Westerners complaining that the Chinese are outcompeting them in capitalism. Interesting times we live in.

@theunknownunknowns5168

16 күн бұрын

Anyone reading this checkout Dave Borlace of Just Have a Think for a better perspective on this very topic.

@JogBird

16 күн бұрын

you mean White people

@user-sh3pd5et1n

16 күн бұрын

😂🇨🇳📈

@user-sh3pd5et1n

16 күн бұрын

Lol

@vervetech9395

16 күн бұрын

And the fact that China has better free market than the west is so crazy. They've proven their free market system by not banning foreign car brands in China. China didn't ban Apple in response for US banning Huawei etc.

If it was American or any other Western nation the headlines would have been, "American EV makers leads the world with record sales"

@patrickgz

16 күн бұрын

😂😂

@kingswordsc

16 күн бұрын

The British are watching with mixed emotions as China provides the world with high-quality and affordable goods

@bena69

16 күн бұрын

@larryc1616

15 күн бұрын

Tesla was the #1 selling car in the world last year and is the #1 car manufacturer in the world

@arcandcardinal968

15 күн бұрын

Because american made cars perform better, duh

Chinese EVs are not inexpensive. It’s the Western car makers that have been excessively profiteering from the car buyers. we’re all conditioned to think cars should cost more than they should.

@danielwhyatt3278

16 күн бұрын

Here here. We’ve been conditioned into this, when it really doesn’t have to be this way. Sell them like new off brand phones, not houses.

@SubjectiveFunny

16 күн бұрын

Chinese EVs are complete and utter junk. Terrible manufacturing, terrible safety standards, terrible craftsmanship. If you buy that junk you deserve what you get, but your passengers do not.

@chamamemestre

16 күн бұрын

That and in China they only make around 1300 USD in profit to outcompete among themselves. In Europe they are making around 16K-23K in profit for each car...because like you said, its easier to outprice the competitors that have ridiculous prices.

@TrickOrRetreat

16 күн бұрын

Problem is that Chinese EVs will kill you, because safety features don't work. Safety actually cost money. I know, it's crazy 😮

@passby8070

16 күн бұрын

Yes, Here in Australia, the like of Kia, Toyota and Mazda has been charging premium prices for car that was typically in the lower end of the market, they have cheap specs with cheapo interiors, now China has came along to take that affordable segment with better spec cars and way nicer interior.

You can buy almost all brands of cars from EU and US, but you can't buy Car brands from China in the USA, who is free?

EU and US: developing countries need to take more responsibility to fight climate change. Also EU and US: Chinese EV and solar panels suffer overproduction 😂

@fortunateson101

16 күн бұрын

What kind of 'developing country' has a space program?

@ElonHusky

16 күн бұрын

​@@fortunateson101Those developing countries with less corrupt politicians and dont spend money for war, Space programmes are pretty cheap compared to government spending on arms and other useless things

@fortunateson101

16 күн бұрын

@@ElonHusky Are you saying China doesn't have an insanely large defence and weapons development budget?

@user-ui3rn5gh2z

16 күн бұрын

​@@fortunateson101 Considering China has a population of 1.4 billion, this budget isn't that much. It's only a quarter of the U.S.'s, even though the U.S. has only one fourth the population of China.

@kevinrich5222

16 күн бұрын

@@fortunateson101 It is only 1.4% of its GDP, far lower than the 4%+ of the United States.

US and EU will ban these innovative EV cars due to national security concerns like they ban tiktok😂

@fortunateson101

16 күн бұрын

Right...because China doesn't ban anything, right? Facebook, KZread, Google etc etc etc etc etc etc

@legendaryblood1937

16 күн бұрын

​@@fortunateson101I thought China does have YT access? I've seen some Chinese KZreadrs here lol

@TmcksnT

16 күн бұрын

​@@fortunateson101the point is the West are text book hypocrites. What is the inflation reduction act if not a subsidy in America. Macron wants Europe to do similar. So they have no moral issue with it, they should stop saying they do

@dfgg8671

16 күн бұрын

@@fortunateson101 I live in China. you're right. most people in China can't use Google or Facebook. I am sure there is a political issue, but I would like to explain that Google used to be able to use Google in China, but later Google did not agree to host servers in China and comply with some relevant Chinese censorship regulations. so Google cannot use it in China. there are some websites that comply with the Chinese rules, and these software and websites can also be used

@i6power30

16 күн бұрын

@@fortunateson101 You are right. China does not have freedom of speech, it is working on to become more free and liberal over time without causing social problems. But the US and its allies are hypocrites that claim they have freedom but in reality, it's all government controlled anyway.

