Just for the people in the comments that don’t know how these things work, venues aren’t just available to anyone. They won’t open themselves up to you unless you can prove that you’ll sell and so far the only proof Hololive has in the US is the Connect the World concert. If they keep doing concerts and keep selling out then eventually bigger venues will open their doors to them but for now, this is how things are. Things went the same way in Japan. Hololive was only recently able to get bigger venues in Japan.

@Spyduck

2 күн бұрын

Indeed, progress should be in sequential steps, a leap or two, but never overestimating. An entertainment business that proves it can continuously sell out shows year on year to an increasing audience is an attractive draw, and inspires confidence. One misstep, suddenly not being able to sell out a 100%, can severely tarnish a string of successes via optics. Business deals with numbers as proof of success, not by tweets/comments/threads in SocMed boards claiming possible success.

@BigBoss2808

2 күн бұрын

@@Spyduck "never overestimating" gee, what a great and logical move for any normal company, surely other companies will do the same right? kek😆

@V.vincent.V

2 күн бұрын

@@BigBoss2808 uhmmm......yes.... "some company" will do the same. *looking at kurosanji*😉

@normalguy5583

2 күн бұрын

other thing would be their is no available one in this time slot. other thing would be bcs Cover don't have present in US so most don't want to work with them. gonna have to wait for COVER USA operate and we will see

@Spyduck

2 күн бұрын

@@BigBoss2808 That one... I am speechless. Like I skeptically expected at least 50%... but dayum.

Imagine having a Wrestlemania level of audience attendance for Hololive live concerts. How crazy is that?

@tedjomuljono3052

2 күн бұрын

Gigguk coins the phrase that Vtubers are basically pro wrestling, but with waifus Hololive's Japan lives are organized by Bushiroad, which owns NJPW so it's not that far off i guess, tho for a wrestlemania sized concert, i don't think they're going to attempt that anytime soon, you might see that if they can manage to sell out a concert in Tokyo Dome first, wich is 10 times bigger than the current venue they use for Holofes 5

@Vfanatic1

2 күн бұрын

We don't have to imagine, it would happen without question given there were people instantly getting a 20k queue.

@SmokeHouse69

Күн бұрын

and then there is Japanese way of getting tickets , the gacha system

@tedjomuljono3052

Күн бұрын

@@SmokeHouse69 that's the japanese way of getting *everything*, you had to gacha for the right to purchase almost anything there

@psudhani6991

Күн бұрын

dont foget Pekora's solo was fully sold out at 15k seats

2 sold out concerts is a solid portfolio of success that they can present to concert venues. An EN world/NA tour may even be possible next year.

@arkynkueh

2 күн бұрын

Think the NYC concert is part of a world tour.

@cucumbermainline

2 күн бұрын

@@arkynkueh the hololive Stage SOAR! in NYC starts the world tour yes. What I'm talking about is EN-only world/NA tour.

@Fatso666

Күн бұрын

​@arkynkueh a "world" tour that consists of America and south east Asia lol

@cucumbermainline

Күн бұрын

@@Fatso666 at this point it just become a running joke than an issue tbh

@KABLAMMATS

Күн бұрын

​@@Fatso666 sorry bro europe and africa dlc still in development

just goes to show they can start doing concerts that support 20-30K people and they know it would fill out.

@squalleonkeneddyheart4191

2 күн бұрын

@@nerissaravencroftsmissinghorn Tokyo Dome Baby let's fucking GGGOOOOO!!!!!

@ac1455

2 күн бұрын

The problem is getting venues of that scale in non Asian countries to agree to that.

@nerissaravencroftsmissinghorn

2 күн бұрын

@@ac1455 Australia has plenty of venues that would be happy to support that many people XD just saying hahaha

@miracog

2 күн бұрын

Depends where. I think 10k is a safe bet

@creauspssrb627

2 күн бұрын

I tried queue lol I was at 16k numbers already

Hololive is still very niche, despite the queue, not niche to vtubing fans but to concert vendors. They need more reputation, it's still early in Hololive's life, give it time and they'll be filling out 60,000 seat stadiums soon enough.

