Have a look at how New Zealand went from First Past The Post to proportional representation twenty years ago. We have had stable governments since with minor parties involved in coalition. The violent swings in policy have lessened and people know that their party vote will determine the shape of parliament.

@sambland3903

4 жыл бұрын

You guys also ban people from speaking in your country so you know. Win some lose some.

@emm_arr

4 жыл бұрын

@@sambland3903 People have to use sign language and txt because it's illegal to speak in New Zealand. Yeah. Sure. What a load of shut.

@pauldrake1858

4 жыл бұрын

Ian: I also live in New Zealand and I agree that proportional representation is better than first past the post. But when I lived in Australia it was the preferential system; that's where you vote 1,2,3 etc No 2 is added to 1 and 3 is added to 1. That's the best system.

@hfelici

4 жыл бұрын

Stable goverment? Jails have stable goverments. What we want is FREEDOM and you have freedom when you have some power over MP. With PR you give all power to party leaders and you create a party leader oligarchy

@emm_arr

4 жыл бұрын

@@hfelici "and you have freedom when you have some power over MP" Do you? How so?

The UK is very undemocratic. You get to vote once every 5 years for a candidate you didn't choose, standing for policies you didn't choose and with the first past the post system, if you vote against the majority in your constituency, you vote is ignored completely. On a day to day basis you have no say at all. You go to work and your boss tells you what to do. Your creating the profit your boss enjoys but have no say in what is done with the profits you make.. You can vote for a local councillor but they have no individual power... In our town, a few years ago there was a deeply unpopular traffic warden, everyone complained but it made no difference. This was until he gave a parking ticket top the local duke. Suddenly he disappeared and we had no traffic warden for 3 years. Amazingly, the world didn't grind to a halt and the town got on perfectly well without one.. This is where the power lays...

@taniamagnusson3177

4 жыл бұрын

chris malcomson There is no democracy in the modern world. People use this word without a least knowledge of its definition. The one and the only democratic state was Ancient Greece that established democratic state principles which Romans buried together with the state. If anybody ridiculously says that there’s democracy in the UK, it makes me laugh. The country without a written constitution followed by the precedented law going back to many centuries ago, the strongest and the most politically powerful monarchy in the world, top levelled discrimination of all population including English as well, corrupted police and government doesn’t have the right to shout about their democratic values all over the world unless it wants the circus goes on.

@taniamagnusson3177

4 жыл бұрын

Albert Pike Clean your brains from pasta.

@ChateuDeIF

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry Chris. If you open your own business, you can do and spend the profit how you choose. The risk lies with you. If it goes tits up, you also lose all your investment. So being the boss is a responsibility. You want a voice, work your way up the ladder or start your own business. As for candidates you didn't choose. Well the onus of picking your political candidate is like picking a winner in a horse race. The horse best suited on the day wins. In the case of voting, it's clear that whomever wins the most seats wins. Thems the rules. If you feel so strongly, go into politics. Again all up to you.

@cyrilo-ol5xb

4 жыл бұрын

@Albert Pike Albert, the EU is not perfect, far from it...But, the rule of the ignorant mob can never fix that...On the other hand, membership of the EU, with influence can...Regards M8.

@cyrilo-ol5xb

4 жыл бұрын

@Albert Pike Albert my friend, get a grip...At our age leave it to the young to decide..We've both passed our sell by date...You remind me of another brexiteer, my friend Brian, he's 84 and he and I are still good friends..Take care M8

I had no idea there was a referendum on "First past the post". Anyone else?

@Jordan-tx6kv

3 жыл бұрын

no but I'm fuming that it lost that well sad

@dotty1774

2 жыл бұрын

Was just below voting age at that time 😢. And had no idea it was happening anyway

"Isn't the problem that PR leads to unstable goverments " - As if we had worthy governments with the present system..

@Jordan-tx6kv

3 жыл бұрын

legit. and tbh the tory and labour parties are both divided anyway so may as well have coalitions

Priti Patel is enacting a bill later this week in which protests can be such down by police, if they consider the protest “noisy”, “disruptive” or “inconvenient”. That includes one-person protests. This is the death of any shred of British ‘democracy’ that we had left

As an American we don’t even have a democracy we have an oligarchy... You brits actually have a decent system! Love from 🇺🇸 I’d love to move there!

