Comment here who would you like me to interview next!

@nigmodeus

4 жыл бұрын

choice :)

@CR00SWIJK

4 жыл бұрын

Lacari, Old storys about manup!

@naufalshidqi9522

4 жыл бұрын

Biohack

@albani6242

4 жыл бұрын

interview Kyrandis, the "Lifeskill God" and his battle with tumor surgery

@madhausnintyone259

4 жыл бұрын

Pessle or Bösewicht

he's not a whale, he is a f**king leviathan

@justinpatrick9249

3 жыл бұрын

NekoFlen space super mega galaxy whale

@jowieonit

3 жыл бұрын

Craken

@itzplant3196

3 жыл бұрын

@@jowieonit Cthulhu

@Sergote12

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine other games. In Rise of Kingdoms there is a player who spent over 1M dollars(base on his estimate) over the course of 2yrs.

@Sorrelhas

3 жыл бұрын

Thomas Hobbes would be proud

I sort of realized that he lives in a different world than regular people when he referred to spending $500 on a game as "minute amounts"

@kobecorrall7863

Жыл бұрын

It’s even worse when you sit back and spend less than that 500 and you feel like your balling out 😂

"I have spent 160k on the game". - I love how we just casually talk about spending almost the entire cost of a full ride at Yale university on a video game.

@nicelysalted2523

4 жыл бұрын

@cougar fryer are you actually defending gambling lmao?

@LemanRussx

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicelysalted2523 that's what you got?

@NightElveee

4 жыл бұрын

@cougar fryer you sound dumb for gambling to that extent, and dumber for trying to justify it

@yuka7.999

4 жыл бұрын

@cougar fryer yeah because it preys on the effect of generating dopamine when you win, gambling happens to be one of the primary reason people are killing themselves hence las vegas casinos having just about zero balconies. your last statement is an obvious reason why gambling is bad in general and should not be continued, because there are more idiots than there are intelligent people

@BALTDGuitar

4 жыл бұрын

@cougar fryer you just dont know how to use your money and don't know how to expand your view gambling is the worst addiction to have worse than any drug.

This was super interesting content dude, good job

@moogleking

4 жыл бұрын

hey peon ^^

@Medhusalem

4 жыл бұрын

Oho, someone is thinking of revisiting the game?

@lmoral222

4 жыл бұрын

Succession Wiz OP right now, you're missing out.

@spicysweetness6095

4 жыл бұрын

Hey peon loved your ashes video its the best

@VRLoft

4 жыл бұрын

Damn thats props!

Dude literally spent more than my mortgage on bdo.

@inyalgaico1563

4 жыл бұрын

Dissapointing isnt it... What a waste of money

@TigerTT

4 жыл бұрын

Lmfao.

@crown1138

4 жыл бұрын

@@inyalgaico1563 that's the thing. if the dude is deriving joy from his actions he's not wasting a penny. a person's happiness is important, and if he can afford to bring joy to himself this way why does it matter lmao

@zayda304slaya9

4 жыл бұрын

@@crown1138 exactly they just sound like jealous broke ppl lol

@MrMeddyman

3 жыл бұрын

@@inyalgaico1563 Money is worthless if you got it. On the flipside. People like Jeff Bezos don't go to work to make more. They go because that's what makes them happy. Consider the insanity in that, time is more valuable than money and he uses his time to make more money that is essentially worthless to him because he couldn't spend what he has in several life times.

People like these can change the development of MMO's single-handedly, developers would of course go to where the money is. Sadly this will be the future of MMO's or any game they can shove loot boxes and "Convienience Items" into...

I just want to thank him for my costumes.

@lymphy12

4 жыл бұрын

and tets

@gold2537

4 жыл бұрын

lymphy12 you know I should tell him I have a preorder up for my sorc costume 🤔 😂.

@Dog3gg

4 жыл бұрын

Hello im the Black Spirit And thank you for your tri manoses Its very juicy

I think this guy is single-handedly paying to run one of the servers

Normal people don't make over $2k a day. He's so rich. It's mind-boggling.

@leroyylowell336

4 жыл бұрын

I make 150 a day lol imagine 2000 that’s freaking insane

@Kumawa23

4 жыл бұрын

@@leroyylowell336 I make 40 a day lol imagine 150 that's freaking insane

@wordi4458

4 жыл бұрын

@uNo I make 1 cent a day imagine making 5 cents thats freaking insane.

@Fillkarre

4 жыл бұрын

@@wordi4458 I pay my boss $40 a day just for the privilege of working, imagine making 1 cent a day that's crazy.

