"Too dead" is not nearly the problem that "not quite dead enough" presents.

@steelwarrior105

4 жыл бұрын

There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead- Billy Crystal

Up Next - Gavin entices buck to walk into freezer without firing a shot.

@Ultimatereloader

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha "There's a doe in the freezer looking for company" :)

@sentineloffreedomforever1381

4 жыл бұрын

Now that was funny as shit. next time you do your reloads use a little butcher paper wadding that way all your meat will be wrapped right as you shoot it

@reaperhunter7297

3 жыл бұрын

Hey quick question what is bigger 300 win mag or 300 prc?

@captainnitro4459

6 күн бұрын

@@reaperhunter7297 Complex question: Are we talking Overall cartridge length? powder capacity? Diameter of cartridge? This might help: www.longrangeonly.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/SAAMI-1.jpg

Great video. I’m new to the variety of rifle rounds and could not have asked for a better, more entertaining lesson on 300 PRC. Love your videos!!

this was actually kinda cool to see the data on the PRC and its capability at distance. I've been seriously considering the 300 PRC for next years hunting trip out west.

@Drivapete

3 жыл бұрын

I live "out west" and shoot a 257 wby mag for everything. Like a lazer beam to 300 yds and never lost an elk or deer yet! I keep my distance to 500yds. I'm a better hunter than a long range shooter. I'm sold on Barnes bullets and I reload my own cartridges for great accuracy and piece of mind.

Nice buck, gotta love it when they come to you.

My deer rifle was a 416 taylor when I lived in Alaska. Worked great and I never felt over gunned. Looking at building a 300 PRC on a Winchester CRF model 70. Talking to my Gunsmith on Monday in regards to the magazine length. From what I can figure, loading a 200 grain Nosler partition at the base of the neck is going to be around 3.66 COAL. Congrats on the deer!

Awesome rifle and cartridge! I built a 6.5 Creedmoor and used it for my mule deer hunt with the 143 eld-x in my hand loads. Shot was inside 80 yds and turned lungs to jelly and blew the heart clean in half. It's my go to bullet..

Congratulations on a nice buck!

You can never have too much gun! For hunting out of my .300 RUM I shoot the 208 ELD-x, terrific bullet! For more bullet toughness I use the 200 gr Nosler Accubond, that bullet has been excellent on Alaska game of all sizes.

I have a Fierce Carbon Rival in 300prc. Had the same result as you did with the bullet on a whitetail at 120 yards. Jacket stopped on far side but something came through the far side and left a quarter sized hole. Absolutely shredded the lungs and the heart was nowhere do be found. Completely blew the heart apart.

Nice buck and great channel.

@Ultimatereloader

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Bring enough gun is always a good rule to hunt by, that being said for deer IMHO the 7mm/08 is a perfect deer round for ethical hunting distances. I've used it for over 25 years and it's performance has been stellar, most kills were DRT and if any animals ran it was maybe 10 yards before balling up. Of course shot placement is everything and lately I've been playing around with the 6.5 Creedmoor. I'm a handloader also and enjoy your channel and really enjoy doing less with more and the 6.5CM fills that bill. I bought an "old" Savage Axis in 308 for $125 and rebarreled it in my basement to 6.5CM, my daughter in law had been shooting a Tikka in 6.5 for a couple years so I had plenty of brass and bullets. I took a 210 lb. doe with it last season with a 130 gr. Hornady Interlock with a double lung shoulder shot at 165 yds. Her knees' just buckled and she dropped where she stood, good enough for me with very little recoil, 42 gr. of powder and bullets selling for around $30/100 and judging by the ballistics tables I wouldn't have a problem using that cartridge out to 300 yds. or so. It also holds 1moa or slightly better with an EAB barrel and a 3x9 Vortex. Wanna go out for bigger animals, use enough gun and drag out the PRC, 270WSM or 300WM but from what I'm seeing from an economy and performance standpoint the 6.5CM might just be the new "go to" for deer and remember, the more money you save means the more shooting you can do for most people.

Inside 250yds I hunt with blackout. Despite what the haters say, a 150gn pill @ 2200 fps does a pretty good job at that range. I would love to play with 300PRC someday, but I cant justify it yet. That buck is beautiful. Nice catch.

@cankiller1000

4 жыл бұрын

30-30 was one of the most popular dear cartridges with very simular balistics.

