Correction on the weight of the 8KX - 500g without head-strap 850g with head-strap.

Thanks for putting that answer at the beginning. So refreshing.

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. I always feel manipulated when I’ve had to watch 20 mins for an answer. I know it’s being done to drive viewer retention numbers.

@shivorath

4 ай бұрын

Seemed like an annoying time waste to me, since he’d already put the answer in the thumbnail, but glad it worked for someone I guess.

Glad it's finally arrived. It does bring a lot of plus points for simming. Especially, if you already have base stations set up.🍻

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. The major test will be the weekend, MSFS and DCS. If I can finally read the glass cockpits I might cry 😂

Fantastic review and a fantastic headset! Congratulations on both 👏

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. I’m really hoping the euphoria remains, due to the vastly improved visual clarity.

I've owned one since Jan and its amazing. Best headset i have ever owned. It's so ahead of other headsets its like discovering VR for the first time all over again.

Thanks for giving the info upfront, liked and subscribed.

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. It’s very much appreciated 😊

Ah! Thanks for this, excellent hands-on personnal review

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it.

Thanks for getting to the point!

0:30 lmao i was about to boot up my LM to have it sum up the video, but you did a class act by just saying the answer.

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Haha - glad it saved you a few seconds 😊

Subed plus a thumbs up . Because u told us heads up !

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

Thank you. That’s very much appreciated.

You had me at spoiler alert. subbed 😀

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Haha - thank you. It's greatly appreciated.

THANK YOU - that would be great..... !!

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

I just did a quick test in MSFS 2020. I'm running 75hz refresh rate, not 90hz. Over Rome - I got 80-90fps pancake mode, 45-50fps VR. I'm running on a RTX4090, AMD 9 5900X, 64GB

@steveramundo4946

4 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY Thank you for the info! by Pancake mode, you mean "flat screen"? 45-50 fps in VR sounds a bit.....rough....

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Sorry, yes - flat screen@@steveramundo4946 . On the contrary, I consider 45-50 fps in MSFS, in VR - really good for me. Considering it's 60% of what I'm getting in 2D. I don't have GFX settings on their lowest, and I have all of those glass screens in the cockpit too. I rememer dark times when I'd struggle to get 30fps in MSFS. In iRacing I was getting 75fps, but I had frames capped.

@steveramundo4946

4 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY true...I had forgotten we were talking about msfs.. lol... Thanks again for your time/ help !

Thank you for the video ! Waiting for them to ship mine any day now!! How is the performance with respect to Frame Timings in Steam VR - and what "upscale" resolution are you running the Bigscreen at?

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. Let me check on those settings when I finish work later. I ran a wet race in iRacing yesterday, capped the frames at 75fps, and it seemed smooth as silk for me.

I have been into VR since the Oculus DK1 and have been still using MY Oculus CV1 this whole time, because Fine Detail Clarity was the ONE THING I wanted in a next gen Headset and so far other than possibly the Big Screen Beyond and the Pimax Crystal non of the Other headset have truly delivered enough of an improvement to Long Distance clarity and Fine Print Readability to justify the price of switch HMD's I am Glad to see the Big Screen Beyond doesn't disappoint i would GLADLY sacrifice FOV for Clarity like you said the CV1 has enough FOV that when you use your head to look around instead of your eyes you forget it has a smaller FOV

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

It definitely is a “personal preference thing” but, I tested it in MSFS 2020 and could finally read the smallest text in every cockpit. Even some of the max speed plates stamped on the dash screens 🥰

@ocularcavity8412

3 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY THAT is the kind of Clarity I am LOOKING for I playing any SIM in VR I remember the reason I stopped Playing Elite Dangerous in VR was because when Dogfighting an Enemy could turn around and be coming at me head on and I could tell because at long range there was NOT enough detail all the ships look like gray Blobs and losing the position of advantage can be a death sentence