If Electric Car is our future, then "China has made Electric Cars very affordable!" . We all want affordable electric cars right?

@danielwhyatt3278

16 күн бұрын

Exactly. Our govs are just upset because they’re not themselves getting a slice of the pie. Plain and simple. Really is literally nothing else to it.

@keli4068

16 күн бұрын

No UAW doesn't

@constantinosbou

16 күн бұрын

The people want this, our governments want profits

@ElonHusky

16 күн бұрын

​​​​​@@danielwhyatt3278 That's not the problem, If you observe most of the Renewable tech is pushed by European countries not USA because new investments in europe are in renewable sectors only , Europe don't have anything to offer to the world right now so they think they can sell tech products and license to developing countries but china,India and other developing countries manufactured their own products so this threatens europe especially EU, Also unlike USA most countries in EU and UK don't have their own energy reserves

@rcpmac

16 күн бұрын

So you support the idea that wages in the US should match china’s? “As of February 19, 2024, Shanghai has the highest monthly minimum wage among 31 provinces (RMB 2,690/US$370 per month), and Beijing has the highest hourly minimum wage (RMB 26.4/US$3.7 per hour).”

if we can not make good cars like those, smear them

It must be clarified to our Western friends that the Chinese government has long ended its subsidies to car companies. Currently, it is only reducing commodity taxes for consumers. Chinese car companies are engaging in liberalized market competition.

Isn't the US heavily subsidising its own EV industry with its inflation reductions act??? If I recall only US made EVs can obtain government credit worth 7k USD, surely that runs blatantly against WTO rules, no?

BBC as usual didn't mention the subsidies by EU as a balanced argument, don't expect them to have a un-bias coverage of anything China. In that sense I think DW does a way better job.

@stoneju1392

15 күн бұрын

Bbc is trying to make its viewers idiots.

@lvjinbin28

5 күн бұрын

The BBC also did not mention that China is subsidizing all EV companies, including Tesla in Shanghai, while the U.S. is only subsidizing its own brands.

Unfair Advantage is not a legitimate criticism. Amazon has an unfair advantage in e-commerce and Google has an unfair advantage in search.

Wait, EU and US also subsidy their car industry too. Never metion in this report. 😂😂😂😂

@Mrchengpeng

16 күн бұрын

American iron supplements, Boeing, and chip companies, which are public.

@vervetech9395

16 күн бұрын

Yeah. Kudos for pointing that out. BBC is shilling for the US again

Customers feel that Chinese EV cheap only because German and Japan has been enjoying massive profit from their products. Vehicles should not be that expensive in the first place.

Yes. Why is this even a question? 😂 BYD surpassed Tesla in 2023. And this is just the beginning.

@frk6623

16 күн бұрын

Chinese brands are far better and superior than stupid US shit..

@boscadarksouls6466

16 күн бұрын

bec the goverment buy almost all byd cars jsut say it sells a lot of EV cars. that how chinese manipulate buyers

@defaultname354

16 күн бұрын

Chinese must be manipulating us buyers in Sydney. We literally have shit loads. Also forgot to mention thailand as adapting very well as well. Heaps of MG, BYD and that good cat thing over there a few months ago. Keep coping mate.

@user-we4gy1qp9p

16 күн бұрын

@@boscadarksouls6466 China has at least 10 auto car makers shoulder on BYD,most of them have large sale center all over the world,like Cherry,NIO,Polestar,etc.BYD should be famous but it's only a small potato in Chinese auto market,almost every people like the new car maker Xiaomi turned to production electric cars not very long.

@frk6623

16 күн бұрын

@@user-we4gy1qp9p yes the Chinese EV spectrum is enormous and BYD alone is paving the way forward.