I grew up hunting whitetails here in Pennsylvania. My family has the tradition of a rifle to start off at age 12, often a 30-30 (mine was a 32 Spec). You use that till you have the money to get a forever rifle (mine was/is a Ruger M77 in 270). Lotta guys don’t own a second deer caliber rifle. We hunt hillsides with pretty dense cover so shots beyond 100 yds are rare; most are 50-60 yds. A guy in our gang had bought a 300 Win Mag for an out west elk hunt. He carried it on opening day in PA and had an 8 point come by at approx 40 yds. He got his deer but lost both front quarters. There was your definition of too much gun.

@sd402rcool

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta love that 32 spec.!!!! Taken many a deer with it.

@joeromanak8797

4 жыл бұрын

sd402rcool - Me too. My dad bought it for me from a neighbor for $35 and it came with a case and 2 boxes of shells. I still have it. It could do anything my 270 can do. I have a scope on the 270 but back when my eyes were younger, the old Winchester buckhorn sights worked just as well. I also killed a lot of deer with my 32 and it’s very special to me. Thanks for the reply.

@redneckninja2539

4 жыл бұрын

While I agree about losing both the shoulders, i prefer that to a bad batch of .25-06 bullets where I was losing the whole deer. They were like the hand of God hitting deer beyond 100 yards, several one shot drop them in their tracks at 250. Best I could tell the bullets were breaking up because of too much velocity under a 100

@HarrisonCountyStudio

4 жыл бұрын

Joe, same here in WV. Started out on a Marlin in .30 .30 when I was young. Before my senior year in high school I was gifted a 1971 Ruger M77 in .25-06. That rifle dropped everything I pointed it at.... I don’t hunt with it much anymore, I plan on gifting it to one of my sons when they get older.

Another nice thing with the monolith slugs is there is very little meat damage. They don't explode like a gernade inside. They open up like a broad head arrow and cut clean you can eat up to the hole.

Took two mule deer this year with my Christensen arms MPR in 6.5 PRC. Both bucks dropped where they stood, one at 801 and the other 440 yards.

@Ultimatereloader

4 жыл бұрын

Scott that’s some great results! Can’t wait to finish my 6.5 PRC build!

Yes, I just got a CA Ridgline in 300 PRC 26" barrel 1 in 8 twist. That I plan to use for hunting in Montana.

Nicely done!

@Ultimatereloader

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tommy!

100 to 200 yards is my limit due age and ability ..... using a ruger #1 in 35 Whelen which works for "ME" these days for harvesting venison. Do have a Remington Sendero 300RUM that i use as well for venison but the 35 Whelen is my favorite. A SAKO A7 Roughtech in 6.5CM for varmint hunting ..... Those calibers are my favorite's . My EDC reliable ugly accurate truck gun for the farm is a old 30-06 Sporter Mauser 98 that takes a lot of abuse in a rack behind the seat. Really like your videos .... keep em coming ...... Thank You. Possibly a legacy video on the 35 Whelen reloading as the parent case is versatile for many calibers.

Nice harvest !!! My goto round is 308WIN with 150 Hornady Inter Lock at 100 yards give or take.

I would like to buy a bergera in a 300 prc mglite series but I cant find any reviews on the internet. Have you shoot one and is it easy to handle ?

I have 6.5 PRC and 243 Win to hunt with in bolt guns. Just bought the PRC and am looking forward to next watching the build series on 6.5 PRC

I'd say the 6.5 PRC would be the right choice but either way, PRC FTW!

I use the 300 WM. Furthest kill shot I ever had was 200 yards. But that's extremely rare here in northern Vermont.

my 30.06 would go right trough a red stag or hind at 75 yards .& the projectile would stay together .

I use 28 Nosler. I live in west Texas. It is always windy, and 300 yards is a close shot. I regularly shoot at a range that runs out to 1000yds and i am very proficient at reading wind. I still would never shoot game beyond 500yrds. Giving them a half second to move added to finding them in the scrub is enough challenge. Shooting game with magnums will almost always lead to poor bullet performance at ranges under 150 yards, you are relying almost entirely on muzzle energy rather than bullet performance.

I think of it like this whether you're setting up an elk rifle that you might use for deer or are you setting up a deer rifle that you might use on elk. In one instance the 300s (prc, win mag) are perfect. In the other instance id probably go a little smaller,I really like the 270 wsm. But hell shoot what you want, it's always fun to try new rifles and loads.

6.5 prc is my next build, it will fill my 6.5 family of freedom.. 6.5 grendel, .260 rem an soon a 6.5 prc.. Love the content from your channel

6.5-284 norma (very similar ballistics to 6.5prc) ELD-X 143g excellent terminal ballistics. ive see great results. theoretically if the bullet expands less at slower velocities, Farther range, it will increase penetration capabilities. that's a good thing, more entry into the vitals.