@kimwarburton8490

4 жыл бұрын

it's better, but still not good enough. 1 vote every 5 years n we have no input on stuff that goes through parliment inbetween n some things get passed n by time of next election, it's too late n 'x' thing cannot be reversed, such as universal credit which has been causing 120,000 unnecessary deaths each year :(

@walkinbeauty7273

4 жыл бұрын

A decent system? You got jokes!

@omnishambles4477

4 жыл бұрын

How is the US an oligarchy? It's clearly a representative democracy

@voteforno.6155

4 жыл бұрын

@@omnishambles4477 It's nearly impossible to vote against Goldman Sachs, Exxon Mobil, Boeing, Pfizer, or AIPAC. That's what it means to live in an oligarchy.

@omnishambles4477

4 жыл бұрын

@@voteforno.6155 That's a problem with lobbying money and party funding, not the system itself

The preferential system used for the Australian House of Representatives (preferential voting - you have to number every candidate in order of your preference ) could be most easily transferred to the Commons. Every electorates member must get at least 50%. A twist on this is the NSW legislative assembly where you don’t have to number every candidate

An Ancient Greek philosopher once said ‘The people who make the best slaves are those who believe they live in a democracy’. We’re given just enough to keep us manageable.

Fact we are not a 'democracy' has come out since EU issue started. It was always simmering on a back burner but now it's at boiling point. Common sense has never been a 'forte' of politicians as they mostly blow with the wind of the party, power or money.

Britain needs a system of proportional representation, but it also needs to become a modern democratic republic with a formal written constitution.

@yamyam2987

5 ай бұрын

🤡🤡🤡🤡

Proud Brit and I love the queen ❤️. I’m 13 and in my school most of my mates say they like the monarchy they just don’t care. Not that we want to get rid of it.

@varun2440

3 жыл бұрын

yeah our queen also invaded india and made them poor, still proud

@anti-animepolice7881

3 жыл бұрын

@@varun2440 She didn't, India was already poor, but ok

@WELLINGTON20

3 жыл бұрын

If you slander the queen you can be executed

@hammer3721

2 жыл бұрын

@@anti-animepolice7881 India was one of the richest countries in the world before the Brits and the French showed up.

@keifer7813

2 ай бұрын

You'll grow up

this is really informative but oh god the constant movement of the camera is driving me insane

@damuvang1915

3 жыл бұрын

I get dizzy just watching this. Like my eyes just constantly lose focus.

A good video. It points out the big problems with the British system. But I think it is important to mention that Democracy did not just mean "people have the power" it means that people legitimize the power. So as long as the majority is satisfied with their system and it is approved in a secret informed vote the system is democratic. So less direct control but a better informed society can be much more democratic. For this reason countries like Switzerland aren't automatically the most democratic when you ask experts. In most cases Norway and Sweden are ranking at the Top. (Switzerland has a problem with big money and the press)

@shonagraham2752

4 жыл бұрын

The power is already illegitimate in Scotland, NI & Wales because England already has more mps than all three combined, hence devolution after it imposed Thatcher on them. It would completely explode if it went to proportional representation and culled SNP etc - even less representation and guaranteed independence, resistance, terrorism

@johnhobbes2268

4 жыл бұрын

@Norbert Kausen Many experts are criticizing the role of the Swiss media. Especially the Blocher press. Direct democracy is very vulnerable for populism which makes yellow press much more dangerous. In most studies Switzerland is in the top 10 of most democratic nations, but I haven't seen them on first place in any study. (But there is almost no real difference between place 1 and 25) Depending Norway: I was never there so I don't have a real opinion about their satisfaction level. But If you compare ppp Norway (70k) is still wealthier than Switzerland (60k). So the higher prices aren't that much higher. (Germany 50k).

