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@robertchmielecki2580

7 ай бұрын

We are blessed to have both :) And yes, I can list different things that make each of them is better than the other.

@joshhuck4046

2 ай бұрын

DOS2 > BG3. Combat in DOS2 Is so much more immersive. Everything you do can impact the entire tide of the battle. BG3s battle system seemed geared toward not thinking as much. In DOS, you needed to get up high for spells and bows. Doesn’t really matter in BG3. In DOS2, you needed to plan elemental attacks whereas it wasn’t as important in BG3.

The weird thing for me is they are both masterpieces in their own rights. Ill be in the mood for DOS2 or BG3 sometimes. Larian has struck gold in this genre. I cant wait to see what comes after BG3

@L0rd_0f_g8m1ng

7 ай бұрын

Divinity Original Sin 3

@sirownzalotgaming3025

7 ай бұрын

If I had to Guess BG4. It was probably DOS3 but they probably said screw it turn this into bg4 make more money.

@user-vt9xr6fe5h

7 ай бұрын

perhaps a “Zariel’s gate” is a possibility 😂

@quinnnye3032

7 ай бұрын

@@sirownzalotgaming3025 If following their original plans, BG3 is the last to be run on the current engine. DOS3 is tentatively next on a brand new engine.

@ingolf82

7 ай бұрын

DoS 3 of course

I cannot wait for DOS III to implement all they've learned from BG3. I personally love the tone of both DOS games as I find RPGs are just much better when they don't take themselves too seriously. But Divinity is so great and I love actions points in combat, you can really do some creative things with them.

@nyarparablepsis872

7 ай бұрын

Troll toll! Troll toll!

@dundalis

7 ай бұрын

I find it hard to care about anything in RPGs that don’t take themselves seriously though even though I appreciate humor. I didn’t care about anything in DS1 really, DS2 more so but I hope they lean more into the serious side and keep humor secondary.

@reignmans

7 ай бұрын

@@dundalis weakest points for me... the dumb humor for no reason and the story. story wasnt good.

@skeletonwar4445

7 ай бұрын

​@@dundalisSerious stories only work if they're actually compelling, which most CRPG stories aren't.

@raghavjack

7 ай бұрын

@@skeletonwar4445 W opinion. Most CRPGs are just fun games which shouldnt take itself way too seriously. I mean you have character creation in the beginning, you cannot have your own custom character in a deep compelling story, it has to be pre written to work well with other characters.

The cutscenes with bg3 are what carry it to be the better game. It cannot be understated how powerful they are for telling the story

@Quakez0r

7 ай бұрын

But that's just that... Cutscenes. I don't think cutscenes are enough to make a GAME better.

@MauriceTarantulas

7 ай бұрын

​@@Quakez0rExactly!

@kaic5225

7 ай бұрын

divinity story and characters are better to me, plus a couple of things here and there on the combat side, but bg3 have better setting, map, character performance and the fight system i think its more enjoyable.

@arjungossain1532

7 ай бұрын

I have been playing divinity 2 again and this is 100% the most noticeable difference

@idriveahybrid5366

7 ай бұрын

@@Quakez0rI greatly disagree. Video games are still a visual medium you can’t just say the “video” part doesn’t matter. Going from all text to cinematic mo-cap cutscenes is a huge leap especially for crpgs

Divinity Original Sin 2 will always be my personal Number 1

@marktuttle6003

5 ай бұрын

Jesus wept….again

@Flirt136

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely in the same boat. Divinity will always have a special place in my heart

The next Larian game is what i am looking forward to. This is the first time, that it is about the developer itself. I really love the games Larian delivers.

@strahnbrad3979

6 ай бұрын

I hope, and PRAY (even as an atheist), that Larian gets their shit together and NOT implement D&D rules on their next game!!!

@joeykyle492

5 ай бұрын

@@strahnbrad3979you make it sound like that’s all they’ve done? Of course the D&D game they just released has D&D rules?

@strahnbrad3979

5 ай бұрын

@@joeykyle492 well I'm sorry if I sounded bitter but this so-called D&D rules made their game more complicated than it should be!! I don't hate the tabletop game itself but I hate when it gets implemented to video games!!!!

@joeykyle492

5 ай бұрын

@@strahnbrad3979 personally I think it’s just a matter of getting used to it. Since I’ve played a bit of dnd, I think the games system is very easy to understand.

@AstarionWifey

4 ай бұрын

@@strahnbrad3979bruh how was it hard? 😂

I think we are all in agreement that DOS 3 is gonna be amazing.

@johanax9867

6 ай бұрын

Imagine DOS with BG3 cinematic dialogues

@halfknots

4 ай бұрын

I just heard Larin is moving away from cRPGs

@alexkolestik7441

4 ай бұрын

where did you hear that.

@johanax9867

4 ай бұрын

@@halfknots They are moving away from DnD and aren't going to make any content for baldurs gate 3. They are not moving away from cRPG's. DOS is not a part of DnD.

@Teachermook

4 ай бұрын

Whew! Glad to hear that. Honestly I'd love to see what they do with another rpg system. Or if they use their engine from these two bangers in a new way.

Wizards of the Coast doesn't want a DM mode in BG3 because it would be too much of a competitor for their new virtual table top for DnD that they are currently developing, at least in my opinion.

As someone who had never played D&D but loved BG3, I’m very interested in checking out DOS as well. This video was really informative for me. Thanks!