After seeing a lot of videos on the eldx case/core separation seems to be the norm. Looks like I'll reload for my prc hunting ammunition. Thanks for this series it's been awsome!!

@Mr1super1tweak

Жыл бұрын

Eldx are super accurate but because of the jacket/core separation issues I've seen over and over again i switched to nosler accubond long range.

Nice! What twist rate for your rifle? would you recommend this to others e.g. for someone shooting Hornady factory only. God's Love, Mountain River Valleys!

I would definitely hunt with the 300 prc.

When I do my next long range rifle build, it would no doubt be a 300 PRC. I live in Ohio, and don’t do a lot of long range shooting....but I plan to do a build sometime for coyote and ground hog...and when I do, it will be a 300 PRC.

"Why is my dude friend down taking a nap?" If I had a nickel for every time my does said this....

I like my PRC for long range paper punching but for hunting....Ive never needed more than 308 Win. It works on bear, deer, elk and pretty much anything else I want to eat. I like the 212 ELD-X in my 308. It makes for a fantastic 150 yard hunting round, the bullet stays together and mushroom quite a bit.

Sweet buck!!! I also see you have the MDT grip, I have one as well but I noticed I have to place it back where I want it and tighten it back up because it comes lose. have you like put lock tight on yours or something? kinda curious about the best way to keep it solid with its 3 piece setup.

@Kman31ca

4 жыл бұрын

Some blue loctite should work?

@jacobwhittaker6241

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kman31ca that's what I was thinking but, where is aluminum and plastic idk how it would take to it. Lol

@jacobwhittaker6241

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kman31ca also didn't want to hurt it since for some reason it's a $50 grip. Lol

I've hunted white tail with 5.56 monolithic and they always drop in place, I also don't shoot them out at range, typically around the 30-150 yard range. Even then I'm not a fan of shooting beyond the 100 yard mark with .223 I'm going to get a 6.5 creedmoor to replace the .223 as my deer and coyote rifle little more energy, little more accurate, little less affordable lol.

I had the Problem with Eld-x 180grain in .300WSM that i had a lot of meat to cut away and throw away from Red Deer and Roe and Pig. Now i load the Flitzer from Lutz Möller and i can Hunt from 10 to 200 kg (or even more) every kind of Wildgame without throwing away any meet! I wouldnt believe it first but it works more than great.

I would like to see how much blood shot meat there was. In my experience the ballistic tip bullets are very effective, but they cause a lot of meat damage if they are moving too fast at impact. At 50 yards my guess is that there was quite a bit of fragmentation.

@joshlower1

Жыл бұрын

With proper shot placement not much ruined. Just the rib meat mostly

Cool story. Nice buck- he's huge for a black tail. Again, Nathan Foster is a go to guy on this topic.

Mule deer are tough. I shot a whitetail with my 28 Nosler with a 195 Berger, I also thought that was too much. That thing knocked the deer over and it never moved after that. It hit the deer at 300 yards and still carried 3200ft/lbs

You can use whatever cartridge you want. The only time anything would be “overkill” is when you enter the rounds that could be considered artillery.

.300 PRC looks nice. I'm hunting with a .35 Whelen based on recommendations from friends in the know as I don't see myself engaging in shots further then 500 yards in a hunting scenario.

@TrolloTV

Ай бұрын

500yds when hunting is pretty far dude.

@TheIamfrustrated

Ай бұрын

It is. I don't see the need to engage that far and everyone I'm learning from would take their shots at 5 yards if they could.

I'm hunting with a .308 (Savage 11 bolt action) and a 450 Bushmaster (AR platform)

How would the 300 prc compare to the 325 WSM...

I’m looking into a 300 prc but trying to figure out my barrel length to go with 24 or 26” what do u prefer and why thanks

@Ultimatereloader

3 жыл бұрын

For a suppressed rifle- 24", else 26".

Gavin, A couple of points. Love how you use data. Hard to beat and argue facts. I really appreciate you bringing up ethics. Something I think people are forgetting these days when harvesting game. 2nd, Hornady markets the ELDX as a hunting bullet you can shoot a match with. I have seen several ELDX’s with cup core separation like you had. A saw an antelope get harvested at 372 yards with a 30-06. Had 5 exit wounds. I will not use the ELDX on game for that reason. Especially Elk.

Oh man I wish I could’ve heard the end of the phone call you were on, “I gotta go a buck just walked on to my range” lol Great review of the terminal effects and speaking on the lethality of the cartridge

@Ultimatereloader

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha- I was on the phone with accurateshooter.com and whacked a couple rock chucks while talking with them :) :) (out the window of the cabin).