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

@ocularcavity finally updated the video of the MSFS visual test kzread.info/dash/bejne/nY2hxtCaiaTTl7Q.html

Having just gone from Pimax 8KX to Bigscreen Beyond a couple of weeks ago, I think this video does a good job covering the differences. It's a mixed bag since losing the wide FOV hurts. But there are no modern wide FOV headsets, so you're going to have to bite the bullet eventually. And compared to the 8KX, the small differences in FOV between all the narrow FOV headsets out there isn't very meaningful. When you're already losing 60 degrees, what does +/-5 really matter? One thing I'd like to say about the transition from the 8KX to the Beyond specifically is that you have to change how you move your eyes. With the 8KX, there was a tendency to avoid turning your head and to favor scanning your eyes around instead. With the Beyond, this does not work. You really need to keep your eyes straight forward in this headset and turn your head instead. So this requires retraining your muscle memory. Until you've gotten used to that, it's really disruptive to immersion. After a couple of weeks, I'm mostly there. Don't give up on the Beyond too quickly because of this. It's worth it.

@MAWvR3ALITY

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, and glad to see you too made the transition to smaller FOV. Funny thing is, I didn’t even notice the small sweet spot everyone spoke of. I had to make a point of looking for it. Then, like you’ve said - I realised that I wasn’t scanning with my eyes, because I’d had to retrain myself to use my varifocals in real life. Have you had any issues with your face gasket?

Having owed both..yes it is no doubt! Not perfect tons of compromises but that is VR.

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

Let’s hope manufacturers continue to believe there’s value in developing even more future options.

And you have a new subscriber

@MAWvR3ALITY

Ай бұрын

Thank you. I really appreciate it.

Looking for info about Bigscreen Beyons, interested in Sim racing - I was so pleasantly surprised to find your video. Immediate sub

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the sub. I really appreciate it.

Yeah but what about the terrible-terrible glare?😆 Im joking but its seems that everyone talking about it and the lack of audio(so bad i have to use my awesome DT770s) Its nice to see it from a sim-focused perspective where visuals are prioritized. As a simer-VRChat-and active game user i dont want a brick on my head. Imagine being in a virtual club or cuddle place with a (awesome) brick in your head. Thank you for your perspective and your enthusiastic approach. You gained a sub my friend. Our time is precious

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Haha - thank you, the sub is appreciated. I can only say, I went into ordering the BigScreenVR eyes-wide-open. I'd already watched many hours of videos talking about the chromatic aberrations, lack of headphones, narrower FOV, etc., so none of that is a surpise. I imagine I'll notice the glare and other issues people raise when I try DCS or MSFS on the weekend. I'm certainly notice how much peripheral vision I've lost. However, none of that will negate the fact it's so light and I can finally see. After multiple years of CV1, Pimax5KX, Pimax8KX - seeing with clarity is my priority. And we can't have everything now, can we 😂

@tkdmp5698

4 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY We all wish the perfect headset existed but... Perfect doesn't exist So at least be comfy

Congrat’s from France very interesting review ! And against Pimax Crystal what’s your opinion ?

@MAWvR3ALITY

Ай бұрын

Thanks. I haven’t tried a Crystal yet, but many others have said they think the Crystal wins because it has the greater FOV and no glare. Now I’ve had the BSB a few months, I still think I’d prefer BSB to Crystal because I love how small and comfortable it is.

@KastTom

Ай бұрын

Yes I heard that but nobody talk of FOV of a human with the helmet in real life for sim racing of course and the vertical fov of the BigScreen Beyond have the same for the vertical FOV but after yes on the horizontal FOV …. Pimax still better. I’m so sorry for my English level I hope you understand what I said. Thank you so much for your very nice review again

@MAWvR3ALITY

Ай бұрын

@@KastTom your English far surpasses my embarrassing attempts to learn French 🤓. I agree with you 💯. I too just accept the smaller FOV as though I’m wearing a helmet.

