both the fuel and the air need to be heated together to produce a homogenous mixture and prevent the fuel from separating from the the mix. Heat inherently escapes to any colder medium in an attempt to balance the over all temperature, and any expansion by itself cools it surroundings, so mixing hot fuel and cold air is self defeating. The other issue becomes the fact that some of the gasoline molecule chains are so long they don't vaporize till 440 degrees, and they tend to produce the varnish you see left over when gas evaporates, this varnish also collects and insulates, reducing the efficiency of the the heat exchange over time

@user-ox6nc6ly7f

17 күн бұрын

easier thar that, heat injectors hoses with exhoust gases. did it on a diesel engine. gasoline need less energy. some engines have an aluminium common rail, can't be easier. the ecu will do every adjustments for you.

Good video. The simplest, least intrusive, and most cost-effective way to get heat for gasoline vaporization from your engine is to wrap the upper half of your front cataylitic converter and terminate that wrap in a tube of the required circumference. Then, run a hose from that tube into the air intake of the vaporizer. That will provide more than enough heat for your gasoline vaporizer to work with.

@ivengideonv6428

Жыл бұрын

I bought a 12 volt coffee heater and put it in a jar of gasoline, got it to boiling but it didn't catch on fire

The ammo box & glass jar look cool!!

Technically I think that you could use vapor / propane / HHO or spray fuel. Ultimately they aren't that different and you just have to observe the mix which is mostly dealt with by the carb. The original Pogue Vapor Carb was using the heat of the exhaust to increase fuel temperature after introduced via injector into the vapor carb. The design is still out there online if you look. Not sure if they hit any defects along the way but it was designed in the 50s or 60s and he claimed more than 100 MPG on a car that was in essence the size of a battleship. I cant say what the truth of it is but I am very curious, especially now that the elite of the world are trying to make us broke via fuel prices.

The Oil Companies put additives in the gasoline. If you run a cold bubbler system , the engine will run for 20 minutes or so, then it will stall. This is because the Gasoline goes flat, and no longer produces vapor. The Gasoline that is left is called the "Heavy Ends", and is full of Olefin's and Paraffin's, and will leave a greasy residue, that will clog your components, and wont produce vapor.

@user-ox6nc6ly7f

17 күн бұрын

not additives, different size molecule. small ones for easy cold start, larger ones for power.

Hi Thanks for your response. The tank we used was originally a milking machine vacuum tank. At the time we had no idea vacuum was the function of the device. We used a bubbler system. Actually after 3 years and the break up of our team. I never thought to test to see if the increasing viscosity would work as a natural valve that would give appropriate resistance on its own. I was pondering the magnificence of the universe one night and thought of it lol ( about 10 years later) You see because you are refining the gasoline into layers the final heavy ends resemble diesel more than gasoline. If you take the unit apart or take some of the gas out of the tank as a sample, you will find it is a little oily feeling like gasoline that has sat in an open container for a few days Gasoline evaporates at room temperature then stops because the boiling point of gasoline is 100 to 400 F. Keep in mind it is the by product of refining and as such it is the light ends of the heavy ends of the fluid that was refined at a lower temperature. It is also the light end of the refining process of the fuel that is next in the refinery process ( diesel). The light ends of gasoline are like the heavy part of a vocation fuel and the heavy ends are like the light ends of diesel. Then there are many " layers "to the gasoline itself. These layers are the problem for as you progress through them they need a different environment to evaporate in ( more heat more vacuum for instance The final tank was made from a 12x12 steel column ( hollow not I beam ) a tube. It was 3/8 of an inch thick and we put a false bottom. We used a 3/8 plate for the top and had a gasket surface ( big mistake it leaked ) with a clear plexiglass port in the top. We used a pool valve for the intake and the throttle body on the engine for the speed control We used grey plastic plumbing fixtures and a clear vinyl pool hose as the delivery with spline fittings at both endsTom ogle used the original tank and steel plumbing lines up the frame. This way is a problem as it takes a while to get the vacuum to form as there is so much tank to draw the air out of Engine mount is best. Trust me on this one You can hear your garage with the exhaust but the carbon dioxide will displace the nitrogen in air and though the exhaust is not toxic like carbon monoxide it is still something to be wary of. We breathed it for 2 years with no health problems I never tested the vacuum strength but if you placed your hand over the intake and re ex the engine with your hand as a control it would bruise your palm We calculated for the tank 12 inch cubed a 3/8 hole was perfect Hope this helps I don't know how to send pictures but would if I could Leslie

@leslieclendening2947

8 жыл бұрын

It is supposed to say aviation fuel not vocation fuel and heat your garage not hear your garage. Stupid spellcheck

@BillyBob-uc9zp

2 жыл бұрын

@@leslieclendening2947 Hi Leslie. Hope this finds you fine and well. Great info you have kindly donated. Thank you. Joe of The Joe Cell fame, claimed his brother or uncle was running an old car with advance retard on the steering column that he had piped up, with a certain stainless steel from the exhaust ports, directing back into the inlet ports, and says it didn't require fuel, and that they used the car for months, possibly years that way. I've pondered that for years. Any thoughts on that please?. So another thing i was thinking was using white gas rather than gasoline in the system you worked on as it would work on a set level, rather than light, medium, heavy parts. Any thoughts on these two matters I've mentioned please Leslie. Hope you a lovely day.

1979 651 mpg 0n 1100 cc Volkswagen notch back sedan Ontario Canada. It is actually vacuum assisted combustion not vapor. The reason it runs for a short while is because the engine needs increased vacuum to lower the boiling point of the gasoline to evaporate or change to molecular structure to ignite In a standard mode the engine gets raw gas fed into the cylinders and ignition burns the gasoline and the resulting expansion pushes the piston down. In vacuum assisted combustion a very small amount of gasoline(molecules) and air explodes upon ignition driving the piston down. Illustration: burning wood causes heat but shaving the wood into sawdust and igniting releases more energy than burning. Like the wood the burn is easier to control( acceleration ) and the explosion hard to control(lack of acceleration) especially after the first 12 miles or so See Tom Ogle Vapor fuel system excellent attempt to achieve 100 mpg ( El Paso to Demming and Back) Tom Ogle died never understanding the principle by which his system operated. Believe this there is no conspiracy by the oil companies to keep these inventions off the market they simply do not perform properly under normal driving conditions. You don't actually need heat at all although I have used heat in the past Ive also started in -40 and ran an engine to empty with no heat at all but you do require a partial near total vacuum. A 4 cylinder 1100 cc engine breathing through a 3/8 hole creates this condition. A plastic gas container could never handle the vacuum. It needs to be steel construction. The idea of choking an engine to achieve more efficient combustion seems counter intuitive but pay attention to the results not your intuition. This system is not a normal system. Throw out what you think you know Raw gas is needed to cool the intake valves or you get pinging and scorched valves. A small amount of water can cure this but water is not a great choice for colder climates. This system runs stationary engines the best and would and could be modified to power an electrical hybrid like the Chevy Volt. The engine would run at a constant speed and create electricity to power the motors at each wheel lesliec77@icloud.com Leslie