@Ultimatereloader

4 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to have you over Logan, we'll have some REAL FUN!

So just like you were saying on this video I ended up getting a caribou this year with a 6.5 creed using 143 eldx bullets that I got for that role and it worked perfect animal made 2 steps before it was done. I also got a moose with the same gun and it was much closer to the deer in this story of it just happened to be there and that was what I had and the moose dropped in about 5 steps. While I wouldn’t say that the eldx bullets or especially using a 6.5 Creed on a moose is perfect both do the job very well especially when the hunter takes the time to place a shot well.

While I don’t have a 300 PRC, my 300 Win mag and 300 Short mag perform flawlessly. In my youth I was trained for longer shots but unfortunately, age does catch up so using learned stalking skills comes in handy for closer ranges as we progress in age.

I use 300wsm more than I use 308. Drops them dead everytime, cant be to dead 300 prc should do the same

Got a video or details on that black bear taken with the creedmoor???

Had a 120 yard shot on a whitetail. Using 7x57 140 gr hornady sst. Found only the jacket on the inside of the hide on the opposite side. He was still dead so it was all good.

Cartridge is new to me 2/12/2021 Sound's excellent. It is over kill for deer but I would hunt deer with about a 150 grn bullet. Cartridge sounds fabulous for ELR fun. Will be learning more about this new find.

Congratulations nice buck.

Just picked up a christensen arms 300prc as an all around hunting rifle for deer, elk, bear, and wolf with the ELDX

Just bought a savage 110 LRH in 300 prc, very much considering using it for hunting once I get it sighted in.

Nice harvest! I too would be interested in knowing more on wound channel and tissue damage. I'm currently doing load work up with a custom Remington 700 in 300WM chambered long...3.6 inch and currently fine tuning a node at around 2950 fps with the 212 ELD-X and H1000.

@Ultimatereloader

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, that sounds like a killer load!

@seapierce

4 жыл бұрын

Once I get it all dialed in, I'll let you know. I think it should stay super sonic to 1700. I'm hoping anyway

Im working on a 300 PRC now. Setting up for long range target and match however will use for long range hunts. On a whitetail i think it is a bit much at distance closer than 200 yards. 2000 ft lbs is alot of energy. However i think i would just use a lighter bullet and or drop the charge down to limit the energy for those distances. However i plan to go out west and go after some Elk so the versatility will be needed. Plus ive always wanted a magnum rifle. So ill be getting it all

What’s the lowest grain bullet does this caliber has

I’ve recovered some SST bullets out of hogs, the core also separated from the jacket

I load a 300 wm and a 300 wsm for mule deer and elk. Both are 212 eldx. 300 wm is around 2980 and the wsm is 2870. I shoot a lot and have killed deer and elk out to almost 700 yards. Farthest track job was 30 yards down hill. Nothing beats a fast kill and I do not have a lot of meat loss unless I hit a major bone.

Congrats on the deer and a great shot. Some would say it’s overkill because essentially you could have used a .243. I personally don’t think it’s over kill. Yes it’s a lot of gun on a deer at 100 yds but if that deer is at 600? Then it’s nice to have that extra energy for a marginal shot. The ethics police can argue all day long in this, but let’s face it, when it comes to hunting, not every shot is perfect and it doesn’t always go the way we want. Things happen. I like to error on the side of caution and usually use a higher caliber. Great video again

@bobbygetsbanned6049

2 жыл бұрын

Since when is hitting a deer in the shoulder a great shot? That whole front quarter is fucked.

@robertpetersson1390

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbygetsbanned6049 I agree. And who shoot a deer at 600 yds. If you cant get inside 250 yds dont take the shot. 30 06 and 308 is all 30 cal you need.

@mikeborgstr5188

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpetersson1390 I have a funny feeling he is way more than capable to make a 600 yard shot on a rabbit, let alone a deer. Quick ethical kill is all that really matters. Shoulder shot, not for me, wrecks too much meat. Everyone is different in capabilities and opinions. That's the nice one nice thing about living in America!

@boatsanhs9709

Жыл бұрын

@@robertpetersson1390 if you have the right gun 600 yards is easy. 800 is where it seems to get hard. With practice you can hit 600 every time.

@camonly849

6 ай бұрын

People can take long range shots, that doesn't make you less of a hunter etc. Idk why people wanna make that point. Like it's not real hunting or something.

It’s the replacement for the a-max essentially. Great for deer but I’m leaning towards interlock or partitions for elk inside 400yd.