Wouldn’t future built-in eye tracking theoretically eliminate or atleast mitigate the limited FOV? BSB seems to be the new gold standard for VR and I may still wait until they release a 2.0.

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

Possibly, I know there’s already a third party team working on a BSB compatible eye tracking unit. I’ll have to follow updates to see how they get on.

I'm waiting for to see the specs of meta/lg, samsung/google or Deckard. I would consider a slightly heavier BSB with eye tracking, wider fov and inside out tracking. I currently have a Quest Pro and Quest 3 so I'm in no rush.

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

That makes perfect sense. I really do hope that we’re at an inflection point, where devices will start to get smaller - rather than the trend to get bigger. If it wasn’t for the fact I was so set on finally being able to read gauges and glass screens in DCS and Flight Simulator, I might have been able to sit this generation out too.

@kashif12344

3 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY i have pre order visor 4k because of it is so light and it is 4k each eye :) hopefully review coming in Q2

Hello, do need the SteamVR Base Stations for the bigscreen to work on DCS world? Thanks

@MAWvR3ALITY

2 ай бұрын

Hey, yes - you’ll need at least one, recommended two for best tracking results.

Just curious did you run the Pimax 8kx at the same fov to do the comparison as well, you should get more clarity and less fov normally also more options sampling.

@MAWvR3ALITY

Ай бұрын

Great question, but I don't remember. I think (99.9% certain) that I ran the Pimax in 'normal' FOV at the point of comparison.

@simracingdad8917

Ай бұрын

Is potato mode like all other headsets?

@MAWvR3ALITY

Ай бұрын

@@simracingdad8917 do you mean 75hz? 🤓

@simracingdad8917

Ай бұрын

​@@MAWvR3ALITY The Pimax 8kx has quite a lot of ways you can run it, so you can find more clarity at cost of fov normally and options for super sampling opening up when you lose the fov. I really must try my 8kx out like that see where it goes if run the low fov and try to crisp it up so it brings it in line with other headsets fov and then see what it looks like compared. I don't think I can go back from large fov tbh it kinda makes the immersion which is what we chaser for. I am thinking about the Pimax lite but hoping the Pimax 12k will come out and bring the clarity with the fov then. Pc is still not powerfull enough to run vr how we would like it that's for sure. Normal monitors pc would not need to move forwards much more tbh but vr it's a defo need. Looks like I will be needing the 5090 and the new x3d chips. Running 4090 and 7800x3d 64gb ram. Im at top line now but needs souch more I am still chasing settings, I just want vr to be so you don't have to chase the settings ! Lol

@MAWvR3ALITY

Ай бұрын

@@simracingdad8917 Ah, got it. Yes, I agree - it was one of the reasons I stopped running the 8KX in wide FOV, using normal instead. Chasing the dream indeed. Perhaps one day we'll get VR Nirvana 😏

Currently holding to see what Sony does with the compatibility of the PSVR2 headset on PC. You did not comment about the refresh rate of the display!? I believe at his full resolution (or beyond with SS) it is not capable of 90hz, but 72hz. How does it feel the 90 compared to the 72? I am not sure I want less than 90Hz/fps...

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

That's a great question, I haven't tested the difference between the 75hz and 90hz. I'll have to experiment and get back to you with observations.

@SargonDragon

2 ай бұрын

The Beyond is limited to 75Hz at native resolution. Going from the 8KX to the Beyond myself, I was very concerned about the limited frame rate. Bigscreen claims that 75Hz OLED on the Beyond is like 90Hz on LCD. Honestly, I expected this claim to be BS. But I found it to be actually true. I'm normally very sensitive to frame rate running below 90Hz. When I first got the 8KX, it was limited to 75Hz, and I hated that. It was so much better when they upgraded it to 90Hz capability. I didn't want to go back to 75Hz again. But I have to say if there wasn't anything telling me the Beyond was running at 75Hz, I wouldn't have been able to tell. I would have thought it was 90Hz. And that's a big surprise to me. That said, I have seen other people say they notice the 75Hz. So it may not be true for everyone. This is a human perception thing so your mileage will vary. But I can attest that even for someone as sensitive and as skeptical as I was, Bigscreen's claim about this is true for at least part of the population.