@shiesty9733

4 жыл бұрын

Filleツ I work for free, imagine having the money to pay your boss $40 a day that’s freaking insane.

“You’re either a whale of money or a whale of time.” And that’s how these p2w developers get you. They build content that is drawn out, barely playable and often times annoying so you will opt in to whale for money instead of time.

@tutku2038

4 жыл бұрын

Well you can't actually choose time nat because of having more money but time is literally one of the most important things in life. So if you pay to this game you can save time on other things like real life things.

@BoardWalkToke

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. They fabricated problems with solutions in the cash shop. That's why taking this game seriously is a joke. Just be casual and don't kill yourself over gear progression.

@rebellion700

4 жыл бұрын

I have money I don't want to spend reinforcing shitty monetization strategies within the industry and I don't have the time so even though I'm a devoted, competitive oriented player I get shit on by those less passionate and capable than I, and keeping up is impossible. All I do is sail around and do battle arena with friends now while I wait for Cyberpunk to come out. Game is a joke, competition is dead.

@someonesomeone529

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but what else can they do? You either spend time to be the best or spend as much as you can. As he also stated even with that gear he is still getting one shot by high skilled players who has lower gear than him. What kind of system would you expect there to be to enable players to climb to top? Even if you play some MOBA like LoL you have to put in immense amounts of time to actually reach top. How many hours a day you think any pro player on any game is investing?

@someonesomeone529

4 жыл бұрын

@@BoardWalkToke like what? weight, inventory slots, maids and pets? I mean a part from weight, they give almost everything for free, I have two extra accounts which I log in just to collect daily log ins, they have at least 200€ worth stuff each. Even a tier4 pet. Only thing that one must pay seems like weight to me...On my main acount since launch I spent like 250€ together with 30€ for the basic game and I actually bought bunch of shit that i didn"t need at all.

now this is some unique content heedun, awesome job

Super well done interview! Nice work

Great interview, and I applaud the honesty by Estimate. Great job guys

Great interview Heedun, look forward to seeing more from you.

@Heedun

4 жыл бұрын

More to come!

Wonderful interview, very entertaining and always nice to see someone else's perspective.

Nobody poor could afford to spend 2k a day. He's wealthy and this is a hobby

When the 1% plays BDO, I seriously can't relate. But still interesting to hear his comments.

31:30 that was a really nice play... hiding in the bush, and then going in after everyone is dead to wipe a bunch. WP

Really good video! Keep up the work Big Boi!!!

I'd love to know his definition of a 'regular' job... Dude spent several times more money on this game than I've had in my entire life.

@hikari4415

2 жыл бұрын

The Asian standard of a ‘regular’ job.

@MeneltirFalmaro

2 жыл бұрын

*Asian-American standard.

Interesting interview. Never had a huge issue with p2w but I guess thats from playing so many you kinda just get usto it being part of the game, or people yelling about it all the time that you juse become tone def to it. Thanks for sharing this

nice video, that was really entertaining

Keep selling the outfits so I won't have to pay real money for them. Thanks.

@furkancankaya2233

4 жыл бұрын

you are selling your time that you cant buy back :)

@Retro_Banks

4 жыл бұрын

@@furkancankaya2233 it's all subjective really how you choose to use your time

@ArcDevErik

4 жыл бұрын

@@furkancankaya2233 By nature of his statement he's already said, like almost everyone, his time isn't worth much.

@assassinaria

2 жыл бұрын

@@furkancankaya2233 That is correct. As long as he's enjoying the game while he makes in-game money, then his time is well-spent in my opinion.

@furkancankaya2233

2 жыл бұрын

@@ILubBLOfficial looks like no body understand my point. what I mean is you are giving your time it means you are having fun than you can buy cloths if you like them and if you have money cause you are giving more valuable thing than money to game already. so why you mind giving cash? Ofc it doesnt matter if you like to play game. but if you like that cloth you can also give money right?

you led the conversation really well. solid work sir

This guy was throwing my monthly salary away daily. I need a new career lmao

@petesok2425

3 жыл бұрын

day trade

@msghia5252

3 жыл бұрын

WXLF not true at all. Some doctors, sr. software engineers etc. Plus other investments

@ericleavitt9281

3 жыл бұрын

@WXLF he is 100% a trust fund kid with extremely rich parents. This is very common in china. They send their kids to NA to go to school and give them credit cards and bank accounts with so much money that its mind boggling. I dated a girl from china like this once.

@rairai5114

3 жыл бұрын

It's not a "career", he mentioned his parents are Chinese, usually these are extremely rich people who send their kids to NA to study and then go back to manage the factory where their parents made their fortune by exploiting their own people. It's all nepotism, nothing grounded in merit.

