the purpose of iron body training is to toughen up the body. to make the body able to absorb more and stronger blows. its not actual fighting training.

Okay, that kind of makes sense. I never did it that way--I just slowly and patiently worked my bones directly, but I can understand that method. As far as jow goes, I wouldn't rely on it. If your bones will heal well without it, I wouldn't bother with it. After iron body practice, I always ice the areas of impact for a while, clean them thoroughly, and THEN, if I think it's necessary, apply jow. It's not good to be dependent on any substance.

and one of the reasons to start out slowly in terms of force is to prevent deadening of the nerves? Deadening of the nerves may sound like a good idea in the short term of being able to resist pain in a fight, but has many detrimental long term effects. from what I hear.

Cheers lad

Your Quote:[Forearm and body conditioning for Chinese martial arts. This training is best practised with a training partner, however hitting a stationary object lightly at first and gradually building up to a more powerful strike can condition the striking weapons when a partner is not available. Correct placement of the limb is important when doing these exercises and the pole should not be hit directly with bone.] Thanks for the info, because I would have started hitting it hard.

You rock Chris!!

I thought that muay thai fighters would spend hours kicking banana trees for the purpose of deadening the nerves. I'm pretty sure deadening nerves is not a myth since it's simply damaging the nerve endings in the skin (maybe the ones just for pain, but also the ones for sensing heat, cold and pressure).

As I understand it, it is important to stop the flow of blood in order to allow the blood to coagulate, so that bruising and swelling do not occur. That is why injuries are always iced first and then warmed. I don't think you will find a single medical expert to tell you to keep an injury warm.

Well, not "break" them, but make small fissures in them. Hitting them w/o fracturing them DOES do something. You want to slightly bruise them, and the stronger they get, the harder you hit them. Just like muscles, bones get stronger in response to increased stress. When you do iron body training, you are bruising your bones, and allowing them to rebuild themselves with marrow tissue and calcium, making them thicker and more resilient.

@toishanma continued. I also dont use dit da because i use chi gong to redistrubute the blood and chi throughout the body after training. Also, I built up to this clip with years of pai da training and xing yi quan solo training and push hands. then i spent 3 days per week for 3 weeks, 10 mins a session striking this pole. I dont usually train like i did in the clip. this is only a demonstration. I always begin with fairly gentle strikes and gradually build up momentum as the tissues.

@Foyepolomi thanks mate. I love all the Hun yuan tai chi clips you have put up. thanks for promoting such a powerful system.

@toishanma thanks for your comment. There are three main bridgeing arm techniques im using. 1.low bridge. im hitting on the anterior aspect of the forearm and a little towards the thumb side. 2. high bridge: supinate the forearm as much as possbile and then hit with the muscle on the posterior forearm. 3. underhand low bridge: extend the wrist and internally rotate the arm and strike with the muscle laying over the ulnar. hope that helps. best of luck in your training.

Nice dude, well done.

I should probably point out, in case people take my posts as advice instead of my own preferences, that dit da jow is great wonderful stuff as long as you apply it correctly. It is VERY useful and has saved me a good deal of agony on many occasions. It is my PERSONAL preference not to waste my jow unless I REALLY think I need it (to prevent compounding injuries)

I am sure there are ways to kill your nerves, but the point of iron body conditioning is not to do that. As long as you keep the blood in your body circulating, the temporary damage your do to your limbs will heal, just like your bones do. That is the purpose of slapping your arms and legs to get the blood circulating and dit da jow also helps circulate the blood. Iron body conditioning should not result in dead nerves.

Excellent Work man...... & Thanx for your Comment.......it looks like we have similiar styles because I have done this kind of Training the exact way you do it...... Your Jing is very well timed.......

Awesome! Awe Some. Just great.

Awesome style Chris

très nice!

What you do NOT want is large uneven chunks of calcified bone, because that will cause problems later on in life, especially around the joints.

i can do the same thing just not with the legs, omg, i hate working on the legs, i always hit wrong and bruise the bone.

