talk eeek.. Pod people! Sadly this is why I must be self employed...

Well met, Sir. Well met indeed. I've been in the process of listening to your videos and still "judging the source." Listening to your mind work during this video has decided it. You are now part of my small yet excellent trusted sources in my lifelong journey of learning. You've earned it. Thank you for giving back and sharing your insight. It is greatly appreciated.

Thanks for having the citations. Big help.

i dont assume everyone i meet is mentally ill. i do assume, however, that every single conscious humanoid thats ever existed has either lived or is currently living just as complex a life as me, and its particularly easy to get many complete strangers to open up about strategies for combatting specific mental issues... when and if those subjects arise.

I'm so glad you made and that I found this video! This answered the question I've been wanting to ask you since I started binge watching your videos a few days ago!

One of my favorite videos of Dr. Grande. Very philosophical here. I appreciate it. Thanks.

Thank you for this - the final third of this video really struck a cord for me. I have been thinking a lot about how intolerant society is of difference, particularly in children. There is a common image of the perfect child - sociable, outgoing, obedient, cheerful - and any deviation from this idea can be pathologised. Of course there are children who have mental health issues or disorders and they need help, but very often I think our expectations are unrealistic and intolerant of deviation from that narrow road, as you described.

You are truly outstanding in your field, and in this video survey, are clearly out standing in your field. Thank you for sharing the sights demonstrate the maturation of your view, out standing in your

I like that you take a look into this topic from different viewpoints. I also appreciated that you brought up the connection with mental health and substance abuse.

Great breakdown; great channel. Keep it up!

Great discussion, thank you.

I have a wonderful friend who sometimes tells me: "The whole world is an open air insane asylum." Perhaps you have heard this expression Dr. Grande? thanks for another great video!

I watch Dr Grande's channel almost everyday. This very scientific and objective approach to delving into mental health topics is so much needed, not only for those who suffer from mental illness but also for those who do not. I think the best illustration of the idea that "everyone has mental illness" is very relevant and makes alot of sense; I would however say that over the course of life we all will experience some form of mental illness. I just think that these periods land with in normal ranges of the human experience. Physical illness can and most likely be experienced by all of us; this does not qualify us to say say that the person going through a bout of this illness i chronically ill. There is a big difference between the two. Once we have an impact on daily function we can make a distinction if symptoms do not completely remit or return to normal ranges. I would also say that if someone is struggling to the point they are willing to go in and get help, they are more than likely suffering some impaired functioning in their daily lives. We must consider how resistant people are to reach out to mental health clinicians are due to stigma and the belief that it will not help. I think it is imperative that we make very clear distinctions between chronic mental illness and acute episodes of mental illness, if we are going to reduce stigma and increase the confidence in the general public's eye, of the ability for treatment to help those who are suffering on a daily basis.

I really enjoyed the video presentation, I found it to be extremely thought provoking, while providing me with a new perspective and enhancing my previous thoughts on the topic. I really appreciated Dr. Grande’s explanation on how society views behavior and how we as a society could potentially be causing mental illness - giving the example of greeting someone and all of the social expectations that go along with just that one simple task. This really opened my eyes to what little freedom individuals have to make errors, as we all are expected to be perfect and meet social norms. As Dr. Grande mentioned, in our society individuals are almost not even allowed to display specific emotions and behaviors such as feeling sad, because it makes others feel uncomfortable and therefore is not accepted. Society is constantly reminding people to suppress their feelings, causing individuals to never truly face their emotions, while constantly trying to uphold a false image of themselves. This alone causes individuals to develop “mental illness” due to the fact that eventually they are no longer able to maintain such a façade, and therefore become viewed as having a problem. Overall, I think Dr. Grande’s question of whether being Mentally Healthy is really abnormal, is something to consider, due to the fact that mental illness is so underreported and many individuals within our society continue to suppress their true emotions in order to meet unrealistic standards.

This is an excellent video, Dr. Grande! I somehow missed this one. I appreciated the feeling you put into your statement "People aren't allowed to feel sad anymore." Unrelated, your short hair in this video makes you look younger and more current - I hope that you don't feel offended by that. I don't know that you'll see this since this video is from one year ago.

Wow, very very insightful! I think one of the biggest issues is that we as a society deal with mental conditions differently than we deal with physical conditions. In my line of work I need to document past medical history for most of my patients, it is extremely rare to have someone without a PMHx. Why would mental illness be different? That’s something to introspect upon. Thank you again Dr. Grande, this was excellent!

Excellent thoughts, thank you!

this is a question ive always wanted to know more about. thank you 😊

Very wise, thanks for the video.