@WS-gw5ms

8 жыл бұрын

bullshit

@leslieclendening2947

8 жыл бұрын

The idea that 100 mpg is the target is indicative of not living up to the potential of the device because of the nature of the type of expansion of the fuel the idea of 100 mpg is a miscalculation of the results of burning the light ends of the fuel We didn't have you tube so we made perfect detailed notes on our experiments and had them signed and witnessed by interested people dignitaries and politicians Lots of people did not believe it even though they saw it first hand. My father ( a mechanic all his life) said it would never work and wouldn't acknowledge our success even though he witnessed our tests first hand So join the club I left my contact info so if you would like to debate the invitation is open Last thing in the 70s Shell oil ran an Opel on a test track for 376 mpg Don't know what engine they used. The original big 3 auto makers all have patents on similar devices They have all tried to solve the puzzle but got no closer than I did I.worked full time for 3 years not part time like you tubers Thanks for you comment have a nice day Leslie I worked as a patent broker in the 80s and learned a lot about the different patents on the similar devices

@James-dn5gn

8 жыл бұрын

Look at the Pogue patent from about 1920. Keep a constant temp of the fuel TANK and a constant fuel level. The variable amount of fuel is the hard part. Maybe use an extra heated area with a injector to spray the fuel on to turn it into vapor. There are at least a few hundred patents that I could find for gas vaporizers, I'm sure many took the variable supply into account. Also, the fuel has been changed so it no longer vaporizes like it used to do. I have been told it is a mix of very easily vaporizing and very hard gas, but the normal middle has been removed. That is what one petrolium engineer said. They also said their was much more power in the gasoline from the 1920s. see the Who Killed the Electric Car for another example of someone who made a vaporizer from a old propane tank. He was found dead a short time later. So if you make it , promote it without your name. Or get a bodyguard.

@carsrcool7149

7 жыл бұрын

thanks for posting ..Cheers

@leslieclendening2947

7 жыл бұрын

There was a time when people did not have degrees at all but were just intuitive. I dont think Im the smartest guy in the room I leave that for Wile E Coyote. I dont know some guy who knew some guy whos sister was friends with the guy IM THE GUY. I post on the subject because I have first hand knowledge. Yes it burns intake valves Ive said this before and yes water injection cools the valves Now YOU are speculating on something you know nothing about(Im used to it)

Bubblers as you have seen on videos do nothing more than use the fluids own viscosity as a intake valve that provides resistance to create a vacuum.It does this byu making the air enter the device through a resistant fluid. That resistance creates a vacuum The biggest problem with this technology is the ingrained information we have about combustion in the first place. The idea that bubbling air through fuel somehow breaks down the fluid even further is incorrect but because we have limited success we then modify the bubbler with smaller holes. We do calculations to estimate how many holes are required so as not to restrict the engine. Actually restriction is what is making the engine run at all its just that its counter intuitive to what we are taught. The other much tried answer is heat and this is definitely not the answer even though it seems to work somewhat . It is also not dangerous running it properly on vacuum as you cannot ignite something where there is no air.(or little air) When we had our final set up completed in the lab we intentionally tried without any success to blow up the lab we tried back firing the engine into the tank countless times( and on many occasions). All it ever did was light up our clear reinforced vinyl pool hose (in the way a flouerescent light lights up) If relying on heat and low vacuum you have the potential for a bomb when backfires occur. I know from experience( don't we all lol) My goal was to run the system without heat. No pre warmer no wasted rad heat no exhaust heat no electrical heat. I was doing things that were counter intuitive to what I was hearing from others but based on my own observations and not my preconceived ideas. Heat seems obvious but it isn't. When you spoke in the video about the gas "getting too cold" that is the vacuum at work. Mr Ogle( and everyone else for that matter myself among that broad sweeping statement) saw the solution..... HEAT. Makes perfect sense right? Wrong. Lower the boiling point further make the gasoline dissipate using the engines own vacuum. The biggest failures we had once we realized what the system was doing were leaks in the apparatus thereby killing the vacuum. most of the leaks were caused by making the device with multiple access points to be able to disassemble it for study. Or to use inferior materials that provided visual observation of the phenomena. Its hard to detect a leak in a vacuum but rest assured if it doesnt start it is a leak in the system(somewhere)) We had made our tank so that the top was removable so that modifications could be made easily. This (we found ) made the tank susceptible to vacuum leaks. When the car would not start(much less run) we would blame it on everything we could think off (gas not being warm enough . holes in bubbler not big or numerous enough, premium versus regular gas does all this sound vaguely familiar) It is one thing and one thing only. Vacuum leak.After everyone called it quits for the night I would sit and contemplate the device for hours. I finally decided to do this and only this. SEAL EVERY JOINT ON THE SYSTEM. I used caulking, duct tape, plumbers dope. Finally the system that would not start earlier in the day no matter what ever else we tried, started easily and ran well. The only thing I had done differently was made sure it was completely sealed I took an old piece of equipment ( an 1 1/2 inch elbow) replaced the elbow on the unit with it MADE SURE IT WAS SEALED PROPERLY and drilled a 1/4 inch hole in the radius of the elbow. The unit would not start. I sealed the hole with my index finger it started and ran well. I tried this over and over. Same result each time. I tried (while the engine was running ) to introduce even the slightest amount of air through that small hole and every time(EVERY TIME) the engine stalled. I took apart the system that heated the tank ( exhaust heat) I performed all the experiments on the device without heat. Proper seal engine starts and runs. Improper seal engine dies or refuses to start. I tried this experiment in extreme weather conditions. Leaking system engine wont start or if it starts runs poorly or stops running soon after the test began. Properly sealed the engine starts without problems runs well and longer. Is heat the answer? Is vacuum without leaks the answer? Goes against everything you know........ Doesn't it? Most people involved in this project left even after it was proved to them time and time again. Problem is it flies in the face of what you were taught and believe. The device doesn't perform this way at all when you introduce "fresh " gasoline. It can leak for the most part and have good horsepower but eventually it has to have vacuum without leaks or it falters. Why? Well it is simple . The need for vacuum or the strength of vacuum goes up when the most volatile part of the fuel( the light ends) gets used up first. This volatile part has the most available reactivity but the least potential energy. Slowly over time the gasoline degrades you get into the" heavier ends" of the refinement process these have the least amount of reactivity but the most potential energy. These heavier ends require a more substantial vacuum than the lighter ends. The light ends only provide you with about 100 mpg but tremendous horsepower and reactivity The heavy ends about 900 mpg and very low reactivity. When you get the car running on this portion of the fuel you cant accelerate or even deviate from the speed at all, up or down. If you are testing this system you will get my results if you set the engines speed and maintain that equilibrium throughout the test. Easy. Well on a test track its easy (Shell Oil ,GM, Ford) or a long straight drive( at a steady 55mph) to Demming and back. Keep in mind he didnt make the last 5 miles even though he had gasoline left in his tank.Why? He tried to slow down as he approached El Paso and had nothing but the heavy ends of the fuel left....... I ran one test with the only goal of burning one quart of gasoline top to bottom without stopping or stalling. Fuel injectors at idle 16 minutes, device at 3400 RPM? 332 minutes. Great acceleration at the start cant deviate from the set RPM after 4 minutes. Why? I opened up the container when the fluid level was at zero and checked the container, no fuel was evident. I resealed the empty container and started the device and ran it 19 more minutes WITHOUT ANY VISIBLE FUEL AT ALL. It goes against everything you know or were taught. See what I mean? Any questions or discussions. 780 700 7507 lesliec77@icloud.com