@endthefederalreserve8866

3 жыл бұрын

He has no career, hes living off his parents trust fund

Thank you for sharing this interview. Sharing it to my guild. More awesome content! From EatAllYouCan Guild - BDO SEA :3

cool interview, estimate is a chill af guy. invited me to his discord a few months ago and helped me out a bit when i started

28:28 we have those advertisements on eu in world chat too. Rmt happens a lot more than you think in eu trust me 😳 no one talks about it now but if bdo were to ever close then people would start talking and open up about it

160k reasons why I should stay away from this game.

Nice video man! super enjoyed hearing the point of view of the whale. :) Keep up the content!

really good video, even tho i dont play bdo (used to) i had good time listening

From China and moved to the West, makes sense on why he's rich. Theres two type of immigrants from China, the kind that comes here via having a relative who already reside in the west and the second kind is the rich one that comes here via the investment program. He's definitely not a regular guy working a regular job, hes either the son of a millionaire from China or has a job that pays 200k+ a year.

@josephhopkins2851

3 жыл бұрын

Can confirm he's both. He's also a super nice and humble guy. Couldn't say a bad word about him honestly, 10/10 enjoyed playing with him every day.

I found this by sheer chance, was absorbed in this every moment.

Been playing the game since release, this is the first time I hear about the offin tet flipping method is it really that high of a percentage ppl do stuff like this?

Thanks for funding the odylita expansion I'm really enjoying it so far

the equivalent of being subscribed to wow for 1200 years

Well, he's just another rich dude spending lots of money on things we commoners don't really think twice not spending money on. Anyway, WOW doesn't seem so bad now.

@ChoccyBoyo

3 жыл бұрын

He spent my 2 months worth of salary every day and even notice a dent. I’m gonna have a drink now and re-evaluate my.... everything.

Unique content, really good, thanks

Great interview, Estimate is a chill dude

this is the reason why MMORPGs are dead nowadays. The endless greed of the developers and people who are feeding them.

@NotMonofon

3 жыл бұрын

Because they need to survive bro. This game is also endless game even if you finish the story the game is still continue. Dev probably need to pay their staffs and servers bro

@yanami1241

3 жыл бұрын

@@NotMonofon BDO would have enough players to survive with a subscription model like FFXIV or WoW where everyone pay the same and you have to progress by gameplay and knowledge about the game instead of real money. But they make more money with their P2W model since there too many people who are to lazy to actually play the game or who have a god complex and that's why nearly all games do have P2W mechanics nowadays which is sad.

@Skine

3 жыл бұрын

@@yanami1241 meh would never try mmorpgs with monthly subs

@deezekii3479

3 жыл бұрын

@@yanami1241 i loved ffxiv but monthly sub is tedious I felt like wasting it for not playing for 1 day is scary so at the end of the day I dont like sub based mmo's. I want to have the feeling of "I can play anytime without worries of expiring playtime. Tbh, alot of people would agree as well. That gate is pretty much gonna get tedious for most of people as well. They would literally think why would they buy a game and pay monthly to play it. That is a lot to think about and very scary road for someone who just wanted to try mmo.

@deezekii3479

3 жыл бұрын

@@yanami1241 sure they couldve work back in the day but mmo is pretty much dead at this point that most players are now from the mmo community. Imagine putting a sub based mmo in 2020. People wouldnt crave that much because why would they do that when they can literally pay a sub on ps plus, EA access, and especially the xbox game pass wherein they can get tonsss of games monthly. Compare that to a single game u already paid and have to pay monthly to just play again. This aint the early 2000's anymore. So there you go. Brand new sub based mmo would never work out in 2020 onwards anymore for those reasons alone.

"as long as you are not promoting it explicitly" said ohdear, to 80k people watching the video

Great interview, thank you

hi can someone tell me the skill rotation heedun did @ 23:49 while hitting recovery center? Im playing sorc succ atm because I hate how awk. movements... but i want to switch back to awk. someday.

I only subbed because u dont said it 100 times like other YT´s xD Nice Vid =P

@Heedun

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, it means a lot :*

Lil late to the party, but I can agree on the peer pressure part. The first MMO I played my guild was full of some now friends that had cosmetics for days, so as I grew up and threw the game I too started to grow a collection. People would look at me and be like "you're a whole new type of whale" and to me it just seemed normal etc. because that's how I kinda grew up playing the game. I also merched everything I have which I believe people dont understand, so it's a bit different. I guess my point, the people you're around can definitely pressure you or form what kind of player you become. Interesting nonetheless.