@johnhobbes2268

4 жыл бұрын

@@shonagraham2752 If I would be Scottish or Irish I would definitely be unsatisfied, too. Malta has more power in the EU than Scotland has inside the UK. I'm not even if I would see the London rule as legitimate if I would be from NI. There is always a danger in giving to much power to the regions (Look at Italy) but in the UK the power of the local governments is a joke. I think Germany and the surrounding countries have a perfect balance. (Except France)

@tandrichter

4 жыл бұрын

Norbert, how right you are! Add Sweden to the list. High taxes and high prices. It's still a constitutional monarchy just like Norway and UK , but it feels like living in a Socialist Republic and as a Brit living in Sweden you'd feel it instantly. Democracy also means being treated fairly by institutions and having rational/reasonable and practical laws and procedures. Remember the old House of Lords motto, 'hard cases make bad laws'. Out of all European countries, only UK practises it and lives by it. Sweden, Norway, Germany , Belgium, France are ridden by policing procedures, rules and laws that put individual life in a straitjacket as the worst case and exception rather than the rule underscore each procedure, rule and law or government policy. Try and change your name, register a car, apply for/renew your passport , pay your taxes in any of these countries or establish your own company, including in Norway and Sweden and you will take the first flight to UK. It's all relative, isn't it? We should thank our lucky stars we live in UK.

@shonagraham2752

4 жыл бұрын

They're not regions they're countries as well as Celtic nations along with Cornwall and Isle of Man.

2 advantages of the additional member system over STV. 1. It maintains a clear link between you and your MP. 2. It isn't a preferential system, so if we have a referendum it cannot be legitimately claimed that we have already had a referendum on the matter. It does have 2 potential disadvantages though. 1. It could be less proportional, especially in places like Scotland. 2. It relies on party lists, making it hard to get rid of a disliked politician in a party that has some broad support.

5:15 You forgot to mention that the Alternative Vote method isn't proportional either. Simulations showed it would yield a less proportional House than FPTP! We had a referendum to pick between two bad voting systems.

22 years ago, 1 politician lost a safe seat. Wow 😂 We use ranked preference here and it's much more democratic than the UK in my opinion. There's practically no such thing as a safe seat.

All MPs love us. It doesn't matter who you vote for. They have all our interests at heart. xx

@_S0S0

4 жыл бұрын

🤣

@Thereisanalienpresenceonearth

4 жыл бұрын

Are you being sarcastic

@stevensmith686

4 жыл бұрын

What planet do you live on ffs

@Greenpoloboy3

4 жыл бұрын

Of course not......@@Thereisanalienpresenceonearth

@matthewbritton4149

4 жыл бұрын

Dont make me laugh🤣😃👏👏👏🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

the only thing that is democratic in brittain is the bad weather.Everybody gets that.

We have 59 seats here in Scotland, England has over 500. What's the point voting when we never agree on anything and get things their way...

6:46 - nice dart board

@za.monolit

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up

It doesnt matter in a democracy the government is accountable to the people . Not in the Uk the government is accountable to the queen

whats with the shaky graphics at the back

Britain will achieve democracy ony if one family rule dynasty is abolished.

No way fair. The poor green party has upto 10% support of the public, but that translates to only a couple of seats.

@erikzoe1

4 жыл бұрын

Only one seat, actually.

Will be good if can also cover UK's two party or multi-party system? In many countries, though they call themselves democratic, but really only have one big dominating party as government and few to none as their shadow

As far as I can see, the UK is a great country with independent courts, and people get to vote, and they do have a chance to change something. Maybe the political system in general isn't perfect but still it's fairly democratic. I would love to live to the UK!

@Jb-zx2fw

3 ай бұрын

We get to vote for 2 guys we don't like or are trained to like, your welcome anytime!

This is why it pisses me when I hear Brits claim at least they are a democracy !

@ShrunkedDude

4 жыл бұрын

It's even more of a laughing matter when living in Scotland, especially with Brexit.

@joycerouget2379

4 жыл бұрын

The Uk is the 12th best democracy in front of USA and France.

@mississippiball1003

4 жыл бұрын

@@joycerouget2379 yea that's a lie because they still have Kings and Queens

@alexilsley897

4 жыл бұрын

Mississippi ball but you realise her majesty doesn’t do anything un democratic to us? She has no political power and her rights are ceremonial. Let us Brits decide and not you yanks.

@frenzwilliamuyguangco605

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexilsley897 true keep your lovely queen

The irish Republic is a good example of how a democracy can be. A democratic Republic with proportional representation. no monarchy as head of law church or army . seperation of church and state no house of lords with hereditary titles. Neutrality and not member of NATO. local governments and national and European healthcare and education standardised including eurasmus etc. A President with cultural diplomatic role not like France. for any possible changes to Constitution by democratic referendums put to population

A federal republic with proportional representation and assemblies for each nation as well as both the north and south of england and a fully independant judiciary would just about fix it. Plus the abolition of tax havens and the city of london, and use of internet based polls, petitions and referenda to participate directly in aspects of local government to increase engagement... literally none of this will ever happen though.

