Full podcast episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppiqmdRrerbVm6w.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzread.info Guest bio: Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist, author, and host of Mindscape podcast.

Perceiving an illusion requires consciousness. As Max Planck, the father of quantum physics, stated: "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."

@Havre_Chithra

26 күн бұрын

This is basically a derivation cogito ergo sum...

@aidanhall6679

10 күн бұрын

@@Havre_Chithraa world that persists outside mind is no world at all.

If consciousness is an illusion, then what is perceiving that illusion?

@thatisabsolutelykooooge2211

14 күн бұрын

The subconscious

Carroll will not go down the rabbit hole that LexF wants to. Have seen this played out with other guests that are strictly rational and won't engage. Lex's issue is that he want to go to the metaphysical, hoping for some 'other' whether that be ET's, something better/bigger than the Big Band, Sentient AI -- the strictly rational find nothing to discuss. Definition of metaphysical: In modern philosophical terminology, metaphysics refers to the studies of what cannot be reached through objective studies of material reality.

@Walexo45

23 күн бұрын

He wants to delve deep into it, thinking also he'll find an answer, but I don't think there's any. Caroll don't waste his time on this, but Fridman still has this young naivety around the big questions. It really feels naive for him in such a high-quality podcast. He doesn't need to do it.

@EannaButler

11 күн бұрын

@@Walexo45 Yeah... It comes across nearly as an act of voluntary childishness sometimes. Lex is endearing on so so many levels, and I think climbing into of this mode of naïve quizzicality could be useful for a period of a conversation, playing devil's advocate to prod the discussion forward. But it doesn't need to be a mode to play for a whole podcast. It is a viable way to illuminate or to illustrate the absurdity of it all, that of a single human mind that can conceive of the massive interplay of everything, at infinite zoom levels, not least things like Hilbert Spaces and the Many Worlds theory. As was said in another part of the podcast, asking "Why is there something rather than nothing?" being a different quality of a traditional 'why' question, one that cannot be answered from the context of the fact that there is indeed 'something' in the first place to ask that question! It's fun to go there, the naivety, but I think he does more of it than he needs to. Maybe others get more out of it than me...

Illusions are experienced by ... what?

@TheLastAbacus

28 күн бұрын

Its illusions all the way down

@RaphaelDartigues

27 күн бұрын

Sensors

@norbu_la

27 күн бұрын

@@RaphaelDartigues sensors don't "experience" anything

@RaphaelDartigues

27 күн бұрын

@@norbu_la both illusions and experiences are perceived reality. When you touch fire it is the skin that burns (not your brain).

@norbu_la

27 күн бұрын

@@RaphaelDartigues why would you display your stupidity to the world? Or are you making a sarcastic joke?

It's not that deep. The difference between an "illusion" and something that "represents" external reality, is the idea of a correlation to that external reality (i.e., by the consciousness/representation), including, in that correlation, what other minds say they can see, hear, smell, logically prove, etc. If consciousness didn't correlate to an external reality well, it couldn't do anything useful for us in real time, while we're out and about "existing". This is not to say that your consciousness can't be private too; it's only saying that a really important part of it is involved in the correlation to a "real" world. People who are "out of their minds" are typically uncorrelated.

To able to understand the external world you first have to understand who who wants to understand it. Somebody who understands himself has a big advantage on this. And this is pure science as it is based on observation, contemplation , look at you’re mind to find out the nature of the mind, the tool science is using to understand the external world. So it seems science is using a tool that they don’t understand or know what it actually is. If they don’t know what it in essence is how can they use it properly.?

"if people had replaced their belief in god with that of a mechanistic universe, they would have done just as well" Brave assertion by Carroll which I don't believe for a minute

he truly is trying hard to put meaning to our existence.

@toddsmith5715

24 күн бұрын

Quite the opposite, actually. A mechanistic view of reality removes meaning.

Coke bottle is empty…but, if I imagine it to be full then I, too, am full of it…

Guy probably has some decent insight. But anyone who asks a listener "right?" to affirm their own assumption is annoying.

