I never understood and still don’t understand why so many people, who know nothing about Esperanto, have such a negative attitude towards the language.

@davegraham7550

3 жыл бұрын

One could publish a book of negative comments on Esperanto in Esperanto. Equally one could create a interlingua-Esperanto fight club.

@devonoknabo2582

3 жыл бұрын

well for one the concept of a created language is kinda silly to many people edit: not to me but for other people

@devonoknabo2582

3 жыл бұрын

@@Islandicus that's a joke tbh like he says it as his intro nothing more nothing less

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I never understood it either but I hope with time and my videos I might open some minds :)

@IM2awsme

3 жыл бұрын

I say the same thing about being a brony. Amazing how much the world opens up once you ignore prejudices.

Personally, I think people REALLY overestimate the potential of machine translation. I think saying “Machines will replace translators,” is like saying “Machines will replace artists.” There’s just far too much nuance that cannot be captured by a computer.

@geraldwagner8739

3 жыл бұрын

I think it works if you book a hotel room or order a meal in a restaurant or ask where you can find the next train station.

@davegraham7550

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of the horrendously complex mega computing used by pretty much anyone with a cell phone is a work around for the fact that the natural order of a common language for the planet has not been reached.

@joshuaswart8211

3 жыл бұрын

@@geraldwagner8739 Oh, definitely. Good machine translators can handle those tasks with ease, and I am grateful for their existence. However, language is used for much more than that brief list (which you obviously know). Thus, it begs the question: how much can you actually use machine translators for? A simple conversation? Maybe. A conversation about politics and philosophy? Probably not. A novel? A poem? A piece of legislation? No way. Having said that, I actually use machine translation to read ahead in a Japanese-language web novel, before we get the official translations. (Yes, it is a huuuge headache.) Receiving the official translations is great and clears a LOT of things up. And it also shows just how subjective translations are. (I mean, just ask Bible translator about “theological bias in Biblical translations”. It’s a thing, and it’s significant. In conclusion, I am glad that machine translators exist, and they have many uses. However, I do not like the misleading narrative that one day, no-one will learn other languages anymore, because machine translators will be able to do everything.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I agree we are ages off of real impactful machine translation but it seems to be the go-to thing for everyone anti-Esperanto these days.

@raizin4908

3 жыл бұрын

There is a real possibility that soon-ish (perhaps in 20 or 50 or 100 years) there will be an AI explosion (called "the singularity" in AI circles), at which point AI reaches near-human or superhuman intelligence, and almost all jobs will become obsolete in a short time. Then computers could probably completely replace human translators. But at that point the viability of languages will be the least of our concerns compared to the _HUGE_ fundamental changes in society. By the way, computers are already surprisingly good at some "creative" tasks like composing music.

Esperanto isn't like other languages, obviously. E-o learners/speakers must promote and create in the language, learning it isn't enough really , start a YT channel, or chat, write a book, create an app,whatever your thing is, continue to create culture

@Evildea

2 жыл бұрын

I will continue to do my part! :D

@sorenpx

2 жыл бұрын

I wish more people cared about Esperanto literature, both original and translated. I get very enthusiastic about books in Eo but it seems not many others do.

@Lookatmeshine

Жыл бұрын

​@@sorenpxit's one of my main interests in learning (just started today). Any good Esperanto translated book recommendations(of any level)?

@sorenpx

Жыл бұрын

@@Lookatmeshine There are a ton of translations that have been done and there used to be a zip file floating around that had a ton of PDFs. But off the top of my head, The Hobbit, 1984 and Alice in Wonderland are all good. Also, if it's something you'd be interested in, the Bible was one of the first translations ever done.

@TVwriter23

4 ай бұрын

There are books

What would actually help Esperanto is if there were actually channels in Esperanto that is about any other topic but the language itself. It talks way too much about itself.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I make two videos a week. One of those videos is always just me telling funny stories from my life in Esperanto. The other videos are English videos talking about my language learning experiences. Some stories: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fqqamdJ6ZMu4p9I.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqt3xqirprPWaKg.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/dWmDttOLn9C_o9Y.html If funny stories isn't your thing then maybe sub to a science channel such as scivolemo: kzread.info/dron/Jy1LAuTnZjrov6QFWSagug.html

@ExploringEsperanto

3 жыл бұрын

There are such channels, but great videos are not easy, fast, or cheap to make so we need to financially support and loudly promote the channels that do exist or else those content creators will eventually get burnt out and stop making stuff. kzread.info

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Exploring Esperanto is totally right. It's very hard for Esperanto content creators as there is currently next-to-no money in it so eventually they just start doing things in other languages where they can make a living.

@Ant42Lee

2 жыл бұрын

I have a shirt with the E-o flag that says "Esperanto (n.) : a hobby, where people talk about their hobby, using their hobby" 😂

@ronaldonmg

Жыл бұрын

check scivolemo and d-ro loĉjo

The voice of reason, thank you!

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Dankon!

People always saying "I don't learn Esperanto because it was a failed project" C'MON there are about 2 million speakers, a few thousands native speakers, for a language that started just above one hundred years ago, that is absolutely not a failure.

@Siberius-

3 жыл бұрын

Strange how they treat it as if there was a deadline. Esperanto could be the new global language in 618 years, after almost becoming the global language 42 times.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

It is definitely more than successful enough for my needs :)

@IkarusKommt

3 жыл бұрын

There is no (and never has been) 2 million speakers. The most realistic estimation is 10 to 30 thousand fluent speakers. There has been a period when it had about a million of adherents, but it ended by 1930.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

There are definitely more than 10,000 fluent speakers. Conservative estimates state at least 60,000. I went to the UKo in Korea and in that one meetup there were at least 800+ fluent speakers. There's no way in the world that 12% of all fluent speakers were there. That's just crazy talk. This is especially true considering that there were only 3 Australians there and I personally know at least 100 fluent aussies.

@IkarusKommt

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea So you've spoke with 800 people to certify they are fluent? UKs are a joke.

Yo soy de Peru casi siempre veo tus videos y aprendo tambien Esperanto e Ingles, aprendi Esperanto por usted, muchas gracias por este bello idioma

Mi feliĉegas ke vi faras ĉi tiun filmeton. Dankon🙌🏻

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Nedankinde! :D

Yeah, I've no interest in joining some organization but I'll watch an Evildea vid or read a book or article or whatever in Esperanto. The internet is great for Esperanto and I wouldn't put much stock in org membership numbers

@hmidou386

3 жыл бұрын

You would love to joint a local esperantejo!

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I totally get that.

People learn esperanto to MEET people. Trully meet, that is to say : to have social interaction with other human from other culture, with "strangers". And it's beautiful.

@Meric_N

3 жыл бұрын

And this behaviour is fashionable nowadays, so it's literally a new born for esperanto.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Some certainly do. I just love its history and unique culture.

@baronmeduse

2 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea Isn't that (defeatist) attitude also why it remains a mocked language? Meric is pointing to Esperanto's function as pure communication - what it is actually for. Clowning about at conferences and writing amateur sci-fi in Esperanto has just tainted it.