@enjumamoru6513

7 ай бұрын

divinity original sin 2 is amazing :d baldur for me is 9,5 divinity original sin 2 for me is 9 both are very good. divinity original sin 1 have much worse graphic and is smaller so ur choice xd but 2 is masterpiece

@skeletonwar4445

7 ай бұрын

As someone in the same boat as you, I can only recommend it. I felt like BG3 kind of limited itself by shackling itself to the DnD systems, which made DOS2 more fun for me personally.

@rasmasyean

7 ай бұрын

DOS2 is like KOTOR. If you like DnD, you have to play DOS2, just like if you like Star Wars, you have to play KOTOR (free on prime for the holiday, btw).

@redbeardnj

6 ай бұрын

​@@skeletonwar4445same with me. I liked DOS2 better also.

@Soradakanizat

6 ай бұрын

@@rasmasyeanKOTOR is unplayable in 2024 unfortunately. At least for me. It’s a 20 year old game and way too outdated

I think you broke down the key differences and strong points of both games really well here, they're both spectacular games but they do things differently enough to incentivise playing both for different reasons

I like DOS 2 over BG3 because I am not limited to how many time I can cast my spells. In BG3 I can cast them 2 times then short rest which has a limit. I like basic mana systems, cast spells -> uses mana. Low on mana -> drink potion. I hate being limited to hoarding my spells in case a bigger fight is ahead.

@Rai2M

3 ай бұрын

DnD restrictions.

@sonic-bb

2 ай бұрын

its the d&d restrictions for balance and lore. mages become extremely over powered in d&d. To keep players from starting off over powered, mages have spell usage limits. In lore, originally, d&d tried to be "realistic" in a sense. You adventure for a bit, get tired, rest, then continue ur adventure. Kinda like going for a hike then fighting a bear and wanting to rest after. Combat engagements were spread out far enough that realistically, ur character should and realistically would take a break inbetween confrontations. p.s. i know you didnt ask. But just wanted to share for context

One big point in BG3's favor that you didn't really touch on are the roleplaying and exploration aspects of it. D:OS2's combat is more fun, IMHO, but outside of combat, I have way more fun in BG3. Many conversations are almost as engaging as combat in BG3, and I rarely felt that way in D:OS2

@chocolatine1690

7 ай бұрын

the reaper coast ( dos:2 second act ) is a very big open area i'd say, it's probably as big as bg3 3rd act in terms of map size is really amazing to explore with tons and tons of mini dungeons , animal npcs, dead npc spirits and secret areas

@robertjenkins417

7 ай бұрын

​@@chocolatine1690I don't mean the size of the map, I mean the depth of the gameplay while exploring and having conversations.

@lootador1

7 ай бұрын

100% agree. And for that reason, to me DOS1 is better than 2, i prefer the combat in 1, the armor system in 2 limited the combat, the spells

@ezeess7239

7 ай бұрын

oh man i found outside of combat very tedious, having to always go back to camp to refresh spells and stuff.

@Cloudmaster1511

6 ай бұрын

nah the story, exploration and actions-depth in divinity overshadows EVERY other game. i mean, where would you find a game where you can go out of your way to make a pact with an ancient god, a demon and/or sell your literal soul for gold? this game makes exploration SO immersive its undescribably perfect

I agree, ..A DOS3 or what ever Larian Game with basically the combat system and character building system + the not mentioned crafting options/opportunities of DOS2 (maybe all a bit more advanced due to technology development since 2017) + the storytelling quality and cinematics of BG3 would be my personal all time RPG heaven.

I like DOS 2 more, but BG3 is still great.

@L0rd_0f_g8m1ng

7 ай бұрын

Me too

I have not played either of the divinity games. But you just convinced me to buy it tonight.

Both 2 are of my all time favs, stories are different but how the story is told and gameplay isn't much different, both are amazing. BG3 takes the spot for me though, it's just so beautiful. Larian is what Bioware now lacks.

@mitchellspratlin3432

Ай бұрын

Imagine bioware and Larian making a star wars game together lol :o

My crew of 4 had more fun playing through DOS II than we did BG3 but that isn't to say we didn't have fun with BG3. Both are amazing games in their own right and I had more fun doing a solo playthrough of BG3 than I did DOS II. I think the pace of battle lends DOS II to being a better multiplayer game. Time between turns in BG3 can be pretty long due to the methodical nature of combat.

@smoke9047

7 ай бұрын

Same! Playing BG3 with my friends is kind of annoying. I was hoping it would be more like SWTOR, but when I play BG3 solo it is so much more fun IMO.

@Zemorg

7 ай бұрын

Agree!

@sparkyspinz9897

7 ай бұрын

​@@smoke9047it's because BG3 is much more story and dialogue heavy than DOS2. Half the game IS just talking. Friends doing dumb stuff, talking to people without you, and all that stuff can ruin the game a bit. Divinity you can just rush your way through haphazardly doing cool shit and have a blast

@skeletonwar4445

7 ай бұрын

​@@sparkyspinz9897Yeah, this was very noticeable for me and my friends. A lot of BG3's upsides compared to DOS2 have to do with the story of the companions. Stories that you're gonna kind of have to ignore or at least pay less attention to, if you're doing multiplayer.