What are precognative dreams?, how and why do they occur?

@RaphaelDartigues

27 күн бұрын

The purpose of the brain is to make predictions.

I find this happens when we discuss belief in God. When Carroll says that had ancient peoples abandoned their belief in God and focused on something else, they would have done just as well. I'm not sure that's the case. There is an entire morality that goes along with religion that underpins societies actions and lead to the creation of laws and societal contracts. Without those, we don't have a functioning economy, etc. The U.S. constitution would never have been written had their not been a religious morality. And that constitution inspired the rest of the world's democratic governments. So yeah, I disagree.

@jr.bobdobbs

18 күн бұрын

That's just plain wrong and ignorant. The writers of the constitution were heavily influenced by French enlightenment philosophers. To claim it inspired the other democracies is just unbelievably ignorant as claiming it came from some religious morality. It's actually the opposite, sectarian progress was made once humans dropped religious morals.

“The Mapper is the Territory.”

I BELIEVE THAT IT'S REAL, AND I AGREE, AND PLANET EARTH IS NOT THE MOVIE THE MATRIX.❤

This guy learned to replace “umms” with lengthened words

Life and Consciousness is Eternal, Consciousness is 100% Electric, Consciousness is mirrored in the Rainbow, Stuff-side, the Motion-Ocean, is a Real Illusion, caused by Consciousness, Forced by the Life-Desire.

If you go through life believing in Santa Claus, you live in an illustration. But your life may be richer, and more fun. So who is to say you are wrong? God may be the missing link, the spark that separates us from the apes. A divine force in Evolution.

NO, that would prob mean that you yourself would also be an illusion so ask yourself that question.. consciousness is a form of energy

He must have meant a mirage rather than an oasis

@DenisChenchik

28 күн бұрын

Oasis means spot in desert, where water is found. Oasis can be an illusion or mirage

@vasiovasio

28 күн бұрын

Yes, Mirage or Fata Morgana! Oasis is something 100% Real! :)

@letsbuildasnowman7058

28 күн бұрын

No, he meant oasis.

@KristianWontroba

28 күн бұрын

He meant to say (a mirage of an) oasis, but language doesn’t have to be explicit at all times. The fact that you were able to infer “mirage” proves this. The context of communication often adds more to meaning than the words themselves. Grunt and point to a rock, and we will know exactly what you are labeling.

@PryZmFiXion

28 күн бұрын

Oasis works. Especially if you got friends in low places. 😉

Thinking that if so, no biggie. Not like we can do anything about it. Enjoy life. Be kind. Always. Out lies and evil. Always. Have fun out there.

@pikiwiki

28 күн бұрын

have fun being out there

@BillGoreArt

26 күн бұрын

What if evil is the fun in life?

@cicholasnage

25 күн бұрын

What is evil? What is goodness even? Does these concepts exist independently of human experience?

1. "We dont know what the world is at a deep fundamental level" 3. "Belief in god is an illusion that has been proven wrong" see #1 Seems to me that to conclude that there is no god and that that particular 'illusion' has been proven wrong you would NEED to know what the world is at a deep fundamental level. He is so sure of what he admits he doesnt know. I am always amazed at how really smart people ignore the fact that we are on a progression and this is just a slice in that progression. They forget about the people 200 years in the future who will look back at Carroll and wondering how such an idiot could ever exist. There seems to be a lack of humility in this regard. He starts out by claiming that we know nothing about the world at a deep fundamental level and then turns around and claims that god has been debunked because we know better than that now.

@bigbear1843

28 күн бұрын

Yeh I immediately question someone’s ability to approach these topics without bias when they make comments like that. I can understand it though as we are human and it’s easy to see how humanities representation of religion could leave a stain on one’s impression of the whole concept of God, but to say that god is an illusion that has been disproven is arrogant.

@suncat9

28 күн бұрын

It's impossible to "prove" that God doesn't exist. We can't even agree on a definition of God.