@Evildea

2 жыл бұрын

@@baronmeduse If you've watched my channel for a while, you'd know I learned Esperanto 1) because it seemed cool 2) it was easy and 3) I liked the people I was meeting. I stuck with it however because of its interesting cultural things I found. At no point did I learn it just for communication. Also, Zamenhof didn't treat Esperanto as just a tool of communication, he spent years of his life translating classical literature into the language. Finally, what is communication? Well, clowning around at a conference is communicating with people. Reading a sci-fi novel is the author communicating his ideas and the reader receiving them. Therefore, you'd need to precisely define what communication means to you.

@baronmeduse

2 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea I have seen your channel before over years. Zamenhof absolutely thought it was fundamentally for communication. He states this explicitly in his original texts. He - like others have - translated stuff to provide reading material and prove the language was capable of expressing the sentiments of great literature as well as any other language. Clowning around at a conference is indeed communicating, of a fashion, but the 'I just like the culture' crowd are happy for it to remain a little subculture where they can be big fish in a small pond. Esperanto isn't just for conferences or talking 'about' Esperanto. Another Esperanto youtuber 'Keep Esperanto Simple' (or similar) has less developed Esperanto than you, but her vision of the language as a meaningful international second language is utterly true to the vision of what the language is supposed to be for.

It's growing. I'm learning. Because I want to speak without a translator to people all over the world.

A year later and here I am, another person about to learn Esperanto. :)

Hehe, our god spoke about my article! 😃 Some of the commenters just didn't get what I was trying to say: associations were the internet of it's time, and now the internet is doing their work much better, much faster and more cost-effective. So new Esperanto speakers are born on the internet, and they stay on the internet. And like you said (and mentioned in my article), this is the situation for a lot of associations today. They just don't know how to use the internet to their advantage. And neither do I. As for your hypothesis about automatic translators killing off the big language learners; I think it might be too difficult for it to become a reality, but if it does, then I do think your hypothesis is sound. I never considered that possibility. It will most probably not make people substitute English for Esperanto, but that huge argument against Esperanto will at least be gone, and that can't hurt.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

That's also my problem. I also don't know what exactly associations can do. I recently became a member of UEA because I just wanted to support them spiritually but I don't really need anything they offer.

@johano-go

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea They obviously can organize meetings, courses, archive stuff and such. But they are no longer necessary for information spreading, nor to organize local gatherings anymore. So I think they should concentrate on that: bigger events and archiving, and use that as a reason for people to join. Maybe people will not pay for getting the same things they will get for free online, but they might pay to preserve the history and culture of our movement, and to make it readily available to everyone.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Yeap, that could possibly work :)

You have made my day. Mi lernas Esperanton, ĉar ĝi estas belega, kaj ĝi estas ĝusta ideo. Conlangs are the future of communication. In many areas of life synthetic surpassed organic. For good reasons in my opinion. I really hope for Esperanto to succeed. I also hope for Ithkuil but that is really far fetched. P.S. I am one of those Duolingo esperantists.

What I think, nowadays, about Esperanto, is that's a common key that we use for unlocking people mind ; make them interested in languages - of course -, but also about a lot of other knowledge fields. For example, in my case, I barely had a decent level in English, around 2006 but, thanks to Esperanto, I felt like I was able to more easily identify the main languages mechanisms. I don't think I really became a real polyglot, but I feel a bit more capable to understand more stuff about languages; especially grammar points. The real issue, according to me, with Esperanto, is that - locally; in their city -, there is just few amounts of people willing to learn and practice Esperanto. That makes them feel like Esperanto is a bit useless; kinda hobby. The usefulness of Esperanto is really subtle. We only understand the value of learning it, when we start to understand all the grammar pieces that will facilitate our other language learning. The real-time translation tools don't really exist in a regular citizen's life. If we surf the Internet - on our computer or smartphone -, we'll find some efficient tools to instantly translate what our interlocutor is saying, but during the work, or even walking in the street, we don't have that kind of devices. So English, as in that thread, is still the more current way to communicate - in a street as much as on the Internet. A cruel reality that we have to manage with :/ And yes, Esperanto speakers - even if they're numerous -, are mainly active on the Internet. Some people can argue that we can meet a reasonable amount of Esperanto speakers travelling around the world, but we don't have that much occasion - and money (even with the "pasporta servo") -, to privilege that solution. Esperanto needs to become something trendy, and it could be with the change of mentality (way of thinking of the youth, about tolerance, gender identity, etc.), environment issues, humankind concerns (hungriness, thirstiness, mistreatment, slavery, etc.) and our other era civilizational challenges. And a really important thing : Esperanto needs to take an important place in the economy field (Chinese people could help with that; by replacing English by Esperanto as the default international language).

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree that Esperanto needs to become something trendy. I don't see Chinese people replacing English with Esperanto because the only reason they learn English is to get English jobs. I actually think one of the best ways forward is through soft power. Esperanto needs to become like anime. Something really interesting and cool for outsiders that lure them in to learn it. We need to really invest in our soft power. Obviously, as a KZreadr I'm also biased in this regard but I think that's important.

Esperanto has two trajectories. As a universal auxiliary language it failed long ago. But as a language for enthusiasts it's still going strong, is the largest constructed language by far, and the Internet has skyrocketed its use. It's also steampunk art: an 1880s utopian vision, from the viewpoint of Eastern Europe, a time when German was a major international language before it got tainted in the world wars. So k instead of c, 1/3 vocabulary from German, etc. And the innovative grammar. Many people find that combination interesting. Perfect machine translation sounds unlikely. It can work for a limited vocabulary and the standard language, but not all the innovations and ambiguities and metaphors people are constantly coming up with. It doesn't even work well with nonstandard accents. See the video about Scottish people in a voice-activated elevator telling it to go to "eleven". It's the same overoptimism as autonomous cars: the hype says they're just around the corner and they'll replace the need for steering wheels and transit, but that ignores thousands of safety-related and esoteric issues in a real-world environment. Yes, they'll work in limited corridors and some company fleets, but expecting them to work everywhere for everybody sounds far-fetched. You'll get partial autonomy, which we already have, not the full ideal vision. The same with machine translation.

@Siberius-

3 жыл бұрын

"As a universal auxiliary language it failed long ago". There wasn't a deadline that has already been passed on that. Esperanto could be the new global language in 618 years, after almost becoming the global language 42 times.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

@Siberius Wolf. I agree and a lot of people forget this. Zamenhof originally even stated that everyone should start learning only when 1 million people agree at the same time. So he obviously wasn't expecting overnight success.

@Siberius-

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea - I wonder what the equivalent today is for 1 million people back then... Bit of a strange request, but I like the general mindset behind what he is communicating.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

No idea, maybe 10 million haha. But yeah, he was a realist and also Esperanto was meant to be a support project for his main idea which was "homaranismo"

Interesting perspective! The prospect of live translation is usually applied as an example that learning new languages (including Esperanto) will become superfluous, but I haven't seen any comparative reflection on how it might influence *which* languages might gain or lose an interested following.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Yeap :)

Considering learning esperanto on duolingo. Partly because it'll help me get gems and hearts for my Japanese course haha.

The aha moment will be when Netflix etc, can get their subtitles translated into Esperanto with ease. That'll be the game changer in my opinion.

