Generally, a great video, but with one serious flaw IMHO. I have purchased about 20 Amazon renewed HDDs for my Home Media Server, and only a couple were defective. However, I recently received 2 HDDs that both passed the Quick Format but both failed the Extended Format - which checks the entire HDD. You just cannot assume that a successful Quick Format ensures you have a good drive. Although it takes hours and hours to run the Full Format on a HDD, it will check the entire HDD and let you know if there are problems. Better to find those defects when scanning the Full Format for hours and hours then putting the HDD in your computer after a successful Quick Format and only have it err out in a few weeks, months, etc... when the Amazon return period is over. BTW, the seller of the Amazon renewed HDDs I ordered never responded to my emails about their defective HDDs. Good luck on any seller warranty from them beyond the Amazon return period. These Amazon renewed HDDs can be a great value, BUT you have to really run them through the long, extended testing and Full Format option before putting them in use.

@GrantButler

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, that's definitely something worth considering. The $15 of insurance that I got is definitely worth the difference in your case.

@gtaus1

6 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler It might be a good idea to get an extended warranty, but the renewed HDDs I got from Amazon have a 5-year seller's warranty. I use these renewed HDDs in my Home Media Server where loss of data is not critical. If they wipe all stats from the HDD, you really don't know how many hours there are on that drive. If you can use them in a pool of drives with some kind of redundancy for HDD failure, then all the better. I still think it's a great deal provided the HDD passes the extended tests.

1:47 The extra 2 pins on the drive is for an activity LED. Pretty common for servers so you can see if the drive is functioning while it's inside the rack

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Awesome! Thanks for sharing the knowledge!

Interestingly, my first HDD cost me $11/MB, in the late 80’s. $1100 for a 100MB drive was a good deal then.

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

😅😅

Unless mistaken S.M.A.R.T. Information is understood to be reset therefore it's very difficult to tell how much these hard disk drives have been used.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Very true, is there any other way to see drive usage history?

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

@wojtek-33 yeah, I have everything backed up

@Eon46

17 күн бұрын

Same here: I bough a renewed 3 TB Seagate Compute HDD days ago, that I'm currently testing. Sounds healthy so far, but its Powered on hours was reading "1" when I started using it. Kind of a lottery I guess: you can hope to pull the barely used, returned product rather than a well-used one.

From what I've heard, Purple drives are designed more for continuous use, but focus less on data consistency. You shouldn't get any bad reads, but with video surveillance it's not really a big deal if a frame or two is distorted or lost. I probably wouldn't rely on a Purple drive by itself for normal data, but in a RAID array where you already have parity, it should be just fine.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing the knowledge

@UCAJq2oN0BQLFi3aAhhsX8-A

5 ай бұрын

Except Gold and Black, every color of WD HDDs are the same. The differences are just some flags is firmware.

@GrantButler

5 ай бұрын

@@UCAJq2oN0BQLFi3aAhhsX8-A thanks

@Solkre82

13 күн бұрын

Purple drives have firmware (they say) tuned to writing multiple streams of data with as little loss as possible. All these drives are the same inside, it would be neat if we could chose the firmware or behavior ourselves.

Very helpful video!

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

I bought a HGST 10TB, but it was labeled as used in data center, the seller said most drives had around 5yrs of POT, mine only had 3yrs and a total of 27 power on cycles. Drive has been working great and at half the price I’d say it’s a bargain.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Thats a killer Bargain!

@wintutorials2282

5 ай бұрын

Yeah thats the one im getting!

Great content man!

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I bought a couple of 'renewed' drives from Amazon a couple of years ago... just to see what the heck it was. You can't 'renew' a hard drive. Wear is wear. The SMART data was cleared by the people who 'refurbished' it- so I couldn't see how many years it was spinning away in some data center... I got one that had not been cleared.. and it shows like 5 years worth in hours. Well, they lasted a few months. Thankfully I had nothing important on it and what was on it was just test stuff... yea they blank the SMART data so it looks 'new'.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Oh dang. I'll be sure to keep mine backed up. Thanks for sharing your experience

@butmunchass

7 ай бұрын

There are some drives which are actually new but sold as "renewed" or "refurbished". I have a EXOS that was new but not sold as new. The reason that they do this is some wholesalers aren't contractually allowed to sell below a certain price if they sell the drive as new but they are allowed to sell "renewed" or "refurbished" drives for the lower price so that's what they do.

