Truly puts into perspective the bravery and skill of the men that landed on the moon in 1969 and the Engineers remarkable achievement. Getting them home again was even more astonishing.

Should have hired some Battlebots team members. They would have designed in a way to let it right itself. Really! Nobody in engineering said: "What do we do if it tips over?"

@rogerxxxxxxx

4 ай бұрын

What do we do if it tips over?

@navelriver

4 ай бұрын

Give it a participation award @@rogerxxxxxxx

@ralphsinamon5222

4 ай бұрын

Watch the second "Men in Black" movie and one will see how to get the craft upright! The SAME scenario is addressed in that movie!

@MrEh5

4 ай бұрын

Adds more weight.

@garryb6218

4 ай бұрын

It fell over because it has 6 legs, one landed on a bolder and the whole thing fell over, I never seen a telescope just fall over with 3 legs.DA

Why did they say that the lander was "upright" yesterday when it wasn't? And, I don't understand why they have these tall landers that would be more likely to tip over. The Viking and the other Mars landers were definitely more horizontally-oriented in design, with a lower center of gravity, which is critical.

@johnferry7778

4 ай бұрын

To take advantage of the rise in their stock price?

@AntonsPix

4 ай бұрын

NASA should ask Neil Armstrong how NASA got to the moon 50+ yrs ago 😂

@BradM73

4 ай бұрын

I don't recall them saying it was upright. I think they just said it had landed and was transmitting data. It was upright as it was descending to land, and I believe they said there was a sudden 8-degree pitchover just as they lost telemetry data, which is a strong indication of a tipover. Seems like all the moon landers are tipping over these days. Are there aliens watching them land and then kicking them over on touchdown??? 🤣

@sciptick

4 ай бұрын

They said it was upright because that was what the telemetry they had said. In this vid, they said that this turned out to be stale data. I conjecture that was because the data rate they had achieved was so low that they had not downloaded the full log yet. Probably the low data rate is a product of the antenna pointing the wrong way.

@ramses4321

4 ай бұрын

Yes that was my first question. Why a tall lander? Why landing while navigating horizontally and having such a tall structure?

"The vehicle performed flawlessly" right up until it crashed.

@pedrohaonade531

4 ай бұрын

That is for everything,it works perfectly until it doesn't work.

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

@aonade531Some might argue that this end result indicates the vehicle didn't perform flawlessly at all.

@WizzRacing

4 ай бұрын

Best reply I read...

@NovaCantera

4 ай бұрын

It was apparently due it's main landing system not having been activated correctly before launch, thus forcing them to use a nasa experiment onboard instead, so it's amazing that didn't end up being a crater rather than just landing a little too hard. It also has sent alot of data back before luna night so at the very least, a parital success.

This is called "sweet lemon rationalization". You're stuck with a bad situation, but you put an unreasonably positive spin on it.

@AdvaiticOneness1

4 ай бұрын

Or simply they "lied to save their reputation" 😂

@wally7856

4 ай бұрын

@@AdvaiticOneness1 You spelt stock price wrong.

@sloth316

4 ай бұрын

What bad spin? The fact the guy said it basically doesn’t change anything ?

@KeyboardMoment

4 ай бұрын

It's not that bad when you compare it with the Japanese lunar mission a month ago

@dustup2249

4 ай бұрын

Good analogy. I used a more colorful analogy on X today about CNN telling it's blind-folded sheeple that the s**t they were spooning into their mouths was Haagen-Dazs chocolate ice cream and the sheeple said "mmmm" and asked for more.

How can you refer to it as a "successful soft landing" when it was infact a soft crash landing?

@clives344

4 ай бұрын

Seems the case

@28119850

4 ай бұрын

Precisely. Trying to blow smoke and think the viewers are stupid enough to believe the BS.

@captain_britain

4 ай бұрын

A crash landing is still a landing, no? And as for the "successful" part, it *seems* like the lander has still accomplished its missions―to deliver cargo and collect data.

@moritzheintze7615

4 ай бұрын

Like JAXA, they are redefining the succesful landing such that the lander is still in one piece and sending data. I wonder if this will do for a manned landing in the future.

@zaldyfernandez7087

4 ай бұрын

It's still operational...

This just adds to the mystique of the 1950s -60 men who designed built and flew to the moon. 🇺🇸

@sharpsvilleBill

4 ай бұрын

And women.

@tjoy8082

4 ай бұрын

... analogic on wires 😆

@raybeauvais296

4 ай бұрын

There is no doubt we used up all of our luck up on Apollo. 😄

@johnthomas338

4 ай бұрын

@@sharpsvilleBill LOL. Sure - I remember seeing all those 'women' in Mission Control during Apollo. How would we have done it without them? LOL again.