Overkill is always better than no kill or worse wounding ( meat damage notwithstanding)...Shot placement is more important than caliber. However large capacity cases extend your effective range out to the distance that the cartridge is capable of providing the minimum foot pounds energy needed for penetration for a quick death. Congratulations on a fine harvest. P.S. In my opinion jacket separation is not good, but neither is a small wound channel that goes in small and out small...

@Ultimatereloader

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

@WesternReloader

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Strohmeyer, I recently subscribed to your channel, and have really enjoyed your videos. I have a question about your Browning BARs (25-06 & 300 Win Mag) if memory serves. Knowing you handload, do you know the maximum COAL the BAR in 300 win mag, with regards to the magazine, as well as the headspace, jump to lands? Can it be a 1 MOA rig? Thanks again R. Pierce

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

Жыл бұрын

@@WesternReloader Semi Autos are touchy about COL and are prone to case stretch even after once firing. Also shoulder set back is equally important for proper chambering. I usually go by the bullet makers recommended COL. Yes the BAR's can be MOA with the right loads.

@WesternReloader

Жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 thanks for the input sir

Gavin, I am very interested in your thoughts on the 300 prc. I own the 6.5 prc and dropped both deer i shot in their tracks. One at 275 yds. Is the Remington long range shooting a 1/2" group out of the box?

@wesleyturner1979

3 жыл бұрын

6.5prc will take all North American game out to any ethnical hunting ranges. No need to get anything else unless you’re chasing brown bears… or you need an excuse for your wife to let you get another gun!!!

Great video

Took a nice moose with 300 PRC 180 yards Hunter ELDX perfect bullet for the job stayed together moose only took three steps. Had the same experience with 6.5 Creedmoor Hunter ELDX

I’ve been shooting cheap steel case 124 gr. Hp 7.62x39 out of my cz carbine. I shot a doe at 400 yards and dropped her in her tracks. Fun little cartridge. I bought it for my girlfriend, but ended up deciding to use it myself. I love it.

Ya kno I use a little 308 for everything. Neck shots no meet is waisted. And I pretty confident at about 800. But for me it's about the stalk get as close as you can... now that's a rush !

Shot a deer 2 years ago with my 338 EDGE... yeah, that was the first and last deer I shot with it. It will continue to be my elk anchor though. My deer rifle currently is a 6.5 SAUM and it’s taken them all the way to 935 yards to date. Great medium game caliber.

@troy9477

3 жыл бұрын

338 EDGE? Must be a wildcat i haven't heard of. I am interested in the 338 Federal, even thought it seems to be waning. Especially if i end up moving to AK in the next year or 2. I would be handloading, so no issues. I am sure every shop up there has .338" bullets, since the 338 Win is popular for bear up there.

.270 w/150 gr Rem Core Lokt has anchored every buck I shot. Where I hunt, avg distance 340 yes. Ballistics says 900+ ft lbs at 300yds. Honestly, my Rem model 7600 w/22" 1 in 9" twist shoots straight and has dropped deer, black bear, antelope, elk and moose. The moose took 2 steps. I say whatever you use to humanely take your game is good. 1,000 yds shot placement with a humane kill seems problematic regardless of caliber. Nice buck dude! Good shot.

please revisit the 6MM ARC. Wanna know your full and final review on it. Don't see that you've revisited it yet after your early testing awhile back.

I’ve been interested in 300 PRC for awhile. I’ve been looking into some of the Christensen rifles.

@jbarjj2715

4 жыл бұрын

Look at seekins precision. Less $ and way better that Christiansen. Trust me, I invested years in trying to get my christensen to shoot. Christensen told me that will never be better than a 1 and 1/2 MOA gun. Well for me that won't work. My seekins shoots Factory ammo at. 7 moa

@kirkmartin2223

3 жыл бұрын

@@jbarjj2715 I agree! Seekins or bergara for sure. I've heard too many "hit or miss" stories about Christiansen. They are not bad guns but for almost 2k.......they better be perfect and I've heard that they aren't.

Mantle core separation isn't "this cartridge did really well" in my book, though. Besides that it's more the bullet than the cartridge, but that's a different story

@seanmetzger4780

4 жыл бұрын

While in general your right...this cartridge/bullet selection was never intended to drop game at 50yards...most magnum non bonded bullets will flat out grenade with such a shot through the ribs, let alone one through the shoulder...on the upside, a 212gr bullet that sheds its jacket is still likely a 150+ grain lead slug that’s opened up to an ungodly dimension...that bullet at 2-300yards would likely not separate. But I wouldn’t be overly stressed if it did.