@GrantButler

7 ай бұрын

@@butmunchass hopefully this is one of those

@cayrick

Ай бұрын

I have similar thoughts that when a drive goes in for renewal it has been spinning and churning in a data center somewhere and shows up in lots. These are not from granny's PC who is sending emails and porn to her grandkids. Platters are worn, read write heads are worn and perhaps covered in residue and maybe throw in some head damage. I live in an area where it is impossible to send them back to Amzn by Fedex which costs more than the drive. For that reason why take a chance.

Pretty nice video! I have been contemplating getting one of these hard drives from Amazon Renewed for Cold storage and I think you made that decision a little bit easier.

@bearbear8693

8 ай бұрын

i did buy one sale and it worth it but the problem i hate you need power supply

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

I'm glad this video helped!

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

@@bearbear8693 what do you mean? I didn't attach any additional power.

@dreamfyrethedragon3764

8 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler They're likely referring to the SATA power connector which is connected to the power supply.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

@dreamfyrethedragon3764 oh, yeah, that makes sense.

Surveillance drives generally have very high endurance as they need to write continuously. Mechanically, they tend to have motors tuned to be used 24/7/365, better spindles and magnets depending on the drive. The best surveillance drives also have better vibration control mechanisms but I personally haven't seen much difference in all the consumer facing hdds. As far as renewed/ refurbished drives, they are very good options for bulk storage, especially when you can buy more than about 1.5 compared to new... Preferably 2 for 1 is my target cause there will be failures (about 10% in my experience in the first year) but if you got two that's about 1% for both to be duds. Of course avoid storing mission critical stuff on it without a backup. Other than that, they are great imho.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the informed input

pre-WD HGST drives are practically indestructible after not dying for a year or so. i remember data center techs just throwing them across the room into a bin next to the tape backup machine and they didn't care.

@GrantButler

7 ай бұрын

😲 Wow!

Power on hours is not a good metric all by itself, you also really want to pay attention to power on count, the number of times the disc has started and stopped. These data center drives are perfectly happy to be turned on and left on all the time, if it's not doing anything the heads will park, and the motor just spins it's fine. They don't really like being started and stopped, it's like thermal cycling: hot is fine, cold fine, going from hot to cold and back is not. For an ssd power on count is useless, and power on hours is also a lot less helpful, what you really want is the total data that's ever been written to the drive over its life. The fact that the disc info said 0 hours doesn't mean it's "really refurbished" it could mean the entire "refurbishing" process is wiping the drive's smart data, it's actually a bad sign not a good sign, because you're never going to actually know the drive's true metrics.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

That's why I paid the extra $15 for three years of insurance on it. For $11 a terabyte I think that's still worth it. I think I heard somewhere what you said about ssds. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and insight. I wish I knew a way to do a deeper dive on the hard drive after the smart data has been erased or reset

Last night I received a brand new Seagate Ironwolf 20tb from Amazon. When I tired it on for the first time it made a squeezing noise like a squeaking wheel on a car for two minutes. The drive would not let me initialize it on Windows and my MacBook Pro would also not even recognize it. I sent it back.

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

Weird. I'm in no way connected to or affiliated with Seagate. I just bought it with my own money. Sorry you got a lemon

Just Received my Exact Same HDD from "tech on tech." Looks Prestine! Recert date: May 17, 2023 Pwr on hrs: 0 Pwr on cnt: 1 I believe these are WD refurb HDD. I am currently running a scan, to ensure any bad sectors. Yes, HDD is not warranted by WD. Checked the Status and it shows its expired, or Out of Warranty. I ordered a 14TB HDD from the same seller, to pair it in my 2 bay Enclosure. Will Update with results of scan, and if the 14tb is the same.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

I will defiantly be interested to know your results!