@johnthomas338

4 ай бұрын

@@sharpsvilleBillYou forgot the 'Hidden Figures' too - the black women who apparently were responsible for landing Apollo on the Moon. Just like Africa's amazing space program. Oh, wait...

Ten minutes into the briefing before they bother to mention that it tipped over. Seems like that’s the first thing they should have mentioned.

@thinkitthrough8555

4 ай бұрын

Typical corporate cheerleading bullshit.

@davidmickles5012

4 ай бұрын

Theyre ALL actors and politicians (same thing) meaning they are paid liers. I'm not saying it's not on the moon, but it just goes to show you how far American technology has fallen since the "elite" have decided to sell off America to make a quick buck. Its hilarious how obvious it all is.

@davidmickles5012

4 ай бұрын

They're all paid liers.

@johnferry7778

4 ай бұрын

Probably wanted that last couple of minutes to sell some more shares.

@davidmickles5012

4 ай бұрын

Just like politicians today, they're all paid liers.

Why no photos or video. Makes it hard to believe.

@mistertagnan

4 ай бұрын

Because they are having to deal with extremely low data transfer rates. Did you even watch the video?

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

@@mistertagnan Yes, and even though they knew all too well how incredibly sparse the data feed was, they still foolishly proclaimed they had landed upright within minutes after it crashed. At what point is it ok to call arrogance, deception, and/or stupidity what it is?

That explains why the livestream lunar landing footage was "deleted" 😂

@dougaldouglas8842

4 ай бұрын

Never existed to delete

@zinussan50

4 ай бұрын

@@dougaldouglas8842 you don't understand sarcasm?

@paultweedlie3697

4 ай бұрын

Moon landings haven't been the same since Kubrick died

It's pretty cool how truthful they were about the LADAR. I feel like a lot of companies wouldn't admit that, but you live and you learn.

@muddymo7641

4 ай бұрын

And lie? No

1969 Man lands on the moon! 2024 man lands on the moon, sideways. Lol.

@reptilexcq2

4 ай бұрын

And also man was burned to death because of gasoline leak from sideway fueled by fire.

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

Give that man a Darwin award! Lol

Why didn't you say this from the start? Why hold back until the stock market is closed?

@Boxersteavee

4 ай бұрын

If you waited to the end he explained why they thought it was upright initially. With the low data rate, they didn't actually get correct data for quite some time. I doubt they deliberately waited

@juicechronicled2451

4 ай бұрын

that's a scapegoat, sir. they had plenty of time to update us via the press or social media. they were posting up a storm during the mission and went silent all day until the press conference to gaslight us with semantics@@Boxersteavee

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

@@Boxersteavee Right. I'm surprised he admitted they had a "low data rate" early on. Makes it all the more suspicious that they would claim it landed upright, knowing good and well how limited that data was. Seems like a good way to buy time to get plenty of stocks off your hands, rather than actually waiting for the data to come in before making proclamations. In the end, I see this little oversight costing their company 10's if not a hundred million or more in value. I know I'll be shorting at every opportunity for a while.

@user-vt4gb6qu8i

4 ай бұрын

Bro lost his fortune 😂😂😂😅

And NASA did this over 50 years ago flawlessly with humans onboard and used the same vehicle to travel back to earth with enough fuel?? Very interesting.

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

Yes, Apollo knew better than to try to slide the spacecraft to a stop.

that's great progress, the data, lessons learnt, are all gonna hugely benefit their next missions. i would say it's golden that they got hitches and a tipover on this mission for the next will surely benefit alot. kudos👏👏

Strikes me that wide legs and anti-tipping software to use the RCS thrusters to force the craft to remain upright are essential.

@garryb6218

4 ай бұрын

Six legs are three too many, this was simple, like a pedestal on a telescope. WTF

@Phoenix8Rising

4 ай бұрын

Where are the thrusters on the vehicle?🤔

@buddypage11

4 ай бұрын

They need a less vertically oriented design, like the successful landers have. Spread out the mass and lower the center of gravity.

@trainsplanesmore

4 ай бұрын

You could also just get as much of the hardware towards the bottom of the spacecraft as possible.

@Afterburner

4 ай бұрын

@@buddypage11 - that too... There is a reason the Apollo LEM was so successful ;>)

I find it hard to hear them talking about "soft landing" when they actually tipped over :( Russia actually soft-landed the Luna 9 58 years ago AND sent pictures within 7 hours. What happened ever since :(

@bobbybaratheon1230

4 ай бұрын

It was a soft landing since it’s still functioning. They’re prolly enduring the craft is still functioning before taking pictures Also Russia’s last moon mission completely crashed into the lunar surface and that was last years. Compared to that this is an even bigger success

@falklumo

4 ай бұрын

@aratheon1230 Tell this your airline carrier after your plane tipped over ... A crash is a crash - in this case it crashed a rock, it appears. Moreover, I certainly do not suggest the Russians are any way better of; luckily for Ukraine. My point is that the West suffers from a similar (although smaller) regression. Without the fortunate exception of Elon's, it would be much worse even.