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your info! And I don't have an issue with disbelieving everything I was taught, for I know they were lies. I completely understand about having to have the system completely sealed, but are you saying that there's no introduction of air after those 2-4 mins then at say 3400rpm and still running? What does the vacuum reach? And what kind of container and I'm guessing stainless steal lines needed to handle it?

@leslieclendening2947

7 жыл бұрын

Well thats the way it is . I tried this over and over. The boiling point of gasoline is 100-400 degrees. That being the case if you boil off the gasoline at 200 degrees you are left with gasoline that will neither boil or evaporate(wont run in an engine either) Why? What is left over? gas will evaporate at room temperature but not completely Why? Why is it you cannot run an engine on "stale " gasoline? I mean if the only change in the gasoline is the volume the car should run. Problem is the chemical make up of the fuel has changed. Think about it. I used to believe in all of the opposing arguments but after experimenting with this technology for 3 full years I am now more qualified to form an opinion. If you had told me what I am proposing was even reasonable before I discovered I would have doubted it too. I could give you all the data and what I have come up with is the only rational that comes up with answers to all of the situations I used to lecture on the subject and if you heard the lecture the conclusions are really quite obvious but not what you would think. You almost have to suspend belief in what you have been taught I know I did. Now you and your friends can stop bothering me unless you would really like to learn about this technology. I answer 40-50 emails a day on the subject most are positive and I dont mind answering the doubters but I understand their reservations I just dont have a lot of time I only post to try to save some other inventors money and time trying things that I have already tried. Im not sure why you bother to post

@leslieclendening2947

7 жыл бұрын

Well I would agree with you but we'd both be wrong

@leslieclendening2947

7 жыл бұрын

Have a good day

@eliinthewolverinestate6729

6 жыл бұрын

Run the heavy end as its own idle mixture. You will need a second bottom to suck out heavy end that is still under bottom. The light end can be used as acceleration mixture. But you run out of light end and left with a lawnmower that is running but at idle.

I tested it on a 23 hp SCAG v- ride and I went from filling up every day at least once to about 4-6 gallons a week and I used half inch hose with a catch bottle! I haven’t got around to perfecting it yet. But it did great 60 F and wormer!

Amazing stuff Jay...Keep it up...

My idea was jut to use a pipe T joint with a pipe going into a fuel tank. In the pipe to the T Joint is a piece of carbon felt wick. This wicks fuel up to the pipe T joint where air flows around or though the wick to make a fuel air mix. You can even use a small canister with a gas line and a return with a slow flow fuel pump of 30ml a minute. As long as most of the fuel returns to the tank and the wick is soaked in fuel. and you can have a fixed fuel level for the canister for the wick system. A spark arrestor and air filter are used on the top of the pipe T for the intake a small air filter and the output runs through a spark arrestor.

yes finally someone else finally mentions it on youtube. you do the vapour and water vapour but you heat the gasoline and it keeps going.

True gasoline does cool down, in those devises. maybe using the fuel injection rail in a ammo box spraying in the box and any fuel not sucked in goes back to fuel tank.

I ran a moped off vapors probably 15 years ago and yeah. Gas gets freezing after a bit. But with a car why not get longer heater core tubes and wrap the can with it? Godspeed.

no matter which fuel you are using, efficiency relate to compression ratio. reise it as much as you can combined to direct injection and turbo and anything you want. if temperature is too high start injecting water. at some extend, you even dont need to cool your engine. it's a loss of energy. one fuel cycle followed with a water cycle, yep one injector for fuel and one for water injection. if temperature reise too much add water cycle, if it is too low add fuel cycle.

I like what ur saying ...and would love more information on multi fule. Carb or modify

if I bubbled the vapours though water, as a flashback arrestor, would they still combust?

Hey was wondering if you ever tried using a ultrasonic vaporizer without heating the gas, also if you haven't already u should look into the GEET it is similar to what you are trying to do using the exhaust to heat the fuel

@marcustrue1213

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that is why I have been saying for ever and you’re absolutely right because with an ultrasonic vaporizer it’s just breaking the hydrocarbon chains using the right sound frequency therefore all of the gasoline is vaporized and not just the lighter parts of the fuel and then you don’t need a vacuum in order to bubble Lagasse therefore you’re only collecting it so there would be no change in fuel temperature not to mention it would break up the detergents and other additives as well long story wrong and ultrasonic vaporizer and stick a fork in it you don’t need heat or vacuum or any of this other nonsensical crap that works temporarily i’m going to put Mr. I am a scientist’s theory to the test that if the container is perfectly sealed it’ll work completely fine and gasoline doesn’t cool in a vacuum it’s like why the hell do you think outer space is cold it’s because it’s a vacuum a little off topic but if you have any common sense you won’t ignore thermodynamics

