Is Buyside Out of School the Best Path?

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Although most people have to wait a few years before they can enter the buyside, the most elite candidates at the most finance oriented programs can sometimes break in out of school. There are a handful of top private equity firms and hedge funds that will each hire a few analysts every year, but does that mean you should definitely take their offer?
Being a buyside analyst puts you on the fast track and you'll get paid more, but it can be intimidating if you aren't technically prepared. These firms typically have a lower tolerance for mistakes and there's less training infrastructure. You might also miss out on broader recruiting opportunities that are only available to bankers and consultants.
0:00 - Intro
0:35 - Typical Buyside Path
2:19 - Firms that Target Students
3:28 - Pros of Buyside Out of School
4:30 - Cons of Buyside Out of School
6:45 - Conclusion
Peak Frameworks is a business career prep service started by Matt Ting and Patrick Fong, who have each spent several years working in investment banking and private equity in New York and Silicon Valley. Matt and Patrick met at Evercore, a top tier investment bank, and over the years have tutored and coached dozens of candidates to land their dream business job.
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  • @samwhaddad
    @samwhaddad3 жыл бұрын

    You should do a video on lateraling. I think it’s a topic people avoid talking about but a lot are interested in it.

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    This is an awesome suggestion, we'll add this to the top of the list and try to get something soon!

  • @laurencetarquinio6716
    @laurencetarquinio67162 жыл бұрын

    Damn this video was still accurate to the most recent recruiting cycle. Crazy how good your info is man.

  • @dryden40
    @dryden403 жыл бұрын

    Could you make a video of a day in the life when you were in IB, and compare that to a day in the life of being in PE?

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    Really good suggestion, we'll add this to the list!

  • @EmilyWash

    @EmilyWash

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PeakFrameworks Great idea!

  • @josestubbs9379
    @josestubbs93793 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos definitely will be using your service to help me get into investment banking and private equity

  • @matthew1465
    @matthew14653 жыл бұрын

    Can you do a video on the required skills & techniques you must know for IB interviews?

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sounds good, we'll add it to the list!

  • @long_fellow
    @long_fellow3 жыл бұрын

    Maybe you're already on this, but could you also do a video on associate-level recruiting and career paths on-wards?

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the suggestion! Will add that to the list. We've been focusing on analyst stuff a lot lately because they're starting now, but think it's important to get to associates too at some point!

  • @TaseenSaqeeb
    @TaseenSaqeeb3 жыл бұрын

    Could you please cover Canadian S&T scopes in one of your next videos!!

  • @aydinturgut4579
    @aydinturgut4579 Жыл бұрын

    Awesome video! I'm going to be starting college as a freshman at a target and was wondering if you had any more tips on what I can do to maximize my chances of being one of the few analysts who does break into the buy-side immediately? Thanks!

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    Жыл бұрын

    Be one of the top students at your school, get IB internship in sophomore year, have great finance extra curricular experience

  • @JoseDelgado-vn1qp
    @JoseDelgado-vn1qp3 жыл бұрын

    Can you please make a video on venture capital?

  • @zackrodriguez6653
    @zackrodriguez66533 жыл бұрын

    I am currently interviewing with several BBs and I would say middle market PE outfits. Should I just go with IB per the benefits of IB and the cons of PE, that may otherwise be exacerbated at smaller firms, that you lay out in the video?

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    I lean towards BBs, depending on what specific PE firms you're thinking of. If you have a good relationship with the MM PE, I'm sure they'd hire you after you did IB. I would look at where their associates have come from - chances are their credentials might be worse than IB. I would maybe pick MM PE if you've already summered there and know it's a place you want to be longer term. Or if it's in a really competitive geography that doesn't frequently have new openings.

  • @davontawilliams3958
    @davontawilliams3958 Жыл бұрын

    What are the top hedge fund companies?

  • @salinna6731
    @salinna67313 жыл бұрын

    Great contents! How large is the disadvantage of non target vs. target for exit opps into MF, assuming both candidates are at a top bank and group?

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's hard to quantify, but the people at the very top target schools at Evercore with otherwise the same resume probably got 1.5-2x as many look as I did. The advantage is even more stark if you're talking about interviews given out on the first day. However, if you're at a top group / firm, you'll still get looks from a few MFs. One important caveat is that the buyside target schools are going to be different from the banking schools. I found that Harvard, Princeton, Yale have some benefits with firms, but IMO schools like Penn and NYU have too many banking candidates to give much of an edge. Diversity hiring is also really important for PE firms, probably more important than the school.

  • @prithakshrestha

    @prithakshrestha

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PeakFrameworks diversity as in what? Schools or race or anything?

  • @salinna6731

    @salinna6731

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PeakFrameworks Appreciate the break down, very helpful. What's your take on MF credit offer vs. top BB industry offer for a non-target kid? Given the long term goals is to end up at buy-side skewing toward work-life balance. Really hoping to get your opinion on this, thanks.

