"Nobody is out there trimming Urza cards." - Rudy "Hold my taco." - Beckett

@moxavenger

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think the Urza's is trimmed, I think it's a counterfeit.

@RealSB

4 жыл бұрын

@@moxavenger The joke police called, you just got promoted to contextual investigation.

@joshuabeckett9325

4 жыл бұрын

I did say that

@moxavenger

4 жыл бұрын

@@RealSB I offer you this cheese wheel and banana as an homage to your awesome comment: 🡒 🌕🍌

@nanoglitch6693

4 жыл бұрын

@@moxavenger 100% I bought some chinese knockoffs to put in my cube but they are obnoxiously just a bit smaller than real cards.

"Ok lets just pull out 18 copies of Yawgmoth's Will"

@ybs1527

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@xquizate8777

4 жыл бұрын

*yag wills go flying into the air like a cloud.*

@nazagato

4 жыл бұрын

Yup!

@josephs.4813

4 жыл бұрын

Dead Rabbit like $80-$100 depending on condition

@josephs.4813

4 жыл бұрын

Broken Games ok Timmy

It looks to me the whole print is smaller.

@Christian-cz9bu

4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I wasn't the only one yelling that to Rudy...

@TheGuilev

4 жыл бұрын

chinese copy ?

@fusionenvironmentalsolutions

4 жыл бұрын

Yea I thought the same thing when looking at it.

@TavisKingsChannel

4 жыл бұрын

It's called perspective. Objects that are further away, appear smaller. The cards weren't touching, the slab was between them.

@mikeszulc9490

4 жыл бұрын

@@TavisKingsChannel Nah, a few millimeters isn't enough to change perspective to this degree. Just look at how the print on the back lines up, there's something VERY off about these.

Who cares about tshirt restocks, we need Rudy's Tools on ebay

@technole

4 жыл бұрын

Alpha Investments Jewelers Lobes and Ice Picks, come on Rudy.

@heavenbot

4 жыл бұрын

O-ring pick, it's a beaut!

I feel you should have cracked one to really compare...

@ON-bo4cm

4 жыл бұрын

If I had to guess, Rudy doesn't want the liability of cracking them open

@TavisKingsChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Or at least shown the same "test" on a normal BGS slabbed card.

@christianthurow

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, with the thickness of the case it could be an optical illusion.

@user-dq3jv2xw5v

4 жыл бұрын

Or at least same test on the top of the card.

@jamesflames6987

4 жыл бұрын

If you've paid for a grading and the card is now cased it has a certain value and you are throwing money away if you crack a legitimate grading.

5:30 I love the smell of freshly trimmed vintage Magic in the morning. The cutting really opens up the bouquet and brings up those Carta Mundi notes.

Should have cracked one to make sure the case wasn't distorting things.

@Tom-zz2yy

4 жыл бұрын

I would be more concerned about the card being fake. (weird for commons though) The color looks off on the backs of the trimmed ones.

@15000000th

4 жыл бұрын

They are distorting things, that's why this video is bad.

@Nick-xo5mm

4 жыл бұрын

It's not a mirror doofus

@johnathanera5863

3 жыл бұрын

@@15000000th no it isnt lol. These cards were all altered.

Wait...they aren't trimmed. They are smaller. Look at 11:30 See how the orange dots on the right align perfectly, but not those on the left? It's as if they were scaled-down or something.

@urzathegreat

4 жыл бұрын

agreed

@TavisKingsChannel

4 жыл бұрын

It's called perspective. Objects that are further away, appear smaller. The cards weren't touching, the slab was between them.

@hash527

4 жыл бұрын

I’m not an expert but pretty sure those dots are red.

@Milkybetrayal

4 жыл бұрын

Dots are pink. Cards where put in microwave to shrink them.

@crazysam871

4 жыл бұрын

@@TavisKingsChannel We all know about perspective, smart ass! We all looked at the cards. If you rly look carefully, on every card being inspected, there is a moment when the view point is from right in front. Still, they look smaller. Can't be a perspective issue at that point. Try again.