@h1n1viruz

8 ай бұрын

0 bad sectors, performed very well during the scan (22hrs), and didn't make much noise apart the usual sounds. waiting for the 14tb hdd to be delivered@@GrantButler

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

@@h1n1viruz nice!

Surveillance is meant to be written 24/7 non stop, red is 24/7 powered on. BTW the warranty doesn't cover enterprise drives.

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

Interesting, thanks!

Drives optimized for “DVR”/surveillance/streaming generally have firmware optimized to minimize interruption of read/write performance, even if that results in slightly lower random access performance. They may also use a larger internal sector size since random writes aren’t expected to occur frequently. Some might also use SMR for higher capacities, although that doesn’t appear to be the case with your WD Purple 2TB.

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info!

Hmm, the 10TB model is now 89 bucks, might snatch it next week

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

Awesome!

Is there a possibility that during refurbishing, they reset the firmware and overwrote the usage history?

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

Yes, we just have to hope that's more work than it's worth to be dishonest.

I've never seen a "renewed" HDD ship in a package of new sealed packaging like that before. I could be wrong but I think you got a brand new one being sold as renewed as others have mentioned. I've even got HHD's that were supposed to be new shipped in some really terrible packing. Next time you get one if it comes in the same packaging check it for fingerprints, no joke.

@GrantButler

23 күн бұрын

That's a great idea. I think this may be "new-old-stock" sold as renewed

I've been running recertified HGST drives in a stripe of 6 mirrored pairs (ZFS) on my NAS for several years. No issues, whatsoever. Obviously I don't cycle data quite as much as an enterprise install would, but I have a very large media library on it that sees lots of use daily. I'll probably start swapping in larger drives sometime in the next year. They're not quiet drives, but I don't mind their clicking and whirring - I remember, fondly, the loudness of drives of my youth... and that system lives in a closet in a room that I no longer use as my office, so I don't hear it anymore anyway. lol I dunno if I'd want to run one on its own, but in a mirrored set, so you're relatively well protected from data loss/failure, yea they're a solid deal imho.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Well said! That's what I want to do next

@tcindie

8 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler I picked up a 3u case with a dozen hot-swap bays years back, dropped a used dual xeon supermicro board into it. I run proxmox on it and share the big zfs pool to the various virtual machines, one of which is turnkey linux's fileserver image so it's available as a samba share on the home network. Each pair of drives are mirrored, and the 6 mirrors are striped together. I've replaced all the drives, with larger drives once already, just have to do one side of each pair at a time, resilvering the other - then can expand to the full size of the larger disks. not too difficult. something like a radi 5 or 6 configuration would yield way more space, but I do like the peace of mind of a full mirror rather than having to rebuild from parity, which would take days on a large pool. lol

The Purples are optimized for faster write speeds.

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

Ah! Thanks!

Any update on how it's doing 8 months later?

@GrantButler

23 күн бұрын

Still working great! It's currently storing all my video files & backups.

Other than dust them off and ship them in a new box, what more do they actually do to renew these?

@GrantButler

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure

Today I bought 5 x Toshiba 22TB (MG10AFA22TE) for my NAS 😊Ultrastar was on my favorite list, but I have concerns about the loudness.

@GrantButler

Ай бұрын

I'd worry about the longevity of Toshiba. I'm replacing Toshiba HDD's every 12-24 months at my day job.

The RPM doesn’t say that much about its speed, when the capacity is a lot different. Imagine: both have 5 platters, this means that 16TB drive has 16 times the data density of the 1TB drive. So with each rotation, the heads travel over a much larger amount of data, compared to the 1TB drive. Keep in mind though; The density per ring of data on each platter of course isn’t simply multiplied by 16. It’s probably “only” doubled. Though the decreased distance between each ring of data takes care of a lot of the increments in data density. That explains the significant speed gain.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info!