Kara Elvidea, I think you've covered all the essential parameters in your eloquent presentation. I learned Esperanto on the Internet over ten years ago. Given that I live in the countryside, I would never have learned it without the Internet. Since then I have made some efforts to promote Esperanto in the city of Lion (France), through the local association. The association's membership is slowly declining, but people who join it are more fluent than was formerly the case. As a retired English teacher I totally agree that AI will do more damage to (utilitarian) English learning than to Esperanto, the language of idealistic "rootless cosmopolitans". On the other hand, until we obtain support from established authorities, we will remain a fringe community. But that, in a way, makes it more fun. So Esperanto lives on: kio estos, estos. The future's not ours to see.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I have no hope in authorities as authorities usually approve things after they've already gained mass acceptance. For example, in Australia gay marriage was only legalised after the politicans realised it was no longer politically risky to endorse it. So, I can't see any authority really giving it serious thought until there is already a large group of users.

Everyone quotes Duolingo, but there are other Apps that have Esperanto listed amoung other languages that they have. I would like to know how many language learning Apps support an Esperanto course!!

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I'm also curious to know about this especially considering I haven't been a learner in donkey's years.

@paulhowlett8151

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea I completed the Duolingo Esperanto course in it's first edition, but it has been substantially increased since then and went out of the beta phase and is now locked as a regular Duolingo language course. I am using two other Apps for learning Spanish, Clozemaster and Drops. I am sure that both of these Apps also have Esperanto on their language lists. Memrise, has an Esperanto course. But I am sure there are more language learning Apps the have Esperanto.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, well, of course I also used Lernu.net :)

@nandoflorestan

3 ай бұрын

Mi lernas ĉefe per Duolingo. Sed por lerni pli da vortoj mi ankaŭ uzas Clozemaster. Mi povus uzi Anki sed kio mi bezonas nur estas filmetoj, podkastoj kaj libroj.

I like your point of view. It could happen !

Gratulon! Tre bona rezonado!

I figure as long as there are people interested in learning languages out of sheer curiosity or fascination, some of them will learn Esperanto.

What I can't process is why isn't a country like Korea pushing the language. For simple economic reasons it seems like it'd be a huge advantage to a country to push the language, as a shortcut/bypass around learning english.

@kingbolo4579

9 ай бұрын

Because almost nobody speaks it. Koreans learn English.

Vivu Esperanto , la, facila bela kaj riĉa lingvo de internacia komunikado, paco kaj amikeco. Long live Esperanto, the easy , beautiful, and rich language for international communication, peace and friendships. I've learned Esperanto long long time ago .It has enriched my life and it has been the joy of my life through all these years.

Even if all the Esperanto associations were to collapse, there will always be people around who are interested in languages. And then, since Esperanto is an interesting phenomenon from the linguistic point of view, it's quite natural that some of them will be curious about Esperanto and decide to learn it. And then of course the next step is that they want to meet other speakers, look for books, put articles and videos on the internet, form a local group, maybe start teaching it or organize a conference... So whatever happens, I can't see Esperanto disappearing. There will always be new people discovering it.

Can you post a link to the article? Thank you for the great video by the way 😀

Saluton, Evildea. Mi estas komencanto en la lingvo ĉe Duolingo, do mi ne provos daŭrigi en Esperanto. My goal is kind of crazy: I want to translate at least one of my novels into a conlang that real people can read. I'm torn between Esperanto and Interlingua, though at this point Esperanto is the one I am most likely to choose. Interlingua is attractive because you don't even need to study the language if you already speak multiple romance languages, as I do. But the fact that it's so easy is actually a drawback. If you read Spanish you can pretty much read Italian, and if you know French, too, well, reading Italian is no problem at all, even if you've never studied the language (before I retired I took calls in all of my languages, but also in Italian and Ukrainian, since they're so close to the languages I'm fluent in--Spanish, French, Russian. It's no problem to take calls in those closely-related languages). So when I come out with Cartier's Ring (my first published novel) in Spanish, Italians and French people ought to be able to read it with maybe a few detours into a dictionary--so why take the trouble to write in Interlingua? I'm not helping anyone much at all. But Esperanto--people in Japan and China and Kenya could read my novel. Esperanto is one of the biggest languages at Duolingo, and the exercises are useful in gaining a foothold in both grammar and vocab. I supplement with your videos and others and I am just beginning the obligatory reading of La Eta Princo (I read it in original French years ago when I first learned the language). Esperanto dying? I think just the opposite is happening. Even though I created my own conlang (Tasblish; if you're interested, you can check out Ruveis Tasblishon (Let's Learn Tasblish), available online), I probably would not have begun Esperanto if not for Duolingo. Economic incentive? Hah! Even if I translate one of my novels into Esperanto, I doubt I'll make more than a few dozen sales. It's not about the money, it's about interacting, creating, studying, sharing. I think your analysis of the future of Esperanto is spot on. More people will take it up because a growing number of people will have more time on their hands, and there are always people like me who just plain enjoy studying languages. More people + more time = more Esperantists. Vale!

Im a komencanto and I agree, the intereto is growing Esperanto in leaps and bounds.

@carsonpiano1

8 ай бұрын

If you'd like help learning I'll help!

@billyjohnson2495

8 ай бұрын

@@carsonpiano1 thanks but I got this.

What do you think of the Esperanto translation projects of Jackbox games?

I don't know any esperanto. I however have observed some speak it sounding almost robotic. It however sounds like a natural latin-based language when you speak it. Couldn't understand what you said but sounds beautiful.

@Evildea

Жыл бұрын

Oh, thanks a lot :D

Mi tute konsentas kun via video. Mi lernis la anglan en la lernejo pro profesiaj kialoj krom ke mi ne uzas ĝin en mia laboro do mi forgesis ĝin. Mi tiam eklernis Esperanton kiu estas tre simpla lingvo. Kaj danke al la tujaj subtekstoj tradukantaj vian anglan al la franca, mi povas perfekte kompreni vian videon. 😉

(note: I'm a "first-timer"...now a subscriber) Didn't realize you were Australian until you pulled the "I can get you a job heah, heah, heah, heah, and hea-r!". But then again, persons from Boston... pretty close! Cheers JerBear Charlotte USA (big fan of Esperanto 👍)

Mi estas komencanto, mi havas unu monato, sed mi ŝatas studi Esperanto kaj mi deziras flue parolas ĝin.

@araucano2007

3 жыл бұрын

Saluton samideano!, Esperanto estas mojosa lingvo, studu kaj lernu ĉiutage! Ĝis la revido, mi brakumas vin ekde Ĉilio!!

@geraldwagner8739

3 жыл бұрын

@@araucano2007 Mi estas el Berlino en Germanio kaj mi ankaŭ amas Esperanton.

@hmidou386

3 жыл бұрын

Saluton. Mi povas paroli flue. Mi etas tre parol-em-a.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Iom post iom vi fluiĝos :)

@pomoruga1469

2 жыл бұрын

Saluton, mi komencis lerni Esperanton pli-malpli kiam vi, ĉu vi ankaŭ bone sukcesis, aŭ vi havis malpli da libertempo?

Hi. I've been unaware of Esperanto before today, when someone's one-word reply of "Jexas" proved translatable as "yes." Wanting to be informed, I've found my way here.

Well said ol’ chap!