@GabrielPassarelliG

3 ай бұрын

I think BG3 is a game so focused in decisions and narratives, that playing co-op might be detrimental of that aspect of player agency and decision making. After all, you'll have to agree with your partner how you'll both play. DOS seems like less dependable of story moments and more combat and exploration bound, so I might be more fun to play with friends.

I have to agree with everything in this video, all the points you made are spot on with what I think. Even the decision. Fantastic video.

Companions are pretty good in DOS2. However, the fact that they completely ignore each other is inexcusable.

@GMOTP5738

5 ай бұрын

oh boo hoo 🙄

@rushpatriot2866

2 ай бұрын

​@@GMOTP5738You're right boo hoo bg3 is better

@harper3579

28 күн бұрын

​@@GMOTP5738 @rushpatriot2866 you guys fully missed the point of this comment. Way to go fostering a toxic community by downing on this guy instead of adding constructive criticism or challenging the argument.

@johjoh9270

14 күн бұрын

Red Prince and Sebille: you wut? But yeah I get what you mean

@HSE331

Күн бұрын

@@harper3579"oh my science i cant roleplay having friends and having sex so this GAME is better because it allows me to do that regardless of quality of gameplay or anything else"

Great video! I'm thinking about summoning for Khamet too. The nerf to Boreas is noticable and I'm really not ok with it.

Well made video! Totally well supported argument and defensible conclusion!

I never finished DOS2, I had about 45 hours in before dropping it due to life and work circumstances at the time. I've since finished BG3 and now I'm itching to start Divinity 2 fresh all over again just for the experience, and I know Larian already put the good work into it already anyway.

A good comparison =) I love `em both ofc, but if I had to choose Id take DoS2. Lohse might be my favorite charracter of gaming. (Close one with Sephiroth) +like Fex said, the combat! In BG3 I wanted the combat to be over with so can see the story. In DoS2 I was looking forward to any combat. ..it may be that I have been a tabletop roleplayer for over 30 years and newer cared of D20-base systems.

It’s kind of like the last record a band puts out on an indie label vs their major label debut. For many bands, those two records end up being the best of their careers. I wonder if these two games will end up being the best that Larian ever put out.

We've been so excited for the xbox release of bg3 only to find that split screen isnt a thing yet....so this is actually a little comforting since we've loved playing dos2 over and over again. Usually trying different builds and characters 🥰

I love both games. DOS2 for its cheeky tone (which, let's admit, was already way toned down when compared to DOS1), the combat, customisation, basically all the things you mention in the video. BG3 is shinier and feels more personal, and the sheer amount of RP choices with the world's reactivity is really something. I am very much looking forward to DOS3, as I'm positive Larian will combine the best of both games (climbing on boxes!).

@noitsjustcody

6 ай бұрын

As someone who only recently played their first run of DOS1 after multiple runs of DOS2, I am glad they toned it down a bit. I absolutely love the tone of DOS2, but DOS1 was just too goofy at times. The skeleton designs were dorky, and that one enemy that kept screaming rhymes like "tweedledee tweedledoo" mid battle is an incredibly vivid memory for the wrong reasons lol.

I haven't seen any awesome DOS2 custom Dungeon Master adventures, where can I find some?

I haven't played DOS2, but you make a good pitch for it! I may try it in a few months.

DoS2 is a special game for me. I discovered it while going through a rough couple of months and being able to look forward to and escape while playing through the game made a huge difference for me personally. I do also love BG3 and thankfully times ended up getting better by the time it came around, but I'll always have DoS2 on a slightly higher pedestal because of how it provided some respite during those darker times.

Only two things I felt about DoS2 which were superior was build diversity with BG3 limiting itself in the mid and lategame due to not making adjustments to the 5e rules and some of the companion questlines where we don't even really have some for quite a few of the BG3 characters.

You nailed it with how good the elemental interactions are in dos 2. Playing as an elemental wizard in that game had to be my favorite build of any rpg I’ve played

@SereglothIV

Ай бұрын

My favourite party build in DOS2 is water+air wizard and shadowblade lone wolfs. Enemies rarely even get a chance to make a move, as they are constantly stunned, frozen, knocked down or transformed into a chicken :D

My main wish for DOS3 would be removal of the memory and source point systems. Out of the two I'm more ok with dealing with the source point system, but my group just agreed to use mods to remove the memory system completely. As for the source points, I just tend to dislike how limited they "can" feel. There was a spot in Act II with an infinite source that we could use which was nice. But I always found myself holding onto the points for some encounter that felt "worth" using them up for, but almost never using them. I wouldn't mind a once per entire combat type skill or something along those lines though.

@skeletonwar4445

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, this was also my personal worst thing about bg3. Spell slots and rest cooldowns felt as if *every single* ability and spell were on the same, annoying limit as Source skills. Especially since, just like Source Points, you can just infinitely replenish charges and slots out of combat with zero downside. Just annoying, not difficult.

My one and only gripe with DOS:2 was that since you xp for ALL combat meant that solutions other than combat left you noticeably weaker for longer. In fact I more or less found I had to murder EVERYONE in the first zone because it made a significant difference in how fast I leveled. Still though one of my favorite turn based combat rpgs ever.