@ernestgalvan9037

8 ай бұрын

1 TB drives haven’t had five platters since CPU’s had 8 bits 🤓 (ok, slight exageration) Modern 1TB drives have at most two platters This 16TB has five platters, thus ten heads per ‘cylinder’, which is 100% electronic switching.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

@@ernestgalvan9037 I think he was giving an example to help with understanding.

My self I stopped using standard hard drives in my desktop PC's around 10 years ago. Reason being well known brand name drives kept getting the click of death I got sick and tired spending money to replace them over and over. One of my SSD's I got laying around is 10 years old now and the thing still going strong.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

I get that, but it's hard to argue with the price! If I didn't say it enough, SSD's are definitely superior, just more expensive.

@ShapdCrusadr

8 ай бұрын

For $170 US dollars you can get 2TB - 4TB SSD depending on the brand name on Amazon. For that price I still would choose a SSD over a HDD and don't have to think twice about it. Heck I got a 8TB HDD laying around here some where can't remember where I got it from. I don't even know why I'm hanging on to the thing since I don't use HDD's anymore for storage. Perhaps I'll blast a few holes in the thing at some point and get rid of it.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

@@ShapdCrusadr you're talking about 4-8X the price per TB. I have a hard time with that for longterm storage

@ShapdCrusadr

8 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler My self I will choose that method any day of the week and twice on Sunday. For me using a HDD for storage no matter the reason is not a option anymore. But hey people can do what they want it's their money. My self I'm not using another standard HDD ever again my trust in them is gone and not coming back.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

@@ShapdCrusadr awesome! I'm glad you can do that!

I've had excellent luck with refurbished HGST/Hitachi ultrastar drives. The operating hours would spook anyone but SMART reports an otherwise healthy drive

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Nice! I'm glad those have been so good for you!

Grant Butler: Just curious. Do you think external HDs last longer than internal HDs?

@GrantButler

Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure most are the same except for the packaging.

Is the 3yr $15 an extended warranty or just data recovery? If it's part of a RAID volume, I don't think that data recovery is possible.

@GrantButler

23 күн бұрын

That's an interesting question that I don't have an answer to

I've gotten a few before (6). They r all less than 20hrs when I got them.

@GrantButler

Ай бұрын

Sounds like a great deal!

I have a SanDisk portable ssd i used it before now my PC not recognizing it. I noticed your (H) and (J) drives saying no media i tried everything watch a lot of KZread videos and nothing works that can fix the issue. Did you able to your PC to recognize those drives? Thanks

@GrantButler

5 ай бұрын

That might be my flashdrives or SD cards plugged into the USB ports

@topandrun126

5 ай бұрын

@GrantButler the removable no media is that normal for a portable ssd drive. I saved pictures and videos on the drive now my PC not reading the ssd. Thanks for your response.

@GrantButler

5 ай бұрын

@topandrun126 Oh, I see what you're saying. That doesn't sound like what you want. How did you put the pictures & videos on the drive?

i just got a 14tb version of this for $130 its showing it has 4yrs,64days,5hrs(36581 hours) of run time with 11 power on count. may return this because it dont seem like a very good deal for it to last a year or maybe a few years

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

Wow, that's pretty heavily used.

Paid $8.75/TB for an HDD on amazon just now. Can save all the fun vids now ;)

@malachiashley528

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for video

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

@@malachiashley528 I'm glad you enjoyed it

Bought a renewed 20tb drive and it arrived DOA not happy but waiting on a replacement

@GrantButler

2 ай бұрын

Bumper, at least it's not 3 yrs from now. That's why I got the warranty

If you want it for a steam library sure... otherwise I only trust brand new SSDs from trusted names for storing data I deem critical and cannot lose.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Sounds reasonable to me. I just use it to store all my video files.