Very good presentation of this issue. You are very unbiased and fair. The society we live in can be very screwed up with all these expectations. Mental defenses are there to protect. People are smart enough to know when they are not coping well. There are many ways to deal with one's angst and they include healthy outlets. I don't believe you need to run off and get medicated. It is part of loving and accepting ourselves as we are.

Dr. Grande, very interesting points that you presented. Would you consider doing a video on the safety of long term antidepressant use? I have found that the only way to keep away my clinical depression is to stay on the same antidepressant I have taken for most of the past 22 years. When I tried to go off of it I experienced the worst bought of depression I ever had and did not think I would live through it. I have been well and on meds for the past 8 years, however, I read information and worry about potential horrible long term effects. Thanks so much!

Fact! It's true! I get frustrated and start to wonder if I am mentally ill whilst living in a stress filled environment.

Dr. Grande, excellent insights you've given us here. Thanks for the thought provoking video.

Brilliant presentation. Thankyou Dr.

This was incredibly interesting. I appreciate your ability to look at all the different sides.

I really enjoyed this video. This is often something I think about. With my son having autism it was initially hard to grasp. However, I know how important early intervention is and whether I had come to terms with it or not, he needed the help. Thankfully he is not medicated, but those who rely on medication are in a tough situation. Thank you Dr. Grande!

Wonderful! I learned so much!

As usual very insightful video. What stood out to me though was your perception of people nowadays not being allowed to deviate a little bit from the norm. I secretly always had this opinion, but because of how outside of the box this kind of opinion seems to be around here, I could never find someone else who thought this too. It seems to me, we do place too much value on being "perfect", when really, perfection doesn't exist. What also seems to have come hand in hand with that is a kind of superficial attitude at the same time... An inability and unwillingness to get to know a different person on a deeper level to be able to understand that some behaviors that come across as weird actually are not that strange - when you take some time to hear another person's reasons for that, I've often realized it appeared more weird and wild than it actually is - it was just a unique personality trait.

One of your best videos Dr Grande, and a subject rarely discussed. I’ve no answers myself, but if everyone is mentally ill, then mental illness would be 'normal'. It kind of begs the question of what exactly defines 'normal'. Have a happy day! 😊

I agree with Dr. grande that there is not a clear answer to this question, Is everyone mentally ill". I enjoyed listening to him discuss in detail all of the factors that play into it such as big pharma, parenting, societal expectations, etc. To take it a little further, I believe that anyone and everyone could benefit from counseling whether they are truly mentally ill or considered to be part of the worried-well. We all have issues, some more pronounced and chronic, some situational but not everyone is mentally ill. Some people just need a little extra help from time to time!

@marisamaguire8136

5 жыл бұрын

Jessica, I really appreciated your comment of everyone could benefit from counseling whether or not they are truly mentally ill or considered to be a part of a worried-well.. Due to the stigma surrounding mental illness and counseling, I find that it can often prevent people from seeking the assistants that they need or that could potentially be beneficial. In another respect, I find that rather than discussing any concerns or issues that one may possess, individuals are very quick to “fix” things or “treat” people with medication. Similar to what Erica mentioned in her comment, I find that in some cases it’s more beneficial for someone to simply talk to another person who can help them to process their feelings or concerns and evaluate their situation in a more controlled and stable environment where they aren’t judged or labeled due to a concern they have. As you mentioned, not everyone is mentally ill and therefore needs to be treated with medication, some just need a little extra help from time to time!

People visiting the United States are blown away by the amount of medicine ads on tv ... " Ask your doctor if XYZ is right for you " ... Unfortunately we have become . CUSTOMERS not PATIENTS ... Glad to have found this 2019 video, thank's for posting .

The short anwser is yes. Lol... To some degree, we're all a bit cooky! Love your work Dr. Grande. You're the man!!

I enjoy the overview of diagnosing, with no biases. This shows many different view points on how complex mental health treatment can be.

When I went to my therapist for the first time I acted out every single symptom of every mental disorder and I got detained in a hospital for three days. It was actually pretty cool to talk to patients. I guess I belong there hahah.

Thank you for helping me understand

This is a very interesting topic of discussion, one that I have had with fellow friends and students in the past. It really hit home for me the part of how we pathologize normal to the point of creating illness itself. It’s like when you think about yellow cars and then all you can see is yellow cars. To me I think this is the line that any MH provider walks - distinguishing between normal, adaptive or growth behaviors and ones that are truly ‘abnormal’

(from Lise Hull) What an excellent video! Very thought-provoking!

@DrGrande

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Best personality wonderfully explained with its ups and downs and deviations, I love it!!