@Pfish1000

2 күн бұрын

They likely won't ever do that just bc those stadiums can't actually support a hololive concert with those numbers. It'd be closer to 40k tops. They can't be seating people behind the stage or have the stage in the center the way other concerts in say football arenas might

@rebeltheharem7028

Күн бұрын

Stadiums won't work. Unless we suddenly get 3D hologram tech, having seats behind the stage would make no sense (its a flat 2D screen. The theatres would always have to be less than 180 degrees to the stage, and very few of them hold more than 5K seats.

@indescribableemptiness4104

Күн бұрын

@@Pfish1000they could possibly, but that’d be quite expensive putting screens on every side of a centered stage

Part of the issue is venues able to have the screens necessary to display the concert at all. Concert halls/venues don't update to keep up with the technology in this regard, they're happy to just host physical shows and it's an effort on the venue's part to be able to hold vtuber/virtual concerts. Old hats that can't/won't adapt to the times.

@Pfish1000

2 күн бұрын

A lot aren't physically set up to do it and would require major retrofit for what is a niche market. To go past 10,000 your options get very limited. You mostly gave sports venues. Hololive can't use the full potential many of those venues in the same way a traditional artist can. They need all of the audience to be in front of stage. Taylor swift for example doesn't she she can have people way off to the side. Basically using 2/3 to 3/4 of the total circular arena.

@hugisdb

2 күн бұрын

@@Pfish1000 Here's the counterpoint to all of this though, the US is more than set up across multiple cities for these kind of shows. Look at the roadshows that LoL has had in the LCS and with Worlds events. They sell out, and quick. 6k tickets is honestly a bit of a joke, and they have proof that they can sell out more by international visitors to Fes. This is even coming from someone who got tickets to both days of the concert...the second ticket I got about half hour after tickets went on sale too. The queue originally said like i was 4.5k behind in line and still got second row tickets first day.

@ImMetalMechanika

Күн бұрын

@@hugisdbAmerican venues don’t care how many tickets you can sell internationally (HoloJP obvious domestic advantage makes their numbers crazy). All that matters is how many tickets you can sell to an American audience and unfortunately Cover doesn’t have that resume yet.

@hugisdb

Күн бұрын

@@ImMetalMechanika I hope the US branch helps, but I doubt it will. With so few of the EN crowd living in NA, I think it’ll be a while before big boy venues are booked. I hope I’m wrong, but also I don’t want the talents driven into the ground (as seen rn with Advent being basically all sick with the 3D and all that going on)

@dirtyneptunemain917

Күн бұрын

​@@hugisdbJust like the LCS now, the solution probably would be watch parties hosted by independents across the US

Imma probably buy the streaming ticket. I'd love to see it in person with that beautiful stage but it was pretty sudden and I had no time to save money and plan a trip. Hopefully next time there will be more space for lots more people.

Straight up bought the blue ray of connect the world just to show support for more EN concerts.

Imagine if it can be hosted somewhere like the Las Vegas sphere. Huge space, big screens, great audio.

@rebeltheharem7028

Күн бұрын

Wholly shit, that would be great. I would pay extra to go see it there.

i bet some scalpers right now is reselling the tix at much higher price

@fisher89898

2 күн бұрын

Yeah some of these assholes are selling at $1k+

@esense9602

2 күн бұрын

It's a bad thing to be honest, but on the bright side, Hololive in USA means it's popular if there's a lot of scalpers.

@tedjomuljono3052

2 күн бұрын

Niji should've waited before canceling their concert, and sell it to those who didn't get the hololive tickets😂

@anewfuture

2 күн бұрын

@@fisher89898I cant even blame them. Like, say i bought a ticket and then i auction it on ebay for 1 cent starting. Is it my fault if someone is willing to bid 1000 dollars? The current system is virtually a lottery. At least if i resell it someone who wants it badly enough can get in

@potatoexe5410

Күн бұрын

​@@tedjomuljono3052changes nothing because people dont want to support that

Time to start looking at that Budokan booking everyone been dreaming of.