@Evildea

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

A few observations: 1) many people do not want to learn English because of its association with the USA and the UK, which they see as evil; 2) in the sci fi series "The Expanse" the miners of the astroid belt speak a mixture of languages including Esperanto (so happy that I at least could recognize it) 3) when in Rio de Janeiro I went to a kind of pub in which there were tables and books scattered on one of them. One of these books was a book of poetry in Esperanto. All this means nothing but it is interesting.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I loooooooove "The Expanse". It is one of my all-time favourite shows. Sorry, just had to say that haha. I also really want to visit Rio one day.

@MetsisJ

3 жыл бұрын

From what I have heard, Esperanto is really strong in Brazil.

@carlrenzi

3 жыл бұрын

@@MetsisJ There is a bill in Congress to make Esperanto available in public schools. I think there is a yearly congress here ut I've never gone to any. When I moved to Teresópolis (two hour car ride from Rio) I met a man who wanted to teach Esperanto but didn't have a location. Then the pandemic hit. Curiously about a year ago I received an email from France inviting me to go there and take a course and participate in the activities there. I imagine they got my name and address when I bought some books from amazon to study Esperanto. By the way I downloaded most of my Esperanto books from Gutenberg.org

@carlrenzi

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea The Expanse may be one of the best Sci Fi series ever made. Now would not be a good time to visit. Years ago as an ESL teacher I met three Australians who were also teaching there.

Hm, tre bona filmeto. Nun mi komprenis ke Esperanto havos futuron. Vi donis esperon al mi. Dankon al vi pro tio

Kion mi jen lernis el viaj filmetoj: "fek al vi!". Multe dankon.

Yo aprendí Esperanto a través de Duolingo y puedo hablar en un nivel básico y entender una conversación de mediana dificultad. Es cierto que es fácil de aprender porque hay pocas reglas gramaticales.....pero no todo es color de rosa....cuando llegamos a los sufijos y prefijos para construir vocabulario, ya aquí se pone verdaderamente cuesta arriba, actualmente se han creado tantas palabras nuevas que sencillamente es casi imposible entender en una conversación fluida o al escuchar un artículo por ejemplo en "Esperanta retradio". Saludos desde Chile

@evk7464

2 жыл бұрын

Mi konsentas kun vi Esperantistoj bezonas halti kun tiom da vortoj faritaj kun sufiksoj kaj komenci fari novajn vortojn ĉar ili estas faranta Esperanton esti pli malbela

@araucano2007

11 ай бұрын

​@@evk7464por lo mismo ya perdí el interés por el Esperanto

Im learning it so i can give my self confidence then i can speed run spanish and italian

@Evildea

8 ай бұрын

How's it going? :)

@moana_skellington

8 ай бұрын

@@Evildea tre bone.

We need more entertainment in esperanto, KZread channel, books, also videos from famous people with esperanto subtitles, many people give up about esperanto, because they can’t find nothing in esperanto.

I genuinely don't think we'll ever have a universal translator that can do 99.99% perfect translations in real time without some serious advancements in AI, as well as some sort of quantum computing. Also being able to speak another language just sounds awesome vs using a computer to do it for me.

Saluton! :) Mi estas komencanto kaj mi ne komprenas Esperanton bone, sed mi lernas :)

@Evildea

7 ай бұрын

Lernu bone!

I'll tell you this, I tried learning Esperanto through the main online group and was treated pretty badly by the curmudgeony admin there...the rigidity and snobbery of this kind of orthodoxy was just a turn-off, and I really stopped learning after I got scolded by this guy for breaking his rules. I couldn't find any other online groups besides that one, unfortunately. I've been to a few meet-ups and I know maybe 500 Esperanto words, but honestly I don't see that the 'community' of Esperanto speakers is perhaps as vibrant as it thinks that it is in reality. And as a language hobbyist I am having way more fun learning Greek right now. But...I am still happy that I have had exposure to Esperanto and I can follow it when I see it.

@Evildea

Жыл бұрын

That’s really sad to hear. I guess if that was my first experience with a community I would disengage as well. Sorry to hear that happened mate. Feel free to hang out on my channel from time to time.

The dead can't die!

Eo-USA is definitely trying to become more valuable to the new jacks, but it's even more difficult to sell a moderately expensive membership when Covid killed the last in-person activities... I do like their book store, but it's not as plena as it used to be. 🤔 We'll see what they're willing to do to adapt.

@ExploringEsperanto

3 жыл бұрын

We are open to suggestions. It's hard to come up with member benefits in this day and age. I'm focusing most of my board member energy on running our new short film competition but I'm also in charge of our publicity committee. The question is, what should we be promoting? Telling the general populace that Esperanto is a thing or turning Esperantists into paying members of Esperanto-USA? What would you do or change first if you were on the board?

@eljuano28

3 жыл бұрын

Saluton, Alex! The short film thing is definitely a good idea, btw and it fits with the way younger people are communicating as well as the direction Eo-USA should be looking, which is why I mentioned they are trying. What I think needs to be addressed is the fact that the business model has no apparent vision. It assumes Eo speakers are just going to join and dues will be sufficient funding for daily Eo-USA activities and resources, but that's the sort of mentality Riĉardo is talking about that is why the associations are dying. An association is not a club. It doesn't have that direct immediacy in it's interaction with individual Eo-ists. It's not supposed to. An association should provide sanction and guidance to clubs and activities, but people simply don't strictly participate in associations. They look to associations to provide resources, (definitely like the retbutiko, but that's not sufficient,) and then they gather (in local clubs or more likely spontaneously scheduled E-events, pre Covid/Telegram ktp. in the aftermath.) What the association is doing is trying to act like a great big club, but financially trying to sustain that does not work on member dues, so dues become maybe not out of reach, but out of want in a time where income has not kept up with cost of living for most of us. It's like a Sam's Club membership / pay here for the privilege to pay here more. That works for a retailer of everything you need. Not so much for a language that was a want, not a need and already free. An association needs to think differently. They need to act like a foundation or not-for-profit corporation, where the mission is: to source sustainable funding through investment, sales and corporate and private partnerships for the purpose of supporting the activities and education of the Eo community and affiliated/sanctioned clubs and activities in the US and it's territories; to maintain a close relationship with sister Eo associations around the world and the UEA to foster the continued growth of the international sense of world community, cooperation and belonging that is distinct within the greater Eo community; to establish and maintain guidelines and standards for the quality of the activities and services of sanctioned clubs, businesses and activities for the benefit of the Eo community in general; to provide grants and scholarships for sanctioned affiliates and individuals who provide greater benefit to the community through personal development, commerce, education and events or activities related to Esperanto in the US and around the world; to provide and maintain the highest standards of education and instruction through guidance and sanction of primary and advanced examination and certification of courses, teachers, tutors materials and media. In short, the association needs to focus on bringing the organization of the various Eo clubs, events, resources and activities out of the 19th and 20th century attitudes and models and begin treating the language and community of Esperanto as a modern benefit to further global communication at all levels of activity for all humans. That, dear Alex, is a benefit and nominal certification, licensing and sanction fees would come from those who provide the immediate benefits to the individual Eo-ist. Want to be able to advertise your Eo event, service, product or activity as being certified or presented by the Eo-USA, guaranteeing the highest standards and quality of benefit? Meet the requirements and submit your application with a nominal and appropriate fee for review and when the association representative agrees your thing meets the standard, they issue a license, certificate, sanction or approval and you now have the ability to advertise or announce your activity, product service or event is officially Eo-USA approved, ktp. As long as the standard is excellence, that will be worthwhile to organizers, businesses, individuals and even governing agencies. An example: two people who wish to provide for pay or not, a course in Esperanto for software development: both are equally well resumed; one has an Eo-USA certification in Eo language with emphasis on software engineering terminology and practice. Who is more marketable? No such certificate exists? Eo-USA requires through written thesis and oral and practical demonstration that the person seeking certification factually can provide the requisite expertise and the certificate is created and recorded. They just became the first Eo-USA certified software development expert. Another example: two producers want to put on an Eo music concert. Both are planning to book excellent Eo bands at appropriate venues. One asks for Eo-USA approval. They submit their event plan with fire, safety, crowd handling, security and stage management for review with an appropriate nominal fee and when the Eo-USA representative agrees they've met the standards for a safe and well managed event, the producer receives a recorded license and advertises their concert as "Eo-USA proudly presents..." Which concert deserves my ticket purchase? Eo-USA is thinking the same way today they did before the internet existed. Before the French and English speaking powers convinced the world community that Eo was just a made up hobby language which couldn't be used in international matters of finance and diplomacy. Why did we let them do that? French and English didn't ask permission to do business. Eo associations never should have asked. Just do business the way it works and maybe the world adopts it and maybe it doesn't, but we have a real community and Eo-USA is in a position to lead the efforts that might make that a realistic option. A lot of people complain that those with money make the decisions. That's only true if you believe you don't have a right to have that power of self-determination. It's time for Eo-USA to enter the 21st century. It's best if they don't pass that financial burden on the individual Eo consumer without an equitable trade. It can do that by fostering business, education and developmental excellence in everyday fields.