@fearghal10

4 жыл бұрын

@@hfelici Good point, I should clarify that I dont mean direct PR, but rather the transferable vote system where you rank you choices 1234, that way you still get a local MP, while mitigating strategic voting and alowing space for minor parties. As it stands, millions of people would probably vote Green, but choose to vote Labour so as to keep out the Tories or Lib Dems in their area, and we're stuck with a functionally two party system suffocated by partisanship.

@hfelici

4 жыл бұрын

@@fearghal10 STV is not PR, depends on the size of the constituencies. STV gives you 4 o 5 MP for a big constituency, each one has 30% or so of votes. Two round system for a small constituency, gives you ONE MP with 51% of votes (USA system). THIS IS YOUR MP, you can call/write/see him. He depends on you. He is more independant of party leader. Politics is about power

only two countries in the world have reserved seats in their parliament for ministers of their established religion, the UK and Iran. Only two countries in Europe have a ridiculous unrepresentative electoral first past the post system, the UK and Belarus. At least Belarus doesn't have a feudal monarch. Not sure if it has parliamentary seats for its priests, though.

I think the title of this video is a little incomplete. The first past the post system is flawed, I agree. Funnily enough I thought it had changed, so I am obviously not too up to date!

Adopt proportional representation is also to transfer power from the citizens to the parties directories.

@grassytramtracks

Жыл бұрын

how is it really any worse than the current system?

Proportionate representation resullts in the minority ruling it over the majroity. I should know, in New Zealand we have a "Mixed Member Proportional" (MMP) system. Minority/fringe parties are the only ones who like MMP and in many cases they are the ones who get to decide who the government will be.

@hfelici

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly PR=oligarchy of the party leaders

The word democracy comes from the ancient greeks and literally means what the US has as a slogan "by, of and for the people". As far as I know, there is NO national government on this planet where people make policy. Zero. The Landesgeitmende in switzerland is about the closest where townspeople meet once a year and vote on policy. But thats only local government, not regional and certainly not national. Personally I think there is little point in arguing with somebody who would actually state that the politicians of their country actually represent them. Maybe in scandinavia and parts of europe, but I doubt even there. Of course there are relative variations. If you have NO elections and a tyrant or monarch who simply dictates policy, thats the opposite of democracy and you can recognize changes along that curve where some practices bring you closer to a democracy. I think the problem today is we've stopped moving along that curve. The Magna Carta was a document meant to take power from a tyrant and distribute it to Earls and Barons and those in 'regional' areas who didnt like being told what to do. The evolution should continue further to the public, but certainly in british commonwealth countries that didn't occur and we're still waiting. Nation states are actually a fairly new thing, and right now they are not run democratically. Maybe in the future, but certainly not now.

This is why you can tell people think parliament is a joke and we aren't democratic. We have parties like the monster party. We may have a say for the house of Commons but we don't have a say for the house of lords or who is queen. Therefore we aren't democratic. The house of lords and the queen are part of the parliament and so have a say. We only vote for a third of a parliament in essence. Which when you put it like that 2/3rd of the parliament which we don't vote for has a bigger say. It should just be one person and that's it but it doesn't work like that in Britain.

I wish there was a Kernowek (Cornis) National Assembly. M’ath Kernow, Kernow bys vyken!

How can it be a democracy when England has over 300 MPs Scotland has 59 wales has 20 and Northern Ireland has 10 In an equal hahaha joke equal United Kingdom that’s a tyranny not a democracy

@za.monolit

2 жыл бұрын

Because england has the most people. Duh.

I have a question: does PR lead to more extremist governments?

@dylanmau6606

2 жыл бұрын

No, it doesn’t. Since parties almost never get a majority they have to build coalitions to form a government and pass legislation. Extremist parties are nearly always just fringe groups.

Well given the one time we have a vote where it is one person one vote, no safe seats or wasted votes etc that parliament think they are permitted to just ignore it...