do this compaction/tests after you fill it up to 75%

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

You'll have to remind me to do that in a year or two

@devamislive6966

8 ай бұрын

​@@GrantButlerok I will

Despite the advances in NVME SSDs and SATA disk 2.5p, I still use the old HDD, with plenty of storage for backups and even better than 10 years ago, today we have HDDs of up to 30TB for residential benches announced recently, with certain However, not all domestic users use this type of mass storage, but I believe that the options from 8TB to 18TB are more atypical in residential homes. Where the 1TB to 6TB ones were more atypical, today they are more massive, the trend is to have more HDD options not to be left aside because mass storage for $$

@GrantButler

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, you don't need high speed for most storage applications. When I'm editing videos I move the files to a folder on my Ssd then when I'm done I move it all over to the HDD

4:22 That's actually GiB in Windows, but it incorrectly displays as GB. GibiBytes are worth a bit more than GigaBytes, be sure that the drive is actually 16.000GB.

@GrantButler

Ай бұрын

Thanks

@UltimateByte

Ай бұрын

@@GrantButler You're welcome mate!

@keilveil9153

Ай бұрын

Drive manufacturers inflate drive capacities using the decimal system, while Windows accurately reports the usable space based on the binary system. 14.9tb is the result of the lie.

@UltimateByte

Ай бұрын

@@keilveil9153 The only lie is Microsoft who displays "GB" while actually using GiB. It's the only OS that incorrectly report storage values, Mac OS and Linux display the correct unit. However if you right click and select "Properties" on your disk, you'll be able to see the disk size in bytes, showing accurate values.

Gran video amigo, me sirvió de ayuda y compré una unidad seagate entreprise de 4tb renovada como excelente de Amazon por unos $60 y también se encuentra en excelente condicion

@GrantButler

2 ай бұрын

Awesome!

How do you renew a helium filled drive that you can't open? What do they do to renew these drives?

@GrantButler

7 ай бұрын

How do they get the Helium in there in the first place?

@MarkDalbey-cv9sb

7 ай бұрын

I have no idea, but they do.@@GrantButler

@GrantButler

7 ай бұрын

@@MarkDalbey-cv9sb I would hope it's the same way. However, I haven't found any info on how the renewal is done

@MarkDalbey-cv9sb

7 ай бұрын

If you haven't found any info, then I won't look. I guess the only thing that matters is if you got your money's worth. Just to let you know, I bought 5 2tb used drives for what I would have paid for one new one. I checked and the oldest had less than 1,000 hours on it. Four of them around 100 hours and none of them have any bad sectors. I guess I got my money's worth.@@GrantButler

$17 per TB is what i paid for brand new WD Red Plus at BessBuy (excuse the typo). Recert / Renewed are not trustworthy EXCEPT you know it's a Datacenter drive = perfect Temperature, no Vibration, no Mishandling by Hobbyists.

Did you tried a SMART long test?

@GrantButler

4 ай бұрын

How do you do that?

@wd5992

4 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler I am using Linux, "smartctl -t long $DEVICE". Windows: idk

@GrantButler

4 ай бұрын

@wd5992 oh, I wonder if that's the same as the smart report that o showed then

nice video

@GrantButler

19 күн бұрын

Thank you

Seems like they reset the smart data.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I wonder if there's a way to test or check to see what was deleted

I worked at an Amazon renew shop. That experience has made me extremely skeptical. My limited understanding of hard drives also leads to me thinking this is a bit of a scam. To me this is like retreading a car tire. Hopefully the drive functions for a long time. I would not trust it with my backups.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Well drives of this size are relatively new, so I'll keep my fingers crossed. Can you tell me more about that "renewal" process?

@KevinSchaeffer2

8 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler we put new SSDs into old toughbook laptops, cleaned the exterior and reinstalled windows. sometimes added ram. Threw away all the old hard drives. For me, wiping the online time is problematic if the mechanism that spins the disk is original.. I’m not really sure what breaks down on a HDD. I can’t imagine a process that adds value in the renewed HDD vs a used one with it’s true mileage.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

@@KevinSchaeffer2 that's super interesting. Thanks for the insight

So this is really interesting ... I decided to look who the actual sellers are on amazon ... this drive is sold by techontech which is in sanford florida, and the new 20tb toshiba drive i also mentioned which is a great deal on amazon - guess where that seller's located? yup you got it, sanford florida. this time called server tech repairs, but its exactly the same building.... 111 Central Park Pl #109, Sanford, FL 32771, USA .. So all these drives on amazon are more or less coming from one small shared warehouse space in florida. Im not convinced that 20tb toshiba is actually new after all ... Also Im not sure I want to trust my data to some repair shop in florida that dismantles old servers and ships them off round the world, sometimes listing them as refurbished, sometimes not.