I've seen trimming before, it's called weird people trying correct off-centered OCD

That is impressive at how thorough Beckett is, these are spot on.

@joshuabeckett9325

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your acknowledgment

@xcons345

4 жыл бұрын

up their just like PSA, also one thing i would like to add, and just to see if anyone else saw it, but the trimmed cards... they looked slightly smaller to me in general. the colored dots and graphic of the back of the card didnt even really match up it seemed idk if it was because of perspective and whatnot of the camera angle. but just seemed like a smaller card.

@patmacrotch5611

4 жыл бұрын

You just haven't heard about all the trimmed/shaved cards that Becket has graded. There are TONS of them, especially in sports cards. Even PSA, the graded card that made them their name in the grading world turned out to be trimmed. Look it up, its well known. These companies are far from "thorough" LOL

@patmacrotch5611

4 жыл бұрын

@@xcons345 It was perspective. He needs to crack those cards and stack them and redo this. That or put the good card behind the "trimmed" card and show it from the front. We should be able to see the back card from behind the trimmed card if it is truly trimmed.

@bojcio

4 жыл бұрын

@@joshuabeckett9325 Yea Great job Beckett, grading all those cards through the years, that's dedication bro :)!

Detective Ruby, we demand a follow up video where you continue the investigation. People are right, something doesn't add up. There is more to this mystery!

4:22 if it was trimmed on the back wouldn’t the reverse on the front also be trimmed?

@tsperry6744

4 жыл бұрын

my thoughts exactly probably easier to detect on back of card

@matthewoconnor5690

4 жыл бұрын

Probably assess back first, found it was trimmed, and didn't note further as it's ungradable. Beckett's doesn't get paid to not-grade cards.

@BiiRO2

4 жыл бұрын

Dont bring that sort of logic into this KZread channel please..:) But yes..technically they should have added that on the sheet on both sides..back left AND front right appears trimmed

@patmacrotch5611

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewoconnor5690 You think he didn't pay for those slabs?! LOL

@polruiz6587

4 жыл бұрын

Front had glue from the paper so maybe he didnt wamt to risl damaging his yagwill

Break the plastic, maybe it's parallax from the case

@fabrypotter5

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

They aren't trimmed, if they were the orange circles on the bottom would line up, they don't. The cards were printed with different dimensions.

@opticnirvana

4 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, I think you're right. Rudy!!!!!!

@Peptou

4 жыл бұрын

Are those really really good fakes?

@DM-qm5sc

4 жыл бұрын

Are they fake then???

@adambandurak8913

4 жыл бұрын

@@DM-qm5sc it would appear so

@alonzocollard6782

4 жыл бұрын

@Adam I agree. These are not trimmed. Taking calipers and measuring the “Deckmaster” box, the graded card is 1mm, or less than Rudy’s ungraded card. These cards were printed on a slightly smaller card stock, so the printing was shrunk to scale the smaller dimensions of the card stock.

I think they are new fake cards... look how smaller the rest of the print is

@chuckcollicott7222

4 жыл бұрын

Red dots don't align

@spiritkid9109

4 жыл бұрын

They definitely look slightly smaller. The borders inside the black outline border seem smaller too.

@Ottawa3453

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah there's less of the brown area on the back too. Do a 2nd run through Rudy, where you check if they're fake.

Me: "Wonder if I can afford to eat this month" Rudy: Let me just grab this page of wills!

@zakkho1

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't realize they were worth that much, I have a playset of most of saga that I've had since the set came out (my sanctums, sneak attacks and cradles got stolen out of a binder ages ago though, sadly). I think it's time to sort through my collection, I haven't played paper magic since 2005, and see what else increased.

@darlantro

4 жыл бұрын

Rudy is a business man; I look at his collection like a business having expensive construction equipment

@robertgunther851

4 жыл бұрын

@@darlantro he also likely bought them cheap before everything exploded

@arabiannights5301

4 жыл бұрын

@@zakkho1 You'll be pleasantly surprised to see Gilded Drake's price as well

@jamesflames6987

4 жыл бұрын

The difference between and asset and a liability is when you decide to sell...

