Rip whoever gets an emergency there

@luke5637

Жыл бұрын

Lol just walk to the exit

@AussieBlocks

Жыл бұрын

​@@luke5637 not possible, If your 2 miles in and there is a toxic chemical fire. You will not be able to walk to an exit without passing out or away because of the heat and toxic air.

@3pedaldru

Жыл бұрын

Your life must fucking suck.

@SylvyTheSylveon

Жыл бұрын

@@3pedaldru ???

@Jimothythe2nd

Жыл бұрын

They just have to make it safer than driving on the road which is also dangerous. I imagine driving through any intersection is probably more dangerous than driving through these tunnels. Rear endings usually aren't very bad.

The vaporware salesman strikes again!

I’m too claustrophobic for this mess.

@chibuchiowoh890

Жыл бұрын

Im tellin ya

@huh-xz6by

11 ай бұрын

It ain't that narrow

@udayvarma756

9 ай бұрын

Weak

@D_Lowks

Ай бұрын

I work there 💯💯

You sure there is no emergency plan??? This is the first thing to think of

This is a scam

@yudistiraliem135

2 жыл бұрын

It’s at least cheaper than taking Uber. So it’s not a scam.

@TheWild_

2 жыл бұрын

@@yudistiraliem135 how come buying a Tesla just to get thru a tunnel and also waiting so long and risking your life better than getting a Uber? America's problem isn't is that they don't have efficient public transport and their country is made for car's, the solution to cars isn't making more overpriced cars and dangerous tunnels rather to limit the cars and build better public transport

@bryantdaugherty9151

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWild_ then just.. don’t go through the tunnel?

@BallMuncher555

Жыл бұрын

@@bryantdaugherty9151 if you want to use the system, you have to use the tunnel

@sulemax9907

Жыл бұрын

​@@yudistiraliem135 train, subway are wayy cheaper

Elon will just do a software update that'll fix this... no buggy

@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing

11 ай бұрын

Still not fixed 10 months later lmao your comment aged like milk

@macavalli2619

11 ай бұрын

@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing lol, I was being facetious 🤣I believe Elon is a liar... he lied about the emerald mine when his dad on YT video confirmed they had a mine & he funded Elon, also he lied about fighting Zuck 🤭who'll demolish him but he'll play it off like he was joking 🙄

imagine if a car crash clogged the exit… 💀

I think the idea is that there’s going to be more than one tunnel. I feel like this traffic jam only happened because there’s only the one tunnel and it’s also like in beta.

@keck4022

Жыл бұрын

„Just one more lane bro, I swear. This will fix the traffic issue for sure!“ -the guy who designed the Katy highway probably

U are right what if the tunnel catches fire?

Wouldn't it be better to have a subway? That way they could transport 100s of people instead of one at a time.

@DeezNuts-ej6sr

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@KyrieEleison3

8 ай бұрын

Uninformed comment. This tunnel is insanely cheaper than a subway tunnel. Even if the goal is for cities to eventually have subway tunnels instead of this, it is much easier to convince officials to approve investments in this. Once networks are built officials could choose to upgrade sections to subways. Elon is obviously testing the concept in early stages using teslas, which makes total since. Electric vehicles mean the tunnel doesn’t need as many exhaust corridors to surface or air pumps down. The small size of it means it’s way cheaper and faster to create. Plus, Elon is running a business so why not support Tesla while he’s at it. Even if it’s not as efficient as rail when you have few stops on a larger scale for key locations across the city you can clear traffic from surface networks and everyone isn’t held captive as hostages if the government decides to shut off the rail, cause it is car based. I think they’ve already said they want to switch to some form of rail or guided track anyways. Imagine a tunnel connecting alaska to Asia and you could drive your own car in Asia getting it there by guided track or rail. If anything, this improves the likelihood of the development of more subway systems, and can be a great first step for cities whose leaders see the massive costs, inflating timelines, and bureaucratic holdups in other cities.

@tommort8360

8 ай бұрын

​@@KyrieEleison3its a fucking road underground, subway would help many more people, hardests part is to dig the tunnel so when you have it it isn't that hard to put rails in it.

@wturner777

6 ай бұрын

1000x YES! He could’ve transformed Las Vegas in a great way because the city has no metro or LRT.

@PaperMario64

5 ай бұрын

Yes, but how else could he place his cars in the tunnels?

The loop is an elitist pos, they could have made a subway.

@michaelt1931

2 жыл бұрын

Sure elon could’ve but he also could’ve built the loop so how do you choose between the two then? By picking what the person paying for it wants

@fionn6484

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelt1931 it's the fact that people defend it as a logical idea when it's massively inferior to a simple subway system which has been a staple of public transport worldwide for decades

@ZeldagigafanMatthew

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelt1931 Um... it's ultimately the taxpayer who's bearing the burden...