So if i spend money on the game would i be stronger than another person who doesnt? pvp wise? or if i decide to not do pvp lets say i love doing some other activities does swiping gives me any advantages over other ppl that dont that they cant do the same by just grinding?

"My girlfriends not here" so I spend $160k on BDO LOL. I think the biggest issue is that whales see this as a competition and a game. They race to the top to get some sort of notoriety. No one really digs deep down and realizes that they have legitimate addiction issues. Lots of people have extra cash, working engineering/compsci jobs for $80k/year living on $10k/yr expenses. Addiction doesn't have to destroy your life, but imagine choosing between retiring at 30 with 400k in the bank, or retiring at 60 with 40k in the bank.

@BoardWalkToke

4 жыл бұрын

I get that people can choose to do what they want with their own money but spending that much on a video game is not right even if you can afford it. You can find that same joy without spending that much cash. Guy probably loved the fact that he could swipe his way into dominating other players. I'd be embarrassed to say that I spent that much even if I was a millionaire.

@BoardWalkToke

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kootsworth Ill meet you halfway. Playing the game and actually enjoying it is good but the amount of time needed in BDO to reach what he achieved is ridiculous. What I make in 10hrs grinding this guy can make in one swipe.

@Isadroid

4 жыл бұрын

His money, his rules.

@twisterrrrr

4 жыл бұрын

@@Isadroid exactly

@Jack-ly7ly

4 жыл бұрын

Who in their right mind would retire at 30 with only 400k lol

Considering the sheer amount and the way he describes it really paints the picture of someone who lost control over an addiction. Gambling.

oh pog, its my pok gai, ohdear

ah the nostalgia of re watching these vids is amazing

the silver transferring thing about the offin and stuff is really concerning me. you see, i hate BDO's enhancement system as much as anyone so all i do is buy tet, tap, fail, sell tri, grind until i can afford another tet to build failstacks as well as have a chance to get pen gear. I hope that someone in PA doesn't get that mixed up when all i'm doing is just outsourcing the enhancing back to tet part coz their enhancment system sucks. Anyway, great video! Very interesting indeed.

This is one of the most interesting videos on bdo on youtube. More power to you man

@rustyshield

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

"There is not that many things to spend on.. maybe 80k" X.X

Does Estimate have other socials? I tried finding his twitch, but it seems to have been taken down.

@TheKlopdokter

3 жыл бұрын

That's cuz his ass got banned for RMT'ing

Estimate talked about his RMT a month ago saying it's untraceable and then gets banned. LMFAO nice job!

@ShiroUwUs

3 жыл бұрын

He deleted his twitch account

@jiannotto9492

3 жыл бұрын

@@zao9256 he pretty much admitted to doing it. All of NA knew he was doing it.

@shtooi

3 жыл бұрын

Wait why was he banned?? Guy spent 160k $ lol

@jiannotto9492

3 жыл бұрын

@@shtooi Cause he RMT'd

@shtooi

3 жыл бұрын

@@jiannotto9492 i dont play the game. whats RMT?

This is like confession of an addict.

@3spooky5me79

3 жыл бұрын

Are you something shiny on discord i remember your pfp...

Interesting perspective

I dont know why i get the suggestion but it was worth a watch.

interesting video, good job

I like when he say at 6:33 ..new player not understand how long to get tri boss gear...when i start this game..i used tri full set grunil to grind at better spot like fogan then try snipe clean boss gear on old cm..lol good old days

with that GS he still getting clapped

I am really curious his stance on all of the new Dead God Armor now. Time for him to whip out that card!!!

So, if you really want to put in the work, can't you make the silver you need to get end game gear, by doing life skills thingy?

Hold up, ESTIMATE?? He was my previous guild leader

@nourragab5386

3 жыл бұрын

@Mister Educater banned? what for LOL imagine getting banned after spending that much

i buy one outfit and feel bad that i spent money xD

Out of this video topic. What genre game that base on your experience or interview that has most whales ? First though i though it was gacha game that has most whale but i want to change that mindset so i want other perspective

It all chalks up to what he said. Time is money, pay to save time. Some people have time, some have money, some both. I always say if u spend about 20 bucks month, maybe less or a little more(which is a WoW subscription basically) u can have a blast and incrementally speed up your progress. But I believe a slow pace at BDO is the best pace, the journey is the best part. Such an awesome game that doesn't need to be rushed. Personally, since Beta I've spent around 2~3k I think. Mostly cosmetics, artisan memories, and gambling. I enchant my own armor and accessories. Anyways, love the community!! Love the BDO community! Have a blast playing the best mmo to date and may the Black Spirit and RNGbus be with you!!