I hear “showing trim” I click thumbs up

@moxavenger

4 жыл бұрын

I rate this comment 3 shrimps 🡒 🍤🍤🍤

@ep1phany62

4 жыл бұрын

😂

These need to be opened for proper analysis. The art appears to be smaller across the board, which could be caused by light distortion through the plastic, but you can only know if you open them up. Video needs a part 2.

@Crovax

4 жыл бұрын

there's no way a slab of 2 mm of plastic can generate a distortion that big. the difference is the size of a taco

@royrkval6879

4 жыл бұрын

This. Open the case and stack another card on top. Or compare the other corners, or compare “untrimmed” cards in the same way. Light does funny things through lenses.

@patmacrotch5611

4 жыл бұрын

This. It's not really the plastic or the slab persay, it's the gap between the cards when Rudy "aligns" them. The cards need to be directly on top of each other to see the miniscule amount that would have been cut off.

@WickedCitizen

4 жыл бұрын

@@Crovax While I agree, I still want to see why the art at least appears to be noticeably smaller.

@gerbrand855

4 жыл бұрын

I agree

Nice video. I think the "trimmed" cards were actually printed on slightly smaller card stock. Also, in science it's important to have a control. I can understand Rudy not wanting to break the case (for many reasons,) so it would have been nice to line up a non-"trimmed" card with a genuine one from Rudy, to show that they match up very closely, but they do not on the "trimmed" cards. That would give us more confidence that it's not the case causing some visual distortion (although it's unlikely that a clear case would do that.)

Now Rudy needs to investigate the uncommon tampering market hosing countless Timmys

I think we all agree that we need a follow up to the "trimmed" cards, so wired.

they aren't trimmed. they are smaller. you need to investigate further. Becket may still be wrong if they graded them authentic and they aren't...

@darklavalizard

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, why would you trim a card, then let it get a bunch of edgewear? If you're trimming it, you're trimming it to give it clean edges and you're submitting it for grading right after trimming, not selling it ungraded to someone.

@Legacyfire

4 жыл бұрын

It looks like the plastic casing is doing something like a 5% smaller magnification, the cards may be exactly the same if they got popped out.

@mikeszulc9490

4 жыл бұрын

@@Legacyfire Nah, just tested this theory on a bunch of BGS cards I have, everything lines up perfectly and dims are the same. If you have some try it out for yourself, there's something very off here.

@silverwolf6866

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikeszulc9490 He is looking at it through a camera at a distance. I tested it too. Everything in the cased card looks smaller because objects that are further away from the camera appear smaller. They are not overlapping there is thick plastic between them and that is not mentioning the distortion the plastic itself makes. Amazing that so many people in this comments section do not understand a basic grade school concept like perception.

@mikeszulc9490

4 жыл бұрын

@@silverwolf6866 Snark aside, a few millimeters will not change perspective to this ridiculous degree AND Rudy obviously noticed the difference too so the camera changes nothing. I've tested this with 24 graded cards vs. their raw counterparts. Beta, Antiquities, and Arabian Nights (don't have the same graded/raw Alphas) Every single card I tested lined up perfectly with absolutely no variance. Look at the video again, the cards he shows are off by A LOT and it's not just the overall size, the printing on the back doesn't line up right. The Will looks straight up fake and I maintain that the "Alphas" are trimmed down Beta cards, the inking on the corners is there to hide the fact that they were clipped. BGS did a great job catching these, hopefully they got them all.

Rudy, would love just a little more analysis of yours on the trim. Verify other portions of the card, not just back bottom, and maybe compare the front to other prints, like the difference between Alpha & Beta, could they be Beta trimmed all around to make look like legit Alphas ? Just trimmed off edge playwear, etc ... Thanks !!

@technole

4 жыл бұрын

I pulled out a cop white alpha and the front looks legit to me, but the corner of the trim side looks off.

@dragonslayerdc2608

4 жыл бұрын

I completely 2nd this!

Trimmed to fix the centering I think.

@Dremin2009

4 жыл бұрын

this makes sense

@jamesflames6987

4 жыл бұрын

Smart guy. And non centred cards hide trimming.