Good stuff.

I'd hate to be that post

Oh oh oh, sorry I misinterpreted. Yea, you want to do it in a fashion that gives your body time to heal itself, otherwise you are only compounding an injury.

@toishanma your welcome, Im glad you got something from my clip. I personally dont use dit da. i aim to use another person when im doing this kind of training due to the feeling that you get from another person is more springy and lifelike than when using an inaminate object. I only use this kind of training when i dont have anyone to practise with.If you do use a pole, i recommend finding one that has alot of give in it (moves when you strike it) or a thin tree they bends alot when you hit it

Pitbull continued.. if this was painful it means that i would not be training properly and that im going too hard for my current level. Thanks for your question. have a good day and best of luck on your path to mastery. Will add however, that becuase i didnt feel any pain does not mean that the feeling in my arms is gone. my arms are very sensitive. I need them to be for push hands and talking hands practise. the internal way does not damage the body.

It's toughening the skin, not deadening the nerves. When we do iron body training, we use objects of different consistencies like wood, concrete, metal, and bean-filled bags. Banana trees are good for kicking and hitting because while they are tough, the trunk has a little bit of give. I know several people who have done iron body their whole lives, including my sifu, and they can all still feel the slightest breeze over their skin.

That was awesome! Blitkrieg speed!

oh, i know that Iron body isn't supposed to kill nerves. I was asking if one of the benefits of starting out much more moderately than full force was to prevent such killing of nerves. Both of my sifus have done plenty of iron body training and they don't have nerve damage.

awesome

I hear-by declare this video to be pretty cool.

@billybee2911 cheers mate. what training do you do?

What do you mean you should not hit the bone directly? Is it not the point to slowly strengthen your bones?

@toishanma continued.. as the tissues adapt to the exercise. this should be built up very gradually. connective tissues and bone toughen when they are subjected to frequent conditioning. the way i normally train with the pole is similar to mike martello's post (2004 basic conditioning practise taiwan). the problems with striking to hard are.1.thrombosis (blood clots in the veins and arteries/can kill you), 2 nerve damage=numbness in forearms and hands. 3 infection from pole/tree if skin breaks

Actually, the "deadening of the nerves" business is a total myth. That's just not how your body works. The reason one starts out softly and slowly is to prevent breaking your arm, and having that calcify. You just want to slowly force your bones to increase in density. In the end, it is not your nerves which deaden, but your muscle tensing reaction, bone density, and pain tolerance. You are just able to understand and take the hits. The nerves do not die.

@thehomefront. Your comment once again is unintelligent....Do you think this clip is about fighting a pole?? are you totally stupid?? did you even read the info about the clip? This is body conditioning for chinese martial arts. its used when a training partner is not around...and you hit back? really. go you. you must be really tough. High five to your manliness.

@Mrbayer04LeverkusenX thanks mate. This only a demo though. The training methods i used to do this are a little different...and alot more boring to watch. lol

@SlyRoogon You should go way softer at it in the beginning. Do not hit so hard, hit with much lower force for the first few months! (not days or weeks). Gradually build up your tolerance without damaging your body at such a young age. Do not overdo it, take it as a 3 year project to achieve a level of conditioning that you can be proud of, but remember, as with all training, that you will then have to continue the practice on a regular basis if you don't want to loose it!

i beleive u should start out hittin the muscle and then slowly allow the force to shock ur bones. then slowly move into the bone hitting. oh ya and plenty of dit da jow.

im 14 and i hit my forearms on a wooden plank as hard as i can consistently till my arms go red and blister telk me what i do wrong and how to strengthen them

@rapedanina5952

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Sly -UX1XN I don’t think they should blister. Put something over it so you don’t blister it

@marknew91 Thanks mate.