@michaelt1931

Жыл бұрын

@@fionn6484 i never said whether it was logical or not, i just said you or anybody else can only have OPINIONS on the matter and elon is the only one that can make the DECISION. and he said build it so too bad

@Jimothythe2nd

Жыл бұрын

This is a prototype for future technology. Right now it's a gimick. In 20 years you'll have self driving cars zipping through these tunnels.

This was at the end of the tunnel.

@wturner777

6 ай бұрын

Doesn’t matter. This will never ever solve traffic, especially when only Teslas can go through there. Little did Elon know there’s competition.

Tesla drivers must dont have heart attacks or strokes

JUST MAKE A METRO INSTEAD, ITS FASTER MORE EFFIECIENT, HAS HIGHER CAPICITY, YOU ALREADY HAWV THE TUNNELS RNDNVRKRI

@wturner777

6 ай бұрын

Exactly! He could’ve built a faster, zero-emission metro powered by Tesla. If we all learned from the Downs-Thomson Paradox, anything that would be faster than driving, people would go all in for it.

What a nightmare

Man, a buildup of cars at the exit of a SINGLE tunnel. Who would have guessed that would happen?

@wturner777

6 ай бұрын

Insanity, that’s for damn sure.

Elon should change this tunnel to underground metro

Which way the door opens 😊

Oh no. One video is indicative of the entire operations. Wtf do you know about emergency exit and transportation planning ? Please give us more than your 2 cents

@A_suds

7 ай бұрын

Bro is gay for Tesla💀🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

@TrevX2001

7 ай бұрын

@@A_sudsyou’re talking shit … online

I thought it was supposed to be pretty wide… isn’t that what you remember when he first said it

@paultrauzzi5360

2 жыл бұрын

He said the exact opposite.

There is no exhaust fans no seperate exit tunnel and just one fire away from being a catastrophe

These Ev's don't just burn like an ordinary car either. once they go up, they burn for hours, and it's not easy to extinguish, especially if you can't get to the damb thing

If a battery is on 🔥 it wil be a hell tunnel

no its not failing

@checkoutmyyoutubepage

11 ай бұрын

It is.

@wturner777

6 ай бұрын

If it doesn’t solve traffic congestion, then it is. I guarantee you most people would rather get stuck in traffic on surface than in a damn pipe with no other way out. The point is no matter how many lanes get built, traffic will continue to get worse and worse until it becomes faster to use public transit.

Just build a tunnel under the tunnel

Nothing better than underground fast metro system Lots of world city transit system go beyond 120 km/hr London elezabeth line 120km/h Delhi airport line 120km/h Delhi rrts 160 km/h Shanghai maglev 431 km/h

Stuck in traffic🙄

I got an idea to fix emergency problem. They need to build the small train track beside the tunnel and make the tunnel wider for a bit. The train track could be small as it only fit 2 or 3 persons and having electric cart the same as the gold mine cart but is more modern and self drive. They also need to make the emergency button for boring tunnels and put in the car system that can only turn on when people enter the boring tunnels. When people press the button the cart when receive the signals and run to the position of the car that calling. After they put people in the cart, the car will proceed go in automatic mode if no one in the car or do not know how to drive for the rest of the tunnels and park at designated car park for boring tunnels emergency . The cart can run at fast speed and deliver people out of the tunnels entrance. People can call for ambulance while moving out of the tunnels.

Exactly if the death of tunnel

Make it an underground bikeway and it'll still better than this

How can such projects get approval in US?

@Andrew20vt

6 ай бұрын

Because the guy making this video has no idea what he’s talking about and wants clicks. That clip is at the end of the tunnel so it looks congested. There are emergency exits as well as fire detection and suppression systems throughout.

Imagine a tesla catch fire

Let’s see, electric vehicles that catch fire after accidents, traffic, and a tunnel with no emergency exits… 🤔 Who signed off on this?

What exit do you need you just can run over cars

Not thinking of an emergency....

You get out and walk lol

Flood 💀

I love being crammed in a car that’s crammed in a small tunnel that would be better used for trains

ooo shit it is big issue

Doesn't even appear to have fans moving air!

No thank you

What happened if there's an earthquake

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

You’re safer in a tunnel in an earthquake than above-ground.