I agree with everyone else. You should crack at least one of the "trimmed" cards and give it a more thorough examination.

Great job and good luck, stay safe Ultraviolet light will show a different color if there’s different color added it would glow differently

It really looks like the trimmed cards were printed at a different scale. The inner parts of the card don't line up, the orange dots are spaced differently. The brown back on the real card extends into the black boarder of the trimmed. Very interesting

they might have been counterfeited using a yu-gi-oh printer

Rudy this needs more investigation to help prevent fake cards on market overall.

You gotta break one of those out and check if they're real. That's super weird.

Thank you as always Rudy for teaching me to do my DD. Please make more videos like these.

Great Video very informative Rudy. Never seen trimmed Urza...have now lol

I don't think it was trimmed, the dots don't line up. I think the one that was "trimmed" was ether printed differently or its a new fake.

I'd assume the cards are measured against spec with a caliper of some kind, allowing for a % variance. If a card measures almost a full millimetre, or more off spec, it may still look perfectly symmetrical, esp. if it wasnt the best centring job, but the caliper would catch it right away.

You need to take it out of the case Rudy. Come on man. Even the lines on the back are not matching up. Take it out of the case.

I'm just curious if the rest of the edges of the trimmed cards line up correctly. Dunno, but Beckett's case could also have some optical refraction, kinda like when you look at an object under water. Some of those black borders look identical even though they are trimmed, so that just throws me off.

@Alpha Investments - That Yawgmoth's Will definitely was not trimmed, it looks like the entire card is counterfeit. When you overlay them, the width difference is reflected in the brown ink of the card's rear design, not just in the black of the border. The _entire card_ appears to be about 1.5mm too narrow. You can't achieve that with a trim.

At the 10:15 mark, you can clearly see that the cards inside the borders are different sizes. It lines up on the edge of the right but is undersized going to the left. The orange dots also appear to be different colors.

Rudy, one easy test...take one of your Beckett graded cards and put a like card on top...see if the distance that the case has makes the card appear to be different sized. You know the old disappearing rail road track illusion...distance make it look smaller. Otherwise...CRACK THE CASE. The man said you could. Then stack cards on top.

A possible explanation why someone would trim an urza´s saga card is to get better centering grades. They measure the difference left to right and top to bottom. Say you have a card that has a wider left border, and you trim 1mm off, the borders might now be equal, and if they do not realize it he gets a way higher centering grade. Say a 9.5 instead of an 8.5, that is quite a bit of money, especially if it raises the overall grade to a 9.5, which you could not get with an 8.5 centering.

Rudy: "Today's video is to bash BGS." What ended up happening: "Today's video is free marketing for BGS, and their QA being spot on.". Lol

Look at the alpha card that was trimmed again , the border graphic is shifted as well , indicating a uniform difference in size. Something else is going on.

I think the case is having an effect on the cards making them appear smaller. Need to be cracked and compared.

Wow, never even thought that someone could make a card "look" better by cutting off an edge. Thanks for this very informative video, I guess I'll have to look for this too now when I get an older high dollar card from ebay/ tcg. I think Rudy is probably thinking the same.

They definitely need to be cracked from the slabs to truly compare. The perspective is throwing it off. The cards in slabs are of course going to seem smaller because you have a layer of plastic between them, and the cards on top are closer to you. As others have mentioned, the border thicknesses appear to be the same, so crack one and then compare.

Hey Rudy, hope you can revisit these as a lot of us are commenting these cards could be counterfeits. Hope you can break the cases and really feel them cards up!

Love the location

First off thats very cool that the grading service tells you why it didn't grade and tells you were to look!!! In coin grading they dont really explain in detail why it came back in a body bag.

THAT'S NOT A TERESE PLAYMAT.

To everyone saying it may be the plastic distorting the card, it would magnify, not make it look smaller, so if anything they're even smaller then they look.

@MrMartinSchou

2 жыл бұрын

If this was the case, then plastic lenses in eye glasses could not be used for nearsighted people.

Rudy needs another tool! Maybe a caliper to check for trimmimg.