No of course it isnt. The top 10% owns 90% of everything. Its an oligarchy.

LET'S NOT KID OURSELVES, WE DON'T LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY, WE LIVE IN A PLUTOCRACY, EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE!

Total rubbish. I’ve lived in PR systems (Germany Holland Sweden) and those parliaments are never kicked out. The fear of a removal lorry outside number ten if a government gets kicked out means that that government failed to govern the country and has been thus ejected from number ten.

@hfelici

4 жыл бұрын

PR = oligarchy of the party leaders. PR is total corruption because there is no control. We in Spain know well

NOPE, waste of 13 minutes, we all know it it isn't so why do we waste air time lying?

I assume this was recent footage. The test of our democracy is surely whether the establishment honours the result of the EU referendum. Considering all these other elections is rather irrelevant at the moment.

Anyone who thinks they live in a parliamentary Democracy in the UK is severely deluded.

What UK coaltion happpened in 2017? He did say that at 9:00 right?

It is not correct to state that judges of the UK Supreme Court are appointed for life. Under the provisions of the Judicial Pensions and Retirement Act 1993, the individual terms of judges are proscribed by a statutory age limit of 70 years of age, unless they were appointed before 31 March 1995, when it is then 75 years of age. The process of appointment is also independent via the respective Judicial Appointments Commission (England and Wales as well as Northern Ireland) and Judicial Appointments Board (Scotland). Recommendations are made to the Prime Minister and approved by The Queen. It is the US Supreme Court where justices are appointed under political influence for life terms but they are able to retire from office.

Of course not. We also need democracy in the workplace, but that idea is too extreme for Channel 4.

"House of Commoners" "House of Lords" "House of Windsor/royals"

"If voting made any difference it would be illegal" George Carlin

@hfelici

4 жыл бұрын

Voting makes a difference when you have power. inUk we still have power over your MP. With PR you will loose all power over politicians and the it won't make any difference what you vote, you will be in a party leader oligarchy

@dantaylor7344

4 жыл бұрын

@@hfelici In the UK we have NO power. Grow up and realise this please

@hfelici

4 жыл бұрын

@@dantaylor7344 you will have even less power with PR. You won't even have the power to choose MP. You won't have the power to talk/pressure your MP because you will have no MP.

@PostScarcitytCat

4 жыл бұрын

@@dantaylor7344 JEREMY CORBONTHE COB MATTEE

@dantaylor7344

4 жыл бұрын

@@PostScarcitytCat Boris wazockywoo mattee

Democracy is in fact a real idea that actually does work when it is used. But we don't have a democracy at all in the UK. We never have had (not even close to having one). Voting for leaders is absolutely not a democracy, in fact the athenian backlash against elitist elections is what provoked the idea of democracy in the first place. Google Athens and sortition. Sortition is what was meant by democracy. Which is not what we have today. "It is accepted as democratic when public offices are allocated by lot" That is democracy. "and as oligarchic when they are filled by election" and that is what we have today. Oligarchy.

The workers democratic rights are directly determined by the capitalist levels of profit, the profit motive will always be the ruling factor.

we have a republic in America. They have a Monarchy that is the royal family allows to operate as a republic the queen can unilaterally override anything that the house of commons decides or remove a prime minister or declare a war.

@omnishambles4477

4 жыл бұрын

Name one time the monarch has done this in the last 100 years

@kimwarburton8490

4 жыл бұрын

but she would be destroyed if she did. If you've watched The Crown (historical drama of her life story, thus based on truth) You may remember some instances when parliament was begging her to get involved. (helped remind me of my modern history at school) she knows thats not her role. She is a guide only n all her education was about the constitution. she didnt get a general education until sometime after she was queen because of that focus. if she was going to, she would have done it post WW2 when we seemed to only have a choice between too old n too ill to run the country. not to mention scandals im not denying she has a stupid amount of power for a symbol. nor do i agree about all the trappings etc. I think we'll find she is the last of the royal royalty as it were. Will, harry n charles are all much more aware of normal reality, of environmental issues etc. As a family, they take their responsibilities very seriously. they know their family history. they know they can n will be killed if they act overtly against the interests of the masses. They r not gunna tip the scales

Preferential voting in Australia also has problems with parties bickering over who supports who. Democratic systems are still better than any other.