I'm thinking of buying a new laptop, any clue how to make sure you can fit one of these into it?

@GrantButler

5 ай бұрын

Laptops aren't big enough for full size HDD's you'll have to find a compact hdd or an SSD. Let me do some research as to what you'll look for

@GrantButler

5 ай бұрын

This is a good place to get started. But there are tons of options out there. amzn.to/3tJAtDn

@Mr.Goodkat

5 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler I've heard laptops don't fit hard drives in them which are 3.5” and no matter which laptop you look at they never give details relating to the if they're 2.5" or 3.5" in that regard, problem is 2.5" hdd's are too small in storage capacity and external ones break too easy.

@GrantButler

5 ай бұрын

@Mr.Goodkat This one is reliable fits in a laptop & is FAST! (AND EXPENSIVE) amzn.to/47Go14R

@Mr.Goodkat

5 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler Wow thanks I am not in USA but I might be able to find that on a UK website too, I have great difficulty finding things like that, do you have any advise to help me find very large 2.5" internal hd's, the 8 tb is great but what is the highest 2.5" goes to?

Exactly, never should hard drive and renewed be in the same sentence. It’s mechanical and electrical, to be renewed it would have to come off the factory floor, with every component replaced. Not impossible but impractical and never done as far as I know. It’s normally a data center hard drive that’s been running close to average failure rate in either years, power cycles, bad sectors, or model that has been shown to have a high failure rate that they replacing. Some one purchased for cheaeeeeeeep in bulk, and reset the smart data and listed for RENEWED. I have purchased the before for home lab, but I won’t any longer. 2 out of six have failed in less than 2 months. But I have several that are several years old, and run 27/7 in my NAS’s. When I build a NAS I test run them hard for days, constantly reading and writhing to drives to find any issues before deploying.

@GrantButler

2 ай бұрын

Interesting. If you got thr warranty like I did you'd get free data recovery, and a new drive. Totally worth it to me

@MrKeithsplace

2 ай бұрын

It’s not mission critical, I have three NAS’s so backup, backup,backup, and sync with cloud for really important stuff. RAID or a NAS is not a back up, only a backup to a backup in 2 locations is sound data recovery security.

What was the warranty that came with the disk? Extra warranties on individual items are almost always a waste of money and over all your purchases are always a waste-especially if you have adequate savings.

@GrantButler

7 ай бұрын

It's a 3 year data recovery insurance. If the drive fails they'll recover the data for free. Not a bad idea for a "renewed" drive

They put them in those esd bags for a reason you know.

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

Yep. It's also not 1991 anymore either. Most esd is inconsequential these days.

@MikeDent

3 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler Hmm, pretty sure it's still a thing, perhaps even more so with the miniaturisation of components. Latent damage may catch you out in future but you'd likely just put it down to a regular failure and not something caused by static 6 months earlier.

Two words that should never go together "renewed and Hard drive"

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Why not?

@zeroturn7091

4 ай бұрын

As long as it works I’d use it for games and data that gets backed up religiously. No way on something like a NAS or DVR/NVR.

@geekatari4391

3 ай бұрын

I have a renewed 4Tb HDD still working great after 7 years.

@dgdigital2659

19 күн бұрын

I just bought 2 renewed Seagate Enterprise drives for media using Plex in raid 1 in a 2bay raid incloser i got on sale for $56 connected to a beelink Mini PC Total investment about $650 😂 runs like a champ

Wow, your explanation and operation of products are really detailed. Do you want to review Camcamp’s security cameras?