@SereglothIV

Ай бұрын

Yeah, unfortunately. You can either sneak out of Fort Joy at level 4 or murder everyone inside and leave at level 6 😅

Watching the video and just wanted to say, this is an excellent video idea

Just started playing DOS2 this week after playing BG3 earlier this year. So far I'm absolutely in love with it, the combat especially is really great and I prefer the AP economy to Actions. I find the story a bit less engaging due to the lack of cutscenes but it's still quite a bit better than some other CRPGs I've played like Wasteland 2 where not all characters are even voiced.

On balance probably prefer BG3, love the story and the characters but I probably do prefer the combat in DOS2. DOS3 with the production values and scope of BG3 would be incredible. But to be honest anything Larian do will be a day 1 purchase for me.

I'm looking at joining friends in BG3, and am currently toward the end of DOS2, so this was very informative. I like the combat in DOS2, but my PS4 version crashes way more than it should, and toward endgame some of those encounters are quite long, so if I forgot to save, well, there's an hour wasted. Never played DND but interested and looking forward to playing with real live friends again in BG3. Was pretty big into WOW back in the day, and have been missing that component. Even FFXIV didn't quite hit that social mark for me.

I like random items a little bit more (surprise), but I like the effects on stuff more in BG3. I like the div2 characters a decent amount more but like how there is more content in bg3. I like the dialogues and choices more in BG3. I like the elemental focus and action point system more for combat, but like the BG3 combat improvements such as alll party members can move at the same time. I like the leveling in dos2 more also. Difficulty is better in dos2 i find. The thing that carries BG3 is cinematics and open-world exploration and size. The amount of content is dope, and the polish is nice.

In Div 2 and BG3, are you able to trade and/or buy from other real players in the game?

BG3 has Lore I’m familiar with as well as rules. I found DOS1 too much “figure it out yourself” and the fact that they mixed the quest and general info log together made it hard to decipher what I was supposed to be doing. Sounds like this was fixed in DOS2, but I haven’t played that yet. Regardless, I guess because I’ve played D&D since a youngster, especially the BG series, that’s where my heart is too. Again it’s familiarity with the whole D&D systems. I want to try DOS2 though as I did like some aspects of DOS1.

While playing DOS 2 back when it came out, I would just sit and listen to the music pretty often. It really blew me away, and the touch of letting you change the soundtracks main instrument. I always went with the cello, it was just too haunting and beautiful.

I utterly loved both, my two favorite games since Skyrim, but I would give the edge to DOS2 due to its more engaging combat mechanics. In BG3, sheer damage output trumps everything, whereas in DOS2 crowd control is pivotal which gives combat a more strategic and challenging appeal. Lets just say that I used MANY more resurrection scrolls in DOS2 than in BG3 hehehe. That being said, the script writing and cinematic production of BG3 is in a different level altogether.

@antonytomas1

7 ай бұрын

Hmm idk. In DOS2 damage is all that matters. Once you break an enemy's armor (with damage) all you need to do is CC them for one turn and they're dead.

@robertchmielecki2580

7 ай бұрын

That was one of the things I notice - DOS2 combat has less RNG, is more about positioning and types of armour affect target priority. These things make it more tactical and interesting than in BG3.

@jam34786

7 ай бұрын

Agree. DOS2 was my first turn based RPG and I loved the combat once I put some time in. It had its problems (constitution being useless for example) but felt much more engaging. BG3 definitely feels more dumbed down combat wise and feels a lot easier but that's okay. It's a wonderful game and I love it!

@enman009

7 ай бұрын

For real, Divinity 2 feels like it's less RNG and damage dependant. You really have to think on your positions and the enemy's so you can create damage points through environmental hazards or AOE attacks. Even the fact that you have to break armor gives options to which type you use and how much power you put into certain enemies.

@rasmasyean

7 ай бұрын

@@antonytomas1 Yeah, right. Try playing Blind Honour mode and see if you still think "DOS2 damage is all that matters". You must have played like story mode.

I told people that I preferred DOS 2 because of the combat being better, (and I played both on release on PlayStation)as the BG3 combat felt restrictive, and some friends couldn't understand why. And i think this video has a point that i didn't think about, the customization. I could be a dual wielding swordsman with lightening magic in DOS 2, and that just makes for such a better experience for me, including being able to make choices that even out my party members, and make them a more cohesive team. (also just think the DOS 2 spells looked and were cooler compared to the BG3 spells). Also I'm not the biggest fan of the D&D long/short rest mechanic. I appreciate the motion capture in BG3, but that doesn't make a game for me. I must admit, seeing and performing certain dice rolls, is fun, but the action point system is also better than the D&D action per turn system as well. It's like I'd rather play DOS 2 any day, and it's not even close. But i like BG3.

@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065

7 ай бұрын

Long rest is especially egregious, they tried to add some story there to make it more palatable but i still wouldn't miss the system if they've done away with it

@skeletonwar4445

7 ай бұрын

​@@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065I think the worst part is that it doesn't even actually limit anything, since a good 98% of the game is completely unaffected by how much you rest. All it does it create the illusion of limitation and delay the more fun parts of the game.

Will be able to carry over my characters from Div 2 to Div 3? Is it the kind of game you want to keep grinding even after max level and hope to get specific loot?

I really love the whimsy of dos2, and I'm also a fan of the dragon age games and dragon age origins especially had a much darker, serious (sometimes even horror) tone that I also really love. I think both tones have their place and both are extremely enjoyable depending on the mood you're in. My main complaint with both dos2 and bg3 is the lack of a codex. dos2 has a sort of minimal codex in the quest journal section, but there is no real thorough codex like you can find in the dragon age games. I know I'm probably in the minority, but I will read every codex entry in a game (except some of the combat ones that I already know), and I think a well-written codex (see: dragon age) can do so much to flesh out a world and make the world and the lore feel truly alive.