@gerardsitja

2 ай бұрын

@@SargonDragon Thanks for the in depth answer! currently also looking at the pimax crystal light

For flight sim application, does BSB need base stations?

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Hi, yes - you'll need a minimum of one base station. When I first tried testing DCS, it wasn't recognising the lightstations. The result was fixed forward view that contorted and twisted from a rectangle to a parrallelogram as I moved my head.

I want the coin, lol. Only thing bad about this headset is the heat. The faceplate is so good, since it is a perfect fit, you get no air ventilation. All VR headsets should have active cooling systems.

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

Haha - I think I’ve already spent it 🤣. I’m waiting to see what it’s like in the height of summer. The Pimax was like a facial sauna.

@ComdrStew

3 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY The only headset so far with active cooling is the Varjo headsets. I know my G2 gets hot also, lol. I bought a face gasket with air holes in it, which did help a little, but it still gets hot. I even have a fan constantly blowing on my face and it still gets hot.

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

@@ComdrStew I know that feeling, I have a standing blade fan next to me to “try” and keep things cool. Doesn’t help that my PC pumps out enough hot air to show up on satelite imagery

I'll wait until it has more FOV than my Quest 3 in BigScreen 2.

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Impossible to argue with that logic. Hopefully the BSB2 gets here in the next 1-2 years

@toututu2993

3 ай бұрын

Unfortunately Bigscreen Beyond was destined to fail and there will not be another version. The requirement is already insane for most people and they will get a lot more value out of Quest 3 or even Vision Pro

do you have fov on normal? After all, this setting in Pimax reduces the fov, so Pimax Crytal is better if you don't use the greatest advantage of Pimax anyway.

@MAWvR3ALITY

Ай бұрын

I mostly used normal because of the comprises needed to prevent GPU bottlenecks. I have to say though, I’m loving how light and small the BSB is - so I possibly would still prefer it to the Crystal 🤓

@666Azmodan666

Ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY Comparing on Normal Fov does it make no sense is not the fault of HMD that you have too weak GPU. Crystal has HDR I think it will look better but when it comes to comfort, it may be good but it will never be as comfortable as the tiny bsb ... Turn on FFR and Large Fov;) If you can disable parallel projections, the rendered resolution will significantly decrease.

thing for me, as a person with severe nearsightedness is the size of the lense. because the way prescription glasses and lenses work, means the bigger the surface is they have to cover, the thicker the outer rim gets. in my case, with -7dpt, my index inserts already collide with my eyebrows even on maximum eye relief setting, due to the index og lense being so tall in height. this would speak for the beyond.. but, the beyond has a fixed distance point to your eyes.. meaning if the insert i need are quiet thick, it will lead to a problem. i would mean ordering a new face gasket, one thats thicker which will then lead, to a smaler fov on an already smal fov device. this really sucks and its such a rare problem, that nobody cares about it, because 90% off all the people with myopia, are below -5. iam already asking myself, why insert manufacotrers even bother with -12 dpt inserts

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

I can only imagine how frustrating that is. Is there another model you see on the horizon that you think might be more accommodating? I can see how the form factor of the Beyond would be restrictive in your case. Hopefully manufacturers contine to see value in VR headsets and develop lighter headsets with larger OLED (or better) lenses. Or perhaps reach the point where they can take the BSB personalisation model further, to the extent of being able to adjust the lens to match an individuals prescription, rather than just IPD.