@Is_mail22

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 nice argument, why don't you back it up with a source

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@Is_mail22 for sure Ismail: “Damage to Rock Tunnels from Earthquake Shaking Charles H. Dowding , M.ASCE ; and Arnon Rozan Abstract Observation of rock-tunnel response to earthquake motions is compared with calculated peak surface motions for 71 cases to determine damage modes and indices. Damage, ranging from cracking to closure occurred in 41 of the observations. Peak surface motions serve as the principal variables in the study since shaking affects the greatest tunnel mileage, is nonsite specific and has the greatest likelihood of multiple occurrence. The peak motions, calculated from the Richter Magnitude and distance from tunnel to causative fault, and associated damage are campared internally and externally. The internal comparison of earthquake observations yields threshold values of peak motions associated with specific modes of tunnel damage. These thresholds are then externally compared with damaging motions from explosion-test studies to determine the relative conservatism of the threshold values. The results of the comparisons indicate that the damage thresholds are conservative and that tunnels are safer than above-ground structures for a given intensity of shaking.”

@Is_mail22

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 thank you finally, someone doesn't use twitter

That is so stupid and it’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard of, this must be a total scam. That so called Las Vegas tunnel is a freaking joke, and I’m not falling for it. And it is so very dangerous, the tunnel is too small and the space is tight that no motorists cannot get out of their car. Also lacking features in this tunnel system.

How did no man or woman who has experience building tunnels, not say something about safety protocols that have become standards in the industry. No one else would be allowed to construct this ticking time bomb.

@Firstname137

Жыл бұрын

Money, incompetence and Las Vegas

@HistoricalGeology56

11 ай бұрын

Bro this is a pickup station theres not going to be traffic unless its a tesla vehiccle, you cant build something unless its signed off by ALL PARTIES this isnt just a random tunnel in navada💀

Desaster

It’s supposed to be quick and it is faster than being in traffic

True

Totally false. They were pulling up to a large station in Vegas.

Okay, so this is dishonest for MANY reasons. 1 this is a sort of "teaser" rather than the real thing. The real thing DOES have emergency exits all over, every few hundred feet or so. Thats just one thing tho.

Y’all just talking shit off a prototype. His idea has sleds that can get you around at 150mph. I don’t see many traffic jams happening with that speed. He also said he wants to have many levels to the tunnel going as far as 100 levels deep.and if you has someone infront of you going slower than you are I’m sure they would have some type of design to make the car infront of you speed up and possibly you slow down a bit making it so that there’s never cars just not moving. I’m not saying this will ever necessarily happen, it’s been like 2 years since I’ve seen updated videos about any of this happening but you guys can’t knock someone idea or prototype, let the guy make it how he imagined and see what that looks like. Dudes smarter than most of us are. I don’t see any “xxgamerboy900” mfs with billions off of going outside of the box creating cool ass shit

And the actual stations in the Las Vegas Loop are closer together than the emergency exits in subways. The standard for subways is 750m while the Loop tunnels are only 640m each so no emergency exits are needed.

@otozinclus3593

2 жыл бұрын

A subway has way to get smoke out through, the tesla loop doesnt, while a subway also has ways for emerhiency to get in

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 on the contrary, the Loop has a dual-direction high capacity 400,000 cubic feet per minute fire-rated ventilation system in the tunnels and smoke baffles at every station and sprinkler system rated for “Extra Hazard Group 1” in the underground station. If for some reason there is any problem with the tunnel’s huge smoke exhaust fans, those Teslas are all equipped with huge hospital-grade HEPA filters (10x the size and 100x more effective than regular car filters), activated carbon filtration, an acid gas filter, and an alkaline gas filter running on re-circulate creating positive pressure in “Bio-weapons defense” mode to keep all smoke and toxic gases out for the few minutes it takes for the EV to drive to the nearest station where they simply drive right out into the sunshine. Unlike a subway where a thousand people have to crowd out of the train and walk up to 750m to the nearest emergency exit and then climb out.

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 The LVCC Loop also has a dedicated Tesla Tow vehicle, EV carts for emergency services and even the Cybertruck has driven down the Loop test tunnel so no problems for larger emergency vehicles if needed - and they can enter or exit the Loop at any of the stations and drive right down the tunnels to the incident. Good luck doing that with a Subway!

@otozinclus3593

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 Then tell me how many accidents accured in a subway recently, and then tell me how many accidents occured in car traffic? Beside that, like I said subways have way more space and also a ventilation system. And Trains dont have a battery, so their fire can actually get killed. Electric cars fire is near impossible to kill, fireman usually deal with them by simply letting them burn down, because there arent better ways. And due to the bigger space in a subway, there is more time to react to accidents and getting the ventilation going. And an emergiency exit every 750m doesnt mean you have to walk 750m. It means it is at the very worst position 375m away. The vegas loop is small and a burning car can block the way out, so it can turn into a 1 way exit, meaning the worst case distance of the vegas loop is over 600m instead of the 375 of the subway And as said at the start: Accidents caused by trains are incredibly rare, trains are the savest transportation method on earth, while cars are risky. So accidents are way more likely to happen in an underground tunnel with cars, then in an underground tunnel with trains.