I like how he admits he spends gargantuan amounts of money and still says people in less gear blow him apart. Thats the thing about bdo the moment you hit 261 - 269 ap no ones surviving your combos the moment you land it unless they have insane evasion. You can easily get to 261 - 269 without dropping a dime and most players are gonna get destroyed at that ap. Especially with succession classes will utterly devastate you. There really is no true winning.

@quoctrungnguyen4553

4 жыл бұрын

P2w is cool only on large scale war lol , 1v1 still skill base only , crying about it on show how lazy and retard they are :)))

@Sorasdream

4 жыл бұрын

True that, you don't need to spend money to get to that level.

@cain7925

4 жыл бұрын

i've played since december last yr and im 269/324 rightnow without spending a single dime.

@ArcDevErik

4 жыл бұрын

You would say the same thing if you spent $160 on a game.

I have never spent a dime on this game apart from buying it at full price when it first launched. I am currently comfortably sitting at 280 kutum ap 350 DP just by playing the game 3 hours per day where one hour each day i grind for profit and the rest i spend on processing various mats my workers gather and then selling all of that on market and buying all the gear i need or various events that are going on, i never enhance and i sell everything i don't need. I only keep caphras that i get from grinding which i put into my pen gear. Bottom line, you just need to manage your time in the game correctly and set a clear goal for yourself and try to stick to it as much as you can, and i could be making way more profit if i really wanted to but 3 hours a day is more then enough for me. Certainly not the fastest way of doing things, but probably the least expensive on while i can still somewhat keep up with the big boys. For me, that is enough but then again im not much into pvp, do it only occasionally with the guild or in RB. You def don't need to swipe at all to be competitive, it will take longer to take there but it is much more satisfying knowing that when you do you did it through hard work and not by swiping

@ArcDevErik

4 жыл бұрын

"I have never spent a dime on this game" Oh boy I hate break it to ya...

@christiansilva4414

3 жыл бұрын

Cap

Thats a very good point now after seasonal server new ppl can be more geared after 2 months than ppl were after 2 years of playing before. I myself was 240 ap wchich was still pretyt expensive to get after i came back starting at 200 ap and then i just went 1 month in seasonal server and already beat it

im curious how can you even spend that much money in/on a game? what there to buy ?

Casually even saying 30k as the lowest number makes me sick man

And people like this, is exactly why the gaming industry is doomed. -You PLAY the game for entertainment. -He SPENDS *real world* money in the *GAME* for entertainment. -You both play the SAME game by the SAME rules....but not really. -There are effectively TWO different rule sets in the game: One for the *legitimate player,* and one for the *whaling player.* The game will ALWAYS have a severe preference for the whaling player. This is the fundamental basis of why PayToWin is extremely destructive to the gaming spirit. It is why I completely replaced gaming with a better hobby (though I still occasionally tag up the single player gems like Persona 5 or Ghost of Tsushima a couple times a year). Devs will create a game with an insane amount of potential (like BDO), then *turn it to shit,* to cater to whales/gamblers like this guy. This effectively ruined gaming for me. Micro-transactions, gambling, and filthy rich kiddos has destroyed this art form, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it if you are a honest player.

@MistaRobot

3 жыл бұрын

Many games are similar and we only bitch about EA.

@maximilian1588

3 жыл бұрын

as yes, the industry understander has logged on

@Opethian181

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but you're naive. Games aren't charity they are businesses which means they need to make money. They invest so much money to make a game, hire hundreds of computer engineers, marketing staff, graphic designers etc. Those "honest players" you mentioned are leechers not supporting the game they enjoy. They may not be able to afford it and that's fine but you shouldn't make people who pay for what they enjoy feel bad. Some people work all day they don't have the time to grind so they make it up with the money they earn. They grind in real life. There is nothing wrong with that. They didn't make this game for you, they didn't make this game so that you can sit back and play all day for free, they made it to make money, support their employees and create entertainment as a side effect. Welcome to the real world.

@10Mike10

3 жыл бұрын

he's banned now anyway xd

@maydayflowers

3 жыл бұрын

@@Opethian181 Then charge a damn subscription so that everyone's on a relatively even playing field. Add a cosmetic cash shop if you really want to appeal to the whales (and even this doesn't work with tradable items, since you now have a group of players with massive amounts of in-game currency that influence your economy). Your argument of 'grinding in real life' just proves why this model is exploitative and broken. You're better off *not* playing and achieving progress more quickly than someone who actually spends time in your MMO. So the ideal model is ... have a few people that spend thousands each month, but barely play. These are the Asian dead grinders like Archeage - BDO's just the latest one. Because why would anyone spend their free time in a real-life wealth simulator? Your average MMO player is running a marathon while some dude with a gambling addiction runs them over with a Ferrari. MOStein is right.