Pulling air through gasoline causes it to vaporize faster but you also create an evaporative cooler. As the gas evaporates it extracts heat So the container holding the gas gets cold. I guess if it was hot out you could use a fan on a metal container and blow the cool air into the cabin or you would have to come up with some way too warm the container or extract the cold. I don’t really believe in the bubbling system because in my opinion it’s just creating a crude carburetor bubbling air through gasoline sure you’ll get more vapor and better fuel economy but you won’t get the very high mileage economy until you have nothing but real vapor like you see coming out of the spout when you fill up your tank. I would agree that if you could maintain a vacuum over a large surface area of fuel you can get increased evaporation but you can also achieve that with a large surface area of heated gasoline. The engine when you get it running on vapor will produce less heat but still I would think utilizing as much heat as possible off the engine would be the way to go. You cannot draw vapor through a long tube that is exposed to ambient outside temperatures because it will cool the vapor and condense some of it back to liquid or at minimum larger droplet size The idea of pure vapor means you have taken a liquid and converted it to a vapor which greatly expands the volume of fuel. If you have a regular carburetor engine and put a air fuel ratio gauge on the exhaust then stick a heat gun down the carburetor you will notice the air fuel ratio go rich. Mine went from the 14.7 to about 9.5 just from the hot air helping to vaporize the fuel better. I believe the key to making a functioning vapor engine is surface area. enough surface area available to evaporate enough fuel to run your engine at highway speeds and I believe heat would be required Or a heat and vacuum combination. And also necessary is the air that mixes with the vaporize fuel needs to be hot which not only keeps the vapors from condensing but also contributes to further vaporization. You should not have any cold areas where the fuel and air travel through. the air and the fuel must remain hot or at least at a temperature where a vapor is maintained all the way into the engine. Some ideas are extract heat from the exhaust extract heat from the oil extract exhaust gases to be used for intake in the gas vapor chamber. Pulling a vacuum on a container of gas still would need an inlet so that the vapors Can exit the container this air inlet doesn’t need to be very big but should have air that is warm enough so not to condense any of the outgoing vapors. I believe non-combustible gases exhaust gases could be used. Also because of your greatly reduced engine temperature you may be able to use your cooling system pathways in the engine block to simply draw air through. You could test air drawn through the water jackets to see if you are sufficiently cooling the engine if you are then there could be another source of heat. Don’t forget yorur backfire arrestors. If you want to avoid the hassles of throttle response and air fuel ratio variables use an electric vehicle and convert the engine to fuel vapor then run off the electrical power that way you can maintain a constant speed and fuel vapor ratio on the engine

Been running a vapor carburetor on my boat. Have had trouble with moisture building up in vapor cell. Found that a mix of alcohol keeps it running better and keeps gas from going stale. It uses way less gas now. Think it burns so much cleaner too.

@jarochodamanmilo

2 жыл бұрын

interesthings, what kind of alcohol did you added, and how much ml per liter of gasoline ? thank you

@jarochodamanmilo

2 жыл бұрын

seen some use white gasoline instead.

I might have a cxouple of suggestions that will improve your setup. My brother and his friend made a headgasket with four sets of platinum points equally mounted around the cylinder. It was layered in between the gasket material like a circuit board. So instead of firing from the spark plug it fired from each set of points. The platinum points had no place to hold any carbon build up so would not foul out like a spark plug. and firing the gas mixture with four sets of spark burned the fuel vapor quicker and more completely.(old airplanes had two sparkplugs per cylinder) Giving an increase of power with less fuel consumtion and less emissions. My idea to add to this is to reduce fuel droplet size thus increasing surface area of the fuel by using an ultrasonic mister which instantly vaporizes a drop of liquid to a finer mist than a carburator is capable of. This should also increase power while decreasing consumption andEmmisions. The reason you do not see this gasket method of spark on the market now is a sparkplug company bought their patent. Their was a drawback to the design they had not worked out at the time and that was that the gasket was thicker and you had to torque it down just right or it would blow the gasket. But this was 40 years ago and we have much better materials to work with now. I really hope you read this or anyone else . It could be an easy add on for cars well worth the cost for the increased economy and decrease of emmisions. Hopefully give a little more time for the transition to the totally electric cars that are coming. Jake The Snake Was interested in the gasket for his race cars as it would have been a huge advantage. So if you need an investor you might want to try him. It also goes to show how money trumps humanityand that big corporations (Firestone) are more concerned with the bottom line than reducing polution to save mankind. We really need to institute a crimes against humanity law for people like that and Big Pharma who suppress or overprice discoveries that benefit life.. Please send a comment should you read this. I like to think I am at least trying yo help.

@InJayzBrain

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting idea, and I have been looking into ultrasonic things, as everything runs on a frequency and breaks under another.

Will it work in a "Flex Fuel" system?

im working on a spray system that takes care of the vaporization and usieng some exhause heat to fully vaporize it. extra spray goes back into a T valve just b4 a fual pump, so u don't cycle all the gas

@InJayzBrain

7 жыл бұрын

Nice, I'd love to see some pictures on that. Are you video documenting the build?

@bighowardshsn

7 жыл бұрын

sadly im not but I can explain, the spray thing is as simple as a misting system which uses a pump, orifice,hoses ofc, making it out of pipe and emt conduit imagine something like a + were 1 side goes to engine 1 side fresh air top is spray in-let , bottom have a line running back to the pump using a T fitting. so u don't cycle all ur gas tank. because might end up making the gas in tank go stale, which u may notice happends when u try doing regular vapor methodes u see online. after that part just need a valve for fresh air to make ur air/fual ratio. after that run it on exhaust headers to heat/vaporize the mix then u have butter fly valve for throttle, and iv done it to a 14hp onan welder/generator and it works fine. runs so clean u can't smell the exhaust at all, just as if hot air is coming out

@InJayzBrain

7 жыл бұрын

That sounds sweet, I've made a fuel heater out of an ammo box and 5/8 copper tubing initially to run my coolant through while this cycles gas to the vaporizer tank. Since my son blew up the van I haven't done anything with it. After I get a couple project cars done I'll be fitting that to a lawnmower and turning that into a generator with the fuel heater piped into the exhaust and see what that does.

@jaredstieg4238

7 жыл бұрын

InJayzBraiN it's best not to use heat, all you need to do is remove some of the atmosphere.

Theres a additive called HEET Gas-Line Antifreeze & Water Remover. Add some to the bubbler and the Vapors should last longer.

Add a hollow metal ball between carb and intake manifold atomizes and vaporizes gas doubles gas mileage and cleans up emissions this is how Poque did it

Run additional fume rails to the intake plenum ports.Then use additional coolant lines to the EXHAUST ports.try it

small heater coil and a lawnmower carb w a working float, JB wield the carb on top of the coil, run hose from cars stock heater coil's return to the intake of the coil ur using and hose back to the intake on the radiator run fuel line to the carb an place in your vapor container, the carb will keep a constant lvl of gas in the container and the coil will keep the gas above 200 degrees

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

That's a great idea! Thanks Jay, this would also work great with a lawnmower power unit running the exhaust through the heater coil. Extra bonus muffler to