It's a very helpful comparison video. I'm thinking of getting the Divinity Original Sin 1 + 2 bundle now becuase it's on sale for 82% off. I'm comfortable with holding off on BG3 for now, waiting for a bigger discount and bug fixing.

I have been wondering about this ever since I started playing BG3. And my conclusion is that each game has something going for it and in the end I just love them both equally for what they are. Here are some of my personal highlights: Divinity: combat system, music Baldur's Gate: graphics, storytelling (cutscenes, camp interactions) both equally: companions, story

I think one of the main things is if you played DoS2 first you may well have fallen in love with the game like no other. No one had ever done what that game did before. I don't think you can get that same feeling again, even iif BG3 does many things better. DoS2 had my going "oh my god I cannot believe they did this" so many times. BG3 was just a higher budget and more refined extension of that. It didn't have the same novelty. Of course if you play BG3 first you'll probably have a very different perspective. DoS2 wowed me with it's cleverness, it's freedom, and made me laugh and cry many times. And often laugh and cry at the same time. And I'll never forget the Loshe ending. It's also a shame that DoS2 starts so lowkey and silly, I know a lot of people didn't get far enough to see how great it becomes.

@sonic-bb

2 ай бұрын

its true what you say. i played baldurs gate 1 &2 and icewind dale first. Neverwinter nights as well. and they basically feal like what divinity original sin 2 felt like (outside of combat). So for me, divinity didnt do anything first. The most unique thing was being able to interact with the environment. But elder scrolls games already had that 😅 still loved divinity tho

Dos2 overall better story, better "world" and most importantly the combat is more fun: I find D&D combat abilities to be quite boring honestly. My Lae'Zel spent 200 hours fending with a greatsword with no special moves whatsoever. Effective but boring.

@FreeFlow__

24 күн бұрын

better story? what?

@azzart979

24 күн бұрын

@@FreeFlow__ BG3 has obviously an overall better storytelling and richer dubbing thanks to its cinematic approach and higher budget, but in the end it’s the usual same old boring Forgotten Realms story I’ve been experiencing for more than 20 years. DOS2 was a breeze of fresh air in this sense.

@FreeFlow__

24 күн бұрын

@@azzart979 Dude i give you everything else but the story completely sucks and i am not comparing it with the one from bg. Plus the tone is also weird, where you are supposed to take things seriously but you just cant.

I think Solasta needs to be mentioned alongside BG3 as a modern definitive dnd experience. It’s far from perfect but Id say it’s almost closer to dnd than BG3 was and has far more of the more modern dnd customization choices for race and class

@emvee1

7 ай бұрын

I was really disappointed when Larian didn't end up going with a vertical movement mechanic for fly like Solasta. There are definitely some things Solasta did mechanics wise better than BG3 which is interesting. I'm hoping they start a new IP that uses everything they have learned.

I enjoyed DOII more. The spell rest system really annoyed me in BG3.

@skeletonwar4445

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, everything being on rest-based charges made combat an annoying chore rather than a fun playground.

@empirednw6624

7 ай бұрын

Ya, because of that crap my first character I made was just a fighter so I didn’t have to deal with that on my main character. Clerics feel totally gimped because of the spell rest system.

@skeletonwar4445

7 ай бұрын

@@empirednw6624 Yeah. It feels fine later on but the early levels are a huge pain in the ass.

I loved DOS2 and I'm really looking forward to finally getting my hands on BG3. I have no doubts it'll live up to the hype!

I don't know which one of these games is the better one, but i do know that i like DOS 2 OST more. It simply manages to give me the chills even after years i've done my first playthrough.

The major thing i like more about DoS is that it is the studios ip letting them do what ever they want with the material where as BG3 is D&D ip and limited to that lore and game mechanics. Both good. I dont like whimisical. I greatly prefer darker stories. I also dont like feeling like i should play a premade character for story vs making my own. Both games do this. DoS synergies in combat with elements and environments is way more interesting imo. I cant wait for a DOS3. Wizards of the Coast is a shit company and Larian doesnt need their IP to sale games.

My favorite thing about BG3 is how insane it promises DOS3 will be. If DOS3 has the storytelling and depth of BG3 story, it will be the single best game to ever be made

The way the cutscenes work and the way you can see your companions better make you care more about what’s happening

Totally agree with this. My absolute favourite thing in DOS2 was levelling up, making those tough decisions about what to put points into, making a fun build for combat etc. In BG3 I was always so disappointed when levelling up, it wasn't fun at all. I'm definitely more of a combat/character customisation player than a story player.

@hanli5416

6 ай бұрын

More a story player here, never managed to finish a single larian game cause their stories or better said their general world feel somehow annoyed me. I knew they made great games, but their storytelling somehow annoyed me. Originally i was scared for BG3 cause of this. I finished bg2 over 8 times afterall unlike larian games. Glad to say the forgotten realms setting offset the weird way larian usually manages to put me off.

@cornwelj

6 ай бұрын

Welcome to the inherent flaw in most D20 systems - limited opportunity for character customisation as you level up. Your chosen class dictates largely what you gain at each level and when with limited choice. It’s why I avoid d20 rpgs like the plague.