BDO is basically Pay to progress, and also pay for convenience. F3 feature is speeding up progress or saves from downgrading gear(not all of it) like Cron Stones for example.

I definitely think that there is some truth to NA having more players using real money for progression compared to EU. It would explain why, from what i have seen, there are always pearl shop items on the market in NA, where as here in EU there are almost non what so ever, and almost all of the pearl items have hundreds if not thousands of pre-orders on them. Anyways, this was a really great and interesting video.

19:30 must be nice ;.; I am still 0/74 on pen and I've been playing for almost 3 years. I just casual play now and I don't give two shits about gear. I just do T1's for PvP and then mess around the rest of the time.

@contaim7227

4 жыл бұрын

But isnt it sad that after all that time invested, thats what it became? That should be the point here, is that after all that money and time the game is still trash

Wow suddenly I don't feel so bad spending 1000 dollars in BDO on Xbox, but I still Regret doing so because I still get one shot by punks.

@mukkujr7949

4 жыл бұрын

i spent 100 and i regret

@onusai

4 жыл бұрын

@@mukkujr7949 i spent 20 and i regret

@LouisAle49

4 жыл бұрын

@@onusai i spent 10 and i regret

@petrurzm3596

4 жыл бұрын

@@LouisAle49 i spent nothing and i regret

So is he like the Highest GS player in NA?

13.242 hours in game wow xD nice content tho Heedun

The amount of money casually thrown around in this conversation is mind boggling, if you're $150,000 deep into a game, this is a gambling addiction with a mmo skin. We see it now with AAA games, EA Fifa packs... it's getting children addicted and no one is regulating this. Dangerous, really dangerous

@KrissNaramon

4 жыл бұрын

W H A L E

@foxshoot3138

4 жыл бұрын

Emm pso2 its roulet skinn game with a premium acount but i am totaly free and i have all of the skins i wanna

@sebastian192

4 жыл бұрын

it depends on your spending power and habits, if you listen to the interview some of the money he would spend eating out anyways, so its not like he's spending extra cash on the game. If i go out on a night out and it cost me 200 bucks, and i choose to stay home that night and just spend 200 on pearls, whats the harm? if anything its healthier for me to stay home and game than drink that much right?

@zayda304slaya9

4 жыл бұрын

It's not a gambling addiction if u can afford it, if u think 100k is alot ur obviously broke lol

@MonstertruckBadass

3 жыл бұрын

@@zayda304slaya9 oh look, a trust fund baby :)

TLDW: Your way of winning if you swipe is literally 0. You still get melted, you have to spend insane amounts to get silver and after Full PEN + Full TET Accs which is achievable without swiping you literally do it for the completionist sake. The rest of his swiping was just spent on his gambling addiction.

@wowserouisly

4 жыл бұрын

He’s acknowledge just entertainment not gains, not addiction when you got it like that.

@SoukenIDK

4 жыл бұрын

Consistency is key. A friend of mine treats BDO like a sub game still (tho since CM he didnt spend a single cent outside of VP's). Well long story short he is full PEN 305AP kutum makeing around 1-1,5b a day without touching a single mob. That said he recently got 1,95k masterie in pretty much all lifeskills. While sustaining a job, house, wife and pets. Its all abour dedication and being efficent even tho its not always fun and of course comitment to mostly a single game.

Things that probably aren’t covered in this to save face is the absurd level of rmting and piloting done to also get to this point. Especially the piloting, I guarantee the amount spent on that isn’t being mentioned as it is against TOS, and he for sure does it, so he p2wd his account in all aspects legitimately or illegitimately.

why does he have 309 ap with kutum and 2 pen narc? i tried it in bdo planer and full pen all c20 with 2 x narc pen is only 304 ap not 309, what am i missing??

@ADude846

4 жыл бұрын

Bartali and level reward

@DonPascquale

4 жыл бұрын

ok i google bartali, can i still do the full questline and all books or it isnt possible anymore?

@ADude846

4 жыл бұрын

@@DonPascquale still possible

Me: I can't believe he spent that much... My Steam account: 447 games purchased.

@dahm2696

3 жыл бұрын

I'm at 1300..

@user-dz3lo4wh1q

3 жыл бұрын

most of the games i get on steam are 5-22$ still cheaper than what he's blowing on a game that could shutdown. That or he could get banned or hacked.

@Lasse_kreikemeier

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-dz3lo4wh1q the account he swiped that money on actually got banned , no joke.