@ronaldonmg

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExploringEsperanto I'd officialise riismo.... but obviously, there aren't going to be any new paying members as long as the populace isn't aware that Esperanto exists, or believes all kinds of things about it that aren't true. One "problem" is that you can't cram all relevant info into a pitch - at least not without lying. When I give a "workshop" about Esperanto my main condition is that I have at least an entire hour to do it

@alexanderalejandre241

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExploringEsperanto The goal should be creating more Esperanto content, say, by turning Esperantists into paying members, using it to create interesting Esperanto content to get more people into Esperanto. Podcasts with high production values and eloquent quick Esperanto would be fantastic. Many interesting short films with full speed, unaccented Esperanto would be great.

@ExploringEsperanto

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderalejandre241 I love the idea of many interesting short films being created on a regular basis but I don't know of a single city in the world with 3 active, fluent Esperanto speakers who are also trained, professional actors who could create such films together. If we need to buy plane tickets to get Esperantists together to make a film, then more people need to support Esperanto content creators on Patreon in order to make that possible. Otherwise we are all just sitting around going, "Wouldn't it be nice if this or that existed?"

I have spoken Esperanto for about 5 years now, as has my hubby, daughter and my mother. However, I am not at all interested in the politics supported by the Esperanto community, nor it’s vegetarian cuisine. We have withdrawn from the Esperanto organisations, so if numbers of speakers are calculated from memberships they will be misleading.

@ExploringEsperanto

3 жыл бұрын

I'm an Esperantist and I eat meat all the time.

@hmidou386

3 жыл бұрын

I speak english and I am not forced to act like english speakers. Same for esperanto...thought I do.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I love my meat too. Although my local Esperanto speaking vegan friends seem to give me the regular evil eye haha.

I am a rap artist from Liverpool, UK and I love Esperanto! Mi amas lerni esperanton ĉar mi pensas ke ĝi estas tre bela lingvo kaj la homoj ke lernas nia tre bona lingvo estas feliĉaj kaj bonaj 😎

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Bonege! Perhaps you'll want to check out the rapping scene in Esperanto: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zodhq5V7dau2lcY.html&start_radio=1

I think it's still good for associations, magazines, etc to exist. We need these "official" outlets to rally around, in my opinion. I think it's a shame that in the modern, always-on, totally wired-in world fewer people are seeing the importance of this.

I don't know any more. There seemed to be a revival when the internet became ubiquitous, but I have the impression that that has plateaued. One definite setback has been Duolingo withdrawing their Esperanto courses for languages other than English. It's not going to disappear any time soon, but I just don't see what will provide the next - if any - phase of growth.

i saw the tldr video and i am attempting to learn

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Nice! :D

Where are all the esperanto youtubers? I've been studying Esperanto on and off for almost 8 years, and I keep quitting after realizing there just aren't that many people using the language.

@IM2awsme

3 жыл бұрын

Try the discord

@Avi2Nyan

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there aren't a lot and the ones that are out there are mostly very vlog-y in style. I quite liked some of Keep It Simple Esperanto vids, but I think Becky has not released a lot of the past few half year or something If anyone has neat recommendations tho..

@ExploringEsperanto

3 жыл бұрын

@@Avi2Nyan What exactly are you looking for? Audiobooks? Short films? Recorded lectures? Concerts? Grammar lessons?

@stefang5639

3 жыл бұрын

Have a look at the vikipedio page "Listo de retaj videoservoj kaj videokanaloj en Esperanto" and at the webservice Tubaro to find Esperanto KZreadrs. There are plenty of them.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

There's actually a fair few KZreadrs although they just disappear because of the KZread algorithm. I'm just lucky I guess as people seem to discover my content. The website tubaro.aperu.net/ is good for discovering others.

I think people look at Esperanto in a similar way as they do Latin. If they can be bothered at all to learn a language, then they will want to learn a *useful* language - that is, a language they can make money with. As for polyglots, they want to learn a language they can talk to others with/in. And then travelers. Generally you won't get far using Latin or Esperanto in another country, at least not on your own. Sure, there's Pasporta Servo, which has been around for a lot longer than the couchsurfing website, but that necessitates someone else who speaks both Esperanto and the local language. I started learning Esperanto in 2004 when I couldn't decide which language to learn next - after Spanish, French, Portuguese, Russian, German, and Italian. At one Esperanto meeting I met a woman who also spoke Russian and we were 'crocodiling' in that language. Most of the Esperantists there came to Esperanto when they hit a wall when it came to improving in other languages. Now I'm learning Latin for the sheer joy of it. It takes time to learn a language, and most people want to get the most bang for their buck, so to speak. I'm also a fan of Interslavic, which I'm learning on Memrise. Sure, Russian is more "useful", but it takes a lot of time typing in Russian, and even Russian native speakers have a hard time understanding other Slavic languages, but Interslavic can be written in the Roman, Cyrillic and even the Glagolithic SPELLING? alphabets. It seems to make conversations among Slavs much easier, even when one is speaking their native Slavic language and the other person is speaking Interslavic.

Why there's subtitle I can understand aust-accent

Ho dankon, ŝajnas, ke ĉiuj malamas Esperanton ial

Mi plene konsentas kun via opinio. Chu vi konas esperanto(punkto)land ? En la rubriko Eo-novajhoj vi trovas pliajn argumentojn por via vidpunkto.

How far can Duolingo teach? Can I master the language with just Duolingo and a dictionary?