@knutpohl339

4 жыл бұрын

@@seanmetzger4780 And that's why non-bonded bullets aren't good hunting bullets. For the record: no criticism from my side for the use in this situation, but I don't agree with the analysis. Makes it sound like the bullet would be a great choice when whipping together a hunting load

@seanmetzger4780

4 жыл бұрын

Knut Pohl I don’t follow the it must be bonded train of thought...if your talking from a magnum rifle then I’ll agree with you...but at standard short action rifle velocities, non bonded bullets have done the trick for a century.

For all the people complaining about the ELDX separation. The ELDX was not designed for sub 400 yard shots, it was designed for superior balistics beyond 400 yards. Me personally I save my expensive ELDX rounds for when I need to reach out beyond what my federal trophy rounds can do.

I killed 2 Muledeer in west Texas and have killed 5 Nilgai w my 300 PRC in the last 2 months. None of them have gone more than a couple of yards. I just tried to reload using Berger VLDH and had problems between touching the lands , went back to the Hornady ELDX w no seating problems. I’m not a very sophisticated reloader so the easier the better.

Hornady should give release some ammo at different power levels, like the 'Remington' in 300 UM treatment, offering 3 levels of power, say one level at .308, another at 300 H&H, and the last at full power...

Is the ELDX bullet a bonded core bullet ?

I think 300prc is more suited for elr target shooting in my opinon,competition shooting. The price and availability of this calibre is insane,i was going to purchase a 300prc rifle but theres not enough companies making 300prc ammo.

I just took a 10 point buck with a 6mm cm yesterday in southern Indiana.. really good size body. really good size for the area Im in. probably 4 years old maybe 3.. used a 95 berger vld hunter. I will be using the 90 tgk when I get some in. I have had great luck with them in the 165gn in 308 it drops them right where they stand. this one ran about 100 yards even tho it had a massive 4 in hole in himright behind the heart. lungs got blown out on the ground it was def the weirdest thing ive seen in many years of hunting whitetail..

Btw you talked me into the Bergara B-14 wilderness hmr 6.5prc.

@Ultimatereloader

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to help in any way I can! :)

I love shooting long distance on mule deer. Finding an advantage spot and glassing for big bucks. I took a 5x4 at 738 yards. He fell on the side of the mountain and I thought I had missed because it look like he was still standing, so I shot again. Finally I saw his ear drop and he was dead. It took me about 3 hours to get down the mountain I was on and get thru the thicket where he was. The bullet holes were about an inch apart, so I had hit him both shots. I was not shooting a 300 PRC but a 300 Weatherby Magnum. I think around 2800 to 2850 is a magic number for Velocities and accuracy for the 30 cals. Anyway, yep... great wide open range rifle for those long distance heart shots :)

I don't own a 300PRC, but I do have a 7LRM which is the same case in 7mm. Both are a 375 Ruger basic necked down to 30cal and 7mm. The main thing to consider is the slowest velocity the bullet you're using is designed to "reliably" perform at to get an idea of your max effective range. Most bullets are designed to reliably expand down to 1,800 - 2,000fps. Since you can shoot the same bullet in a 308 provided it's throated for it and the twist rate is correct, you will hit that velocity at different distances. Shooting a deer at 100yds with that bullet thru a 308win is on par with shooting a deer with that same bullet at 400yds with a 300prc. (that's an example. I haven't put data in app yet to compare exactly, but you get the idea). So, NO. A 300PRC is not overkill for a deer because range is still a variable. If a deer gets hit "in the vitals" with a 210gr ELD-X traveling at 2,300fps, it has no idea if it was shot by a 308win from 100yds or a 300PRC from 400yds, but results will be the same.

@csjrogerson2377

4 жыл бұрын

Jared, your answer is v confusing. You make valid argument and then you contradict yourself and then loose the point. The question "Is a 300 PRC an over kill" relates meat damage and although the deer is dead from whatever shot it, it makes a difference to what you eat. No need for a cannon at close range when the cannon is best suited for much larger game at much longer ranges. Yes range is a variable but its important when using the appropriate weapon. There's a reason ppl use bush rifles or plains rifles for similar sized animals at different ranges.