@user-dz3lo4wh1q

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Lasse_kreikemeier I know. And he used his trust fund money on the game.

@MrCmon113

5 ай бұрын

All on discount and all seemed like a good idea at the time.

i think whaling is okay if the person doesn't harm himself with it but the fact that you can spend 160k on BDO without reaching kind of a limit ingame is insane

@darthinvaderzim

4 жыл бұрын

Dood you need to open your eyes. I don't give a fuck if someone wants to hurt them self. Your life, your choices, your consequences. Not saying don't help someone with a problem if you can. Just what you do to yourself is your business. The problem here is that whaling hurting you, and me, and every other gamer. Companies are using this model to develop game specifically to feed that need to buy more advantages. That means the games are no longer built as games, to be enjoyed, but more like drugs to get you hooked. You never quite get that perfect high, just need to spend a little more to reach that next level.

@Akira23453

4 жыл бұрын

@@darthinvaderzim long drawn out way to say you are mad at pay 2 win but ok

@Elaine19899

3 жыл бұрын

@@darthinvaderzim imagine being poor LOL

@MrCmon113

5 ай бұрын

@@darthinvaderzim There's already more computer games that I plan to play than I will have time to in my life. So even if every future game is some gacha whale bait, that hardly affects me. That said, there's 0 reason to think that's true - actually it's easier than ever to fund and publish your own game, leading to a variety of monetization tactics.

what does he do for work?

Very interesting interview, something both p2w and none p2w should watch imo. Lots of players get hung up on the p2w aspect and it's always good to have insights on the overall topic, instead of begin salty and rage induced about the whole thing.

ahh shit estimate out here killin interviews, this was good stuff. and yeah a lot of people dog on p2w in bdo but the extent is so much better than other mmos. Like if you whale on blade and soul you become nearly immortal, but in bdo you can still get killed by any succ class no matter how much you whaled, but again, what "winning" is, is different for everyone, but its pvp performance for most ppl.

This was a super cool listen, I definitely think some of his views were slightly skewed to to make himself not feel as bad about quite the extent he's reached, however there's also a lot of decent reasoning as well. Despite not being a fan of spending ludicrous amounts of money on games, I do believe that people have very biased or narrow minded views when it comes to spending money on games. The way I see it is that if you're getting enjoyment from these games and what you are doing is not having a seriously negative impact on you or the people around you's lives, it is within reason to be okay. Especially when its on a game that you've dumped potentially thousands of hours into, playing over multiple years. Most people wouldn't bat an eye when they hear someone spending x thousands or 10's of thousands of dollars on a new car, which immediately depreciates thousands of value from simply driving it off of the shops car park, however those same people would possible then scrutinize someone who's spent their income on their hobby/escape or whatever else you label gaming as. I think having a physical item heavily skews people's views, and while that's understandable and within reason to appreciate more over something non physical, it can create a very biased view point.

@shabadooshabadoo4918

3 жыл бұрын

Its ridiculous from the perspective of anyone with average income, but I get the feeling if he didn't spend the 160k on bdo that he would have spent it on some other past time. Vacationing around, whores, expensive food, who knows what else. Thats just the money he has to burn. If he has siblings they probably spend a similar amount on their hobbies.

@___Robin___

3 жыл бұрын

'The way I see it is that if you're getting enjoyment from these games and what you are doing is not having a seriously negative impact on you or the people around you's lives, it is within reason to be okay.' I have a lot of problems with that statement. A lot of people cash out in pay to win games at the EXPENSE of other people their experience. How is it okay that 99% of the playerbase gets fucked over by whales in p2w games cause they have an unfair advantage. This is from an article I read before: About 0.15 percent of mobile gamers contribute 50 percent of all of the in-app purchases generated in free-to-play games. You do realize that publishers of video games decide to introduce CANCEROUS game mechanics, horrible grind and other bullshit cause they cater to

@hikari4415

2 жыл бұрын

@@___Robin___ Most of the games that are like that(mobile games), that have people spend money at the expense of other players happiness come from China. As explained in the video they have a different view on paying to win. As for games that do it for a predatory reason for them to earn more money and for players to only be able to progress through the game with micro transactions, those are games that definitely have something wrong with them but then again that’s their marketing strategy and if you don’t like that then don’t play them, that way it won’t affect your enjoyment. Online games have to earn their money from somewhere and make profit and most of that time it comes from in app purchases, most good and fun games don’t have a lot of ways for players to pay to win with only money. If it really ruins your experience and your joy with a game than I don’t really agree with you because to me it seems fair, they made and earned that money and therefore are able to spend it on a game they like. Most of the people that are f2p that I talk to in these games understand that and although may not like not being able to catch up without spending a lot of time are understanding about it. I also don’t agree with that microtransactions should only be in single player free to play games. I would agree with single player and online games that cost money to play but not with games that are free to play as that is how they make their profit.