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Never heard of them, but I'd consider it. Have them send an email to me. My contact info is in the video description

I never thought to buy renewed hdds sounds like a bargain and maybe a follow up video in a year or two

@GrantButler

6 ай бұрын

Thats my plan!

You blocked out the serial number when showing the drive but didn't when showing crystal :) Good stuff. Thanks for the review, might pick up one. I'm a follow grant!

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

😅 I didn't even think of that. Thanks

It's very easy to wipe the SMART data and do zero work for real renewed drive status, that drives reading arm is making the same noises a drive that at the end of it's life, 30K+ hours power on, would make. I too have bought renewed drives off Amazon, Ebay and way back in the day craigslist,, ANY time a drive makes abnormal noises I return them or refuse the purchase. Another great piece of advice is to look at failure rates of drives on a massive scale which is usually public provided data from large hosting providers, Like AWS, Google, etc. They commonly list the drive model numbers, so you can make a more educated buying decision when looking at used drives.

@GrantButler

Ай бұрын

from what i've found this is one of the more reliable drives.

Please let me know if it's worth it to save time for everyone.

@GrantButler

2 ай бұрын

Did you watch the video?

@skillsorange4444

2 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler yes

@GrantButler

2 ай бұрын

@skillsorange4444 oh great so you know it's not yes or no. It depends only your situation and application

Unless the drive comes with OEM warranty, the drive isnt refurbished it is just used. No thirdparty is breaking down a HDD to resell. All "renew" means someone checked the drive visually, ran a SMART to check that it doesnt have BAD Sectors. As for O hours, it just mean SMART data has been wiped.

@GrantButler

4 ай бұрын

So how would you check to see if it's worth it?

@robertlee6338

4 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler You don't, it's pot luck, so buying from reputable thirdparty "warranty" is a must. A technician will take 50 minutes to well over an hour plus to open/check/replace/close a HDD parts, add labour/overheads/cost to aquire the drive, it makes more economic sense to do perform a software test, than repackage all that passed to sell, expecting X% to need warranty replacement. Hence "renewed" rather than refurbished from reputable sellers. How long will it last even new some are DOA, some die in 6 months but pass 24 months many will last 5 yeras and a good percentage 10 years. The biggest killer of HDD that was wun 24/7 for years is actually power down transportation and start/stop of HDD once out of the DC

@GrantButler

4 ай бұрын

@@robertlee6338 thanks

yeah its an enterprise drive so its going be faster than a consumer HDD

@GrantButler

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@johntanner611

7 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler welcome!

Hi everyone - OK - I have a question that I HOPE you can help me with. My system runs an MSI B450 Tomohawk Max II motherboard... Now - when I used to build PC's years ago - each chipset had a maximum addressable hard drive capacity... I have contacted MSI a few times and their answer has been... "Meh - try it - let us know..." I can afford the huge drives - just. I cant waste the money though. Can anyone advise either a reliable source that can quote the maximum capicity the chipset can address, or even have experience using it to anything over 4TB? Per channel? (I have a 2TBNvme, so 2 channels are closed on this chipset, leaving 4 open). Please do not leave "Just upgrade your mobo brah" messages - my build is imbedded and can't be changed - I just need to know how large a drive I can fit on the last four ports? I'm happy to buy anything but I can only do it once - so I have to be careful...[EDIT] - Grant - Dont forget level ram - 7200rpm vs 5400 rpm IS importand - but LV2 ram is more important you can have a slow 7200rpm with 64 or 128mb lv2... and a and a very fast 5400rpm with 256mb... That cache is veryimportant especially for "broken files" by which I mean music, video etc - Moving one film - fine. The same amount of data in 2000 small files - worse... LV2 cahe is very important. If you can find the golden goose of 7200rpm and 256MB - you're close to SSD baby!!!!

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

From what I can see online, it should be good for 18 exabytes (18 million TB) the limitations were from your operating system not the mother board. If you are using 64bit operating system. If you're using a 32 bit operating system, (Very out-dated) you're limited to 2 TB.