A Hololive concert at the las Vegas sphere would go crazy

@cn8299

2 күн бұрын

I'm hoping for that one day. I was just there and it was incredible.

Even Connect the World was only 6,000 seats. Imagine if they booked a huge venue was unable to fill all the seats lol. Smaller venues is no doubt going to sell out.

@bakacdaz

Күн бұрын

It would be like the beginning of Zombieland Saga season 2 lol

With how popular they are... Multiple shows or yes a bigger venue would be nice. Hope they can plan these peoperly

Well pray in the future the HoloEN live concert gets an even bigger venue in the future . And good luck to those fans that will line up online for those tickets!!

So when it comes to venues. A lot of things have to be taken into account. 1) When can they be booked? A lot of venues are booked months in advance. Someone in the comments mentioned this theater has about a yearish booking time. 2) Cover as much as we don't want to admit it, Doesn't have much power in NA. This will change a bit once cover USA gets up and running this month but they still need more events to get chances at larger venues. Venue owners are stingy bastards. They want to believe things that they bring to their venue will sell out. And because cover has only held one show in NA, the first thing they would say is prove you can sell out shows here before coming. They have no reason to believe sales from Japan would transfer over. How is Venue owner supposed to know that, Japan and the US or NA are two totally different markets. 3) Do we really want to put pressure on cover to keep going bigger and bigger? Like i feel that is greatly ignored here. At what point are they supposed to stop? Every major event must be bigger then the last? Well that could lead to burn out or impossible standards. Cover pulled a rabbit out of their ass with FES 5, i don't expect them to aim to shoot for something much bigger then that for 6 And for sololives and other concerts, they mostly like controllable and easy to work places around the 3-8k range. The only times they have gone above that to my knowledge were fes 3/4/5 and Pekora (Correct me if i am wrong btw i can't remember all the capacities xD) Those smaller sized venues may just work a lot better for Cover production shows So i think we could see a major concert in NA at around the 10-15k range......but i highly highly doubt that Cover would go much further then that. Like even the Bukodon holds around 14k so i doubt JP concerts will get much larger because again At what point do we stop with the size increase? You eventually will get to a point where an impossible standard is expect that Cover just wouldn't be able to meet. Thank you for coming to my ted talk xD. TLDR I do believe bigger venues will come, i just don't see Cover going much further past the norm they usually do.

@botbaki9303

2 күн бұрын

Finally a good opinion and not "bigger and better when, numbers speak get the money, waiting sucks" For the sake of cover and the talents i hope they remain like this. Concerts with 5k people at max, maybe one big each 5 years idk. If they want to maintain the sanity and well being of some of the girls, because not all of them have a korean obsesion like kiara or want to be eminen like calli, most of them are there just to have fun and not to die due to chronic strees and anxiety. (The jp girls love to suffer so idk) They should start to transition and let the idol culture thing as an optional path. Tsukumo Sana graduated because of this, her body wasn't in conditions to maintain the extreme idol life that cover want, dance lessons, travelling and taking unnecesary amounts of stress. The best example for this are the korean idols, i dont want that painful and grey existence for the cheerful and lively talents of hololive. The future of cover.. fk it! im going to sleep.

@blurey8569

Күн бұрын

Interesting take 👍

@1stCallipostle

Күн бұрын

I think the easy answer as to "when do they stop going bigger" Is when a MAJORITY of interested parties get a crack at it. I'm not saying you have to appease all 20,000 interested goers, but 3K is most definitely insufficient.

@comradeofthebalance3147

Күн бұрын

Indeed. Better to be sustainable than be maximising profit

Look forward to next time already

We need more space!

I really think it was down to the milliseconds of who got in the queue first because I clicked it immediately as the button popped up and 11K people were ahead of me. GG better luck next time

Need a bigger venue for sure or more showings

Just to give idea on some people here someone in the 9k queue will have to wait like 3 hours or more it depends on 8999 person if they are slow or not.