@amadeosendiulo2137

3 жыл бұрын

I think no. But you can do Duolingo and talk with samideanoj in the Internet. The best way to learn a language is to use it. I learned la lingvon mainly by watching YT and chatting :-)

@geraldwagner8739

3 жыл бұрын

You are able to reach a level where you can communicate. But to become fluent it‘s not enough.

@shivermetimbers6128

3 жыл бұрын

No

@eljuano28

3 жыл бұрын

It, (Duolingo,) is much better than it was a few years back, but it's a matter of your language/esperanto goals and expectations, and it's honestly not very useful if you're a cheapskate like me and refuse to pay for the prime account. (I learned per the Benson Method, but used Duolingo for practice.) To really master the spoken language, you gotta use it. To become fluent takes fairly formal and regular study and reading too, but not as much as one of those languages that weren't planned for learning. Also, fluency is a vague target. If you want to be fluent in Esperanto conversations about software engineering, you're going to need to spend some time with reading material in that topic, (and probably a dictionary that specifically targets the vocabulary of software engineers.) If you want to be a damn commie bastard, I suggest reading the Esperanto translation of the communist manifesto and get comfortable with breadlines. (No judgement.) If you're going to be getting your pilots license, you're stuck with English as a practical matter, but there are certainly aviation vocabulary focused dictionaries to start an Eo-Aero club with your fellow nerds who fly. In other words, fluency depends as much on subject matter and education and Duolingo ain't that, but a newly minted Duo-tree-climber will be capable of holding a general conversation with most normal nerds. Just don't forget to use it or you won't enjoy it, won't stick around and you'll spend the rest of your life posting anti-green people comments on YT videos.

@araucano2007

3 жыл бұрын

I finish the whole course of Esperanto in about six months and now I can speak and express my ideas better than in English, and totally free!!

Please stop opposing English and Esperanto as competing languages for status as international languages : they never applied for the same job. Esperanto wants to be international, i.e., nation-neutral. English is imperial, like Chinese, French, Russian.

I think a big problem with Esperanto is that there is very little uptodate contents to consume. I hope AI translation will assist in the coming decade.

Mi verde saĝumos ĝis la lasta guto da sango, ĝis la lasta spiro da aero, ĝis la lasta bato de l' kor'. La demando: Kun kiu? Ĉi-supre, sur mia nivelo, mi sentas min tre, tre sola. Eĉ Bertilo estas nana valano kompare kun mi. Por realigi perfektan tradukilon neprus kopii perfektan cerbon. Mi ne intencas doni licencon. Por strebuloj restas do nur ŝtopi knedlon en la buŝon.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Ĉu eĉ glav-al-gorĝe vi verde saĝumados ĝis la fin' aŭ ĉu oni povas facile subaĉeti vian verdecon per belaj vortoj kaj poŝo da brilanta or'?

@estunto5457

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Evildea Kiu aŭdacus nudigi la glavon kontraŭ Estunto? Eĉ antaŭ la penso lia mizera kapo ruliĝus en la polvo, la tero sorbiĝus de lia sang' infamia! Ne ruza parolo, nur poŝo sufiĉe peza da brilanta or' ne malpura povus igi min ree pripensi mian starpunkton.

jes

@soweli3033

9 ай бұрын

@@estoy_aprendiendo_espanyol Hola amigo, todo está bien y todo, pero si estás aprendiendo esperanto solo porque hará que otros idiomas sean más fáciles de aprender, te recomendaría que los aprendas directamente y dejes el esperanto. Estoy aprendiendo italiano directamente y creo que es más fácil que el esperanto porque tiene libros, cultura, películas, dramas, comida que puedes aprender a cocinar, además el vocabulario es muy similar al esperanto pero más vivo, no todas las palabras tienen que terminar en "o" o "a", las palabras extranjeras pueden simplemente tomarse de inmediato, los nombres no se sienten robóticos, también me gusta más el italiano porque a diferencia del esperanto, francés, portugués, no tiene letras raras como č š û y otras.

Mi estas faranta kartojn de Arcmage por Esperanto kaj interreta popoleco !

Mi ankoraŭ ne vidis la filmeton, sed mi volas komenti ion rilatan al la temo: Kiel povas morti lingvo, kiu danke al interreto spertas renesancon? Tion mi menciis al iu antaŭ nelonge, kiu diris al mi, ke Esperanto estas morta lingvo. Mi ankaŭ diris al li, ke Esperanto havas pli da parolantoj ol multaj denaskaj lingvoj. Nur se ni komparas ĝin kun la angla, evidente ĝi perdas. No he visto el video aun pero quiero comentar algo referente al tema: ¿Cómo puede estar muerto un idioma que gracias al internet esta viviendo un renacimiento? Esto es algo que le comente a alguien no hace mucho que me dijo que el esperanto es un idioma muerto. También le dije que el esperanto tiene mas hablantes que muchos idiomas nativos. Solo que si lo comparamos con el ingles, obviamente sale perdiendo.

Speaking about clickbait: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a4asj5aBj5uaYLw.html

Kvankam mi estis komencanto per Dulingvoj, por miaj Esperantaj ekzercoj, iktalki' estas ega pli grava. Ege ĝojante mi lernas per interparolado kun miaj diversaj amikoj tiujn mi trovis tie. Ĉar vi estas la fifama Diablo de la Kanguruoj je jutubo, mi kredas ke vi povas vendi lecionojn tie kontraŭ pli altaj prezoj ol aliaj malfifamaj instruistoj. Se vi volus instrui min, kaj vi estas ŝatanto de Bitmono, kontaktu min. 😀

I just wish verda drako el Ĉinio was still doing the news from China. Seems like they stopped about 3 to 5 years ago.

Cxi tio estas granda vero, Esperanto estas vivonta lingvo!

Saluton. Mi secxas homojn por lerni Esperanton kune. En tiu momento mi faras unu horon tage dum monato. Lu aligxas, kun interreto ni iras malproksimen. Gxis la revido...

Ho, Evildea, Nia Dio parolas pri artikolo de Johanes :-D

@eternakrokodilanto5263

3 жыл бұрын

Ĉu vi kredas je Evildea, mi pensis ke vi ne kredas ke li estas vera ĉar vi estas senduilo

@amadeosendiulo2137

3 жыл бұрын

@@eternakrokodilanto5263 Interesa demando, sed VI ne rajtas demandi pri tio... ĉar via jutuba nomo ANKAÛ ESTAS MENSOGO!

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Estis bona artikolo :D

@MetsisJ

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea , lasu min paradi, ke Johannes publikigis la artikolon origine en la sveda laŭ mia peto sur la retejo Finna babilejo (finnababilejo.fi/artikolo/yasu/2021/06/esperanto-ett-utdoende-sprak/).

@amadeosendiulo2137

3 жыл бұрын

@@MetsisJ "Retejestro' en la sveda estas "webbmaster"? Kial "bb"?

I'm almost positive about machines doing translation I have a friend that his first tour to Iraq he had a translator his 2nd tour they had a little box that did the translating for them

Very futuristic suppositions dude, how do you know another world war is not coming soon?

Esperanto estas bona kaj bela lingvo. Mi ŝatas ĝin! Mi parolas Esperanton por tridek tagojn.