I think the hard question to answer for every individual case is, is it worth to go on the quest to seek therapy or counseling. Seeking therapy or counseling is an investment in time and money, and it is quite risky. There are bad counselors out there, there are generally decent counselors, that still make mistakes, there are big pharma sales representatives, there are snake oil salesmen and charismatic gurus. And the decision to seek counseling seems to presuppose, that the main source of your suffering is your "self", your childhood experiences and your skewed perceptions. If you spent the same amount of time, money and effort changing your environment, maybe by qualifying for a better job, or organising with others to address political injustices, or just becoming part of a nice community, would you maybe be better off than after hunting down your childhood demons?

I would rather be mentally ill, full of empathy, compassion, kind, loving, giving in spirit, than a narcissist who is selfish, self serving, manipulative, cold, grandiose. In a world where you can be anything, be kind! We all have armpits, and they all stink. Love and kindness can keep others from becoming mentally ill.

This video touches on some really thought provoking ideas. It does seem like there has been a great deal of overpathologizing since it is difficult to see a professional for help with a mental issue and leave with them telling you that you have no issues at all. With all of the experiences that we hold onto from childhood all the way until we leave this earth, it would seem difficult to imagine that we would just never fall on the spectrum of being high risk for some behaviors or exhibit any negative symptoms. Maybe we should redefine what it means to be "normal" and make it safe for people to be honest about their experiences and feelings. The stigma attached to having mental health issues definitely causes people to be secretive and in some cases find unhealthy coping mechanisms.

That was a fantastic video!!!

Dr grande - you are brilliant. Really love your videos and try to watch them all. Thank you so much. This is the first comment I’ve left, just to let you know. Even though I don’t comment, I am subscribed and watching. Learning so much from you! :) and will try to comment more now. I also want to add that I have left relationships when I’ve discovered (hidden) mental illness. I find that it’s difficult for people with mental illnesses to maintain relationships (I have complex PTSD which usually is looked at negatively). You would think two people with mental illnesses hold more compassion for each other in a relationship (and I have seen this too), but when those mental conditions are vastly different, it can also create divides and breakups when one is unable or unwilling to understand the condition of another. Perhaps it’s too much for relationships also, when both have difficult mental illnesses. What do you think? That being said, you’ve taught me to hold more compassion in this regard. It’s just tough when mental illnesses are hidden when the relationship begins, and confessed to only later when things have already blown up, so to speak.

Very interesting thoughts. I like the argument about our perfectionistic society not allowing deviation. I think we sometimes expect life to be too much a certain way, and when it’s not perfect, or we’re not perfect, there’s this disconnect. I know that’s what brought on my depression when I had it.

Gosh! - one more splendid video! I just loved, you talk about this, because I don't think people are "sick, like they need big pharma medication sick" I think, you see.... that, we are "sick/mentally ill" because society is! I think the mental illness of the world is a mirror image of the result of how emotionally damaged we are. What we call illness is the traumatised's coping mechanism I think we need to see this as something else. More like addiction... addition of the coping mechanism that make people go around their triggered inner traumas, through these different kinds of ways. I think it's more like self soothing in an unhealthy way. You know this, if I hurt you first, I don't get hurt my self kind of thinking. So what is then "sick, or mentally ill" If we think that every human need emotional support och nourishment, unconditional love and acceptance from our care givers. We also need distinct frames, and rules when we grow up. Loving guidance if you will.. If we then see how our world looks today, we can conclude, that our children are not being taken care of as they suppose to. The adults who should be supportive are them selves traumatised and not capable of giving the warmth and safety, the children need We are mammals, made for living in family groups, with bland ages, where the older ones, can take care of the small ones. We would need to see the calmness and wisdom from the old. These people are locked in to senior homes nowadays, so children almost never see them. I know there are exceptions, but generally. In Europe, where I live... both parents work, in almost all families. There are very few kindergarten teachers, so kids are teaching kids social skills. This system is not good.... So why I'm I thinking that big pharma and medication/pills are not the answer... Because... mental illness is a result of trauma, and what the medication does is, it hides the symptoms! It fakes your wellbeing. You don't feel the anxiety... you don't feel depressed. You can be more balanced so you don't have to live though the "bi-polar roller coaster" Depression, anxiety, bi-polar and all kinds of manifestations of these inner wounds, are just coping mechanisms, distractions from the inner pain and the anxiety. Manifestation signs of the disfunction. It is just the sign something have to bee worked with to clean out the hurt and heal from within That's why the answer to your question, "why we terapeuts" are right, and the medication is wrong. Because the terapeuts are working with the real issue, which the medication doesn't It's like if your neighbour hits you in the head every evening, so you are in pain. You can eat strong pills and not feel the pain, but it would be a healthier way to stop the pain, by stopping the neighbour hurting you continuously. Isn't it? If go to the root cause, you can heal, but it requires to look inside of us, and many are not willing to do that. We are many time lazy and we don't want to take responsibility for what we carry. It's easier to eat pills That's why therapy can be so soooo useful! Because if you find the wound in the deep of your soul and if you are willing to feel the pain while working, and can learn to deal with it, -it stops bothering you, and hindering you on life's path. Your life opens up and suddenly everything will be seen in a much brighter light.....