For reference, Connect the World's venue last year was ~6,000 seats, literally *DOUBLE* the capacity of Breaking Dimensions. It was gonna be a bloody massacre as soon as they announced the venue.

It's sold as fast as biboo limited merch before she even put the link up 😂

meanwhile in Japan they do it in a gacha system , kinda glad streaming ticket is an option although the experience on live concert is something else

They gotta find a large enough venue that's willing to accept a two-day performance (with little notoriety in the theater scene), has the openings in their schedule, and potentially doesn't sell tickets through Ticketmaster. It's kind of a tall order. And honestly, I'm fine with smaller venues if it means they can stick it to Ticketmaster.

Having seen that happen to Movin' On!, I decided to learn more about Live's paid concert venues so far, and then I found myself even more surprised that the girls have been working with relatively small venues most of the time. And now, as I remember an also VTubing utaite group called Irregular Dice, which I first learned about through Rikka's VTuber Singing King, and how they've not only dreamed of holding but also managed to hold a paid concert in the Nippon Budokan, I feel especially and wonderfully humbled by those freaking awesome parts of the rabbit hole that I haven't bothered to look into as much as I have done to the holos.

@GuruFromEHRPG

2 күн бұрын

Cover seems to have a total they like. Around the 3-8k range and they rarely go that much above it. Pekora and FES 5 are the only ones that I know of that go really crazy. my guess is that it is just a lot easier for them to do it and more importantly, far less risky

@Pfish1000

2 күн бұрын

​@@GuruFromEHRPGfinding venues much larger that can actually support the setup necessary for what hololive wants (an actual stage where it looks like they are dacing to the audience) is also very hard to come by. A lot of venues of that size are sports arenas that can hold concerts. You have to make sure what they are advertising seating wize is actual for a traditional concert hall like set-up or if it's for something closer to the super bowl halftime show where the stage is in the middle of the arena. Even one that projects out into the arena isn't particularly useful for them. They'd still only be able to make use of so much of it. If you look up concert seating for the KFC yum arena they show the seating chart for upcoming things. Hololive there could at best do the seating chart Martin Lawrence but likely would trim off the extreme wings. They couldn't make full use of the venue in the way Aerosmith is. That's one of the largest venues they could realistically use. But it's also in Louisville Kentucky and while the majority of people are going to be traveling either way, I suspect Cover wants more major locations. They also seem to like to have it during major anime conventions in order to increase the value proposition to people wanting to attend. They can get people that were already going to AnimeNYC or AX, and get people that can use the concert as an excuse to go to one of those con. I don't think it's a coincidence they chose the 2 largest animal conventions in the US as the time for their concerts.

@theoverlordbear

2 күн бұрын

@@GuruFromEHRPG Well, at the very least, we got streaming tickets for those who wanna watch it one way or another, while the sold-out venue tickets show the demand to the more statistically inclined. Playing things safe isn't always a bad thing, much like how playing things risky isn't always a good thing.

Yeah, getting a ticket was a major bummer for me, and I was there the moment the sales went live and managed to be 118th in the queue just for it to get to my turn, get redirected from the queue page when it was my turn and get shoved into a black loading screen with a ticket shaped loading icon and have it never load.... needless to say, I got kicked out after the 10-minute allotment ended still stuck on the same screen and ended up empty handed and bummed as a result.

I feel like if you didnt click the link at least five minutes after it opens it I wouldnt bother. I hit it as soon as the clock struck 9:00 and there were still 12000 people ahead of me. Im just glad the que was only ten minutes. Soar was worse. I was a minute late clicking the link and ended up in the que for an hour.