@sonic-bb

2 ай бұрын

@@cornwelj i mean they also simplified it for BG3. Pretty sure you definitely get more options in 5th edition table top

I can’t wait for DOS 3, I’m sure it’ll have cutscenes now too

I am a big fan of both, at this point, I will vote for DoS2, I still can't forget how shocked I was when I played through DoS2 the first time, sadly I don't think I feel the same when I played through BG3

For my what made me enjoy bg3 more than dos2 was the level of interaction with the outcomes of the game/characters, and what kind of dialogue and choice is represented. In dos2 it was fairly defined outcomes of the story and the discussions. dos2 character builds definitely better. I think combat I love everything better about dos2 OTHER THAN the way they split defenses. Usually ends up more awkward than fun.

@GMOTP5738

5 ай бұрын

Yeah but bg3 always has the same endings regardless of what "choice" you make lol

@Rodzario

3 ай бұрын

@@GMOTP5738ummm, not always? The essentials of the ending may be all of us defeating the Nether Brain, yes, but the aftermath, no. The illithid in the end can be your character, can be any companion, can even be the Comet Prince. Not to mention, each different illithid will trigger different outcomes, let say the Comet Prince become the illithid, Laezel can choose to kill him or not. And that’s just some example, there are many that I can’t say because its just…. Too many, like if Gale sacrifice himself by exploding we got different ending too

@chatarrra7457

3 сағат бұрын

@@Rodzario those aren’t really all individual endings. Just flavours of the same ‘Netherbrain Dies’ ending. The differences aren’t enough. BTW Larian advertised 17k endings even before the epilogue was released, at said point there being only 2 endings.

The Divinity setting is just giving Larian a much more freedom to create a fun gameplay system. I think many people sleeps on the biggest fun factor of the entire divinity series. Divinity games are generally very immersive because how they build their world up, being open/semi-open world where you can interact the gameworld in a lot deeper level than in most rpg's, quest design also has this freedom by having a more figuring out approach, rather than the classic "mmo like" quest hubs with very linear quests. It has a much better and rewarding exploration gameplay because of these. Having a classless approach is also supports this heavily, by letting the player play howewer they like. And these things are basically there in every divinity game from Divine Divinity to DOS2. It's one of the charm of divinity along with it's music.

I'd like to recommend another 5e game, Solasta. It has a feature that I love and you can't barely see anywhere, and that is playing as a party rather than a character. There is no MC, no hero destined to save everyone, no chosen of the prophecy. You create your 4 characters and play with them, they are random adventurers doing random adventures.

i do like combat from DOS2 much more, because of how easy and creative you can made combos, but also how environment can be used. but dialog system in BG3 is so versatile. i was happy that i choose Bard class for my first playthrough, because it is so funny to kill a boss with few lines in dialog

Larian was so close to having a masterpiece with DOS2 (and still prefer the Action Points combat system from Div). When I played BG3 and say the cutscenes, that was what truly elevated the experience into an immersive narrative. I cannot wait for the Div game, I bet that the next installment would be one of my favorite games if it took what was great about DOS2 and added the Cutscenes, Camp and Companion mechanics of BG3.

After many hours of coop Baldur's Gate 3 my mates and I are still of the opinion that the combat system and character customization in Divinity Original Sin 2 is more appealing. What they've done with story in Baldur's Gate 3 is simply outstanding. But alot of the things we liked most about DOS2 just aren't in BG3.

If we had a game with DOS combat and BG3 cinematics/writing/acting you'd have my perfect game. Loved both, but really missed DOS combat. I think Larian leaned too hard onto replicating DnD and could have amended some things to translate it better from tabletop.

@johanax9867

6 ай бұрын

I think alot of it has to do with it not being their IP. Wizards of the Coast were most likely making alot of the decisions on what they could and could not add. In the DOS series they can do whatever they want, since it's their own baby. Hopefully DOS3 will have exactly what you mentioned.

So i recently got into crpgs again. For the price of bg3, i was able to get dos1 and 2 with pathfinder king maker and wrath of the righteous. I eventually am going to buy bg3, after ive beat all these four games. My point is enjoying these older titles will let me understand bg3 better.

@empirednw6624

7 ай бұрын

Get pillars of eternity 1 and 2 next. 2 is better than 1 though. You can even import your character into the sequel. Mass effect style. Oh and wrath of the righteous is reallyyyyyyy long but good.

Couldn't agree more. For all the things BG3 excelled at, the turn-based combat of DOS2 is unrivaled. So good you were actually craving combat.

To me, yes. Bg3 has way too many Dnd elements. Not a huge DnD fan like that. Dos2 was definitely, to me, a better game.

DOS2 has much better combat mechanics

@J.R.Swish1

7 ай бұрын

If you really think about that's more on WotC than on Larian

@skeletonwar4445

7 ай бұрын

​@@J.R.Swish1Correct. BG3 emulates DnD very closely. The problem with this is that DnD combat sucks ass in a videogame format.