@damightyshabba439

3 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler Hi Grant - thanks for the reply. No, I'm on a 64bit OS (Win 11 Pro)... I get that the mathematical limits are as you say - honestly I didn't go THAT far!!! thank you!!! but chipsets tend to limit things in different ways - hence 64/128/256/1024GB ram limits on very similar boards. I'm just worried about but a massive drive and my motherboard not being able to see it... Maybe I should stick to 4TB... Just to be clear - its not the math thats my problem - its the chipsets... I've had issues before where a PC wouldn't work purely because the Motherboard could not "see" the drive - it was too large. Thats all.

@GrantButler

3 ай бұрын

@damightyshabba439 how long ago was that issue? What was that system running (windows version?) I don't know everything, I was just going off of what I could find.

@damightyshabba439

3 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler In fairness - a long time ago - I used to be an IT manager and I bought a bunch of drives - turned out our servers didn't support that capacity. Then the same thing happened at home. This is Win 2000 - Win 7 Era. (Vista, but we dropped that VERY fast!) I guess my worries may be based on old problems that have been solved? But the B450 is itself old.... The last of my savings going on this - I need it to work!

@damightyshabba439

3 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler Oh - and thanks for the reply - Lot of love and gave you an additional reply to screw with the algo.....

The warranty sold on Amazon is sold by Amazon but provided by a third party company, good luck with that.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

Amazon probably wouldn't sell it like that of it wasn't good

And if it content harmful stuff to your pc ?

@GrantButler

2 ай бұрын

what?

I have this drive - its super annoying - you cant use it in an enclosure because it requires the special adapter cable. Also the price isnt worth it ... this one is 24.4$nzd/tb ... and it was released 3 years ago so it could have had a LOT of use on it .......... but since you can get a brand new toshiba MG10 20tb for 33$nzd/tb honestly its not worth the risk considering the years of life youre gonna be losing.

@GrantButler

8 ай бұрын

That's some technical info I'm not familiar with. What is "nzd/tb"

@xangodango

8 ай бұрын

new zealand dollars per terabyte. so the ratios will be the same as USD @@GrantButler

@stuartedwards6996

3 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler New Zealand Dollar per Terrabyte

0 hours in your machine since you just formatted and initialized it!!!

@GrantButler

2 ай бұрын

Yeah

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that a HDD failing almost 3 year into buying it is gonna be recognized fully; you got scammed. Allocation Unit/Cluster should be 4K, for optimized allocation

@GrantButler

17 күн бұрын

Whatbdose that last sentence mean?

@saultube44

16 күн бұрын

@UC_S7uwXfL5gx7fPEwUXNq2g Google

@saultube44

16 күн бұрын

@@GrantButler Chkdsk

Before i watch the video. I will say NO.

@RingwelskiJacek

21 күн бұрын

Btw for my most recient nas server build I managed to find a deal at bestbuy on 12 TB seagate ironwolf nas drives. At $200 per drive, that's $60 off msrp. They come with a 5 yr warranty from seagate and 3 yr data recovery from seagate. Just wait for a sale and pick up new drives. Renewed drives are frequently unused stock from data centers. That are out of their warranty period and the data center doesn't trust to install them. There's a reason they don't trust them....

@GrantButler

21 күн бұрын

Lol why?

NO.

@GrantButler

Ай бұрын

No what?

@abpccpba

Ай бұрын

@@GrantButler You wrote " Is an Amazon Renewed 16TB HDD worth it?" and I said NO.

Nope

@GrantButler

2 ай бұрын

Wut

@mkatakm

2 ай бұрын

@@GrantButler you don't know how long it was used, how heavy it was used, how properly it was used etc. Even a 1% risk of failure rate renders a storage media worthless. Data safety is the goal here, even if it is only game data for they contain hundreds of hours of your gameplay. I don't recommend any used storage media even if they give it for free. Refurbished my ass. As if they really renewed a worn out magnetic surface. Used SSDs are worse,