Nio has the most charging piles in China and they never received any subsidies. They were bailed out once but needed to give up a piece of the company to the government which they’ve been buying back by repaying the loan. Nio has never received subsidies so it’s infuriating this is what the u.s and e.u are saying because they were late to the party and can’t compete. Maybe if they didn’t spend so much money on wars they could build some half decent infrastructure

@sennaha

16 күн бұрын

NIO EV vehicle isn't cheap. It is far superior in quality than Tesla though.

@ashk4155

16 күн бұрын

@@sennaha I never said Nio was cheap

@AL-tq1q

16 күн бұрын

And NIO has a research center in Oxford, UK. If it is subsidized by the Chinese government, I would imagine Westminster go wild.

So the west will ban this just like Tik Tok

@hermesliteratus882

16 күн бұрын

Yes, if you can't compete with them, ban them, that's the new rule of the free market.

@riomendoza1111

16 күн бұрын

We have to continue to make the American public believe America is the greatest at everything

@ElonHusky

16 күн бұрын

​@@riomendoza1111UK is shit compared to USA

@arcandcardinal968

15 күн бұрын

Tiktok already got exposed for stealing data, tiktok was given the choice to sell or get out of america, but they chose to not sell. They value spying more

@blahblah-yx7bl

14 күн бұрын

@@riomendoza1111 by fake news?

Why is this even a question? You now can say evs are evil, that will make you feel better.

"9 out of the top 10 biggest EV makers in the world will be Chinese" - Elon Musk

@user-rd4du8iq1q

16 күн бұрын

Elon Musk has never said anything accurate.

@danielwhyatt3278

16 күн бұрын

He was spot on there. EV companies in the West neeeed to get bigger incentives as well. WHAT THE HELL OUR WE DOING.

@SubjectiveFunny

16 күн бұрын

@@danielwhyatt3278 We are following worldwide safety standards for vehicle production, and paying a somewhat respectable wage to manufacturing employees. China does non of that. Interesting how you don't care about the millions of Chinese people in abject poverty, just so you can pay a bit less for your EV. Shameful.

@charlenefrench5404

16 күн бұрын

​@SubjectiveFunny give me a break. You believe we don't have slave labor going on in the west? 😮 Have you been to a meat processing facility?

@SubjectiveFunny

16 күн бұрын

@@charlenefrench5404 That is slave labor, is it? I refuse to communicate with someone who has a poor grasp of the English language and chooses to speak in hyperbole. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself.

Why is the BBC still posing a question with such an obvious answer?

@ssimon1328

11 күн бұрын

Should give them a IQ test !!

When u can’t compete, the west starts accusations

UK: Don’t buy it if you are not affordable ! Don’t need to cry like a baby

The ridiculousness of the USA and the EU 😂

Longest time Europe and America was crying on gasoline combustion engines.😂😂

Loads of lies in the video. EU has been giving funds to the "Electric" cars funds already.... Now the Chinese keeps on building better cars. EU is doomed

@danielwhyatt3278

16 күн бұрын

Same quality actually, but it needs to be debated under closer analysis as the car models age. What China can do is scalability, which is incredibly hard in Europe thanks to everybody whining about anything you being built anywhere.

Westerners crying in the comment section 😂😂

@houseofshuffles449

16 күн бұрын

China - 75th highest standard of living in the world. Now, have a look at which countries make up the top 20. That is, if the CCP doesn't block such websites...

Remember when desktop PC prices were very high since they were manufactured in the US? After the components get made in China, the computers became more affordable. Similar thing would likely happen to EV industry

@jerrymiller9039

16 күн бұрын

The prices were not high because they were in the US. The only reason they existed at all is because the US invented them. China can only steal technology and we are starting to block that more and more.

@SubjectiveFunny

16 күн бұрын

Just ignore the poverty their workers are experiencing, not to mention the millions in slavery, JUST so you can have your cheap labor. Lord forbid things get made in the US where people can earn a decent wage. You people are sick.

@samanthajones4877

16 күн бұрын

Except this time the US and EU will ban Chinese EV’s and keeping prices high.

@patrickgz

16 күн бұрын

same with smartphones and network technology. hauwai got banned due to 'security' isk

@samanthajones4877

16 күн бұрын

@@patrickgz and also ZTE phones. This is why today we get to pay over a thousand dollars for iPhones and Samsung phones.

Guarantee America and Europe will ban them on " security concerns" as soon as they present a real threat to sales.