@robulusmaximus

4 ай бұрын

​@@skeletonwar4445 also sucks ass in actual tabletop 😊

@namethefifth7315

2 ай бұрын

​@@robulusmaximus it definitely does not suck ass in 5e. You talk like it is 4e

@sonic-bb

2 ай бұрын

@@skeletonwar4445 it actually doesnt emulate d&d close enough. Things about the combat are limited or changed. And the character creation is heavily limited. Solasta is more faithful recreation of d&d 5th rules than baldurs gate 3

My wife and I have played/playing both now and already we're wishing this was more like DOS2 TBH. That game absolutely consumed us and was a blast all the way until the end where their awful coop main mission left us not wanting to finish. BG3 feels pretty lethargic and we're baffled why it even won GOTY over so many excellent games. DOS2 was all we played for nights on end, but BG3 we've only put maybe 15 hours into since hitting Xbox and aren't jumping to play after work at all. I would say DOS2 was absolutely the better game and balanced sweaty mechanics with ARPG streamlining incredibly well.

More of Divinity!!! Original Sin or the Dragon series. Honestly, WoC is holding back BG3 and Larian. I hope Larian focuses more on their IPs because they don't lose out on other DnD IPs. Especially now that they have gained a huge following and fame, they can introduce into the mainstream spotlight those Divinity gems

@richardmenz3257

7 ай бұрын

pf2e would of been a way better system. 5e Is just meh, but I am shocked they made it as entertaining as they did with 5e rule set.

@ezeess7239

7 ай бұрын

divinity original sin 3 is going to be huge now that larian is well known

@richardmenz3257

7 ай бұрын

@@ezeess7239 idk if they will make orginal sin 3. The story seemed finished to me. But def something in the divinity world. They have books and other games in universe.

@moomimi

7 ай бұрын

Wdym Dragon? Dragon Age?

@sonic-bb

2 ай бұрын

in their update notes on steam, they said they wont be working on another d&d game and will stay an independent game company

BG3 is finally on Xbox so I'm going to check it out. It's such a gargantuan game that I may hold off on it for a while. I think back on how long it took me to complete Witcher 3 Complete Edition. It took me years lol

The physical armor/magical armor system of DoS2 is a bit more interesting and varied too. BG3 is more cinematic and a lot more accessible for people like me who don't normally play tactical crpgs though.

Surface propagation in D:OS2 is insane, especially how the bleeding of so many enemies contaminates the entirety of the surface they stand on. In the second half, nearly every combat encounter devolves into necrofire; it's absurd. In so many fights I can't even see what's going on.

Personally I don't know why everyone says that dos 2 combat is better then bg3 combat. Alot of the encounters are poorly designed, and the armor system nukes half the builds in the game depending on what type you're doing. Leveling up is essentially just putting 1 more point into warfare for 5% more damage and that's it. Once you finish Warfare you start putting them into either ranger or scoundrel for more crit/high ground damage. I mean yeah you could spam your points everywhere for all the cool abilities, but they will do absolutely no damage. And as for the elemental effects, there is only one. Cursed fire. everywhere. Also the loot system is bad. You level up once or twice and everything you have is obsolete.

I just imagining DOS3 being the wonderchild of these 2 beautiful amazing games

I hope Larians will make a game with BG3 storytelling style and DOS2 combat (with maybe a bit of tutorial bcs I was sooo lost the first time I almost gave up xd) .

I love that Pillars of Eternity 2 got mentioned here, that game had the most entertaining leveling mechanics of any CRPG that I've played. Of DoS2 and BG3, I'm going to have to go with BG3. The story had so much more weight that I didn't have any choice but to become invested. That's kinda the opposite of what I usually look for in these games. I like tinkering with possibilities and finding a loophole that allows crunchy numbers. It's just that there was so much raw emotion and energy in BG3 that combat lost appeal over what was going to happen. Plus, and I know this is going to sound weird to anyone who hasn't played it, having the dice rolls front-and-center became a point of investment because it drew attention to the fact that things could go sideways. That hook was WAY more powerful than I would have imagined before playing.

Notice how he plays D:OS2 with only two characters? Yeah, the encounters are only designed with 2 characters in mind; it's a holdover from D:OS1. The encounters are way too small otherwise. So many mods try to fix this with 6 PCs and more enemies, but then combat drags to a slow crawl. The Fast Forward mod tried to fix this too but it's a bit unstable and enemies take a similar amount of time to make decisions. Each map in this game is composed of a series of small battle arenas in which 3-5 enemies fight 2 PC's. Yes, it's that limited.

Per Wizard of the Coast's conversation with Larian Studios: Their rights to produce BG3 would depend on Larian Studios' success with OS l and ll. There would be no BG3 (at least not the version developed by Larian Studios) without the existence of OS l and ll.

After BG3 I purchased DOS 2 yesterday, what a great genre I was missing all these years (25 years playing). Without bg3 I wouldnt have entered this amazing dnd world

Christ bless you, this just makes me excited for DOS III ngl

aweeee yea dos 2 video!!!! i love baldurs gate 3 but original sin 2 is what introduced me to these types of games so it will always hold a special place in my heart

I think BG3 has weak loot. They could have done more with that. Maybe a smithing / upgrading system to make stuff better as you progress.

@PaulRGauthier

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. And there are just too many powerful magic items. But upgrades? Nah. An actual crafting system? Hell yes.

@Cyotis

7 ай бұрын

@PaulRGauthier i was thinking like upgrading some of those early weapons to like +2 or +3 variants. But since we cant find very many +2 / +3 weapons, maybe we craft them.