Well duh, the United States for example is a representative Democracy.

@advsttsvda4935

4 жыл бұрын

nah, it's rather corporational democracy, where only money matters

@KielanGaming

4 жыл бұрын

It's pseudo Democracy decided by who has the most funding by the money men who pull the strings, bit like most Western "Democracies"

@advsttsvda4935

4 жыл бұрын

true, but the US have full legal fundraising, which is obvious prove, that there "money makes the world go round".

@ageoflove1980

4 жыл бұрын

No its not. It only pretents to be. The top 10% owns 90% of everything. All senators are millionaires and are payed by lobby groups to vote in their interests. Its an oligarchy.

@hfelici

4 жыл бұрын

USA has the best political system in the world. Best separation of powers. Two real independent chambers. Legislators and executives elected in different elections. Europe is a joke. PR is high level corruption

Democracy means that the authority exists because the people wants it. It does not mean something or everything needs to be elected

Where there's complete licence to effectively lie Your way into power with dishonest pledges completely free of accountability what does that tell You?

re town councils; one feels unwanted, unwelcome n that they make it as difficult n secretive as possible. it puts people off being involved if they dont have family involved or not of the 'correct' breeding. from a west dorset perspective, conservative safe seat

The uk is under one system of government. That is to say no fundamental difference or opinions on how the country should be governed is prompted or introduced to the people. Examples include no islamic teaching or benefits are introduced to the people at young age this is fundamental difference anything so different as this example is never introduced another example no Republicanism is actively promoted or given airtime. This is not because people are not interested in such fundamentally different ideas but it is actively censored or actively distorted in order to silence it.

Tories have no chance of winning Hemsworth. 2019 election would show different.

Compulsory voting and proportional representation like in Belgium is the most democratic. Everyone has had his say and the one elected has the backing of the electorate.

@hfelici

4 жыл бұрын

BS. Politics is about power. In PR congressmen are just puppets pushing the butron the party leader orders. With PR there is no control of MP by rhe electors

In the U.K democracy was murdered as soon as the idea came about.It is the most undemocratic country i have lived in and i come from an ex communist republic.

@alanfleming4823

4 жыл бұрын

You clearly didn't spend a lot of time in the ex communist country you come from when it was 'communist'. Britain has its faults but we are not subjected to the dictatorship and tyranny that typified the Soviet Union and Soviet bloc countries. Ask your parents

@razorsharpful

4 жыл бұрын

@@alanfleming4823 You think "we are not subjected to the dictatorship and tyranny that typified the Soviet Union and Soviet bloc countries" and that`s the catch.What about the house of lords what excuse is there for that?Or 1800 electoral law....or sugar tax amongst other thing etc.I do suppose its very democratic of the political class in the U.K to make laws that do not affect them.Did u know that in Glasgow there was an incident where a guy got arrested for starring thru a pharmacy window?Hows that for civil rights huh!

When these UK or any of the european nations speak about dmemocracy, I just remember my Indian ancestors whom these brits, portuguese or french killed in order to suppress the freedom movement and irony is today they are being vocal about every nation being a democratic nation and a seccular nation where in still most countries still didnt attain freedom till date and are under british rule if you google it. Jallianwalah bagh is one such incident out of many which happened pre independence in India and brits massacred many Indians sadly and it is in our history

You forgot to mention multi seat constituencies👍

@Westportlad

4 жыл бұрын

He mentioned it with STV.

You're comparing apples with oranges @ 1:56 ... SNP only field candidates in Scotland, (a COUNTRY with a total population of less than 5 million), they won 35 of 59 seats. What % of SCOTLAND'S seats & votes did they win! FibDems field 650 candidates, won 11 seats with 2.4 million votes UK wide. IF you're going to compare FibDems with the SNP ... How many seats & what % of votes did they win in Scotland! From the way you present this it seems you're implying a 'more democratic' system would see the COUNTRY of Scotland represented by HALF the number of seats in London ... Quickest way to Scottish independence if Westminster go that route 😉

Who is the person hosting this show???

Democracy will win and we will get out. Come on Boris get it done.

@ChrisRowe

4 жыл бұрын

did you even watch the video?

it all went tits up since the councils became a power and a law of there own.. they take all the money from the tax and they decide who gets what

The answer is to remove party politics from the electoral process.