Kind of infuriating how the guy is clumsily walking backwards

@TomNook.

16 күн бұрын

Only Michael Jackson can walk backwards in style

@danielwhyatt3278

16 күн бұрын

Yeah that was rather rude. They’re the BBC for goodness sake, they should know better.

@Frack_Black

16 күн бұрын

You need a break from the Internet if that is what 'infuriates' you. Go outside, touch some grass....deep breaths.

@user-mt1ps4fz4l

16 күн бұрын

Typical obnoxious behaviour. These people have no idea how to integrate respectfully with other cultures.

@Frack_Black

16 күн бұрын

@@user-mt1ps4fz4l all these 'user-xxxx' bot accounts. 😂 Take a break putin.

*UNCLE SAM IS FURIOUS!!!*

@callas60

16 күн бұрын

Breaking down soon 😂😂

China is where the magic happens ❤❤❤

@rcpmac

16 күн бұрын

You mean theft.

@sheepXYM

16 күн бұрын

@@rcpmac You mean Britain

@arcandcardinal968

13 күн бұрын

If by magic you mean genocide, then yeah

No need to be bullying the attendees 😢....just stand still and shoot a video. Chaving people to make space for your shot doesn't look cool

Without a doubt china leads in the EV market far ahead of others..

@arcandcardinal968

13 күн бұрын

Lmaooo🤣🤣🤣 "without a doubt☝️🤓" if you looked on even chinese social media you would see that there have been many accidents such as spontanious combustion, airbag deployment failure, suspensions falling apart, etc. Keep thinking that, you know its not true😏 tesla is leading, their technology farrr surpases those cheap chinese knockoff brands. How is china leading in evs when their tap water isnt even safe to drink and their air quality is in the mid hundreds🤡🤡🤡 they aint going nowhere🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

As long as we have affordable price car , who care ?😂

@zhengyunli800

12 күн бұрын

You don't get it. Excuses will be discussed in advance and used for future policies to ban Chinese EV.

When can't compete, change the rules.

@darthhideousuk

16 күн бұрын

That's the American do during the Olympics

There were some subsidies in the early years of EV development in China, but all the car companies competing in Chinese market enjoyed the same subsidies, including Tasla and many other companies from Germany and Japan! For example, if customer buys an EV(no matter it is from China or abroad), customer can get a 10% discount(means government will pay the 10% for customer). But such kind of subsidies were long gone!

Protectionism never helped any country, look at Argentina today. But in the US, even in 10 years GM leadership will explain to us that gasoline cars are better, because they create jobs.

The MG cyerster is amazing. Why it costs only 30k in china and 50k here is greed. We should be making them here.

@YizhouSun-ql6li

12 күн бұрын

In China, MG has a bad sale, because Chinese people have much more choices, better but cheaper. Come here to China, try to hire one, drive, and you will love it.

China is also propping up Huawei in huge ways, including banning Apple products in government buildings and having its investments in Africa go to state interests (e.g. Huawei).

Huge contrast between how China went about EVs compared to the US. In the US, most car manufacturers wanted to make EVs a luxury vehicle instead of selling vehicles that were cheaper that more could afford.

Those charging stations is what’s putting china 🇨🇳 ahead 12 minutes that’s efficient.!!

@rcpmac

16 күн бұрын

You aren’t very smart are you

@i6power30

16 күн бұрын

By building the most coal powered plants in the world.

@user-vj6dm8hb1p

16 күн бұрын

@@i6power30 中国新能源太阳能发电也是最多的，比欧美国家总和还多，这你咋不说呢？

@user-sh3pd5et1n

16 күн бұрын

​@@i6power30keep crying 😢🇨🇳📈

@i6power30

16 күн бұрын

@@user-sh3pd5et1n I'm not crying. Just stating the fact. Though I recognize that coal plant is still better than ice car tail pipe emissions

I have seen first time Chinese EV in BBC

Wait a minute, didn't the Indians/India said in year 1998 that they will be superpower by 2020 (Meme: India superpower by 2020) and they are the "leader/voice" of the Global South Countries and the GLOBAL teacher of the entire world (Vishvaguru) and this 21st century will be India's century (Modi said that)? Elon Musk is not taking the bait? 🤭🤣😂

BYD has almost total vertical supply chain integration. That's why they can sell their cars way cheaper than anyone else. Subsidies, if anything, makes them more on equal footing with domestic brands after factoring tariffs. The west needs to face the fact that they can not compete in mass production and that it's only hope to remain competitive in a modern global market is to pursue new and innovative technologies. That is our comparative advantage and we would be wise to exploit that.