Sorry for my english,first of all.Today i tryied the fuel vapor in my tercel 98,and i am realy disappointed. I take 2 hoses from the exist cover and getting hot air in the butler. The 2 hoses got warm (no ideea how hot was it but it feels warm pretty good) and after I cranked for 7-8 times she finally got the feeling the she is willing to start.2 more cranks and she was idling. I let her worm up to the 80 degree Celsius. Than I said I can drive it. I was using a (roughly 4L)canister with I fill only 1 of gasoline. the end of the pipe inside it is made from pipe copper with an end of 40mm (1 1/2 ")in a L shape with lots of holes in it.So I jumped in the car hopping for the best.She start nice on the 1st gear but she struggle for the 2nd (automatic).I reset my km meter and she went as fast as 50km/h. Slowly she start not having power but I said let's see how far does she goes. After 4 km she died on me.Open the hood and no more gas in the tank (1L).Fill another 1L and Crack it again with no success. Gave up and replace everything the way it was (air filter, injectors plugs). PS: Run it with out air course the moment I try to give some air she was dieing on me.Donno why she didn't want to start again. Any ideea? I realy appreciate any ideas Toyota Tercel,1.5L

Hey there I was surprised to see part of my video on yours lol cool man anyway yes your right Multifuel is good and cold Vapor is not that great. I recently went with Heated vapor and it is Far and above the others. Also not sure if u seen it but I have a Video of a simple way to pre heat your fuel in any car buy using the Radiator waist heat. It will give you around 5 to 10 more mpg and increased Horsepower. I like your approach I used my exaust to heat my fuel and it works Great when it up to operating temps

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

+diveborg13 Hey man thanks for watching and continuing making some great vids! My son blew up the van (ran it outta oil) and we moved so everything went on hold for awhile, I will convert a lawn mower engine to turn an alternator or two to give it a load for more accurate testing that of course will use the exhaust as well as those electric heaters to get a good fuel temp. Good luck in all your endeavors!

@diveborg13

8 жыл бұрын

+InJayzBraiN thanks i'm actually working on Stan Meyers Tec IE water powered engine Good luck to u and feel fee to ask any question feel free to ask if I can help

@leslieclendening2947

8 жыл бұрын

Increased vacuum lowers the boiling point of gasoline ( any liquid actually. Went through a period where I used no heat then used heat. Rad heat ( Tom Ogle) exhaust heat( GEET system among others). I used a preheater and electric heat as well. I found making sure vacuum was strong enough was the only way to burn the fuel completely but the control was not there. I could start the VW1965 notchback sedan (came in fastback and square back models as well ) 1100 cc fuel injected throttle body, in extremely cold temperatures and run without any heat. Heat did not add to the function as refining gasoline has its limitations 100-400 degrees One of the reasons you see limited results in automobile tests. The most volatile part of the gas( light ends have the most reactivity hence the most control and most horse power and have the least amount of vacuum. As you go through the stages the need for stronger vacuum goes up horse power diminishes control is limited fuel efficiency skyrockets. As you approach the heavy ends vacuum is extreme horsepower is critically lower control non existent ( rate of speed{ RPM} ) is a delicate balance ( all the tests that have been successfully performed have been at constant speed{test track uninterrupted highway mileage) myself included. The efficiency however was pretty much unbelievable to quote one post " bullshit" Each time my test failed I restarted ( without adding " fresh" fuel reset engines vacuum and established its equilibrium but could neither speed up or slow down In the lab you could establish high RPM but and run for hours at whatever it was set at but any attempt to change RPM( in either direction) resulted in failure( the famous El Paso to Demming and return. Five miles from finish failure of system with gas still left in tank) This renders the automobile application pointless in a regular operational situation. Haven't seen anyone overcome this hurdle in all the videos I've seen. As well have never seen or heard of anyone burning the full tankful wether small tank ( I used 1 gallon at a time( mr Ogle 3 gallons pre measured Charles Pogue full tank) anyone using a system that circulates the fuel gets longer running times with horsepower but ends up with large quantities of fuel that's is unusable Stationary engines work best ( constant speed) and seem promising but the vacuum is not nearly as responsive as it needs to be to respond to changing demands in traffic situations Anyone?

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you Leslie, I was considering setting the system to be used in conjunction with our present fuel injection system being able to switch it over when running a constant RPM like on the freeway as like you said attempting any sudden change causes it to stumble and/or fail. Sorry I didn't respond to the post you made 4 weeks ago, I didn't get a notification... I can completely believe the achievement of 651mpg I've ran across scanned microfish reports of SHELL breaking the 1000mpg barrier which is simply mind boggling.

@leslieclendening2947

8 жыл бұрын

It's not really impossible. I would attempt it on the little commuter engine in the Chevy volt and change it into a generator. Using the electrical. I personally think Tom ogle should have received the X Prize for his accomplishment. After all except for the vacuum tank conversion it is a more ordinary car than the team that won. Mine was More of a sowing basket on wheels that VW made in 1965 lol

The vaporizer for a propane system May work well

I think these guys are smart for Experimenting with COLD vapor. Why you ask well, there not engineers and it's safer not to mentioned these guys probably don't have the knowledge to make a full-blown experiment out of it but you are right.

@InJayzBrain

6 жыл бұрын

I'm always encouraging people to experiment, gas is dangerous cold or hot, but once you start an experiment and realize "this is not the way" unlike the other people giving you faults hopes and information I just wanted people to rethink this before attempting to do what they've seen on KZread.

on motorcycles they made jets that vaporizes the gas and it is not in liquid form going into the carburetor it is a mist and it makes the bikes run faster and better on gas mileage

I got into this late but trying 3 types of things.. gas vapor using the evap system with a bit of reworking of the manufacturer's use (which is after it burns a liquid it will burn the vapor in the tank added to it), well, just reworking it to do the major part of the fuel system, HHO running through an existing system in the car also but reworked with hydrogen being pumped in, and course, mist which is also in the mix of hydrogen.. I'm thinking of adding a 2nd tank with a switch up front where can try other fuels or liquids as a vapor for testing or upon finding out a better vapor other tha gas... What makes the gas cool btw? I already planned to heat mine due to seeing how the pogue version worked.. They have two major heaters in series where the gas flows. So I was thinking the more heat you can add to it, the better and the less needed overall. cause you probably only need a little explosion to keep the pistons in motion and with HHO in the mix, I think it'll have plenty..

@jarochodamanmilo

2 жыл бұрын

i seen vivideo pueple using white gasoline, might be more volatile of vaporices quickers. how many amps do you run your HHO generador ? thank you

I've got an idea... Use fuel injectors or a carburetor. I've tested these setups on my chassis dyno at my workshop and let just say i lock the rollers at 60mph and put 20hp of load on the retarder you use exactly the same amount of fuel on the same engine running a carby, efi or a vapour carb. I know... Science! 👍

@MR-nl8xr

2 жыл бұрын

You mean feed vapor to the efi?

I advanced my ignition timing to the maximum factory setting. Then I floored it, in my video.

How about to use exhaust heat to preheat the intake air to fuel can?

@InJayzBrain

6 жыл бұрын

Certainly could do that. I gotta finish a few car projects before I can move further along on this experiment, however I'm leaning towards doing something with some magnets that could be a breakthrough, only time will tell.