@willwilisovskywillis5273

4 жыл бұрын

How?

@snowstrobe

4 жыл бұрын

@@willwilisovskywillis5273 They can be banned from dorect campaigning, the candidates are not allowed to be campaign openly [tho a party could obv endorse one]. Then when MP, they are not owned by the party and can vote for what their electorte wants. Party politics was the result of the need to simplify the selection process. But modern technology now makes that process much easier.

@hfelici

4 жыл бұрын

One district, one representative, on two round system, representative wins by 51% of votes. Anyone with or without party can compete for the district seat. Then on another election, the people elect president. It's the original USA System, Hamilton coined "representative democracy"

Hmmmm Weimar Germany wasn't particularly stable using the proportional representation model

There is one way to answer that question and that is the answer to this question. When the British people voted to leave the European Union, did the United Kingdom leave on the scheduled deadline? Answer that question, and you will have the answer to the question in the video.

Britain is a partial democracy. Creating a fully democratic system would be simple if the largest parties that benefit from the current system cared to change it, which will likely be never. 1 - Switch to a mixed member proportional voting system 2 - Either abolish the House of Lords or reform it into a fully elected body 3 - Abolish the monarchy 4 - Create a written constitution

If we had a labour government , or if mao's deal had got through channel 4 would show no interest whatsover in the voting system - they never have before .

PR may be fairer, but as history shows, it really does lead to more unstable, less accountable politics. Split the difference and adopt AV.

It’s simple, I should be able to vote for any party I want to vote for not just four terrible parties.

Proportional voting is just as asinine. A smarter answer is what some states do here in the states, you have run-offs. The top two voters run in a run-off election a few weeks later so you always have people in office who get more than 50%. Preferences has been a nightmare in Australia. It's confusing and it brings in little bitty parties not to mention parties making deals for preferences.

@voteforno.6155

4 жыл бұрын

We have jungle primaries here in CA and it's not all it's cracked up to be, either.

The U.K. and the U.S. have much in common. (This isn't just a trite observation. The leadership and citizens of each country should learn from the example of their "special relationship" other.)

The system is not very equal is it life being a a non voted monarch judge etc, Lord... it is like North Korea, China, Russia, leaders who have been there 10+ years etc and no other person is given a chance a vote to be leader of something or it is like when a movie uses celebrity's not other great actors who can do the same job, so they never get known.

We had the chance to use proportional representation under the coalition in 2011, but squandered it

@mattd8725

4 жыл бұрын

That was "Alternative Vote" and it was a waste of time to even put it to the people to vote on as it was a dogs breakfast of a system that nobody really wanted. It was even less proportional than first past the post.

Just ask your Russian friends what would please them the most and do it. This is true patriotic democracy.

@TheTranceCartel

2 жыл бұрын

Russians unironically have more freedom than British or Australian citizens do

The British electoral system is undemocratic and unrepresentative, the first past the post system hails from an era long past when ordinary people first acquired a vote.....it needs badly to evolve. Democracy is about representation not competition, elections are not about winning or losing, minority groups need representation as much as the majority. In Britain significant minorities are at the very least under represented in Parliament, if Britain adopted a fairer P.R. system the crippled political landscape and current democratic stagnation evident in the U.K. would disappear. Coalition Governments representing both minority and majority groups are the norm in mature democracies across Europe, they are largely successful, indeed it is usually impossible for a single party to secure an overall majority in such parliaments. Lack of representation has led to the voices of minority groups not been heard and ignored by British Governments over many decades, this has bred frustration and apathy and helped bring Britain to it's present situation. Democracy needs to mature in Britain. I am an avid and neutral follower of UK politics from another European country.

We have never been a democracy we are a Constitutional Monarchy and with the exception under Cromwell, we always have been.

@Konstantinos1648

4 жыл бұрын

1. The UK has not been a REPUBLIC , the UK is democratic you don't have to not have a monarch in order to be democratic you have to not have monarch to be a republic , why do so many people confuse these two? 2 . Cromwell was a dictator and he was definitely not democratic. You wouldn't consider the UK a republic either at the time because it's the same with dictators

@bilbobaggins5938

4 жыл бұрын

@@Konstantinos1648 The UK didn't exist when Cromwell controlled Britain, and it's impossible for it to have existed then, owing to the reason that a king or queen must rule for there to be a kingdom, and without a king, queen, emperor or empress the state is a republic.