@danielwhyatt3278

16 күн бұрын

I couldn’t agree with you more. That and more bloody subsidies for Western EV car companies and those that have/will promise to go full electric and/or hydrogen.

Byd alone battery tech is amazing, steal that shit

Yes, that's why US trying to ban them 😂

How many times were American car companies bailed out? Nowadays, car price is too high in Northamerica. Do not know why. More competition is great for the consumers.

Someone hasn’t seen the exploding cars

Oh BBC, you left out the filter from hell

China is the future ❤❤❤

BYD will push down the price further because its has heavily invested in end to end supply chain , from mining, shipping, semiconductors, software, AI and battery.

Elon Musk postponed the unimportant and announced meeting (India) scheduled on 21-22 April 2024 and attended the important and unannounced meeting (China) on 28 April 2024 instead? 🤔😏🤭😅

Vehicles should be utility, shouldn't be that expensive in the first place.

Doesn't Telsa has a factory in Shanghai with the same supply chain advantage? Tariffs? Like anyone, people in China or Europe wants value for $

This idea of overproduction is against the very concept of free market. And it's the western, I mean more than anyone, who were calling for an action to reduce pollution but when this is realized why do they cry?

@evilleader1991

Күн бұрын

Because they simply cannot compete, China started investing heavily in this technology 15 years ago and now they are bearing fruit for their work...

Huh. Norway has subsidies to help buyers offset the cost of evs. Eventually no subsidies will be needed.

China government has been supporting EV for more than 10 years. Now it makes big difference for China to become leading power in advanced EV technology and efficiency of production. One third of new cars sold in China 2023 is EV and the ratio keeps growing.

1:13 He ruined the group photo.

@metricstormtrooper

9 күн бұрын

He is a loud Australian, some of us are ignorant like that.

In a word, YES. there should be an inquiry into subsidies to European and American car makers. The playing field is level, it just the west doesn't like playing on it.

@JonySmith-bb4gx

8 күн бұрын

Agreed

ARE THEY PLAYING WITH THE SCREENS OR GOING TO DRIVE

Is it fair to sell the car over price?

Yes. They eating everyones lunch whilst Europe and the US twiddle their thumbs. Reduces their dependence on foreign oil, something we can all agree is good for every country.

Maybe our governments need to stop infighting and get on the ball, more subsidies/support and take the need for charging stations seriously.

Electric car driving is a luxury experience, much quieter than ICE vehicles, and more convenient to own, with charging points in every house. The charging infrastructure outside of the home will mature in ~10 years, it’s ahead of its time, for now. I own a Chinese flashlight, and it’s very clear, even from this small product, with bidirectional charging, that the Chinese are at parity with the best in battery technology, if they haven’t already eclipsed the world in battery technology.

In another words they can't compete with the Chinese. 😂

Every government gives subsidies to their key industries. Airbus, Boeing, US and EU governments give subsidies to EV and green tech industries as well, maybe not as much as China. But there is nothing wrong with subsidies in general. Compete by giving your local companies more subsidies, not protectionist tarrifs.

China to BYD "we support you, go forth and conquer". Biden to Tesla "you are second rate, wait for GM" *not direct quotes

Elon Musk postponed a planned trip to India where he was to meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi, citing obligations at Tesla, and went to China for business talks instead. How will the extremely superpower India punish this guy for his insolence? You do not simply arrange a meeting with Narendra Modi and cancels it at the last minute. That is not cool, bro. What is even worse is that you had cancelled this meeting just for China. 🤔😏😭

Tesla got subsidies from the Chinese government. VW and others are getting bilions in subsidies from the US, Canada and EU. In any case, the thing is that in China you can still by an entry level car. And the question should be why VW, GM and others can sell their cars in CHina much cheaper than in the US or EU? And as for EV's it is way more than 30% of Chinese sales now because there is the infrastructure to support it. You can charge inexpensively everywhere and instead of complaining if other countries want EVs they should invest in that as well

What will Bidet think about these? Ban EV just like how they ban TikTok?