@pacificpitbull Hi Pacificpitbull. I remember my taekwondo teacher many years ago tell me that the point to striking hard objects was to not be bothered by the pain even though you feel it. That comment shows me, now years later, that due to the training methods he was practising he was not developing iron body. I didnt feel pain doing this. the whole point of doing iron body is too toughen the tissues so the force doesnt go into your body. If this was painful i wouldnt have done it.

@sugarisgood4me leg bruises? or what?

Actually you can, (not the eyes of course) but all of the others you have listed. Human body adapts to pressure, yes, even your groin can be strengthened, you don't want to know how they used to iron it however, it will make you cringe just by thinking about it.

@neo2190

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No wonder the Chinese evolved with small dicks

Why doesn't he simply use a wooden dummy then vandalize a public street light?...lol

i do it for the 360 degree defence for krav maga

definitely plenty of jow.

cheekybastard29 has replied to your comment on Iron body training: @finnurth Of course mate...but how do you know that I didnt. your unwanted advice is sound but you assume too much. Keep your opinions and your exclamation marks to yourself and not on my channel in future please. Iv already explained some of my training methods in my other posts. Please Read them. I have clips coming very soon on how I trained this.

@billybee2911 thanks mate i appreciate the compliments. I ignored stupid comments for years but decided some people talk out of there ass and needed to be told. :). besides I really enjoy outwitting meatheads these days. lol

@finnurth This comment from you was lost somehow. Cheekybastard29, I was never questioning your training, I was just giving a humble advice to SlyRoogon to his question. I did not realize that people were not allowed to take part in the comments. Please feel free to remove my comments if I am out of line. I totally agree with you, a good teacher is a must. I personally graded last time with this Sensei, in his dojo: see /watch?v=a0JerGLU6GA

@fugoung1 nice too see you on here bro. i see you have discovered the most primative ape on this planet..in the form of thehomefront. he's fun to manipulate, very basic in his use of language and way of life..it seems.Not refined at all. he does not get that he is cause of his own suffering. your right about his ego. he tries very hard to avoid others seeing his weakness.yet its so obvious. I get the impression that any words with greater than 3 syllables go over his head though. have fun!

@damafiafz lol. cheers

@thehomefront heh heh...and again.. your funny. lol

@mellyw1985 hey Mel. Hows Physio going??

@thehomefront funny, you replied..poorly to my observation once...and then replied again only seconds later.. with a mindless anger fuelled insult....i must have really hit a nerve.

@finnurth i agree with Finnurth, but i would also say.. more than anything,.find a teacher who has achieved the result. good luck brother.

@thehomefront LOL!!!!

much better to spend the time learning how to avoid being hit and learning something like cotton palm where one smack anywhere on the body or the arm and its all over.

just beating up an innocent pole...are you proud now?? :D

@cheekybastard29 poles dont hit back, i do.

@thehomefront .Nope never been bullied. wrong there cobber.Actually your wrong on all counts. Your comments are so thoughtless. I can tell so easily that you arent too intelligent. Your profanity says volumes about your character. Your the wrong kind of person to be involved in martial arts. Your 38 right? Im amazed that in 38 years this is all the character you have. A man only swears becuase he lacks the vocabulary to adequately express what he is feeling.

@thehomefront,Why are you wasting this planets good oxygen supply?Its been awhile since iv come across someone from the dark ages.I wonder what your caveman tribes people would call you?Actually they probably wouldnt call you asyou could offer no intelligence to any conversation I forgive you for your lack of wit, intelligence, grace and all round lack of humanity.I can tell from your message that these qualities are what your friends would know you best for.and why they never answer your calls

Are you fucking kidding me O_O

@thehomefront I can tell from the samness of all your messages that you are a very stupid fighter. You are always using the same type of come back. This shows me and fugoung that your tactics in combat are very one dimensional.I honestly dont think you have any other way of engaging in battle.You would be a very easy opponent to defeat.you are stupid and worst of all..for you....you are reactive.you are a pawn in my game. I could have very easily had your account closed a long time ago.

looks like wing chun.....

next time learn some skill

WTF ???