@MrCmon113

5 ай бұрын

When I buy boots for hiking or chalk for climbing or sth ike that, the money spend stands in some relationship to the thing having to be made. In the pay2win game, it's just a matter of developers, arbitrarily coming up with prices to toggle an option.

I don't think NA has that many players doing RMT for listing etc., in NA - it's likely that it's more common in the top echelon of players in Estimate's community circle

how were you getting all these failstacks to enhance TET's and PEN's? really good video, more please.

@joshwaciantardrums

4 жыл бұрын

By rouletting your gear

@sirvere4840

4 жыл бұрын

@@joshwaciantardrums OOF

@mintyCS

4 жыл бұрын

@@sirvere4840 Buy tet smack pen sell tri repeat or buy tet smack pen sell pen repeat.

Lol i have never even seen that amount of money he spent on one game, this guy is insane

as interesting as this is I cant shake the feeling of disappointment because its these kind of players who enable the bad practices but a las I guess my point in mute because people will spend their money on dumb shit all the time

@azmone1862

4 жыл бұрын

i dont think this kind of player can be consider as enabler.. lets be real, how many player can afford spending on avg 4k usd per PEN item. I think whale is kinda detrimental for the game development as well cause game company need money to pay for the development of the game and other stuff.

@MrKooderna

4 жыл бұрын

Wow definitely no reason to be disappointed in these players. That's like me saying im disappointed in people who buy front row seat tickets to the basketball game so that I can't. I just don't bother going for front row seats... Just like I don't bother playing BDO. The GAME enables big spenders and big spenders ARE their player base and target consumer. If you arnt spending money on BDO, THEY DON'T WANT YOU THERE. You can be upset about it, but that's the fact. No reason to be upset at another person who is in their target market. Go play a game like ffxiv or wow who's target market is not people looking to spend consistently

@sirencall11

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrKooderna thats not even close to a correct or accurate comparison

@oluaeb5577

4 жыл бұрын

Hes obviously got enough money for it not to matter how he spends it so why wouldnt he sit there and spend 2k a day on a game he loves, it hardly effects 99% of the bdo playerbase so im not sure how much of a problem it really is. Obviously theres people on both sides here and anyone that thinks the game is P2W will argue with me for hours I just dont really understand why everyone takes it so seriosuly its a G A M E primarily played as PVE like seriously.

@abwilliam6290

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao people seems to think that whales enable microtransaction in games. It's called MICROtransaction. While game companies won't outright ignore the whales, the casual spenders are usually the main focus cuz that's where the money's at.

Id love to know what ohdear works as

I think its sad that a 34 min vid is considered long on youtube these days

Can casually spend 2k a day without noticing a difference wtf, what job is this

@killuax4474

3 жыл бұрын

well if he can spend 2k a day and not noticing any difference i guess he makes 2m+ a year lol

@spunkyjoe5910

3 жыл бұрын

2k a day for a month lmao, not a year.

@XBullitt16X

3 жыл бұрын

jesus most people make that in 2 months

@MrGreenBeanBeenBeanin

3 жыл бұрын

@@XBullitt16X No.. Most people do not make 2k in two months, or the homeless rate would be 70%

@ericleavitt9281

3 жыл бұрын

He is chinese and very young. I can almost 99% guarentee you that he has a huge trust fund. My friend that is chinese and plays bdo is in the same position.

Man most interesting video ever! This rich dude is cool as, his and your attitude is the same as mine on spending In game, although I spend like 50 a month but live to my means. Good on him for enjoying his game and earning the big bucks as he said time is money so totally makes sense to pay some coin to save heaps of hours same reason I buy pets to make more gains per hour I play. Ps4 here though.

@chuckthamuthafukiennorris9623

4 жыл бұрын

I ain’t spending shit on no damn video game

@zayda304slaya9

4 жыл бұрын

@@chuckthamuthafukiennorris9623 cuz u can't afford it 😂

Just for curiosity how old is this guy?

I feel like 80% is a pretty bold estimate, although the amount of people that are involved in some sort of rmt in NA is definitely high

@FunkyyCat_

4 жыл бұрын

Is it really that high though? I get the feeling that vets only consider endgame guilds and tend to forget/underestimate the amount of casuals.

@lenerlink

4 жыл бұрын

...I never heard of this...and im full PEN...And been playing since the beginning