I clicked to enter the queue on the exact second that it was available, quite literally (clicking early doesnt show the button) and i was 5136 in line. I decided to wait it out to see what was left. about 50 mins later it gave me the opportunity to look at the seating. all seats for the 1st day were completely sold out. the 2nd day had 3 nosebleed seats left, in the far back. considering there are only about 3000 seats and i was 5000 in line there were probably a lot of people that didnt bother getting them since it didnt seem worth it being so far from the stage. i did not buy those tickets so i guess im one of them...

Please do concert at stadium like Wembley next time Im sure it will still sold out despite large capacity

It hurts me so much that i was not able to get any of the tickets i was prepared and everything, but i was not even close, welp better luck next time. I'll just use the money to buy a big monitor to watch it at the best quality online

They really need to stat out the Dodgers game. I think if they ask how many people bought a ticket for Holo specifically, they can use that stat as proof to other venues. They can also submit stream ticket sales together with their live tickets sales as proof.

@TheRover87

Күн бұрын

I think the Dodgers game isn't a good comparison. I hope the Dodgers collab goes well, but I would guess it sells less than a concert for a number of reasons. 1. It's not a hololive focused event. 2. How many holo fans are interested in baseball. 3. Unless you're a Dodgers fan, the majority of fans of other teams hate the Dodgers.

@Parcolai

Күн бұрын

@@TheRover87 I was thinking that they can extrapolate, but your points are good.

Honestly? I'd prefer if they kept selling out instead of the reverse situation where they don't sell enough to justify the booking. At least this way they can slowly start building a rep for future bookings.

It wasn't just about venues availability. It was a choice made by management, they are still playing safe and we need to understand that after all Cover's still a Japanese company and playing ultrasafe is expected 😅

@soupsundying8362

Күн бұрын

Yeah but everyone’s in agreement that they played it a bit TOO safe in this case. Hololive fans look forward to this all year, it’s no surprise that a lot of them will make space in their schedule to go to a live concert. When it’s all said and done they are idols, and we are idol fans. A live concert is the peak of idol culture.

@caBr010

Күн бұрын

@@soupsundying8362 ofc, I know and I agree with you but again I think this is peak Japanese company behavior lol playing too safe is not really a surprise.

How quickly did it sell out? If I remember, connect the world sold out in only an hour.

@nineblu

2 күн бұрын

there were only ~3k tickets, i believe the queue was at 13k or so the moment it opened and peaked at 18k. After 53 mins, all tix sold out

@Chaosloki

2 күн бұрын

It sold out in a literal second. It just took about an hour to process all the sales because of the queue/line system. People attempting to buy within the first second of tickets going on sale were in queue of like 15k+.

@burukani

2 күн бұрын

Even just a passerby got 3 tickets.

@DeepFriedScream

Күн бұрын

Lining up instantly at the start got you in that huge 15K. If you lined up not at the start, you had no chance. Similarly, the way the queue system works, it randomizes all the people at the very start for their queue order. The small difference of ping had no factor in your queue start, for instance.

@kissena3830

Күн бұрын

Actually around 2hrs but technically less than 5 minutes. 2hrs because it depends on how fast the people is being processed. But technically it is just 5 minutes or less

should've gone to MADISON SQUARE GARDEN

Getting into an online queue is standard now. When Taylor Swift started her recent concert tour down Under, my friend spent the whole day in an online queue from morning till evening and failed to get tickets for any of her shows in Australia. It used to be you bought tickets online to avoid queueing in person at the ticket counter, but we seem to have gone backwards.

@Morbpious

Күн бұрын

Better a queue online than in real life

Yeah tbf vtuber is still niche and probably only hololive thats actually thriving and growing. So its really hard to justify vtuber concert with ten of thousands seat for 2 days. Big gamble. Probably several more sold out concerts and we'll get bigger venue

I'll bet they could've potentially sold out Madison Square Garden, Hololive has become THAT popular worldwide.

It was a battle royale but at the end I made it

Scalpers are too op

Surprised they don't do a lottery for it

It was hard Irys, it was hard (got mine though)

Cover seriously underestimate their audience outside Japan. Was the same thing the last time.