@samrowbotham8914

4 жыл бұрын

@@Konstantinos1648 It was for a short time under Cromwell but even the Great Cromwell understood that the English love Monarchy. A Constitutional Monarchy and a Democracy are incompatible and do not work together. The vote was given to the Common man to appease him and as we have seen in recent times the vote is ignored if it does not suit the Establishment.

@Konstantinos1648

4 жыл бұрын

@@bilbobaggins5938 except if it's a dictatorship

@bilbobaggins5938

4 жыл бұрын

@@Konstantinos1648 Dictatorships are not an exception, they're a form of republic.

Have no democracy in uk,

We are currently waiting for the Electoral Commission to redraw the boundaries and get rid of 50 M.P.s. This should go some ways to restoring democratic representation.

@emm_arr

4 жыл бұрын

I don't see how. Cameron couldn't give a good explanation either - but it did help his party, so his motives were obvious.

Just ask yourself a simple question, what other country would you rather live in?

A coalition WAS NOT formed in 2017. The Conservatives & DUP entered a confidence and supply agreement where DUP will support the government in key votes. Thus not sitting on the government benches or holding ministerial positions.... that’s is not what a coalition is.. as this video says

It is sad to say, but without proportional representation we are not democratic. The first past the post system is not democratic.It is is not undemocratic, nor democratic.

In the UK if Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales all vote one party and England votes another, England automatically wins, the systems rigged no matter what happens, all you can do is hope the English are being their usual selves.

Anyway, since the referendum, what, exactly is the fucking point?

Do your lead-in ads have to begin "Holy Sh**"....very poor taste.

@slimpikins1323

4 жыл бұрын

what are ads???

@Jimmy4video

4 жыл бұрын

The adds are from KZread.

No, not especially. But absolute democracy would probably be a complete nightmare.

Representative democracy is the problem. There will be a gradual shift towards more direct/participatory forms of democracy in the future

If it was a true democracy why no get us to vote on everything, The MP's always say they work on our behalf, Create a smart phone app, How much easier will it be to find out what the public really want, With checks and balances to make sure we only vote once, we can then vote in days not months, the cost will be dramatically lower, The MP's will know exactly what the people want in every aspect of life, There won't be any guess work, at the moment the situation is far to fluid and MP's think they know what the country wants, No one really knows until you ask us.

@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer

4 жыл бұрын

Please look at your fellow citizens/subjects and reconsider.

Your thumbnail description is misleading. You ask one question but go on to talk about our electoral system. Democracy is not just about politics.

The only problem with democracy is the average voter. I mean people think I could be Prime Minister.

How is there a risk of giving us independence, shows that English colonialism racist mindset from c4

How many people elected out PM?

@IanTdob1966

4 жыл бұрын

we don't and never have voted for PM's , we vote for local MP's and the party with largest amount seats forms the government , the party leader is then PM. I don't remember anyone complaining when Gordon Brown became PM.

@tomwilson5108

4 жыл бұрын

@@IanTdob1966 It's Bad either way

@sharp14x

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomwilson5108 No, because you elect the PM via electing a party. You know who will become PM as a consequence of electing your party.

@samaale7381

4 жыл бұрын

Tom W few thousand posh tofs down the south?

@tomwilson5108

4 жыл бұрын

@@samaale7381 that's the question answered then

Extremism is certainly not the sole preserve of the right.

An important bit of wording in this report was very wrong, re AV. We did NOT vote to 'keep FPTP in place', we voted AGAINST AV, as it was not an acceeptable alternative. It's really important you get that workding right, because advocates for reform constantly get the 'We already had a referendum on this' thrown back in our face... in the face of people who voted against AV. [And that was a direct failure of the Lib Dems.] Please do better.

@Competitive_Antagonist

4 жыл бұрын

As far as I can remember it had two options, move to AV or keep our current stystem. It would have been great to have a 3rd option for people who disliked both systems. Then we could have voted for a new system using the first past the post system.

@snowstrobe

4 жыл бұрын

@@Competitive_Antagonist If we could do three way questions on referendums, then the 2nd Brexit vote would be a dodle.

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