@bobbybaratheon1230

4 ай бұрын

@@falklumo Except this is not an aircraft liner. This is an unmanned probe landing 300,000 km away on a celestial body with no atmosphere and entirely reliant on controls from another planet. I understand frustration with the mission and I can even see why you’d think the company behind it is shady, but the mission itself was a success and it’s an important step for future colonization of the moon. Remember that the Apollo missions had horrific tragedies that ended with multiple astronauts dying and even the Space Shuttles had disasters. It’s important to point out failings to be sure but the overall mission to put a lander on the moon and transmit data back to earth succeeded. Just like India, China, and Japan’s missions

@cesargomez2527

4 ай бұрын

Monday I will pick up my leftovers in the stock, probably will go down to pennys. Unless they show some real pictures which I doubt it.

@gpawood0193

4 ай бұрын

@@bobbybaratheon1230mission WAS NOT A SUCCESS, NASA’S experiments will not be completed! Again taxpayers did not get their money’s worth, but Biden’s NASA MOUTHPIECE claims success.😢😢😢

Amazing that the Apollo 11 lunar lander didn't tip over 55 years ago

@TheJollyGreen

4 ай бұрын

Apollo missions were manned by professional and highly trained pilots that could see and feel what they were doing, making adjustments both expected and on-the-spot as they went. Benefits of having humans onboard ya know?

@user-ku7jn6fc6g

4 ай бұрын

@@user-uz8ou7uy5q Amazing that you automatically blamed minorities and women with zero evidence. Get that racist bull outa here. NASA has been diverse for decades.

@captain_britain

4 ай бұрын

They probably shouldn't have designed the Odysseus lander like a fridge with legs, LOL

@avronaut

4 ай бұрын

@@captain_britain That`s it! 😁

@conspiracynutcase7223

4 ай бұрын

Yes....

seems India still holds the title for landing craft in upright position in South pole of moon

@Fightback2023

4 ай бұрын

India didn't land on the South Pole of the moon. 400 miles away from South Pole is not South Pole..

@HrithikSD4368

4 ай бұрын

India landed at around 70° S, Nova-c around 84° S

@Fightback2023

4 ай бұрын

@gadidakodaka effectively a same? Then China could have claimed to landed on the South Pole of the moon...Perfectly in one attempt.

@Fightback2023

4 ай бұрын

@gadidakodaka look, I am not trying to discredit anyone's achievement, but don't give out misinformation just for the glory sake.

@carcinogen60yearsago

4 ай бұрын

​@gadidakodaka And what happened to india's first lander? Definitely didn't do this well.

SLIM: “Hey, buddy! you did a beautiful landing in tempo with me!!”

They purposely didn’t say shit and took advantage of the stock market price. They bought up and shorted the stocks just prior to disclosing what happened. They got rich

@sciptick

4 ай бұрын

That would be against the law, and the SEC would prosecute them.

@W4r10ckm4n

4 ай бұрын

@@sciptick Correct, every employee in the company is probably in a blackout period when it comes to buying & selling company stocks to protect against this exact scenario. If they went through an outer organization, they will 100% be prosecuted by the SEC because their SSN is tied to their employer tax ID. And they will be examined.

@underscore6071

4 ай бұрын

They landed on the moon and you cry in the comments.

@acrobat471

4 ай бұрын

​@underscore6071 No, they crashed on the moon. Not an achievement.

@AdvaiticOneness1

4 ай бұрын

​@@underscore6071 It was very fishy live streaming yesterday, they didn't even shared the live decent data to the public meanwhile ISRO, JAXA was able to do this !

So, it didn't work. It was a good effort by a small commercial company but, however you want to explain it, we still haven't landed safely on the moon in more than 50 years. Better luck next time.

@user-gu4gg6pe8t

4 ай бұрын

Exactly...it looks as if they should be thankful it wasn't a manned mission.

@MagicRoosterBluesBand

4 ай бұрын

@Somethinghumble

4 ай бұрын

It's not like they broke the whole thing. Lunar grav is forgiving. The robotics mission should still go off without a hitch paving the way eventually for Martian missions. The problem that I see is that they've inadvertently coated a good portion of their craft in lunar dust. This fine shard like dust is actually one of the most problematic aspects of moon missions. It's magnetized and powder like and accelerates the deterioration of whatever it's coming into contact with. And now it's coating their ridiculously expensive hardware because they literally forgot to turn a safety off for the range finder. Doh! Someone's getting fired.