Meanwhile a certain black company able to book a bigger venue only to cancel it out of spite of don’t want competitors like Hololive get it

Kweweh

In New York? Kings Theatre is among the biggest, and unless you're Taylor Swift or Drake, the arenas won't give you the time of day. Now we know IRyS hasn't ever been there. Unless Holo keeps selling out smaller venues, they'll never get anything big. This sort of thing is required for other venues to even look at sn application.

@jackmehoff9517

Күн бұрын

Kings theatre is not among the biggest have you even been to NYC?

@PoodleKong1

Күн бұрын

🤣 Drake

But is the stream ticket still in qued or??? I don't mind watching it not physically there but watching it at the tv...

@kissena3830

Күн бұрын

Stream ticket is not queued as far as they have done it.

hoping tickets sold to actual fans and not reseller bots..

@kissena3830

Күн бұрын

This. Or scalpers?

@Yurie13

Күн бұрын

yep

@Yx_Shorty_xY

Күн бұрын

Where there is profit to be made due to limited exclusivity, there’s guaranteed reseller bots.

@Yurie13

Күн бұрын

exactly

Meanwhile NijiEN would struggle to fill up a local pub hotel with 100 seats.

They underestimated the amount of fans who would have wanted to go to the concert. Hololive should be able to go to Tokyp Dome at this point considering how big they are

@delphy2478

2 күн бұрын

from information i've seen the theater has something like a 1.5-2 year reservation wait time, so it was most likely reserved BEFORE the first EN concert, so at the time they truly didn't have any idea and likely went semi-conservative

@DrOpty

2 күн бұрын

Given that Ado--who sold out a 15k capacity arena in Brussels--only managed to get a 2k capacity theater in NYC, I'm pretty sure that there's something that makes getting the bigger capacity theaters in NYC very difficult for overseas acts.

@ericp631

2 күн бұрын

It's about what you can book. Especially a place like NYC, getting any venue is going to be very hard with endless acts all vying for every available space all the time.

@RoflCannon6

2 күн бұрын

@@DrOptyvenues don’t just open up to anyone. They need proof that you’ll be able to sell and the only proof Hololive has of that within the US is the Connect the World concert. It works like this pretty much everywhere since even in Japan, Hololive has only just recently been able to get bigger venues.

@GuruFromEHRPG

2 күн бұрын

@@DrOpty It's a lot to do with timing and draw power. You can say well i held a x amount of people in a venue concert here, the first thing the venue owner will say is how can i believe they will come here? The fact that ADO could only get a smaller theater in NYC says a lot because imo, she's far more marketable then Hololive.

Pretty sure this fast lvl & amount of preordering are backed by fmr Nijisanji EN fans after seeing through the corruption just to spite them

@soupsundying8362

Күн бұрын

That’s a bit cope. Hololive just has a lot of devoted fans

I blame furries. Somehow this is their fault.

Imagine being sad because the venue was small

Imagine having to cancel your concerts because you couldn't even sell 14% of your tickets. Haha Couldn't be Hololive.

Meanwhile kurosanji

All I'm saying is, there are other places than LA to have concerts. East Coast gets NO LOVE when it comes to these shows. While not the main reason tickets went so fast, it certainly didn't help the cause.

@HaLire

2 күн бұрын

you guys are also getting NYC and Atlanta stops for the Hololive world tour this year! The west coast kind of missed out this time.

@nefiran01

2 күн бұрын

What are you talking about? This concert is held in NYC King's theater

@js1031

2 күн бұрын

@@nefiran01 I know. But this is the oddity. These concerts are usually in LA or TX for some reason, neither of which are anywhere near the east.

@soupsundying8362

Күн бұрын

@@HaLire Atleast you get the dodger game

I say again and again this hololive girl doesnt know big and popular they are 😅 seriously.

Meanwhile ID still needs to hijack others concert 😢

I prefer them being modest and having tickets sold-out than to overestimate and losing money over unsold tickets. *Looks at Nijisanji*

Problem is scalpers bought up tickets and are just reselling em