I bet someone was trying to hide flared sides or previous inking

I don't even play magic but your personality my dude, golden 😂🤘. Keep up the great content!!!

When I was a kid I used sharpies to touch up my card's not knowing that I ruined them. I just wanted them to look good for when I played my older brothers.

I love fact that you was able to admin you were wrong!

7:53 you can see the bottom card has a purple hue on the big circle, and the top card's is more blue. Also the thin white line across the bottom of the top card is not really there on the bottom card, it looks like a dark grey line. The overall brightness of the back of the slabbed card is off also, in addition to the corner circles not matching from side to side. It really looks like a counterfeit card for many reasons.

If they are indeed trimmed maybe it was done to remove evidence of inking? I do wonder how accurate the size comparison is though with the plastic slab in the way and possibly distorting things.

I think there's light distortion going on here. I compared a slabbed beta Swamp I have to a real bulk card (looked noticeably smaller if I brought it near my face), then an unslabbed beta Swamp to the bulk card (looked the same size). You can also notice the printed part looks smaller, so it's not just that the black area was trimmed.

You've made me so happy by bringing out a STACK of my favorite card of all time, THANK YOU!

I think they just look smaller because of the distance between the two cards. The one closer to your eyes always looks bigger. It would have been really nice to see a comparison of how a graded ok card lines up with a reference card.

8:00 holy moly it was trimmed after all! those Beckett guys won't miss anything (" o.o)

@WBsteve

4 жыл бұрын

it's not trimmed look at the dots, they don't line up. Even if it was trimmed the dots would still line up. it is ether a fake card or it was printed differently.

THEY WERE IN THE POOL! THRY WERE IN THE POOL!!

@Milkybetrayal

4 жыл бұрын

Then microwaved

@technole

4 жыл бұрын

@@Milkybetrayal Yep, microwave shrink is likely, but the back corner is certainly off from a normal alpha.

@Milkybetrayal

4 жыл бұрын

I know. Just playing into pool microwave thing. But knowing from a spilled slurpee experience, wet cards start to bubble and warp like crazy. I will agree will someone trimmed the sides.

@diggerdog9205

4 жыл бұрын

You don't know about shrinkage?

Try listening to Rudy's videos on 1.5x speed. Hopped up Rudy is great

that trim tappers off it matches at the top of the cards and then doesnt at the bottom just proves that its tampered and not authentic dimension that are used for their product.

This happens way more than u would think . A ton of it goes on in the Pokémon world too

Might be best because of the glass, it might do some refraction.. but the back graphic is also not lining up. (The brown part) So that would either mean it's an optic illusion because of the case, or the card is a plain counterfeit Should have compared with other parts of the card(Height, length on top...) as well as the genuine card under the casing

I got a damaged show and tell from tcg player and it was trimmed and had a binder ding.

The tinfoil-hatter in new immediately thinks that this video could be a secret partnership with Beckett. But let me put the hat down for a second because, no matter what, this video puts out there information that the regular person might not have available to them and is important to be aware of when purchasing/selling old cards. And I think that is beneficial for a lot of people. It was also a fun watch. Thumbs up. I can’t believe I almost skipped this one.

You really needed to crack one open, you can't do a size comparison on top of a thick slab of plastic. The very least you could have done is put the comparison card also UNDER the case and see if it's still bigger. Now the comparison card was always closest to the camera.

Amazing video!

This is an amazing informative video...wow...never heard of this problem...cool

While it's true that from the video you can't 100% tell if the cards are trimmed or if it's just perspective, I trust that Rudy has an extreme amount of experience in this and it's also worth noting that he went into it with a bias that they weren't trimmed so it defied his expectations.

I had never laughed so hard befor,Rudy holly shit it's actually trimed..

Back in the day people would trim cards as a way of marking key cards. Yog Wills qualified as a key card in a lot of decks.

Needs more investigation. Crack em out in a follow up video.

Countdown till Rudy starts his own grading service: Floppy Taco Authentication and Grading Service (FTAGS).