I think there’s a lot of wisdom here. Thank you.

Great topic.

This is the most interesting listen and discussion topic and I believe that society norms is creating more mental illness in more people for a variety of reasons. You explained this very well. 👍🏻

@DrGrande

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

In family Law its very sad to see that numerous kids don't have even one parent who is a decent person.

Another excellent video! This is a question I’ve asked myself multiple times and I’ve found myself pondering. Your explanation of mental illness and the population was spot on. I too think that it’s a strong possibility that a large percentage of the population has some kind of undiagnosed mental illness, but is it because we are looking for disorders everywhere? Is it that we are reading too much into everyday behavior? Are we over analyzing people who could just be going through a difficult time? I have found my depression worsens if something stressful happens. Normally I never think about it, it’s not something that plays a major role in my life. I’m 33 so that may have something to do with it. I don’t have a lot of stress in my life that causes my depression to rear its ugly head. My anxiety however is different. I have little to no fear about public speaking but the minute I think to myself “Oh no did I get that homework assignment done or do I have a quiz or anything due today?” I can feel it creeping up in my gut. It’s terrifying. It can make me freeze right in my tracks. On some level I feel like this is normal. I can’t imagine anyone who’s a dedicated college student who isn’t always trying to stay on top of their assignments and sometimes second guesses themselves. I feel like it would be strange if college students weren’t at least a little anxious about assignments and due dates. I was diagnosed 10 plus years ago and many of the symptoms I had with depression and anxiety have subsided with age. I don’t get overly anxious over things I know I have no power to change and I have found ways of managing my depression that have been mentally and physically beneficial. As a psych major I know we never say “cured” but do you think someone can ever overcome a mental illness to the point that it’s not an everyday problem for them? For me this is how I feel. Oh we just covered Freud’s Psychoanalysis of Personality and ugh what a weirdo lol He said that people who smoke, chew on pens, eat uncontrollably have an oral fixation and he himself was a cigar smoker to the point of having jaw cancer. When an associate asked him about it he replied, “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar”. What a hypocrite! It’s like the rules he created applied to everyone but him. I’m curious also about you Dr. Grande, where did you do your undergrad, masters, and doctorate? What made you decide to be a counselor and what made you get your doctorate? Just curious. Hope you’re doing well. Take care.

It was very interesting to see all different points of views on this one question. It is true that once an individual seeks professional help, there is a greater potential of being diagnosed with a mental disorder and being prescribed with medications. I always struggled with understanding when is the right time to take medications or seek in speaking with a counselor or not? I do believe everyone experiences depression and anxiety through certain situations, and it seems "normal." I believe there are different types or levels to having depression or different types or levels to having anxiety in that certain actions have to be taken due to those certain levels. Whether the action involves personally dealing with it, seeking guidance in counseling, or taking medications. That also comes from the idea that all individuals are unique in their situation and how they perceive and react to each situation. Thanks for the video!

I think the only way for the pharmaceutical industry to become more trustworthy is for pharmaceutical companies to become non profit organizations. I understand that people need to be paid for the work they do but it shouldn't be about becoming wealthy. Nobody expects someone to be physically healthy for their entire life so why do people begin with the assumption someone has always been mentally healthy? That has occurred to me too so I'm glad that you made that point. In my experience psychiatrists always make it clear that some anxiety and depression etc is normal in a variety of situations. The doctors I've known are good at taking severe problems seriously and helping to put milder problems into perspective, without being dismissive. As for those who criticize classification systems like the D.S.M, how many of them have developed an arguably superior system?

Thank you, God bless! 🙂 From a 🇧🇷 fan.

I agree. Good analysis.

this is one of your most thought provoking and interesting videos. please more open ended discussions like this Dr. Grande. thank you

@DrGrande

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

👏👏👏👏👏 Freaking brilliant. And truly smart. Thank you so very much and congratulations, Dr Grande.

@DrGrande

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Dr. Grande, My compliments, a useful analytical perspective of a puzzling conundrum of a dynamic society..