@gulfy09

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fZlkr6mmhdWZg7g.html

Can anyone know (answer) would LPG vaporizers work as a fuel vaporizer ... ? I mean , Lpg is getting in as a liquid fuel and then it vaporize in fume and to a intake ... Lpg vaporizers already have intake for engine cooling system sooo ... just saying ... maybe ...

I have a question :I have a 3.4 v6 SFI how hard would it be 2 put something like this on it ,its in an 03 Pontiac Aztek

@jasondunnington9570

6 жыл бұрын

Raymond Fugate Don't bother if you watched this to the end you'd know this isn't the way, it does nothing for you, no real gains of anything. If you want to experiment start with a lawn mower.

@raymondfugate5561

6 жыл бұрын

Jason Dunnington I know it has good fuel economy but if like2see it get better.

I've debated running a T-connection of some sort to a transmission cooler that is housed inside a fuel cell. Zero spark issues to worry about, and it's going to constantly be warm as long as the car is warm. Use the regular fuel system to start the car and have the fuel pump on a toggle switch to shut it down once warm? Just thoughts in my head! I'm thinking of doing it to see it it is possible solution. A warm coolant would warm the fuel faster than sticky heaters. Less loss in thermals. Should be sufficient.

@InJayzBrain

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your input and watching. Yeah we're thinking alike, I've taken a ammo box and 1/2 copper pipe with a bunch of elbows (to run coolant through) and made a fuel heating box to use a fuel pump to circulate it into the vapor box. Then we moved, shortly after my son ran the oil out of the van and blew it up, then the firebird got into the mix. So it's on the back burner and will be used on a lawnmower engine for testing with exhaust going through the copper instead. I'd still want to pre-heat the vapor box and try to keep as warm as I could with those heaters.

@markw1791

2 жыл бұрын

@@InJayzBrain 12 ft of high temp hose and 12 ft of copper tube.T each end so water can be run into it at 180 degrees and return to the block. And the copper,on one end tap into the fuel line,and other end send to injector or carb. Once the copper line is inside the rubber, wrap it around a can or cylinder of your choice and have a coil that will fit neatly and less space. The copper will have 12 ft of 180 degree water hose to get hot before it comes out. OR wrap the copper line around the exhaust pipe before it goes into a carb or injector,directly from fuel line.

Well it is good old experimentation that leads to advances. Be safe...

@InJayzBrain

9 жыл бұрын

Sad thing is this is nothing new, we already achieved over 150MPG way back. I just saw the Opel that won the Miles Per Gallon race back in the 70's with over 300MPG! on Discovery channel a few weeks ago. It still runs as well.

Put a hollow metal ball between carb and intake manifold atomizes and vaporizes gas doubles gas mileage and it works, please try this it works

What if you run some exhaust into the air intake hose? Would that keep the temperature above 80?

@InJayzBrain

9 жыл бұрын

premiersharpening I'm a little worried about introducing exhaust into the system. I was pulling hot air from the engine and heater hose off the exhaust, but not direct exhaust. At any rate the vapor process chills the fuel so quickly in large engines I decided to move most of the fuel into a heating tank while only allowing a small amount circulating through the vaporizing chamber. Initially I'm going to use engine coolant to heat the fuel, but I could change it and plumb exhaust through the copper radiator assembly I built if the coolant doesn't reach proper temps.

is it just tap water or special iodized water and some additives? i would like to try it in my ford focus if i could figure out how

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

+Brian Hunt Distilled water from what I've seen, though some have been using tap.

@macsogandares8383

8 жыл бұрын

+Brian Hunt One thing that people use is water/meth injection, the water mist cools the air marginally and takes up space in the combustion chamber before it turns to steam, increasing the overall compression ratio.

Dont People in usa.. ? Have the old Charles nelson pouge carb anywhere..?

If you want to run vapor, start with vapor. No point messing with vaporizing gasoline. Propane fueled vehicles run on vapor and do not require all the hardware. Propane is 105 octane, allowing high compression ratios. Even so, an engine optimized to run on propane vapor will not provide 100 mpg equivalent.

problem is youll need to run some sort of egr management system so the fumes dont explode

@InJayzBrain

7 жыл бұрын

There's all sorts of problems with this concept, and if you make it until the end you'll see I said that. What many guys are trying that you've seen making big claims here on YT simply aren't working and are creating a potential hazard. Maybe because I was brainstorming a bit in the video as to what could help or fix the issues that I come off like I believe this is the way to go, it's not. There's always another way, just gotta take a step back and look at it differently.

Oh shit, i just thought is that why the changed to efi!? Soooo much easier to modify the carby to run off vapour, especially after that kid in the late 80s or so made a vapour device and travelled across usa on 1 tank of fuel! Aftrr meeting with a few car company execs, he was home with a freind, took a drink of his cranberry juice and said "shit! The fuckn poisoned meee!!!!" As he ran outside and fell over and died! Its most def possible to break boundaries without getting into law of thermodynamics and such with these vapour feeds, its to do with efficiency of the vapour explosion compared to the liquid gasoline mist, makes me think they purposefully made it much harder to successfully execute once they knew anyone with half a brain can run successful experiments if they have access to the information and is somewhat handy. My first thoughts is a simple device like a light bulb dimmer device with the heating element surrounding a piece of stainless steel pipe surrounded by a bunch of insulation to stop heat from spreading, as the car is started the heating element heats the pipe thats connected right before the entry to the carby, increasing the overall temperature of the whole carby (depending on size of course) must dial it in to a stable temp where the fuel is consistantly exiting the carby in a nice vapour and not so hot that it will require a custom made carby with high temp seals so the temperature wont affect the operation of the carby.. Surely it wont be too hard to rig up and test, if i had a carby vehiclr i would of done it a long time ago just to see what happens and how feasable the idea of heating the carby so it ejects a steady vapour stream not liquid mist.. Or if its possible to strictly heat the fuel inlet alone to a vapour and see how well ot works, just not sure what type of carby design and if the fuel will be able to stay hot enough withought condensing inside the carby back into liquid defeating the whole purpose.. Just need to see carby design then make a choice weather entire carby or just the inlet feed should be heating to a point where only vapour is ejected.. Certainly interesting! Alot of money could be made, and alot of trouble could be encountered.. need sum1 to stand up and take the oil companies on face first lol

@InJayzBrain

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it really blows me away the amount of Greed in the world. I was also wanting to debunk quite a few of the KZread vids that just show the boneheads using gas cans with holes and hoses trying to tell people they are getting huge gains blah blah.. Thanks for watching!!

put your water hose into your gas to heat it and you will have no worries. then add some water vapour and your golden. you also have to have a way of adjusting he air intake so you can lean out the vapour as it gets hotter unless you have it at a constant temperature all the time then you don't need to do it. you set it don't have to worry about it again after you have the heat constant. no no no put the hot pipes into the fuel and heat it that way then you have hot fuel and lots of vapour to run your car. also put mesh into your hoses and that will keep you from backfiring and yes it gets huge mileage. make sure you put a spark arrestor in the system which is nothing but a bunch of wire mesh in the system not hard to do look at all the other guys putting these together and you will see what I am talking about. this guy seems to think this is bad but it isn't. they want us to not use it but this is freedom. it is out now that is why they have finally released the batteries that can charge quickly that were around for 35 years already. use the vapour system and you will be happy.

i was liking the idea of people adding propane to their air intake as a additive and just let the car lean itself out

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

+Brian Hunt Yeah I've been looking into water injection (ultra fine mist or vaporized) and much cheaper than propane. The turbo guys have "re-found" this concept and been using this to push more boost without detonation, this almost became popular back in the day in normally aspirated cars as a power/economy adder.