Personally I prefer the more familiar MMORPG-style stats system behind DOS2 (For example, questions of armor, evasion, and accuracy are far more intuitive). However, BG3 is infinitely more approachable to a wider audience. The first act is streamlined and cinematic, and more fun to do as a group. DOS2's first act was a little overcooked in early access and dumped too many mechanics on players up front.

That theme song for dos2 is on another level I could listen to it all day. Love that game

i remember using the mirror exploit in dos 2 to max out my stats and making enough $$ to buy all the spells and skills i could in the first area/town. shortly after leaving the town, fighting a group of monsters solo, and then getting stunlocked to death (or maybe i quit before i died because it would've taken too long). didn't play much after that. not using any exploits or anything for bg3, but also haven't really had any issues being stunlocked either... i might go back and play dos 2 normally, but then again, i have a lot of games i'm supposed to go back and play

I'd say BG3 is alot more beginner friendly. It's much more streamlined in the way combat plays out and the way you progress when leveling. Like you said, there are very few decisions when you level. In DOS2, you can create your own class more or less. There are alot more choices when you level aswell.

I believe Larian pours so much love, sweat and tears in their games. Love DOS2 and BG3. Both 10/10! But like you were saying, if they pull what they've learned/accomplished with BG3 and apply it to DOS3 that will be the greatest CRPG of all time. Until then, I'll be enjoying some tadpoles in the eyes and banter with Gale.

My opinion is the exact same as yours. I like Divinity world (not restricted), characters, armors, and combat more. If DOS3 gets cut-scene dialogues, third person view, story (darker), and all the QOL improvement as Baldur's Gate, it would be the ideal CRPG for me.

I have spent a lot of time playing DOS2. I played the original Baldur's Gate many, many years ago, but haven't looked at BG3. That being said, what I like in a game is a good story with a sense of immersion. My problem with Baldur's Gate is that it has to constantly remind you that you're playing a D&D game, and, to me, this breaks that sense of immersion. I don't need a graphic telling me I'm rolling a D20.

Tip for Dos2 players, I’ve learned a trick. When you have a lot of items to identify! Bring them to lady vengeance restat a character with all points in Loremaster and then identify it gives you more weapon or armor stat bonuses

For me I enjoy the combat of BG3 more for three main reasons: - Separation of movement from the rest of the action economy in BG3 makes movement feel less punishing for melee characters. I hated losing 1/2 potential attacks in DOS2 to just having to move around the battle field - I hated the magic D/physical D system in DOS2. Especially on bosses where it felt like half the party's damage just ended up being wasted. Of course this makes certain choices strategically more important. But it can be very punishing if you have a heavy magical or heavy physical character in the party where they often run out of meaningful choices in battle. In multiplayer modes it made a cooperative game feel competitive as you and friends often feel like they're working against each other. - DOS2 just disables your characters too much. My "favorite" thing was stepping over a pixel of electrified water and losing my whole turn. I get that's the point of the elemental system. But enemies often could perfectly avoid terrain. In BG3 they both added a readable warning to the movement line when you're going to pass though something dangerous, and made these interactions less punishing. The movement warning when you're about to move though potentially haphazard terrain is something that really should be backported into DOS2.

I grew up playing D&D 2nd edition. I know the rules 100% for it. I wish i knew which of the editions is the best. If its even worth trying to learn 5th edition, etc?

Wizards definitely don't want Larian to add a Dungeon Master mode, because that would fuck up their plans on monetizing DnD. Larian would probably do a way better job too 😅.

For many years since I started working and my ability to focus got worse, I've been having difficulties following the story in some games that don't present it in a cinematic way. I just can't remember lots and lots of text, and in general I don't have patience for dialogues in the style of DOS. But I grew up with Bioware games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect, so conversations like those keep my interest enough for me to focus and remember the things. Also, cinematic moments hook me in the game and make me more fond of the characters, and that is one of the major reasons I like or dislike a game. BG3 doesn't have the best characters, but the majority of the main ones are very good, and seeing how they act and participating in the scenes like if my character was really in the story is definitely a better experience for me. And I think it counts as gameplay. In RPGs, combat is not the only moment we got to play, so everything outside it must engage and be fun. In many ways, DOS feels too much combat and exploration oriented, while the story feels secondary. I tried to play DOS 1 and 2 a couple times, and I can't remember ANYTHING of the story other than that there is Source and the Void and a Dragon and Fort Joy. Also, I couldn't care for any of the characters (maybe only Lohse, but just because I'm curious to know what is that spirit that possessed her and how it got there). So, for me, BG3 will always be superior to both DOS games, what makes me really hyped for whatever will be the next game from Larian.

@GabrielPassarelliG

3 ай бұрын

About my difficulties with text driven narratives, it may be because of the language barrier. I am brazilian and speak natively portuguese, but after learning all my first games in english, I hate any translation, especially because the audio is most commonly still in english. So reading everything in a language I am not fluent in is a lot of work and my brain quits sometimes, hahaha.

thanks for the vid - playing BG3 iIhad wondered if I was the only one who liked DOS 2 (and one actually) "style" better - dont get me wrong both are great and amazing but personally I prefer DOS2 more - combat + character builds are what puts it over the edge imo - good vid

Never played any of their games before bg3, how are their game mechanics compared to dungeons and dragons?

I say yes, mainly due to forced long/short rest necessity. That drastically slows down the fun of the game. Cooldown are a billions times better.