@runwiththewind3281

5 жыл бұрын

I went back to peruse this lecture to revisit the content that has instantiated clarity amidst confusion. Thank you.

Good video. Great info. Thanks Dr. G

@terrygaedchens5928

5 жыл бұрын

People are born with a quest to understand the order and purpose of all things. Not being born aware of the order doesn't mean they are mentally disordered as in mental disturbances, which exhibit randomness or obsession.

Good video and thank you for mentioning the importance of allowing sadness and crying. The pharma industry is completely out of control and it's a big huge corruption mess world wide. The only way of dealing with emotional and physical suffering is through natural holistic means such as whole vegan food, herbal teas, raw plant juices, medicinal plants, hot springs, hiking, loving dogs, classical music and meditation just to mention a few modalities. This whole and healing life style says No to animal testing and environmental pollution from pharma toxins. Each person living and healing with the holistic means makes the world better and saves animals from suffering.

@tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098

4 жыл бұрын

Big pharma makes us cry -- no wonder they want us to stop.... ☻

Excellent display of critical thinking! I appreciate your skills.

Thank you. I really appreciate the information, for me what really helped me was medication for my major depression going to work was a midmare for me i thought I needed to smile even when i do not want to smile I try to look confident because I bought in to idea there was a way confident people behave. I nearly lose myself trying to fit in I thought I was wrong as a person that I needed to change to be like every body else.

You are just brilliant. Best thing I have ever heard on KZread! I live in Zimbabwe and we have gone through some pretty tough governmental states and watching pretty normal people fluctuate between mental illness and being normal happy people has almost become something we would just live with. Because the environment has become normal to us in our own country's confusion. The internet is overloaded with forms of "boxing" the human mind. The word disorder can be expanded to say a 'problem with the order' in a particular environment. That being the order in the human mind but also the external environment Therefore, is shame infact now becoming the primary byproduct of "boxing". Of course shame being one of the roots of a lot of mental disorders? Are we creating our own state of large scale mental disorder by focusing so much on disorder... I am late ... I need to get to an appointment ... I probably could have taken more time to make my little say make more sense! Have a beautiful day!

I have never heard somebody explain ig that good. I've had exactly the same thoughts and You put words on them. My oldest son, was very wild as a child, some thought he had ADHD. Todayhe is a very calm and harmonic young man. One teacher contacted social services one time (a new school) because my younger son was so quiet and mostly watched the kids play(that was his charachtair, he always inspected things, first when he came into a new situation before he join,) The teacher also had a concern because he "took care" of his older, wild brother(it is less than two years between them) remaining him about the time for the bus, for thingstho remember, told him to calm down. It might have been a little unusual but that was the way my sons always were. Their personalities as kids. My older, wild and impulsive, my younger quiet, responsible and thoughtful. Even when my youngest recently changed collage(he had a change of heart/mind) His teacher expressed his concern to me because of his seriousness and introvert personality, thinking he was depressed. I must add here in Sweden were I live there is a trend going on amongst parents and youth, in different diagnosis. It is kind of cool, to been diagnosed witj adhd, asperger, autism or OCD. I have a neighbour with four kids. His oldest daughter is the same age as my oldest son. They were so similair(wild) as young kids, they played and fought together, but became soon friends again. Now my neighbour have an investigation, avout their second oldest daughter (quite alike my younger son, quiet, thoughtful, calmly games) and she seems to be having asperger as well. I dont claim to know if they have ssperger or not, but they seems to adapting the diagnos they have got. They have became avoiding, and very quiet, one perfectinist tje other sloppy in cleaning her room. And it is all due to their asperger. I have a younger relative diagnosed woth adhd. She remains so much(personality) with another relative, without tve diagnosis, with my father, he us dead now, but he did not have a disorder, and with my grandmother, she eas of course older, and it was not so common then, but it eas just her petsobality. Nut as for my young relative with the diagnoses, everything she does and say almost is due to the diagnosis. And I have seen countless similar young people. It has almost been sometging to brag about.

I couldn't agree more with you about what's normal, and how we are all expected to be perfect according to stringent society standards. I have always felt that the standard school setting and classroom environment is extremely unhealthy and unnatural for children. They are forced to endure this indoctrination process often over 10 hours/day, then they continue to be subjected even at home with homework, extracurricular activities, day care, even on the weekends. It's actually pretty sad. Just riding on the school bus is pretty unhealthy in myriad ways! Parents are clueless about over 80% or more of their own children's lives. It's no wonder their parenting skills are so dismally bad. I feel sorry for school kids. We are homeschooling ours.