@WS-gw5ms

8 жыл бұрын

+InJayzBraiN it doesn't add power. it only lowers egts. I run it daily.

@leslieclendening2947

8 жыл бұрын

They use it in jet engine applications to add thrust during take off but in automobiles it helps cool intakes especially in this particular instance where a lean mixture is utilized.

What if you put the gasoline in your radiator and kept the radiator cap open with a sealed tub leading to the intake?

@InJayzBrain

2 күн бұрын

It would be bad LOL. This vid was really to show people NOT to believe these stupid vids that show guys with a small plastic gas can and some vinyl tubing stuffed in their intakes claiming they are getting GREAT MPG's! I was trying to show it is impossible due to many other factors with this idea's direction.

@SageBlueMusic

2 күн бұрын

​@@InJayzBrain Hey, thank you for typing back. This topic has really got my interest and based on what I have seen, It seems like it could be done properly. Do you think this is worth researching into further than just as a redneck diy project or do you think it is a waste of time?

@SageBlueMusic

Күн бұрын

@@InJayzBrain So is it a flat out scam, or are you saying that way more work would be needed?

@InJayzBrain

15 сағат бұрын

@@SageBlueMusic IMO most are a flat out scam. Much more work with a different "safer" design using a propane carb or something. Lawn mowers and small engines running constant speed may be more compliant and worth playing around with.

ok now i feel more confused than ever i have been watching videos about water injection for a hr and i feel just as lost as when i started i love the simplicity of it the ones made out of a juice container by the 2stroketurbo guy seems the easiest but what its doing how where why is a mystery to me and how much better gas mileage would i actually see??

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

+Brian Hunt That's the magic question, there's so much the water mist/vapor is doing. Steam cleans the engine, cools intake temps, and adds oxygen/hydrogen to the combustion chamber above the amount you gain from colder intake charge. All this has got to equate to some gain wouldn't you agree?

Jason what would you suggest then

@InJayzBrain

6 жыл бұрын

I've been toying with Magnets / electromagnets, I haven't built a prototype yet but the first tests will be with a car alternator to see if I can spin it up to make power and save hp when applied to a car.

why can we condense methain from dumps and poop to make a clean burning fuel

@WS-gw5ms

8 жыл бұрын

It'd cost more to collect than it's worth.

Why could you not pull the vapors out of your gas tank and run on these! Would need a check valve so a back fire would not explode the tank! James

@InJayzBrain

7 жыл бұрын

Hiya James, many reasons come to mind why you wouldn't want to do that. Currently I've been looking at a much safer way to not only gain MPH but HorsePower as well, prototype parts aren't cheap so I've been working the designs out while finishing my firebird to make room for my MX-5 before I can get to building n testing.

Also you said you had those heaters doing 150 degrees and the car ran only 30 seconds or so.. Then at the end you said you need anything above 80.. Well, huh? accoridng to earlier the 150 is minimal I would think.. actually more cause your car died.. did I miss something? Why the 80?

If you understand physics you can master defeat. The real way to the highest mileage possible is at low displacement at high pressure. The fuel system is just a piece of the equation. You have to look at the whole situation. You can't take from mother nature without understanding how. You have wind drag, rubber tire friction, loaded accessory drag, parasitic oil drag, and weight and heat dissipation issues and fuel volatility under different temps. A standard engine is built to deliver high power and high volume air displacement. What happens is all the fuel put into the engine goes out the tail pipe while a little goes to power the engine this is the design of every engine to delivery power quickly. One thing all air based fuel systems fail at is that when any substance is placed under vacuum will get cold. When placed under pressure it will heat up. Water does not give extra mileage it makes torque which in turn means you dont have to press the pedal harder to go faster.

@InJayzBrain

9 жыл бұрын

egn83b Very well said, I've devised a way to incorporate my system with our current fuel injection to deliver incredible MPG "at cruising speeds" yet maintain the same power when needed. Using the engine coolant and electric heaters to preheat the gas in a separate tank, then recirculate it to the vaporizing tank to keep max temps of 150-210f "should" achieve quality results. Couple more parts n pieces I'll be testing further and post those results.

@egn83b

9 жыл бұрын

Yep I too discovered pre heating does a world of wonders for gas. The e10 gas I had noticed does well evaporating in heated environments but it is so thin it goes quicker then regular none e10. One way I have achieved longer run times was adding restrictions to intake and exhaust system which helps with air and fuel mixing and egr which really saves fuel but it reduced my output some.

@InJayzBrain

9 жыл бұрын

egn83b Interesting, what are you testing on if I may ask? What gains have you achieved? I have a second butterfly as you've seen to give that restriction on the intake, once connected to a servo and switch on the pedal which activates the injectors and opens it up. Curious, why did you restrict the exhaust?

@egn83b

9 жыл бұрын

I am testing on Prius engine that I got from the salvage yard that I am running ignition timing off a junked ecu from another toyota. I am building generator using prius parts. So far I have plated up the exhaust and the intake manifold to control air mixture. I am doing the restriction plates like nascar does so i can run leaner ratios of fuel vapor. By closing up the exhuast to a smaller hole I am able to achieve perfect egr which doubles run time. The intake inlet is 1/4" insted of 1, 1/2" this makes the air and fuel mix more better. So far blocking up the intake has gained me some run time. The problem now is that I hit the glass ceiling of the btu's available from shitty e10 fuel. Run time has improved and exhaust temps have drop down. I think the next improvement now is adding a small amount of hho to see if I can up the run time some more. I am really gearing my setup to using exhaust heat to make the engine run off the white vapor which I have done but it a bitch to start when cold. I am not going for 100 mpg I am going for run time for my power needs.

@egn83b

9 жыл бұрын

I do notice that if you can keep intake temps down you really can pick up some more power. I really wish in the beginning that I just bought a kubota diesel engine because then I could just run stock and get great run time and use less fuel. But I was interested in seeing how far you can take gasoline in a generator setup. The reason cars can get near 100 mpg is because if the car is aero dymanic with low co-efficient you can coast instead of pushing on the gas and drop the engine when not needed. The econ modder web site is a great resource for running high mpg's.