@dharkbizkit

4 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITYno not really. theres only the somnium coming up. overall, vr hardware development has slowed. pico is out, varjo back to b2b only. i doubt that much will happen in that regard anyway, vr is no money making machine, so it makes no sense to build your device to accomodate 10% more costumers, if your product is already niche as it is and doesnt sell thousands of units a day. we already have devices with a dioptre, most of them, go up to -5 on the max setting, so not usefull to me

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Very true@@dharkbizkit . The pragmatist in me knows VR is holding on by the thinist of threads. But the romantic optimist is hoping the thread doesn't break.

For sim racing will I need controllers?

@MAWvR3ALITY

Ай бұрын

Which sim do you have in mind? I race with wheel and pedals or, for games like Dirt 5, an Xbox style gamepad. The BSB is just the headset. You’ll need one (recommended two) lighthouses for tracking.

The bigscreen quest app alone accounts for a lot of my hours on the headset.

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

I haven’t tried that out yet. I’ll have to put it on my list of things to do over the Easter BH

@ThePoushal

3 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY pro tip: the best times will be on the social rooms. For eg In the UK we often watch football/soccer matches in the app in a pub setting and you can turn chat on or off.

I'd wanto know how it compares the crystal not the old gen 8kx lol

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Haha - that's cold 😂. It was cutting edge when I bought it as part of the 'you can trade up to a 12K' wave 🤣

@chotus69

4 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY my og rift was cutting edge when I got it but not any more lol crystal is there newest headset gen 3 as they say that is in competition with bigscteem and more alike in lenses etc the 8kx they say is gen 2. Most people like myself these days are tosing up between the crystal or beyond not the previous gen 8kx is all I'm thinking. Kinda like comparing beyond to a quest 2 with Fresnel lenses and not the quest 3 with pancake lenses etc

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

@@chotus69 no no, I knew what you meant, I just couldn’t resist the moment for faux outrage 🤣

I can't live without my extra FOV. But, the day that I can buy a BigScreen Beyond like headset with a massive FOV... My pimax will simply gather dust for a while.

@radjam4e215

3 ай бұрын

FOV isn't a big deal ! The worst thing about BSB is its tiny sweet spot

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

I didn’t think I’d be able to give it up either. But now I have… being able to see crystal clear wins out over a wider peripheral FOV, purely because of my use-case. I spend 95% of my VR time in sim-racing or flight-sims. Not being able to read the glass screens in cockpits really frustrates me 🤣. @rock_rock

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

Is it because you’re used to being able to just glance, rather than move your head to look at the point of focus? I think I don’t notice the sweet spot size because I’ve been wearing vary focal lens glasses for a couple of years. @radjam4e215

@rock_rock

3 ай бұрын

You're right, but still. For my use case. While I'd love to have a smaller lighter headset. I still would like to retain my FOV. I know it'll exist eventually, though, which is why I'll wait for an ultra fov version.

@SargonDragon

2 ай бұрын

Coming from the 8KX myself, I didn't think I could live without wide FOV either. And make no mistake, losing that sucks. But the fact is, no company is making wide FOV headsets anymore. The 8KX is old and becoming increasingly outdated in every other aspect. Mine was also starting to fall apart after years of use. So I figured I'm going to have to make the switch to a modern VR headset eventually. Let's do this! I know Pimax keeps saying the 12K is still coming, but this has turned out to be a mythical future headset. I gave up on including it in my future planning anymore. And there's no other companies even talking about wide FOV headsets in the works.

You should have compared crystal and bigscreen

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

I would but I don't own a Crystal. My option was upgrading the 8KX to a 12K or getting the Big Screen, I went for the BSB.