Well, well. So, we had a train wreck on the moon. It has been all too quiet since yesterday. I wonder how much Intuitive Machines stock was sold before they released the true state of the lander.

@devastatZor

4 ай бұрын

About 30%

@dougaldouglas8842

4 ай бұрын

The lie. No footage, all talked into being

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

I admit, he looked/sounded nervous/guilty the entire presentation, like a teenage kid who took their parents car for a joy ride and doesn't want to explain how careless they were or how much damage was caused.

@BonFShaw

4 ай бұрын

@@Rick-the-Swift Scott Manley has now said that they delayed their admission until after the stock market closed. Guilty!

I was watching around 5:00 and looking at my phone. The stock price was going down in real time as he was talking lmaoooo. Brutal

@AdvaiticOneness1

4 ай бұрын

Lol this would have happened yesterday if they had shared the live data screen! Very unprofessional act by the company and NASA!

@SOR-05

4 ай бұрын

@@AdvaiticOneness1 what did NASA do?

@captain_britain

4 ай бұрын

@@SOR-05 They sponsored the project, and hosted the most-viewed livestream of the landing (or more accurately, of the control room)

@szabolcsjobbagy30

4 ай бұрын

Wasn't the press conference scheduled after the stock market closing time?

@juicechronicled2451

4 ай бұрын

@@szabolcsjobbagy30 lol, no. they started the morning saying they're coordinating an appropriate time

Great information provided! Thank you to all of the teams. Exciting times. I’m especially interested in the plasma and electron data that will come back to us! Congratulations!!

I wonder if IM management and design engineers happened to read NASA Technical note D-2027 titled "Characteristics Of A Lunar Landing Configuration Having Various Multiple-Leg Landing-Gear Arrangements" by Ulysse Blanchard circa 1964?

@MrShobar

4 ай бұрын

Maybe, but the focus here is to make what's old look brand new. This was all done about sixty years ago, but they want to make you believe it's unprecedented.

@enigma51ted

4 ай бұрын

dont be top-heavy, and ensure no horizontal velocity upon touchdown

@qtrfoil

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for that. The IM design has bothered me since I first saw it.

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

"Hey, let's design a lander that looks like a foot locker with 6 spindly legs that would probably blow over on the back porch from a light breeze, and let's try to stick that sucker upright somewhere on the moon's pole where we'll have a heck of a time getting even the simplest instruments to send back data." Brilliant stuff there IM and NASA. Way to impress us with your stupid.

The men and women on those teams that ensured a successful work around of the rangefinder oversight are simply amazing 👍👍 Talk about shining under pressure, so impressive!!!

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

How about we talk about the effort shown by the person that left the interlock disabled on the nav rangefinder before launch?

@NovaCantera

4 ай бұрын

@@stargazer7644 It's best to focus on the amazing work of the engineers that kept this mission going than the one simple mistake that gave them that challenge. Getting things right first time is hard, and in the end, they managed to get quite alot of data from the experiments onboard.

"eh... boss?... doesn't that design look a bit... tippy??? "nah, it will be fine!"

Thank you for your honesty and commitment to the journey...

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

What honesty? They went out of their way not to share any data during the landing, they said it was upright when it wasn't, and their only apparent motivating factor is the stock price.

@diverbrent

4 ай бұрын

@@stargazer7644 ;-) ;-)

This provides huge admiration for those who manually landed on the moon…

@Hereforfun441

4 ай бұрын

Makes you really wonder if they even did honestly, or did they just orbit the moon a few times and have a great story to tell written by Hollywood. Money does amazing things even keeps people mouths shut from telling the truth so ,🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️ I used to believe. But know yeah, I'm not real sure they put a man on there. They probably just crashed another craft into it to take some close up pictures and sent them to the Photoshop lab 😂 Nothing would surprise me with the 💩 humans do.

@AerialRCFun

4 ай бұрын

Manually sounds like an actual person manipulating controls as in remotely piloted vehicle. Not the case here I'm sure. It landed with it's onboard computers totally.

@jijilr

4 ай бұрын

You mean studios

@DarkenedOne55

4 ай бұрын

@@AerialRCFun He is talking about during Apollo the astronauts manually landed the Apollo lander on the moon.

@enjay4251

4 ай бұрын

😂😂 you still believe that anyone landed on the moon

As I said in the original video during the landing, this gives a flavor of that old movie "Capricorn One" with the spins and deceptions coming.