@Evildea

2 жыл бұрын

Do, vi jam tre bone parolas ĝin!

@milosstepanovic4299

2 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea Dankon amiko, saluton el Serbio!

Mi pensas, ke necesas skribi pli multe da komentoj en Esperanto al ĉiuj Jutubaj filmetoj, eĉ se ili ne estas esperantlingvaj kaj ne estas pri Esperanto. Al ĉiuj filmetoj, kiuj ni spektas en Jutubo. Ĉar oni povas vidi multajn komentojn en la angla, en la hispana, en la germana, en la franca, en la rusa, en la pola, ktp., eĉ se la lingvo de la filmeto estas tute alia. Por spektantoj vidu, ke Esperanto ankaŭ estas uzata por komenti filmetojn en Jutubo. Do, ili ekvidos, ke Esperanto estas uzata, ili ekinteresiĝos, ili trovos filmetojn pri Esperanto en Jutubo, kaj iuj de ili komencos ankaŭ lerni Esperanton. Mi jam komentas filmetojn en Esperanto al filmetoj en diversaj lingvoj.

mia kato nur komprenas Esperanton lol, kiam mi diras '' come '' en la angla li ne venas, sed kiam mi faras ĝin en Esperanto li faras lmao.

Esperanto neniam mortas!

Economic learners will likely always exist; especially for isolated nations in Africa. You will need people to program automatic translation programs. My only disagreement with the video. I do agree that Esperanto is alive and well. Besides the internet- there is word of mouth for advertising and oh Hell, TV and radio stations although I suspect that cable and satellite networks will end up switching to streaming as nobody wants to pay the cable bills that amount to extortion.

On discord? Those dudes are pretty chill.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Feel free to drop a Discord link for others.

@MetsisJ

3 жыл бұрын

La Esperanto-kanalo en Discord ne estas bona: tro da malbona lingvo.

@jonizuloEO

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea discord.gg/EeAGP32YsX This server is the most popular Esperanto discord server I know. Many new learners are there.

@IM2awsme

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonizuloEO that's the one👍

I think the biggest barrier which is holding back the Esperanto development is that they just talk about their own langague and Esperanto learning. Why they don't talk about everyday life like any other channel but... In Esperanto?

@fitzburg63

Жыл бұрын

Who cares? We talk in Esperanto.

Saluton

I understand your point, but this reality you speak is so far from our days. I work in hospital with patients from all around the world, and although we have very good certified translators, so much is lost in translation. For spoken language, translation is so much worse than actually speaking it.

I hate all languages except Esperanto. Although the vocabulary of Esperanto comes from other languages, the language itself is very unique and as perfect as humanly possible. This is the reason I like Esperanto so much and the reason I learn it. No other reason is needed for me. Thinking in Esperanto makes me think in a more clear way. I hope one day I'll become half as fluent as Evildea and help the movement. Vivu Esperanto! La plej bela lingvo en la mondo!

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Ho, mi devas kun vi paroli Esperante haha. Mi ne volas, ke vi malamu min :P

@anterix1999

2 жыл бұрын

@@korvaamiko66 En ordo. Sed, cxu Sanskrito estas facila lingvo? Cxu sanskrito havas internacian vortprovizon?

No No Esperanto is not dying, I would say it's already dead but it was never alive to begin with.

@bernardoesperanto3194

10 ай бұрын

narlycat -- You know little to nothing about Esperanto and its history, do you? But you like to troll, isn't it? In Eo they say "se vi scias nenion pri afero, simple fermu la faùkon okaze".

@narlycat

10 ай бұрын

@bernardoesperanto3194 nobody buys lunch in marketplace using Esperanto. It's an artificial language with a European colonial power bias. There's no Asian or African languages in it. And it has too much French and Spanish and not enough English.

@bernardoesperanto3194

10 ай бұрын

@@narlycat -- Normally I don't feed trolls. But you are such a perfect example of an ignorant English-only guy, combining lack of knowledge with prejudices, that I make an exception. -- "There's no Asian or African languages in (Eo)" - Wrong. Eo incorporated hundreds of words inspired by e.g. Japanese, mainly about food, clothes, architecture, sports, cinema, religion, plants, animals, music etc. I already listed a few examples in an earlier post. Here are some more, taken from the Enciklopedieto Japana (Nakamura 1964): macutako, machiajo, majko, maki, makurio, makuvo, mamusho, hashioj, manjhuo, marmago, mikado, monakao, cunamo, animeo, jhudo, karateo ktp. For African words (mainly from Angola) see the Antologio de Portugalaj Rakontoj (1959), ekz. batuko, jhagao, kisanjho, mahambo, sobao, ktp. -- "(Eo) has too much French and Spanish and not enough English" - Can you give us a few examples, i.e. Eo words inspired by French and Spanish words without an equivalent in English?

@narlycat

10 ай бұрын

@bernardoesperanto3194 when it comes to Esperanto nobody cares

Esperanto looks like a language created by a Polish eye doctor. Wait, in fact Esperanto was created by a Polish eye doctor. My question is ... why do we consider Esperanto as the main conlang by default? It is not the first one, it is not the most perfect and it's not the most euphonic. Anyone who's into the topic and know of Quenya, Interlingua, Sindarin can see Esperanto is kinda amateurish.

@Evildea

7 ай бұрын

You're comparing oranges to apples. Quenya and Sindarin are languages of a fictional world. They aren't designed to be international auxiliary languages. Interlingua is meant to be an international auxiliary language but primarily for speakers of Romance languages and educated speakers of Germanic languages. It has a more limited scope. If you're not a native speaker of one of those languages then its just as hard to learn as any other natural language. A better comparison would between Lingwa de Planeta, Ido, Volapuk, Toki Ma or many of the other attempts at international auxiliary languages. The conlang community isn't a monolith. Many people learn Esperanto that have no interest in conlangs. There's only a small overlap between Esperanto speakers and conlangers.

@michaelknight7997

6 ай бұрын

Tolkien's interest in structure and phonoaesthetics is apparent in Quenya. Just by taking a glance at that fictional language, one can notice that its creator was a real linguist. It is fictional language, but I don't see why it couldn't be used with another purpose. The grammar of Interlingua is based largely on that of the Romance languages, but simplified, primarily under the influence of English. However, all of the control languages, including German and Russian, were consulted in developing the grammar. Its creators wanted it to be naturalistic and understandable (even without previous study) by speakers of English, German and, of course, Romance languages. You think Esperanto should be the international language 'par excellence' and that's fine. My point is there are other options which are as good as Esperanto (possibly better). @@Evildea

Eblas, ke estas multaj pli da solaj lernantoj ol grupoj, kaj malmultaj solaj lernantoj estas alireblaj por enketoj.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Verŝajne jes

You find this attitude that languages are only worth learning for economic reasons only among native English speakers.

@devonoknabo2582

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah cuz anglophones are too lazy to learn a language

@estunto5457

3 жыл бұрын

No telling true. You English, you dollar. Me too English school for business.

@geraldwagner8739

3 жыл бұрын

@@estunto5457 what?

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I also find this attitude among Chinese. The vast majority only learn a language if it profits them. However, they live in a very competitive society so I understand it.