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 The NYC subway kills 70 people per year, only half of which are suicides with 2% being people murdered by being pushed off a platform in front of a train and the rest being accidents. There are far more fires on the NYC subway alone every year (1,006 subway fires on tracks, in stations and on trains in 2021) than in all Teslas globally. Or the London Underground which kills 50 people annually and has 4,000 serious injuries every year? Or the Australian rail network that in a single year (2012), “recorded 146 derailments, 14 train-train collisions, 2 train-rolling stock collisions, 62 train-person collisions (13 collisions at level crossings), 125 train-infrastructure collisions and 60 train-road vehicle collisions (49 collisions at level crossings) (ATSB 2012). Between 2003 and 2012, there were 350 Australian unintentional rail fatalities” Or European railways where in 2019, there were 1,516 significant railway accidents, with a total of 802 fatalities and 612 persons seriously injured. (Suicides occurring on railways are reported separately. With 2,313 reported cases). Or US railways where 50% of train engineers (drivers) report they have killed at least one person. Real safe.

It's not traffic, It's basically a pickup station that lines up cars for you to get in. Learn the facts

Lol. There are exits. “Oh no how will get out?” Whilst standing next to flush exit door. I guess they should be painted with red or some eye catching color for meatheads. Weird there was a jam though. I wonder why?

@kevinbailey8827

Жыл бұрын

There was no jam. The traffic slowed. No cars came to a stop. It added about 40 seconds to the journey. It lasted a few minutes. It was more than a year ago and so far it seems to be the worst traffic the loop has seen. To be sure, an accident or just a disabled car would cause a jam. It hasn't happened yet. If it did, they'd have to back out of the tunnel until they could get the stuck car(s) clear. That would be a real hassle for passengers. If you've ever been stuck in real traffic or in a train that's stopped because it hit something or someone on the tracks, or if you're just waiting for a train or plane or taxi that's running late, you know what I mean. Hopefully such disruptions on the loop remain as rare as they've been so far.

self driving cars and tunnels and road in general are beyond stupid. if area had been built with biking in mind and businesses and shops where built with walking in mind and with actual public transport in mind the amount of space saved that could be used to build other stuff would be insane. cars are a huge waste and im not talking and pollution either. its a huge hunk of metal and plastic that is expensive and will likely have u killed. and roads are expensive to maintain. where if u had trains and buses that go everywhere it would be great. it would encourage better social things. cities would not be so loud coz there would be less cars. cars in general are just a really stupid and lazy idea where we only have to think about ourselves and nothing more. but ye

This is cap. This was from a media event. People lying.

CAP FAKE NEWS NOT A BORING TUNNEL…

Obviously. You really need to be sober out of car solution for everything

Lol😂😂

Dumblambert your actually name ?

Every loser hopes Elon musk will fail

That is a death trap, if there were an electrical fire.

@wturner777

6 ай бұрын

Then the hyperloop would become an exhaust pipe. 🔥☠️

NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN, IT'S LESS THAN 100 YRDS LONG

Of course elon fanboys in the comments defending the idea. Then is gonna say just don't take it.

Overused = failing.... Ayayay mate 😂😂😂, you know they get at least 4000 rides per day on that "failing" project right? Oh & did you know this is only the temporary format? The actual loop will not use "only" tesla cars but primarily a small autonomous tesla bus which will at first be the 2 seat robotaxi car they will unveil on 8 august, once that robotaxi is sorted they will actually make that bigger vegas loop bus. Good luck keeping hating i guess 😂

😳

This is fake anyway🤦🏽‍♂️

@wturner777

6 ай бұрын

We all wish it was. Elon Musk must’ve have a lot of money to burn, but could’ve built a proper metro system for the city.

Also, the Loop tunnels are 12.5 foot in diameter which is more than enough to open the doors and get out of the 6 foot wide Tesla EVs. That also happens to be a larger diameter than the 11’ 8” diameter of London Underground tunnels.

@otozinclus3593

2 жыл бұрын

Because you can always walk after an car crash, especially up to 600m while being under shock

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 and no, Loop passengers never have to walk out as there are always other Loop EVs seconds away behind or in front to give the couple of people a lift if they need to evacuate their vehicle. You’re far safer in a Tesla with seat belts surrounded by air bags and a vehicle that NCAP rates as the safest car on the road. Compare that to standing in a train with no seat belts, no air bags and long compartments full of people and luggage that turn into projectiles in a crash.

@forte609

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 been reading ally your replies and its sad.

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@forte609 why’s that Forte? Anything in particular that I’ve said not make sense to you?