@frozensloth168

4 жыл бұрын

@@csjrogerson2377 No Contradiction here. The point I was making was the question: "Is the 300PRC overkill for deer" isn't enough information for a yes or no answer. The damage to meat from that Hornady bullet in question fired from a 308win at 100yds is going to do the same amount of damage as that same exact bullet fired from a 300PRC from 400-500yds. That's because they will both be hitting at the exact same impact velocity. The question did not state the range at which the rifle was fired or where the animal was hit. If everyone agrees a 308win fired from 100yds isn't overkill, then a 300PRC fired from 400-500yds isn't either. They will be impacting with the same velocity and energy. It's not any more devastating at longer range than a 308 at a closer range just because it came from a bigger case. No Black Magic or Sorcery here... That was my point. A Hornady 210 ELD-X impacting at 2,300fps is still a Hornady 210 ELD-X impacting at 2,300fps whether it's fired from a 308win at 100yds, or from a 300PRC from 400-500yds. 2,300fps is well within the velocity range for that bullet to reliability perform and expand on game. But one cannot give a "Blanket Yes or No" answer to that question w/o knowing how far the shot is and where the animal is being hit. Plus every animal is different and no two shots are ever the same. All we can do is generalize. I hope that helps.

@csjrogerson2377

4 жыл бұрын

I know what you are trying to say, but the comparison to a 300 PRC at 500 v a 308 at 100 is not really relevant, but it does infer that a 300 PRC at less that 500yds, eg 200 yds, is gonna give the deer a real good kicking and ruin the meat. You might aswel say that a 338 lapua is not too much gun for a squirrel - if you fire it from 4000yds. So why don't we stick to the generality of normal ethical hunting ranges v the appropriate calibre. In which case you can be over-gunned with any big hitter v smaller game. My friend in South Africa, where I have also hunted, hand loads his 270 coz factory loads turn antelope into jelly at the ranges we shoot them. So he uses 150gr Nosler's with a reduced load to keep mv to less than 2500fps. I use a Tikka 30-06, 180 gr SP (to keep mv down) and I think my Tikka is a bit too much for smaller antelope at normal ranges. Much better for Kudu and Nyala. Good shot placement is assumed in all cases.

My current favorite is a Seekins Precision Havak Bravo in 6.5 PRC. Don’t know if I would move up to a 300 PRC. The old .308 was my favorite for many years, before moving to a 6.5 Creedmoor.

@icefishmaine6552

Жыл бұрын

I shot my deer with this year a 6.5 creedmoor. perfect heart shot, no meat damage. two years ago used my 7mm mag, which was way too much power for a deer gun imo. 6.5 creedmoor is the way

28 Nosler with Berger 195s and a 300 PRC shooting the cutting edge 230 grain bullets. Both drop the hammer for sure, I’d take either one with me any day

I bought a Christensen Arms Ridgeline in 300PRC. I wanted to shoot it for fun at distance and hunt with it. It doesn’t shoot super accurate yet, but maybe when I start reloading it will. I sent the gun in to be checked out and I’m waiting the results. But it will shoot minute of deer. So I plan on using it for hunting. Good gun, but I had problems with getting 3 shots in MOA consistently.

just sent the action to my gunsmith to have a 300PRC build, Bighorn Origin LA, 26" heavy varmint barrel 1:8 twist, looking at deers within 600 yds.

PERFECT !!! TO MUCH IS DEFINITELY BETTER THEN NOT ENOUGH !!!

Would it be touch for say east tx deer how much did your deer weigh in at

As long as the impact velocity is under 2800fps you will be fine. That said, the Eldx is a crappy hunting bullet. Like you saw, the jacket separates from the core. Deer are easy to kill, so the bullet doesn't matter that much. For larger game use a bonded or monolithic bullet.

@rrr3r2

4 жыл бұрын

ApexKnives nah. I shot an elk with 212 eldx at 50 yards. Muzzle velocity was 3100. It did awesome out of my 300 rum

@spencersecord3073

4 жыл бұрын

I like nosler accubonds, I’m shooting 180gr accubonds out of my 300win at 3180fps at the muzzle. Took a bull elk at 50 yards and it was a clean pass through, no mess. Elk went 20 yards. At that impact velocity I’m very happy that it did it’s job properly. Heart and lung broadside shot. Also took a big whitetail at 150 yards and again perfect performance.

@luchacefox259

4 жыл бұрын

Tons of boodshot meat anytime your using a super frangible cup and core bullet. They always go to pieces at those kind of velocities and blow up everything. Like you say crappy hunting bullets. I have been hunting the last couple years with a .220 Swift loaded with 45 grain Solid Copper GS HV bullets (deer and pigs) well over 4200. Little holes and tons of damage right where you want it and not everywhere else. Of course you could go the other way and use big bullets at low to medium velocities and achieve the same thing. Good luck in the field my friend.