@clives344

4 ай бұрын

Seems to be not as successful as we were first told.

This is why mockups of starship standing upright scare the f out of me, that is way more likely to tip over than this. PLus the Indian one fell over as well, we need much squatter designs.

@mdjey2

4 ай бұрын

Just what I thought.

@-108-

4 ай бұрын

Perhaps, something a bit... less... pointy?

@slothomatic

4 ай бұрын

I think it makes a big difference having a human pilot vs. an autonomous system.

@falklumo

4 ай бұрын

The starship will have been tested to land on Earth by then. Much harder than the moon. Moreover, all these lunar landers tipping over just is a testament that engineers aren't anymore what they used to be. Really!

@bobatesomemayo

4 ай бұрын

*Japanese

Retired Engineer, It fell over because it has six(6) legs, Telescopes, tripods for years and years all have three(3) legs, Why six legs, one(1) landed on a big bolder and the whole damn thing fell over, DA

@meybo111

4 ай бұрын

It has 3

@clives344

4 ай бұрын

Its way too tall what were they really thinking at 4 metres.

@jijilr

4 ай бұрын

Clearly it must need 7

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

they should have just given it two legs, and made it a little taller, while holding a basketball and called it "Kareem" rather than "Odie".

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

It didn't land on a boulder, the spacecraft was sliding sideways when it touched down. And Apollo didn't have 3 legs.

25:20 . . . Nominal Landing Velocities : Vh ~ 2 mph , Vx,y ~ 0 mph Actual Landing Velocities : Vh ~ 6 mph , Vx,y ~ 2 mph

@larryhack4038

4 ай бұрын

= tip over 😢

@yummybeers

4 ай бұрын

If that’s true, then this was a pretty significant screwup.

@mzhou2727

4 ай бұрын

It’s unfathomable to have a significant horizontal motion component when you have skinny legs rather than wheels or skis. Gotta be unintentional error

@seanlyddy2617

4 ай бұрын

math is hard...lolooooo

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

Designing landers that don't tip is apparently hard- especially when you think tall, skinny and top heavy is the way to go. Maybe when astronuts finally jump on board one of these things, they'll at least receive a Darwin award when the craft tips over and traps them inside.

He starts talking about the tipping over issue at 4:34 I saw a number of people commenting that it looked like it would be difficult to land upright with such a design (in advance of the mission) and lo and behold, it is tipped over. Sometimes the simple obvious things really capture a true problem in design. If you look at the apollo lunar lander its stance is more squat with the legs further apart. Ofcourse it was also navigated by astronauts who reacted to the situation. Makes you wonder how starship will handle the landing on the moon. It has a much large aspect ratio.

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

Just curious but did these guys even do any test flights and landings here on Earth before sending the 100+million pay load to the moon? I haven't seen any footage of such practice runs, like we saw them before they sent Apollo.

@FredPlanatia

4 ай бұрын

@@Rick-the-Swift surely they tested their components, rocket engines, actuators, navigation software simulations, etc. but i don't see how testing the landing of the integrated vehicle on Earth would help them land on the moon. Gravity is 1/6th that of Earth. There is no atmosphere. Totally different conditions. The lander isn't designed to operate in Earth gravity. Edit: I saw a report by Scott Manley on Odysseus landing and the history of this lander. Apparently there was a company before this which did practice landings of a simpler lander on a simulated lunar surface, and when that company went bankrupt a lot of the people ended up at Intuitive Machines, so in a sense there was some knowledge and real world testing done, but afaik not with Odysseus itself.

Given the recent landers that have ended up in awkward positions on landing. Do you think this is a new alien sport like cow tipping???

@40MileDesertRat

4 ай бұрын

You may be on to something.

@FernandoRodriguez-kl3oc

4 ай бұрын

😂😂

@dougaldouglas8842

4 ай бұрын

They are going to have to created footage because someone is going to ask prove it by footage. At present there is no footage to back anything up

@kamakaziozzie3038

4 ай бұрын

Yeah. That’s exactly what’s going on here

Wasn't there supposed to be an ejection of camera balls at 30meters!???

@MrEh5

4 ай бұрын

They delayed it. Guess you didn't watch the video.

Congrats to the IM team! 🎊✨ Look forward to seeing the photos in the coming months and learning from this experience.

Great job on the landing! Really appreciate the candor and truthful disclosure about the tip over. I took the gamble gift and made some low risk grocery money and even kept a few shares just to keep an eye on you guys. You are obviously following the leader with iterations of success along with failure in order to grow knowledgeably through real experience and not just along lines of successful prejudice. The realities of the investing public with publicly traded companies is what it is: Ruthless ! Hoping you continue to build on your integrity and success and learning-failures. Onward.