@dimsumden5745

12 күн бұрын

and Huawei

Computation is good. At least we could drive cheap and good cars 😊

Are the so called subsidies the environment fees waived off? But it's only 3000 yuans (about $400) per car.

Good value for money! Alien concept, for British manufacturers

Poor western car makers..... Week western politicians..... Be brave enough for fair competition.....

There are only main Chinese players on the field....with the exception of Tesla...most western automakers are not even present. Hard to call it a race.

What about the battery fires? Later what is the cost to replace batteries in the future, or are these like cell phones, just purchase new ones.

The big car companies has been selling overpriced cars for too long.

US and Western Europe manufacturers are in no position to apprehend the gross impacts to have befallen on the Vehicles manufacturers ; and their valued cars that have prevailed for decades .. European and Japanese car manufacturers may simply stand no chance to this present imbroglio trying moments ..

When US and Europe talk about unfair advantage due to government subsidy, they are talking about themselves.

It's never fair unless you win.

Wait so its wrong for the country to subsidise its own companies??

As an electric vehicle owner/driver, I think you can’t really beat them. My current Renault Zoe has been with me for nearly five years. I find it more comfortable, reliable and easy to drive than any of her petrol predecessors.

@gg.youlubeatube6249

16 күн бұрын

You didnt ride a good petrol car, do you ?

@i6power30

16 күн бұрын

@@gg.youlubeatube6249 Petrol cars are noisy and vibrating engine. what's so good about that? Sure dependin on the use case , you still need petrol cars for long distance travel. But for in town errands, EV beats petrol every single time.

@koda3967

16 күн бұрын

And in how many years will you need to replace that battery which costs half the price of a new car?

@i6power30

16 күн бұрын

@@koda3967 15 years.

@i6power30

16 күн бұрын

Let me give you an idea.. Buy a phev. If most of your trips are in town commutes you can save all the petrol fuel money by plugging in at night when you sleep. And only need to buy petrol when you go out of town a couple times a year. Perfect of both worlds and you don't need to worry about car inoperable when the battery degradation after many years as you still have a patrol engine which should last much longer because of its low usage. It beats having two cars taking up your garage space.

Yes they are. They build most of the Teslas and every other make of car too

The British are watching with mixed emotions as China provides the world with high-quality and affordable goods！

@metricstormtrooper

9 күн бұрын

The British are no longer of any consequence since Brexit.

Yes.

1:11 This person... walking around

ITS THE BATTERY TECHNOLOGY

People seem to think that Elon is some kind of idiot. I'd call him a Mad Genius.

@mikafiltenborg7572

16 күн бұрын

Tesla model Y was the Best selling carmodel on planet Earth in year 2023

@Ianmundo

16 күн бұрын

his purchase and running of Twitter was quite idiotic, his Cybertruck pet-project produced a quite stupid design which tanked the share price of Tesla, and his solar and tunnel-boring companies are failures. Not a lot of evidence of genius

@silveriver9

16 күн бұрын

​​@@mikafiltenborg7572 BYD says hold my beer 😂

Absolutely yes

Cheap ev is absolutely a win win. Its good for the environment, good for the economy. But, UK will just do what the American say and put 100% tariff on it so to price you off the road.

dont these cars just go on fire all the time 😂

UK wasted more than £20billion during Iraq and Afghanistan war. Just imagine if that money was invested to build EVs.

How apple can compete in price its charge too much

The Europeans and Americans apart from Tesla were asleep at the wheel. They had the opportunity to develop the tech years ago but preferred to try preserve the convenient status quo.

US government subsidies their automobile industry as well, but no one mentioned

I am wondering if these Chinese EVs will be included with a pack of marshmellows.

@jacksmith-mu3ee

7 күн бұрын

Why ?

Well maybe the European and American government should give even more subsidize to electric cars, they are still a lot more expensive than gas cars here

China has very robust and efficient supply chains for EV manufacturing. That is why the industry is competitive.

So funny. But China definitely leading the EV race. But you can set high import duty on Chinese EV car to get some time for European car manufacturers. I think that is impossible, because EU always argue about everything for a long long time.

Yeah the power house for now