People with the least amount of info shouldn't have such strong opinions. It's the very first test tunnel and not the final version. Expansion has already been approved and will include mass transit shuttles.

This thing is a plethora of disasters just waiting to happen.

So his way to fix the traffic is to build an underground tunnel big enough to drive only one car threw at a time .. how is this gonna solve the traffic in Vegas ? Can you imagine being stuck under the tunnel In a cave in ? Stuck under the earth alive in pitch darkness

More like it’s doing to well

I love how he Says traffic, as the tunnel is literally coming to an end😑Sounds like a democrat that can’t stand Elon taking over Twitter.

@jchrist4us

Жыл бұрын

I hope you’re joking

It does have emergency exits. Stop spreading wrong information!

@21cenutryschizoidman53

Жыл бұрын

Ok but was the promise to solve traffic? Seems more dangerous than taking a street

@grassytramtracks

Жыл бұрын

Where are they then?

@markharmon4963

Жыл бұрын

​@21 cenutry schizoid man The promise was to move 4000 people an hour and that promise was exceeded. Which has satisfied all parties. Which explains why the system is expanding.

@jamesrocket5616

Жыл бұрын

@Mark Harmon Source: Trust me bro

@wturner777

6 ай бұрын

Then where are those exits?

Fake video

Shows a business overcrowded with customers: “iS tHiS bUSsInEsS fAiLiNg!?”

@_Bakamunati

2 жыл бұрын

What a dumb analogy. You're comparing a business gaining customers (a good thing) to a claustrophobic tunnel cramped up with Tesla's (a bad thing). Also since there have been reports of Tesla's catching on fire, imagine one blowing up inside this air tight tunnel while in this same scenario, it's a literal death trap! This tunnel was a failure from the beginning.

@yudistiraliem135

Жыл бұрын

@@_Bakamunati not really, overcrowded is a high quality problem for a business, not having anyone caring about your business is a low quality problem for business. You guys just wanted things to fail that you think hoping for something to happens means it will actually happens.

If you have a look at the footage of the so-called “traffic jam” that occurred once at CES, notice how the EVs just slowed down briefly because the South Hall doors were locked for some reason. There are no other videos of this sort of incident ever happening again, not even during the much larger SEMA conference which had 114,00 attendees and had 25,000-27,000 Loop passengers per day vs CES which only had 40,000 attendees who rode the Loop 15,000-17,000 times per day. Now compare this short 40 second slow down against a subway train where passengers have to queue up standing on the platform and wait for literally 3, 5, 10 or even 30 minutes waiting for the next train. And then those poor train passengers have to put up with being crammed standing breathing the COVID of a thousand strangers in the train STOPPING AND WAITING AT EVERY SINGLE STATION before they get to their destination plodding along in the train averaging 17mph across the whole trip. Finally, compare this to Loop passengers who walk into the station, immediately jump into one of the EVs sitting there waiting for them with a waiting time of 15 seconds on average and then travel at high speeds of 30-40mph in a comfy EV in the short LVCC tunnels or 60mph (100km/h) average in the 29 mile Loop right to the front door of their destination without having to stop at any stations on the way. Now which would you prefer?

@otozinclus3593

2 жыл бұрын

The vegas loop is extremely ineffizient and moves only a few thousand people per hour, assuming its completely filled up and 5 people sit in every single car A subway moves this many people in a few minutes. You only need to wait so long for a subway because US doesnt invest anything in subway and therefore itd horrible there. That goes for every transportation that isnt a car in america, making cars the only viable trandportation method there. And as a result, everyone drives a car and nowhere is as much traffic jam, are as bad roads and are as many victims to car accidents then in the US. Beside the enviromental impact and the noise pollution ofcause. Its not possible to move as many people if everyone uses a car for their own, so either you wipe out 90% of humanity, or you start to invest in actual infrastructure like Amsterdam and other places in the netherlands as example, which ends up being actually cheaper. The trains and bikes there are just as fast as a car there, including the time you need to walk to the train station. So either you can build axtual infrastructure, which people enjoy to tale and give them the freedom to use the transportation you want, or you clogg up everything with streets and parking lots resulting in all kinds of problems and traffic jam. You decide