Thank you so much.. This was the best hour of viewing and listening I’ve had in months! What an incredibly capable team you have built at IM! And thank you NASA for putting this initiative forward so that small companies like IM and others can accelerate our return to the moon and beyond. This program makes use of the greatest aspects of what makes this country great…. Quite simply where there is a will there is a way.. Okay, maybe I’m being a little corny but honestly I learned more about what sensors, navigation, and communications go into space travel than from any other venue. 😊

You fully deserve each of these comments, btw. Quit telling us how many records you set. Your craft is laying on its damn side. Apologize for screwing it up.

Very, very excited and thankful! thank you, men, women and families who helped this happen!! God bless, Adam

It's obvious what the biggest challenge is for all these failed mission : human piloting beats auto pilot in landing on the moon. 6 Apollo landings proved that.

@Derek-je6vg

4 ай бұрын

Surveyor did it without issue… too too heavy - they need a low wide base

@mistertagnan

4 ай бұрын

@@Derek-je6vgyou are aware that surveyor 4 crashed, right? While none of the vehicles tipped over to my knowledge, they still did lose at least one spacecraft during landing

@wattsmichaele

4 ай бұрын

Hahahahahaha…..yeah the Apollo landings and the live camera feeds working so perfectly in the 1960’s……hahahahahahahaa

@sloth316

4 ай бұрын

Give it a few years, ai development is changing the game completely.

@reconn3cted276

4 ай бұрын

Didnt have too many issues going to mars. I think mars is even further 😉

They try to make it sound like it doesn't even matter that it tipped over since they got all they needed before it landed. Stop sugar coating this. We all know that this thing was designed to land upright on the moon and that it it has payloads that depend on a stable orientation on the surface.... for up to two weeks. At the very least, it isn't getting very much solar charging because of the orientation; we all know that the data signals are weak because of the orientation. So please tell us what has been compromised, what will not be working and what will.. Stop sugar coating and just tell us.

@michaelvega1731

4 ай бұрын

You sound so negative sailor-rick, but this was their first mission of this kind. Of course there will be problems at the beginning of any mission of this stature, lets just learn from this and proceed to make the improvements that are necessary to move ahead into the future and succeed!!

@dougaldouglas8842

4 ай бұрын

The footage, wow! was amazing

@sailor-rick

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelvega1731 Sorry! I have become a little oversensitive to all the creativity that has crept into scientific reporting, of late. I'm only negative about the 24 hour whitewashing job, not of the mission's shortcomings. I know that they had to keep their stock prices elevated until the close of the bell in order to mitigate their financial losses and give some of their investors time to sell. Why? Because they are going to need those investors for the next attempt. That makes good sense. I don't accuse them of insider trading or short selling or anything of that nature, but they did engage in some artful verbal articulation of the event utilizing euphemistic descriptives and obfuscation bordering on subterfuge... until the close of Friday's stock markets, at which time they began allowing the term "tipped over" to be used and began listing all of the functions that do not work, which turns out to be most of them. They are supposed to be scientists and for some reason, of late, I have become a little oversensitive to all the creativity that has crept into scientific reporting.

US landed a few surveyors upright on the moon 56 years ago. Guess merit based engineers with large slow mainframe computers was better

@markcaserta1367

4 ай бұрын

The South Lunar Pole is far different than landing in a lunar plain. The lunar plains are mostly flat and have less boulders.

@riseup3117

4 ай бұрын

The new US business model. success is determined by effort not by results. DEI at its finest

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

Mainframe computers? That stuff was designed with slide rules.

Over 50 years ago and we can’t get it right now with all the advances in technology?

@jijilr

4 ай бұрын

They did with studio we must do with soro ai.

They could have added few additional thrusters to straighten.. considering that was the major concern all along

@sloth316

4 ай бұрын

You should go ask them for a job, what a ground breaking idea.

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

Not having it tall and top heavy would have also helped with the tipping concern. Imagine if every car on the road looked like "Odie", how many tip overs there'd be. I'm doubting any of the design engineers lose their job though. That would look bad on the entire company to allow such stupid design concepts to fly. No, they'll have each others backs and blame the retail investors and the institutional shorts when the company tanks, I'm sure of it.

@hitachi9778

4 ай бұрын

Doubling the distance between the legs would have certainly prevented it from tipping over

@criticaldimension1615

4 ай бұрын

@@sloth316 if it is up to engineers, they would surely have come up with a solution... usually bean counters get to the top and mess it up

@criticaldimension1615

4 ай бұрын

@@hitachi9778 even simpler solution is make entire bottom a half sphere... with lower center of gravity, it will stay upright after landing and would be harder to tip

Tim Crain is an amazing technical leader. I've got to say, 47:00 when he talks about last minute repurposing of the NDL lasers, is just top notch spaceflight engineering.