Love you videos can't you just use the heat from the exhaust pipe

@InJayzBrain

2 жыл бұрын

totally could. I was going for more controlled temp.

Join GASOLINE VAPOR SYSTEMS group on Facebook.

@787brx8

4 жыл бұрын

I have an anti-knock prototype that lets me run very advanced ignition timing. A short video is on my KZread page.

I use water injection. it isn't a fuel. it just cools exhaust gas temperature.

@leslieclendening2947

8 жыл бұрын

Actually when I was testing I used water injection to prevent burning my intake valves

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

Don't discount the effects of water injection to just "cools exhaust temp" or only "preventing burning the intake valves" water IS the largest amount of power found on this planet, besides the electromagnetic force that emanates around us... I believe the violence that takes place in the combustion chamber is effective enough to use some of the hydrogen in the water, better effect with a finer mist.

@WS-gw5ms

8 жыл бұрын

Sometimes I run boost juice from snow it's 49/51 meth/water respectively. And you can definitely feel it when stage 2 kicks in.

The gums and additives will not vaporize in the gasoline only the lighter hydrocarbons of the real gasoline will come off after a while you will be left with a thick brown sludge

Was once told that the auto manufactures have it backwards he was on to somthing that got me thinking he. Said put gas in the radiator and water into the gas tank draw vapor off the cooling resavor= gas vapor and the water injectod into the motor with the original gas tank

@user-gz6hl1vf2w

Ай бұрын

I take it a step further re position radiator to a non compromising place so as to minimizing frontal collision fire

@user-gz6hl1vf2w

Ай бұрын

sounds like a good solution to your problem of fuel not having enough heat

@user-gz6hl1vf2w

Ай бұрын

Have a few other fuel options

@user-gz6hl1vf2w

Ай бұрын

Remember a couple of cyclists built an air plane they were the but end of a lot of jokes however who was the wiser that started with a dream

@InJayzBrain

Ай бұрын

@@user-gz6hl1vf2w I originally made this to disprove all those other vid's that show people strapping far cruder things on their cars and claiming crazy MPG claims. As I researched down the rabbit hole I did come up with the SHELL company who used to have MPG contest races and saw some incredible numbers posted. Yep over 100MPG even, however lackluster power was barely enough to run it around the track.

The cold air vapor carb in a plastic gas container doesn't work. U need plenty of real hot air 400 degrees

men can get your set up i like your make sense

120 inverter and a hot plate...

We build different types of successful units getting over 240 mpg on 350s. Your system is NOT self regulating, that is your problem. You are drawing air THROUGH the gasoline to make your fumes. This is a ridiculous method and does in fact change the temperature of the gasoline. Instead, draw air just across the surface of sitting gasoline in a close proximity setting and the air and gasoline temps will not be affected. No heating chamber of any kind is needed.

@royrogers7644

5 жыл бұрын

NO you dont :)

please dont bother with coolant heat exchanger its not hot enough.to vaporize petrol you need exhaust heat and all of it.and dond worry petrol wont self ignite.i run testing plates to red hot and petrol would not ignite after all its design to resist self ignition.

@InJayzBrain

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, I hear ya and I've been pondering an entirely different way to go about it using magnets.

Try using a motorcycle carb and a heat exchanger kzread.info/dash/bejne/fZlkr6mmhdWZg7g.html

why not use a power inverter and heat the fuel with a ammo box and hot plate

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

+ben dover Yeah a hot plate would work, I was attempting to make the engine do all the work but since my son BLEW the van up (not checking the oil...) I'm scaling down to a lawnmower engine and some alternators to add a load and see how much power/fuel economy I can get out of it. So a hot plate may be in the near future!

@andreiruiz1438

8 жыл бұрын

i think its better if u put nichrome heater that runs on 12v. 10ohm

@andreiruiz1438

8 жыл бұрын

i think its better if u put nichrome heater that runs on 12v. 10ohm

@ToolinAround

8 жыл бұрын

+andreiruiz143 would that supply enough heat?

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

+andreiruiz143 No need for an inverter, and should get plenty hot with a melting point of 2550 degrees F!. Great idea I'll look more into that!

They already have vapor engines.....they are called forklifts...... The principles are not compatible with a car engine.....it'll just get destroyed running a lean mixture

I agre about fuel vapour system that incrase millage, but 100mpg!!! its not gonna happen... I already try it, almost 2 years working on fuel vapour system, only got 30% of millage increase max.

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

+Evan Wide 30% is still quite a jump. It has happened before on a V8 not that long ago, also an modified opel in the 70's won the mile per gallon race with almost 350mpg, and I've also read somewhere back in the 70's shell broke the 1000mpg barrier. Sounds crazy as all hell but could be legit.

@xivwords5448

5 жыл бұрын

Evan Wide sounds about what I did with a lawn mower engine. More like 25% longer.

@ScharfeMesser

2 жыл бұрын

@@InJayzBrain i don‘t see the physics behind it! For example a modern 2ton car needs 20KW to overcome air and tire resistance at 70miles/h Petrol give you 9KW/Kg. That mean if your engine has 100% efficiency, you will need 2,4L petrol. Modern petrol engines have a efficiency of about 30%. You will have a consumption of 8L or 30mpg. You can not go lower than that. If so, you need thinner tires and less air resistance.

OK. so my system works. first of all...don't risk explosion. build a vapor vessel with flash arrestors. second. use a small secondary fuel revoir. heat that fuel. send it through a return. back to itself. regulate the fuel level in the secondary via pump and float switch. use a marine grade oil cooler commonly found to preheat the fuel. now my big secret. don't bubble fuel through itself to produce vapor. have a pump..mechanical or electric flow fuel over ceramic glass matting commonly used as chimney flu insulation. this will act as an evaporator and will not impede airflow. then the use of a thereafter actuated fresh air valve to introduce non vapor air into the system and regulate air fuel ratio. last but not least..use a digital air fuel ratio gauge to monitor and tune the system. message me and I'll give you all the details you will ever need.

@InJayzBrain

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matthew! What is it in and MPG or time difference? Good to know I'm moving in the right direction, I've already built a copper radiator to heat the fuel and pump and have been looking around for different types of float switches, also was thinking quite a bit on the "Wick" idea.

The video keeps stopping

@InJayzBrain

7 ай бұрын

must be on your side. try to start the vid then pause it for a couple mins then hit play

too dangerous

A car's weight determines its "MPG". Not the fuel type, delivery method, or god help me stop laughing my A$$ off... the type of carburetor.

Don't use vapor as fuel.. it'll run way too hot.