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 Actually, the LVCC Loop moves more people through the turnstiles than most of the subway station platform-pairs in Europe at a cost 100x lower than those subways. There will be about 8 Loop stations for every subway station per mile through the busier parts of Vegas, yet even just the three current LVCC Loop stations moved 25,000 - 27,000 passengers per day during SEMA in November which beats BRT and Light Rail stations and is very competitive with subway stations. 27,000 people per day is: - greater than the number of passengers that 65% of the stations on the London Underground individually handle daily which with 1.8 million passengers per day across 272 stations averages only 6,617 passengers per day PER STATION. - more than the 24,858 passengers per day per line pre-pandemic average of Kings Cross station, the busiest station on the Tube which pre-pandemic had 149,150 entries per day across 6 lines. - more than the average of 13,684 people PER STATION per day of the entire Paris Metro which had a pre-pandemic ridership of 4.16 million per day over 304 stations. - about 70% the 38,888 people per day per platform pair average of the busiest station on the Paris Metro, the Gare Du Nord which pre-pandemic handled 700,000 people per day across 36 platforms. - more than the 14,000 passengers per day per line average of the Stuttgart Main Station S-Bahn which pre-pandemic saw 140,000 passengers across 10 lines through the turnstiles daily. And that is ignoring the fact that most of the subway figures above were from pre-pandemic times. Now, most subways are running at half of those capacities so the performance of the pandemic-affected Loop is even more impressive.

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 and no, there is no noise pollution as the Loop EVs are silent and don't create any environmental impact as they will be charged by the huge solar arrays on the above-ground Loop stations. The Vegas Loop is Tesla EVs dedicated to providing public transport via 34 miles of underground tunnels and 55 stations at the front doors of almost every casino, hotel, the university, the stadium, the airport and other attractions across Vegas. As such, the costs are as follows: - 34 miles of Loop tunnels = FREE (The Boring Co is building them at no cost) - 55 stations = FREE (the 55 hotels, casinos, University, stadium, airport etc are all paying for their own stations at their front doors) Compare that to the $10 billion or so that an equivalent subway capable of moving a similar 57,000 people per hour would cost. Can you see now why this system is potentially so disruptive to the world of public transport?

@otozinclus3593

2 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Franklin Then tell me how many accidents accured in a subway recently, and then tell me how many accidents occured in car traffic? Beside that, like I said subways have way more space and also a ventilation system. And Trains dont have a battery, so their fire can actually get killed. Electric cars fire is near impossible to kill, fireman usually deal with them by simply letting them burn down, because there arent better ways. And due to the bigger space in a subway, there is more time to react to accidents and getting the ventilation going. And an emergiency exit every 750m doesnt mean you have to walk 750m. It means it is at the very worst position 375m away. The vegas loop is small and a burning car can block the way out, so it can turn into a 1 way exit, meaning the worst case distance of the vegas loop is over 600m instead of the 375 of the subway And as said at the start: Accidents caused by trains are incredibly rare, trains are the savest transportation method on earth, while cars are risky. So accidents are way more likely to happen in an underground tunnel with cars, then in an underground tunnel with trains. And you compare the best case average speed of the vegas loop to the *new york* subway average, the new york subway is the *slowest* public railway system on earth. The Amsterdam Metro as example has a speed of 43mph

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 The NYC subway kills 70 people per year, only half of which are suicides with 2% being people murdered by being pushed off a platform in front of a train and the rest being accidents. There are far more fires on the NYC subway alone every year (1,006 subway fires on tracks, in stations and on trains in 2021) than in all Teslas globally. Or the London Underground which kills 50 people annually and has 4,000 serious injuries every year? Or the Australian rail network that in a single year (2012), “recorded 146 derailments, 14 train-train collisions, 2 train-rolling stock collisions, 62 train-person collisions (13 collisions at level crossings), 125 train-infrastructure collisions and 60 train-road vehicle collisions (49 collisions at level crossings) (ATSB 2012). Between 2003 and 2012, there were 350 Australian unintentional rail fatalities” Or European railways where in 2019, there were 1,516 significant railway accidents, with a total of 802 fatalities and 612 persons seriously injured. (Suicides occurring on railways are reported separately. With 2,313 reported cases). Or US railways where 50% of train engineers (drivers) report they have killed at least one person. Real safe.

It’s called a prototype! Stop the negative

@otozinclus3593

2 жыл бұрын

Even if it would work without traffic jam, cars are incredibly unefficient and its a totally stupid idea, because its incredibly expensive and unsave and damaging, while offering barely any capazity