All we really want to know is ... did the Columbia Sportswear's(tm) Fabric experiment survive?

With the instruments and landing jet recessedJust make it round and useable in any position.😊

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

That was actually my thought as well- a giant beach ball shape would have given them a better chance of an upright landing. The Salty Peanuts guy with the top hat and cane design may look cool on paper, but getting it to land upright near the moon's pole is obviously going to be a challenge. Hard to believe they actually went through with even trying it.

This is a momentous event, not only for the technical wizardry and hard work, but for the psychological impact on other potential explorers. We know from history, that once a shared psychological barrier is broken, sailing past the edge of the world, sustained flight or breaking the sound barrier, it creates a tipping point. Sometimes the technical details are never known, but the knowledge that it has happened energizes and inspires other explorers. There is an exponential explosion in innovation and discovery, and it seems we are at that point today. Congrats team!!

That's valuable information moving forward. At a certain altitude, landers are going to need to decend only vertically. Horizontal movement creates the possibility that landing legs can trip over irregular surfaces. I don't want to be a wet blanket, many goals were accomplished on this mission, but this lander configuration always seemed top heavy. This was something that observers had discussed many times before the launch and it ended up being a problem. The overall shape needs reworking for reliability.

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

"At a certain altitude, landers are going to need to decend only vertically." I'm pretty sure that was common engineering knowledge before the first spacecraft landed anywhere.

@rrmoore1

4 ай бұрын

They should have consulted a 6th grader.

@chriswirges5202

4 ай бұрын

And yet, here we are@@stargazer7644 lol.....

This sounds like they still got their work cut out for them. So designing their lander iteratively, I'm sure they'll come up with a tweak to eliminate lateral motion on the next unit. Please keep your head down, but keep your chin up.

Well, it is National Margarita Day. Tipping over goes hand in hand.

@321sandspur

4 ай бұрын

Over tipping? Not so much :)

Excellent coverage !

I was so impressed with this press conference. The reporters asked intelligent and pertinent questions, and there was no prevarication from the IM team. SUCH a pleasant change from the ranting and ignorant talking heads so prevalent on general media today. Thank you for the detailed heads-up everyone, and congratulations to Intuitive Machines for a largely successful first mission so far - notwithstanding the problems. I hope that check-off-preflight-list person does not fail to get that nav' switch set right on the next flight.

We lost vast amounts of experience not going to the moon for over 50 years. Look how hard it has been for all these probes to land correctly on the moon.

@MagicRoosterBluesBand

4 ай бұрын

Or... they never went.

@enjay4251

4 ай бұрын

No one has ever been to the moon because they simply can't, it's all just a massive con

I love the progress humanity is making. Great work ❤

It's an improvement from Japanese lander's upside down posture.

I wouldnt call catching a landing leg on the surface and tipping over and crashing onto a rock a safe landing.

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

We really don't even know if things went that well. After all, they started off saying it landed upright as planned. Maybe next week, we'll find out it blew up before it even hit the moon🤷‍♂

yep you're going to have to make them legs wider. The gravity on the moon is elusive and hard to land something by instruments only

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

Gravity is elusive?

I watched the live stream of the landing and remember one of the telemetry guys say they detected an unexpected roll in the final decent but it was brushed off. They should have paid more attention to it.

Regardless of semantics, it is a miracle it is functional. At walking speed, hitting a glass door sucks, so imagine the inertia of a lander going sideways, smacking the surface.

Why can't one of these gentlemen just Say it- "we messed up"

@saulg-j7435

4 ай бұрын

Ego they can’t bare that fact that they could not pull it off even with modern day computing.

@vincehammons

4 ай бұрын

They think they're smarter than everyone.

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

Because of the stock price.

Phenomenal work!

Only in America is a tipped over lander deemed a 'success'...

@gerry4915

4 ай бұрын

So true.....

@reptilexcq2

4 ай бұрын

To save face because they want the world to believe.

" Hey I know after we installed those imported tiles we cracked a couple. But hey, it still works!" - MF contractors

they made a machine that lands on unknown ground and they can't make it not tip over ? Wouldn't that be its main function, other than its Landing there?

The first thing I thought was: If this thing doesn't tip over. Why wasn't it designed to land on the flat side?

Well , hindsight is always 20/20. Still, am thinking that if the laser mapping system was functioning, this would accident would not have occurred. As the saying goes, space is hard.

@Onequietvoice

4 ай бұрын

... but foresight is a lot cheaper that dealing with problems after the fact.