@reggiebannister4098

27 күн бұрын

People 200 years in the future probably won't be people

@alienmaster3

27 күн бұрын

⁠@@suncat9 google

@justinunion7586

27 күн бұрын

⁠@@suncat9 God is an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent entity that exists beyond space/time, outside of the scope of material physics and is responsible for the creation of the reality we all experience. Nearly everyone agrees on this. What people don’t agree is whether God should be personified or not. God is not meant to be comprehended or measured by the human brain because it permeates everything.

👀

What is the observer if consciousness is an illusion?

@RaphaelDartigues

27 күн бұрын

A computer

@rikib.3444

27 күн бұрын

@@RaphaelDartigues Yes indeed, but not a digital computer, not a computer based on algorithms, not a so called quantum-computer but The Quantum itself. Space-time is the result of its endless computation.

Yes it is ! Confirmed by Ramana Maharshi and my personal journey 😂❤ true but not true take it for what you will.

We could do like the Orks in 40K do: If they believe something is real, then it IS REAL.

Lexington has small hands

If Homelander were an intellectual his name would be Sean Carroll.

Only consciousness is not an illusion, everything else is... "Consciousness is the source of all. Consciousness is the stuff existence is made of. But there is no source of consciousness itself. Existence consists of consciousness. Existence itself is made of consciousness. And consciousness has always been here, is here, will be here. It can be asleep, it can be awake, but it is consciousness all the same. Consciousness itself is the very foundation of the whole existence. Nothing is deeper than that. You cannot go beyond consciousness. But if you want to experience what is the source of all, go deeper into meditation, and you will find that there is nothing deeper than meditation. You will find that everything comes out of consciousness. Even matter is condensed consciousness, in deep sleep - perhaps in a coma." - Osho 🔥

Lex things imagining something can make it happen. So lots of people imagine God, sooooo Gods is just around the corner. Keep imagination alive!!

@toddsmith5715

24 күн бұрын

My imagining of a purple, one-eyed unicorn makes it no more likely that such a creature exists. To a certain extent, imagination DOES usher certain MATERIAL things into existence, but you have to actually construct that thing. He said as much. Imagination alone doesn't affect odds or likelihood of something existing though.

@TheVigilante2000

24 күн бұрын

@@toddsmith5715 You just gotta make it happen, you lazy? But first, imagine...

@toddsmith5715

24 күн бұрын

@@TheVigilante2000 That was a pretty lazy response. The point is, imagining something alone doesn't increase the odds of that thing existing. It's rather elementary and thus not really debatable.

These questions have been answered a long time ago.

@malcolmstartrail9573

28 күн бұрын

Enlighten me , by whom? And do you know these people...? I truly don't believe they are answered because they are deep Q's and we are still pondering them till this day

@cicholasnage

25 күн бұрын

Answered, yes. Proven, no. Anyone can give answers, but nobody could give a definitive truth since these questions are not an objective question since we lack the capacity to give empirical evidences. So best we can do is to continue using these questions as debate points so that more and more people can provide more approaches to look at it.

@toddsmith5715

24 күн бұрын

And the answers change. This is called progress.

the answer is yes, but again, most people cant accept that because it doesnt sound profound enough for their self-centered ignorance.

I think one day he will have to answer to the god he so confidently denies.

28 күн бұрын

religion: surviving on threats since forever

@letsbuildasnowman7058

28 күн бұрын

who mentioned religion?

@kingsleykronk3141

25 күн бұрын

Same for you if you picked the wrong god, rules or religion to follow.

@letsbuildasnowman7058

25 күн бұрын

@@kingsleykronk3141 I can’t force you to understand

@stevenmartinez05

12 күн бұрын

So will those “believers” who ignore the message of chapter 25 of Matthew…

"replace their belief in God with a mechanistic view of the universe.." says the guy who has no idea what makes the mechanics of the universe work. The hubris to say that God is an illusion without knowing even what is under the sea let alone what exists in the universe is laughable.