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 on the contrary, the Loop is very competitive with subways capacity-wise while being faster and VASTLY cheaper The current 0.8 mile long three-station LVCC Loop handles up to 27,000 people per day, has a 3 - 6 second headway and cost $48.7m which is very competitive ridership-wise with the similarly short subways listed below. However, the Loop is FAR better in terms of comfort, speed and frequency/wait times, and VASTLY cheaper to build than any of these subway systems: The Berlin U55 is a 3-station 1.5km subway in the centre of Berlin which is similar in size to the LVCC Loop but it only carries a minuscule 6,200 people per day (compared to the Loop’s 27,000 ppd) at an average speed of 19mph and 5 minute headway and yet cost $500 million in today’s dollars in total, 10x the cost of the LVCC Loop. The Seattle U-Link is a 3.15-mile underground light rail which also has 3 stations which had a ridership of 33,900 people per day pre-covid (so only a few thousand more than the LVCC Loop), though it is much less now. Runs at an average speed of 31mph. It cost $1.9 billion dollars in total or $600 million per mile, 39x more than the LVCC Loop. The San Francisco Central Subway is a 3-station 1.7 mile subway with a targeted ridership of 35,000 people per day with a 5 minute headway and an average speed of a miserable 9.6mph and cost $1.578 billion, 32x the cost of the Loop. (Whether it achieves that ridership which is only a few thousand higher than the Loop during this pandemic is of course yet to be seen) The Newark City Subway/light rail is a 6.4 mile, 17 station line with an average speed of 21.5mph and has a daily ridership of 19,289 and cost $208m for the 1 mile above-ground light rail portion or 4x the cost of the underground Loop. I’m not sure of the cost of the underground portion of the Newark subway, typical costs start at $600m per mile. As you can see, the LVCC Loop is extremely competitive, though that is nothing compared to the 55 station, 34 mile Vegas Loop with its 60mph average speed and 57,000 people per hour capacity which is now under-construction at ZERO cost to the taxpayer.

@otozinclus3593

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewfranklin4429 @Andrew Franklin You should notice yourself that your numbers dpnt make sense. You take the *maximum capacity* of the vegas loop and compare it to the *average amount of people* the subway transports. I hope you notice how you cant compare these two. Especially because you compare low demand train tracks with WW2 trains which dont even exist anymore with the *maximum* capacity of the loop. First of all: Max. capacity is totally different from the people actually getting moved, because traffic is not always at the same demand. At 3am nearly nobody wants to move, while at 7am its rush hour and nearly every single citizen is trying to get to work. And that means, outside of rush hour you will transport only a fraction of your maximum capacity. The Vegas loop also calculates with atleast 4 (maybe more) people sitting in each car. And if you watch any cars on the street, the vast majority only drives with a single person inside of them, meaning you can already quarter the actual max capacity. The people who used the loop since it was build, which is about a year, were 700000. Thats 1900 a day of people who actually get moved. Most trains you mentioned move about 10-15times as mich per day and this despite being crippled down with bad trains to reduced maintainance cost Second: You compare trains with *multiple stops* and compare it to the loop with no stops. While the Teslas themself dont need to stop, adding more destinations means more conplex traffic, meaning you have to slow down more often because there are more crossings with other cars and more chances to create traffic jam. Thirdly: The subway ist safe, the loop not. And with save I also mean consistent. If you have a subway, it will work fairly consistently. There are accidents which can cause trains to come too late, or in worst case some trains to not come at all, but thats the very worst that can happen. The vegas loop will stop working for hours every time there is a car crash and car crashes are common. And all these people then try to get a different transportation method. A train accident which lasts for an hour at worst case, because its never a crash and mostly minor stuff, already creates a big mess, but now imagine you cant use them for literal hours and that accidents like these are common, while you have to evacuate everyone inside everytime something happens. This would stop an entire city from working if you exapand the loop. But lets get back to capacity: The U55 doesnt exist anymore, so I dont know why you used this line as example. It was build literally only for politicans and tourists, because regular people just use the S Bahn. The U55 was only build for people who traveled from far away to Berlin and instantly want to see the Reichstag and Brandenburger Tor, thats why it is also called "Kanzlerbahn" (Kanzler is the german leader) because the politicans used it quite a lot. It was using only 2 WW2 trains, because there simply wasnt the need for more. Even before it was build most people were against this line because it wasnt worth it, since nobody will use it. So I have no clue why you choosed a totally crippled line never ment to move people using WW2 technologie to conpare the loop to, but I guess thats the only line which gets even close to the loop in shi**iness. But its funny that its capacity of this total trash line is still higher than the one of the vegas loop. The U55 moved each year 2.3million people. The Vegas loop moves in its entire life time until now, which is roughly a year *but* we just act like its only open for 6 months, since I guess people had to get used to it, 700,000 people. If we like I already said double it, just that you cant say something was unfair, its 1.4million people a year. So: This total trash line using WW2 technologie called U55 still moved far more people than the Vegas loop. Thanks for proving that even the worst subway possible is still more efficient than the loop is. You also didnt calculate the maintainance cost. Build cost is very low compared to the cost to keep it alive. Roads have a very high maintainance cost compared to rails, because roads get damaged more and there are more cars moving over it per person. Just think about it: A single U55 train cart moves up to 235 people and has 4 Wheels on a steel rail. If you would move that many people by car, you would have 58 cars (assuming 4 people drive in a single car, which nearly nobody does so you should actually calc with 200 cars). So, what causes more damage: 58 cars driving on the same stone, or a single train car driving on steel. And beside that: You compare the vegas loop only to extremely short Subways. If you wouldved actually built a good subway system instead of the loop, you wouldve been able to connect the subway. The vegas loop is a closed system, so that doesnt work with it. If we look at wnergy efficiency, the vegas loop completely dies of too. And lastly: The Vegas loop is especially hard to compare because only rich people take it and because they have to sign up for it beforehand, meaning you can better regulate the capacity yiu need (because you can only take it if you visit an event, so the visitors of the event shows the loop how many people will come). And these people are rich and take the loop usually only once a while. If you take a transportation method for the first time, you pay way more attention and drive way better. Meaning: Once the loop gets expanded and people use it more regulary the attention shared decreases and crashes + traffic jams will increase. Cars can never reach the capacity of trains, even if you do it like you did and compare the wordt trains on the world with the loop. *Realistically* you need over a hundred cars to mive as many people as a single train does, its simply impossible to make a bunch of small vehicles as efficient as a single train, because cars have to distance tjemself from each other a ton. And lastly: Modt of the trains you mentioned here *can* move way more people. They move little people because there simply isnt more demand, but if demand increases you can simply add more cars to the trains and each car increases capacity about a few hundred people. Meaning: If forwhatever reason the S BAHN stops working and people take the U55 more often because of that, you can simply add more cars to the train and heaviely increase the max. capacity, which ofcause is still lesd than the one of the s Bahn, but would massively help to manage this crisis. The vegas loop through? You cant increase capacity much further, there are at active times already the maxinum amount of cars possible, you cant add any more. Quite the opposite would happen, traffic jam would accure and the capacity would *decrease*.