@antonsmith1497

4 жыл бұрын

@@Justjoey17 U dont see what he did there ? :S

@antonsmith1497

4 жыл бұрын

@@Justjoey17 How do htoise letters change when u write floppytaco together? F... :D

@sirfishslayer5100

4 жыл бұрын

I have a Swamp signed by some Rudy guy. I think I will send it in for authentication.

Everybody in the comments: Rudy they aren't trimmed! Look at the orange dots! If it was trimmed the dots should still line up!. He probably should have cracked one. And we won't get a part 2 because he's already mailed them back.

@mattblank4402

4 жыл бұрын

so how dose it work? i assume they trimmed the whole card to not only make the edges look cleaner but to make it symmetrical hence why one side isent fatter then the other side. But if thats true i wonder how they got such clean cut corners on all sides did they use a home made dye punch?

@jawstrock2215

4 жыл бұрын

@@mattblank4402 More likely it's a plain counterfeit that was printed slithgly smaller then a real card.

Running of camera and then slamming a page full of Wills in real time made me laugh so hard. Rudy's reference library is hilarious.

You have the sports cards trimmers to thank for this. They probably started (if not started it, popularized it) all this trimming thing to get cards with higher grade, so they can sell for a lot more. I heard companies and individuals were investigated and now grading companies starts to take a tougher stance on card sizes.

yeahhhh that yawgs will was NOT trimmed, it's a different size altogether. shit didnt line up AT ALL

Next time try shining the light in through the side, should work really well or it might be a waste of time. Either way...

@ 10:12 in the video, look at the "trimmed" card. Is it just me or does the actual art itself looks wider on rudeys card ?

Never thought i'd find shaved trim on a mtg channel, but here we are...

I see the trimming, seen trimming in comic books from Dreamland comics and Keiths Komix in Schaumburg in the 90's it takes the frayed edges off makes a book NM and people did not know

This why i buy mostly graded cards now

Perhaps inked and than cutted to remove the inked edge

The distance between both cards with the plastic in the middle could give the illusion that one is smaller than the other one. You should have cracked at least one to compare them back to back

adding my own comment to increase the chance of part 2 cause rudy flopped his taco on this one

Damn that took a turn :O

I think you ought to have em out of the case due to the layer of plastic between them because when you had em line up thru the case. The will and the cop white even the print of the square was smaller on the card in the case due to angle and distance on camera

7:16 if you look closely you can see that the inner edge (the brown one) is also shorter, it doesnt seem to be trimmed but being smaller in general? idk looks weird because if you would trim a card shouldnt the inner corners still align ? Or is it normal for Magic cards to have different size of background "stoneplates" EDIT: nvm i guess its just the distance between the cards and the perspective

You could tell right off the bat on the Yaw.......look at the front in the same spot....theres a trim edge right in the middle of the border.

officially hate magic but my love of Rudy overwhelms me and i have to watch XD

I would like to see a 'non-trimmed' card line up though a plastic case, or verify that the trimmed card is lined up on the other sides. As others have stated, it could be a function of the plastic case.

Aligning the edges is not a definitive test. Despite only 2 or 3 mm of plastic, there is still a parallax effect. I tried it with a card inside a One-touch case. The card inside the case looks smaller. Rudy, crack the case, it'll make it a fun video!!

6:46 If it was trimmed then wouldn't they have to trim both sides of the card so the frame lines up on the outside equally? From what I see here if it was trimmed then I would think the right outside frame would be wider then the left but bothsides look normal? Could this be misprinted from the factory as a wider card print or bad cut sheet?

@jamesflames6987

4 жыл бұрын

Card might have been misaligned to start with. That's why trimming would increase the value.

im interested in what is going on with the border and interior frame. they do not appear to be lining up either.

rudy there has to be some sort of weird angle or affect or somthing. the dots on the bottom right corner of the card dont line up either. the bottom left dot on the card not in the case is much farther to the left. also if they where trimmed by the amount it looks in the video, the black trim would be huge on the left side

“Holly Crap I’m look like a taco!” Rudy 2020

Rudy should have tried a slabbed card that was graded to check if this difference happens there too