@SargonDragon

2 ай бұрын

Having owned both myself, I'd summarize it this way. The Crystal has a better display than the Beyond overall. But the Beyond gets close. The real elephant in the room between these headsets is the stability and customer support differences between them. Pimax is committed to R&D and constantly prioritizes working on multiple new headsets that drive the bleeding edge of the technology. Pimax does not prioritize supporting their already released headsets. Whereas Bigscreen is focused on supporting their one headset and standing behind it. These differences in philosophy affect the product experience on every level. Pimax headsets are great _when they work_. But you're in for a serious headache when they have problems. Whereas with Bigscreen Beyond, you are much less likely to run into any problems in the first place, and the company will consistently take care of you if you do.

not the crystal though? lol

@MAWvR3ALITY

2 ай бұрын

I've heard very good things about the Crystal 😎

@jamierichards925

2 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY yup that's why I have one coming 😜

@MAWvR3ALITY

2 ай бұрын

@@jamierichards925 don’t hold back on letting me know how good it is when it arrives 😁

The 8KX is not 2Kg. It's 850g.

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the correction 👍🏾. I couldn’t find a consistent number.

I want to love mine SO SO bad... WANT to. Can't. My primary use case is flight sim and iRacing. The off center clarity is terrible. With the Index, quest 2, quest pro and Quest 3, I can read text in my peripheral vision quite easily. Not so with the BSB. I have to physically LOOK at the display to read it - which, when pack racing at 185 mph is...problematic at best.

@MAWvR3ALITY

4 ай бұрын

I can completely see how that’d be an issue. I’m telling myself, this is the kind of FOV I had before and at the time thought it was great. Do you think you’ll keep the BSB or recycle it for another headset?

Bigscreen Beyond is going for another failure marketing in VR. Sorry but not a lot of people owned an ancient base station tracking or motion controllers from early Vive and Index and buying them separately from different website plus shipping is more hassle than it should be. You also need to own a modern Iphone to scan your face to order it 😂

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

I have to admit, the “if you don’t own an iPhone, you can borrow a friends” did make me raise my eyebrows 🤣

@SargonDragon

2 ай бұрын

Despite all the friction in the buying process, Bigscreen has been struggling to keep up with demand for their product ever since its release. The Beyond is, in fact, selling very well. They literally can not build them fast enough, and you have to wait for months to get one. There are millions of potential customers out there who are still using basestations. Even though this technology is old, its tracking performance still has not been equaled by inside out tracked headsets. It is still the choice of customers who are looking for the best available gear on the market.

WTF are you doing telling people to close their ears then flashing the spoiler up on screen?

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

“Fingers in your ears” and the [SPOILER ALERT) are the audio and visual cues. The answer is also in the thumbnail. The intent being, this video is for those who want the answer straight away.

virtually everything is better than a pimax 8kx the thing takes 45 minutes to turn and freezes your computer constantly

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

So I can’t interest you in a second hand 8KX then? 🤣. Jokes aside, I do not miss wearing it.

@crimsom2977

3 ай бұрын

@@MAWvR3ALITY sadly aside from the nose damage it was some how more comfortable than my quest 3 but the software and hardware came broken and will always be broken.

You people need to stop calling BSB virtual reality, it is, in no way VR, at best they are widescreen glasses, they don't play games and they don't have motion controllers. This is the kind of crap that gives real VR a bad name.

@MAWvR3ALITY

3 ай бұрын

I think it depends on how you’re defining VR. As a sim-racer, flight-simmer, FPS gamer - I’m in the virtual reality in BSB. That’s my expectation and definition. As I started with holographic glasses in the early 2000’s, Oculus Rift (with controllers and light towers), Pimax 5KX (no controllers or base stations), 8KX (no controllers or base stations) - BsB only being a headset isn’t strange (for me). But that might be because I’m a PC gamer and therefore used to a gaming system being just the PC, not the monitor, peripherals, or software. Genuinely interested to better understand how you’re defining VR and why BsB is giving it a bad name.

@NicholasDutko

3 ай бұрын

You’re 100% wrong. This is absolutely a VR headset. How can you say these are widescreen glasses? There is no pass through to see anything. Just because you need to buy the lighthouses and controllers if you don’t have them already doesn’t discount the fact that the Bigscreen Beyond is a VR headset.