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 On the contrary Otozinclus, 25,000 - 27,000 ppd is by no means the maximum that the current LVCC Loop can carry, it is merely the average Loop ridership during a medium-size multi-day convention of conference attendees. If it was a maximum, we would see queues lining up outside each Loop station, but we don’t - every video posted to the net shows passengers descending the escalators, walking over to a bay and jumping straight into an EV within a few seconds. And there are many ways that the LVCC Loop can increase daily ridership. Firstly by increasing the size of events at the convention centre. Remember that The LVCC Loop is only currently designed to operate during conventions and only activates all 70 EVs in the Loop when medium-large conventions are on so it doesn’t make sense to include all the days when the Loop is not actually open so your comparison to the Loop’s annual ridership is not logical. The 25,000 - 27,000 people per day figure is just the average Loop ridership during a pandemic-affected medium-size multi-day convention of 114,000 conference attendees. We haven’t yet seen what the ridership of the Loop is like during a really large convention like what CES used to be like pre-pandemic when it had 180,000 attendees which is what the Loop was designed to handle. (CES only had 40,000 attendees this year with 15,000 - 17,000 people per day riding the Loop) This fact highlights that this comparison is unfairly weighted against the Loop as we are comparing pre-pandemic figures for subways against pandemic-affected figures for the Loop. If we were being really accurate, we would actually be using pandemic-affected figures for subways which are still anywhere from 20% - 60% lower than pre-pandemic for most subway systems worldwide.

@andrewfranklin4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@otozinclus3593 Secondly we can increase the capacity of the Loop by increasing the occupancy of the EVs. In all the videos you will see only around 2-3 people getting into each EV, but each Model Y can seat 5 people (the Loop Model X’s can seat 6). Thirdly they could increase the headway in the tunnels. At the moment, the Loop vehicles are allowing around 6 seconds of distance between each EV or around 20-30 car lengths at 30mph. TBC is planning for headways of 0.9 seconds (5 car lengths at 60mph) in the main arterial tunnels of the Loop which will allow those tunnels to support 4,000 EVs per hour which with 2.5 passengers gives 10,000 passengers per hour. With 4 passengers per EV, a 0.9 second headway gives 16,000 people per hour down just that one arterial tunnel. If the 4 spur tunnels of the LVCC Loop had that headway, that is a total system ridership approaching 4 x 16,000 = 64,000 people per HOUR. Fourthly, they could add higher capacity EV vans or buses or eventually the 16-person pods shown in CGI renders of the Loop. The reason they haven’t done so yet is because they don’t need higher capacity yet. Steve Hill, CEO of the LVCVA said back in May last year when asked about higher capacity vehicles in the LVCC Loop: “It seems that during a pandemic is not the time to be increasing capacity”.

It does have emergency exists you donut lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂😂 it's failing so much they are expanding it to 70 miles. Lmfao

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