What make and model is this

Shot a deer with a .300 Weatherby at very close range a few years ago...being that close was an accident as we were bear hunting at the time and out walks a buck. The trouble with this story is I cant remember what cartridge I was using. But the round went completely thru the deer doing very little damage. I had to put three rounds in the deer before he went down...all decent quartering away shots. All with the same effect. What I and the guys with me decided is, yes its possible to over gun a deer. The best I can remember is I was using Remington ammo. What I can tell you is I switched to Nosler partitions and have never had that problem again. But I was extremely surprised the rounds did not open up and attribute it to the round going too fast for the range.

How much destruction did the bullet do to the meat? I hunt all from roe deer to moose from 0 to 100 meters here in Norway with the Lapua Mega bullet in. 308w and i'm very happy with this bullet.

@davidkappelmd2537

2 жыл бұрын

I am curious as to how much hydrostatic shock damage was impacted into the meat too.

Was watching a long range hunting show where the host was outfitted with a 300ish caliber/telescope/bipod etc. and the guy ended up shooting the bear 40yds behind camp in the Northwest Territories. Stuff happens. Happy huntin.

.30-06 180 sierra spbt at 2875 GRENADES up close, expands pretty well out to 400 (as far as I can attest) and I ALREADY OWN IT ;) Love the innovations taking place, but can't justify the costs to abandon the old girl.

Interesting story. Glad tou mentioned the ethics of long range shooting. Conventional wusdom is that most people have no business taking a shot beyond 300 yards (and some people at half that distance or less). With today's high quality optics and the variety of flatter trajectory cartridges out there, my gut says we can maybe extend that to 400 if the hunter is a good shot. Maybe even to 500 if he or she really knows their trajectory, it is a level shot, and the cartridge has enough power at that distance. But i think that would be the far upper limit. We all know most people do not estimate distance with great accuracy, which compunds the problem. Rangefinders help of course, but just because you can see it does not mean you should shoot at it. Frankly, i think a lot of stories about people's long range kills are like fish stories- they get exaggerated. You can probably knock off about 1/3 or more of claimed distances over 400 yards (i.e. a claimed 500 yard shot is more like a bit over 300, a 600 yard claim is 400, etc). Unless they bring a witness who read their range finder at the time, i'm not buying it. I know i would never shoot at an animal 600 yards away, barring some urgent situation like a wounded animal that needs to be finished off. It would not be an animal i had wounded, certainly (i hope). As Dirty Harry said, a man's got to know his limitations. Anyway, good video.

@LoveEncoded8

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, 90% of hunters have no business past 2-400yds…With a 6.5 CM you can easily hit a 10” plate at 4-500 yards 10/10 with even up to 10 mph wind variations. Same conditions for the 300 PRC and probably 6-700 yards is obtainable. This is with proven practice but as most know and as stated, animals do what they want. Targets dont. Not much excitement in a steel plate that you find grazing during the first week of season. Ill recall a statement i heard asking a fellow hunter about needing any ammo while i was picking some up. “No, i only shoot about 1-2 bullets a year.” If you cant practice for peak performance, a wounded animal vs ethical take down should weigh on your conscience. Take an animals life, not livelihood. But a 300 PRC with 250 gr ELD can carry 1000 ft/lbs out to 1500yds and hold 1 MOA in peak conditions from proper equipment, so a well trained and proven professional would hit that max ethical wall. Me, like most, 300-400 no wind. **All IMHO**

Nice, i would love to have a place like you have, thats my dream.

@Ultimatereloader

4 жыл бұрын

David- I hope you can. I had to make a lot of sacrifices to make it pan out, but I'm sooooooo glad I did :)

I have always been a long time supporter of bigger is better yet decided to try deer hunting with my daughters Christiansen arms mesa in 6.5 creed. It’s an awesome gun shoots great feels great and light to pack around. I have it set up with a small leupold that runs out of dial at 650 yards and have 143 grain eldx hand loads, not bad for a kids first gun right! Anyways I found a nice Buck chasing does at 605 yards, practice this far all the time no problem right? Wrong I made the mistake of taking a shoulder shot like I would have with my 300 prc and the Buck ran off into brush where I couldn’t get a second shot. I reviewed footage and it was perfect placement. So I took my time getting around the canyon and found blood easily in the foot of snow. Followed the trail up and over the ridge top about 450 yards uphill to find a bed that was empty!!! I pulled out and returned next morning to end the blood trail over a mile further before it stopped bleeding. I found several bloody beds in the timber and never recovered the deer! That’s a first for me so is 300 prc overkill absolutely not! Hunt with a caliber you can handle the recoil on and lose less animals.

for anyone wondering, it's a PLEASURE to shoot I have a 12 lb rifle, a big recoil pad and the apollo max compensator I swear it's the same as my 308 that I shot out of a light rifle with no muzzle brake, shoot, my 308 used to have crazy barrel rise