Esperanto is a brilliant idea. It could achieve universality . First forget about trying to accent the words according to what language they appear to have originated from. How did English become universal because it conquered and threw its weight around ? That is not the reason. It was made the easiest language in history to speak, to speak, not to learn. This was accomplished by one individual and he reveals it in Hamlet " Speak the speech , I pray you, as I pronounced it to you trippingly on the tongue , but if you mouth it as many of our players do I had as lief the town crier spoke my lines. So way back then Shakespeare was trying to figure the best way to make his players, who had no sound amplification, audible to the farthest seats in the theater and he changed the manner in which English was spoken to a more straight up alignment of the upper an lower jaw and in the process using the alignment of the front teeth more for pronunciation. He changed the entire manner of speaking English and made it easy and accesible to all people. The second part of that quote " but if you mouth it" refers to speaking with the lips a la Francaise. So my point is Esperanto already has universality in its words and simplified grammatical structure all it needs is to be spoken and pronounced like English , trippingly on the tongue. I have started Esperanto on duolingo. Cheers

@ambedex

2 жыл бұрын

Your screed is way to long, get a life or something.

@ambedex

2 жыл бұрын

I meant my comment as a joke against myself. Didnt work out right. I like your video.

Dek jaroj poste mi eklernis, mi dauxre lernas esperanton. Jes, mi konsentas ke mi scias pli paralontoj nun ke antauxe.

Ne

@amadeosendiulo2137

3 жыл бұрын

Kompreneble ne. La titolo ja estas nur klaklogaĵo ;-)

Mi ŝatas trajnojn

Imma be real, Esperanto is cool af. But i got popular due to pure luck. Another language existed like Esperanto but the creator refused to change parts and evolve it. But the creator of Esperanto did, allowing for change gave it momentum

Vi parolas tro rapide. Bonvolu kompreni ke la angla lingvo havas multajn similajn fonemojn, kaj ke ĝi ne sonas klare. Tiam la mondo komprenos la valoron de Esperanto.

Mi nur komencis lerni la anglan pro studaj, kaj kompreneble ankaŭ ekonomiaj kialoj... Sed se mi povus, ne nun, kiam mia vivo igas min necesi scipovi la anglan, mi nur simple feliĉe vivus kun Esperanto kaj la Japana mdrmdrmdr

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

Mi bone komprenas :)

Esperanto was a good idea, but Zamenhof didn't know nearly as much as we know now about languages and linguistics. Modern auxlangs like Pandunia are a far better alternative.

@Evildea

2 жыл бұрын

They'll also probably take 100 years to reach the size of Esperanto at which point someone will say. "Pandunia is good but they didn't know what we know about linguistics now".

@pomoruga1469

2 жыл бұрын

Mi unue aŭdas pri tiu lingvo, sed Esperanto vivas, kaj vivos!

Dying? Was it ever born?

Your imagined future where nobody has to learn any languages if they don't want to seems pretty unrealistic to me. It's easy to imagine a "perfect" future when you'll not be the one realizing it. I think this is the same as people imagining AIs will be just like humans one day. I speak chinese and english fluently, and I am an AI engineer (I don't work on auto-translation but I think i know enough). I know what kind of effort it takes, and I believe we need another technological revolution (if not several) about the same magnitude as deep learning for your imagined future to happen, but all we get today is incremental improvements. Until then, automatic translators will always have capacities limited to easy, everyday conversations, which is not why people learn another language to fluency for. I know this may sound harsh, but you need to realize how privileged you are to be born as a native speaker of English, who can afford to go to acting schools, programming schools and all that. Your worldview is waaay too optimistic. I do agree there will always be people learning esperanto as a hobby though. Because esperanto is still the best documented artificial language. And of course esperanto will always live on in academia for its historical importance, and ideas from esperanto will probably be whatever future artificial international language that actually do make it, if it ever happens.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I think you misunderstood my video on two major fronts and also misunderstand me as a person. Firstly, I didn't say that I believed this future would exist. In fact, I often mocked it by saying "when these magical devices exist" because I don't believe they will exist anytime soon. The reason why I keep referring to this future is because it is the future that those who shoot down the usefulness of Esperanto also refer to. I'm speaking their language. Secondly, you said I need to realise my privilege and I'm really getting sick of people talking like this. Do you have any idea how my life started? In fact, you probably come from a lot more privilege than me. Don't believe me? Then watch one of my videos on my family and you'll see that they are still living in shipping containers with drop toilets in the mountains. Australia is rich along the coasts but you go a little inland and you can find real poverty. To give you an idea, my family were so poor that I had to join the military just to secure some type of job as there was no way I could afford university. Hell, just the concept of university was beyond me. I'm only just doing university now at the age of 34 because I've managed to scrap together a life by working 2-3 jobs at once. I did acting jobs when I was younger because they actually pay money for zero skill if you can get one. I'm optimistic because if I accepted the world how it was/is I'd still be living in a shipping container.

@XiaosChannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea so have you learned a language to get a job?

@XiaosChannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evildea I think this is exactly what I'm talking about. You think you got acting jobs for "zero skill" but how many of your colleagues didnt speak english? your definition "zero" is an nearly impassible hill for people in other countries in this world. that is privilege. period.

@XiaosChannel

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Evildea I think your first point was fair enough. I misunderstood you on that, and I'm sorry. Although in a world where the language barrier isn't going away, I don't think the EU is getting any closer at adopting Esperanto in any capacity, as the number of associated esperanto speakers keep going down and the influential old guards passing away. Even if the EU need an intermediate language, they can just make a better one up that is free of Esperanto's historical baggage and failures. in that sense esperanto, as an international language, is dead.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

I never stated that I thought Esperanto was going to become an EU language. That won't happen and people who believe that ignore the vested interests that play against it. I never stated it would become an international language (i.e. main lingua franca) either for the same reasons. What I started in the video was the following: The people who learn Esperanto do so for ideological reasons, to learn an easy language, or because they find its history fascinating. Those types of people won't suddenly stop learning Esperanto because of English or even the possible arrival of universal translators. If universal translators do become a thing that would hurt English a lot more than it would Esperanto because the people who learn Esperanto already have English as an option and yet still choose Esperanto. I think Esperanto has a bright future because the number of speakers is increasing, not decreasing. That doesn't mean Esperanto will become "the international language". It just means it won't die out anytime soon and will probably be one of the few languages that survive the mass linguistic extinction the world is now facing.

Record this video in Esperanto than and not English.

intresting I see it as a hobby language not a dying language but it will never be mainstream in my opinion.

@geraldwagner8739

3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion the internet is pushing Esperanto in a way, that it can reach a critical mass of speakers in the future.

@devonoknabo2582

3 жыл бұрын

@@geraldwagner8739 maybe I mean I'm a newer speaker I started learning in 2019

@geraldwagner8739

3 жыл бұрын

@@devonoknabo2582 Me too. We both started in 2019.

@devonoknabo2582

3 жыл бұрын

@@geraldwagner8739 nice

@eljuano28

3 жыл бұрын

Could be

As long as the grammatical structure can be found anywhere Espaeranto could easily resurrect even when it would have died out, althiugh it might have a totally different vocabulary.

@Evildea

3 жыл бұрын

That's basically what happened to Volapuk. It had like 2 speakers left at one point and how there are a small handful.