  • @salinna6731

    @salinna6731

    3 жыл бұрын

    To add-on, the concern mainly revolves around difficulties of lateraling from top BB to desirable MF from a non-target. Thought that it'd be easier to lateral between MFs than BB to MF (competing against targets kids on-cycle recruiting.)

  • @jasonr7353
    @jasonr73533 жыл бұрын

    What are some of the finance focused schools that you said you would need to attend in order to get into the buy side straight out of college?

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    I've seen PE analysts from the following schools: Penn, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Cornell, Ivey, Michigan, Notre Dame. I'm sure there are other schools that place onto the buyside, but those are ones where I have specific data points.

  • @jasonr7353

    @jasonr7353

    3 жыл бұрын

    Peak Frameworks thank you!

  • @louisabbott5440
    @louisabbott54403 жыл бұрын

    Love your vids!

  • @juniorjr5328
    @juniorjr53283 жыл бұрын

    Should I move from corporate banking to buy side fixed income analyst? Which has better job security in the long term

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure, I don't know very many buy side fixed income analysts. Corporate banking is pretty great as it relates to job security though.

  • @pehf1717
    @pehf17173 жыл бұрын

    What's your view on joining a MM PE over a BB/EB out of school?

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    I personally take BB/EB. Depends a little bit on what you mean by MM, but you're going to get way more looks if you just go straight into banking.

  • @pehf1717

    @pehf1717

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PeakFrameworks Thanks for your reply. But I see nearly all the investment professionals have a BB/EB background. Would that change anything?

  • @alexs8989
    @alexs89893 жыл бұрын

    Do you consider as non-finance jobs corporate positions in big companies such as CFO, treasurer and the like? Would it hurt your chances of landing such a job, choosing PE over a large IB?

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    I didn't consider those positions, but that would be the corporate finance path. Tends to be a little more popular later in life (post 30). And nah, you can definitely do it out of PE. Might actually be easier coming from PE vs. IB.

  • @alexs8989

    @alexs8989

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PeakFrameworks Thanks a lot!

  • @laurencetarquinio6716
    @laurencetarquinio67162 жыл бұрын

    "...if you have the opportunity to do so at a good firm." What is considered a "good firm"? It is hard to decide. Apollo, KKR, Ares, and BX recruited really heavily on campus recruiting this year (and very early). Now there are still a lot of big firms recruiting as well as MM firms.

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    2 жыл бұрын

    I personally wouldn't go to a MM firm out of school unless you're pretty confident you want to grow your career there. Just because headhunters probably won't reach out to you as much, you lose the IB training ground, and you don't have as much mobility

  • @AT82Vienna
    @AT82Vienna3 жыл бұрын

    Random question: What background music are you using for this? So relaxing!

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yo, I pull my background music from Splice. This is the loop I used for this video: splice.com/sounds/samples/50f1b52650f1c3f138b65e01a57968dea45b3afb2a896b711cf86fb9fa2562dc/soul-surplus-lo-fi-hip-hop-jazz-music-rnb-sample

  • @AT82Vienna

    @AT82Vienna

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PeakFrameworks Thanks! :-)

  • @ebitdareadthebook1535
    @ebitdareadthebook15353 жыл бұрын

    Nice opportunity to go straight bs out of college. I'm guessing blackstone would be the best shot there.

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    Blackstone has a big program. KKR, Silver Lake, Point 72, LGP, Ares all consistently take people too.

  • @gabrielharris3612
    @gabrielharris36123 жыл бұрын

    How do you rate a firm like BlackRock? Not PE or hedge fund, but is a large buyside firm.

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think your career is going to be better served at a traditional PE / hedge fund. BlackRock is viewed much more of an asset manager and for its ETF products vs. being a great, alpha-generating PE or HF. I think comp tends to be a little bit lower because bonus pools are spread across a lot more people. Still a great place to be, but I would prefer to do IB at most places rather than graduate into BlackRock. You can always go to BlackRock after.

  • @dangbiga2231
    @dangbiga22313 жыл бұрын

    Please do a video about corporate finance and corporate devolpment salary and career path

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    OK great, we'll put that on the list!

  • @Jack-xg1ep
    @Jack-xg1ep3 жыл бұрын

    7:55

  • @user-df9vk9gi5o
    @user-df9vk9gi5o3 жыл бұрын

    Hey, love the video!! I study at the london school of economics as an economics major how hard do you think it would be for me to get into investment banking in the USA cause im not a citizen of the US/UK

  • @PeakFrameworks

    @PeakFrameworks

    3 жыл бұрын

    What's your citizenship? Unless you're Canadian / UK / Mexican, it can be tough to land a job without having gone to school in the US. Canada and Mexico are protected as you can get a TN visa (easier than H1B).

  • @user-df9vk9gi5o

    @user-df9vk9gi5o

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PeakFrameworks ​ I am Malaysian citizen, do banks sponsor H1B, and how much harder will it be for me compared to the normal applicant. I have a 4.0 and idk about the US but lse is the best for econ in Europe