@sloth316

4 ай бұрын

Stop throwing out buzzwords as if you actually know what’s goes into making one of these and how they work 😂🤦‍♂️

@herbward5240

4 ай бұрын

@@sloth316 53 years in the electronics industry and a 1 year stint as a consultant at ASML. BTW as it turns out, someone forgot to enable the laser interlock switch before IM-1 was installed in its Space X fairing. Lidar not so good in dusty environments , the laser would have been better for reading the terrain.

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

​@@herbward5240 Shhhh! Common folk aren't supposed have any brains which can think for themselves. Just trust that NASA and their corporate sisters will get the job done eventually!

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

It wasn't a laser mapping system. It was a laser altimeter.

Now we have 3 landers toppled over on the moon. The first Indian attempt (destroyed), the Japanese (worked after a while and transmitted images) and now the US lander. The Japanese lander lost a nozzle on the way down but why did Odysseus move so fast laterally? I know both the USSR and the US put a lot of effort into designing both their uncrewed and crewed landers to not topple over, and to the best of my knowledge this never happened. Has that knowledge been lost by 2024?

@Lilith218

4 ай бұрын

I think the scientists who worked in the era of lunar landings are no longer active. The new generation has no clue of what they're doing.

@reptilexcq2

4 ай бұрын

Yes, this knowledge is lost. But can be found inside the Great Pyramid lol.

Certified Kerbal Moment

Very accurately, a large ship landed on a small one. Bravo. And when they sent a small ship to the moon, I did not see the launch.

the physical safety switch was enabled and that was the whole problem for the laser not function, it will work next time!

This explain why there was no realtime animation or live images! Meanwhile ISRO and JAXA has done a very awesome job with providing the live updates to the public by sharing their live data screen! This kind of unprofessional action was not expected from the company/ NASA! No wonder why there was no hype about this yesterday!

@SOR-05

4 ай бұрын

What does NASA have to do with the way the landing was presented?

@reptilexcq2

4 ай бұрын

America want the world to believe they're still leading in space race lol. They might even fake the image coming up, to save face.

So basically chandrayaan 3 was successful when it came to proper landing

Wow🎉 congratulations..again!!

For $100,000 consulting fee I would have told them it was top-heavy...

This is the same look my narcasistic foster dad would hold while BSing whoever he was lying to.

@dougaldouglas8842

4 ай бұрын

But the miles of footage, and how amazing to see it land, and then tip over. Sod! No footage, so no truth evidenced, all a lie

@Rick-the-Swift

4 ай бұрын

I kept thinking something similar- looked like a criminal who was clearly denying any criminal doing.

Excellent job of IM on landing Odysseus on the Moon. I heard at least 2 times Odysseus performed flawlessly and this type of landing approach will be used in the future for Artemis missions. 2 remarks however: Not flawlessly since at least one system attitude/control failed. The IM Laser Range Finder with several mirrors failed and switched to the Nasa Lidar. 2nd point: if the spacecraft tipped over is to be confirmed how can this be flawless and be reused for future landings. I guess a manned module tipping over, even though it is a soft landing is still a failure since I can't see how to recover from horizontal to vertical attitude and/or eject from lunar surface back to the Gateway. None the less an incredible mission and achievement.

Question, How are you able to get pictures of the landed space craft? Did the camera that was ejected on decent to the moon work?

you don't need to be a genius to figure out that plates don't tip over but glasses do. the lander should have been designed more like a plate.

@TriVyteOfficial

4 ай бұрын

Google the diameter of available payload on the F9.. doesnt take a genius

@moonbritegarbanzo9584

4 ай бұрын

@@TriVyteOfficial ok. payload diameter 17 ft. payload height 43 ft. landing legs folded inside rocket 43 ft long, unfolded to land roughly 80 ft plus 17 ft equal 97 ft diameter. should be able to get a pretty stable tip-proof lander within that wide a vehicle.

@TriVyteOfficial

4 ай бұрын

@moonbritegarbanzo9584 easy to tell you know nothing when making that many failure points is considered a good idea.

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

Let us know when you figure out how to put a plate shaped spacecraft into a rocket fairing. It doesn't matter what shape it is if you can't get it to the moon.

So why not fire the thrusters to see if it can be righted after all the science is done? Why not see if it can be done? At that point what have they got to lose trying?

@86309

4 ай бұрын

because they are smarter than that.

@HerbivorousFuture

4 ай бұрын

Because it landed on a real moon and not on a Kerbal one.

@wilsonj4705

4 ай бұрын

Yeah they might lose the spacecraft. Oh wait, it be dead in a little while anyway. It may not work but why not try to learn something by trying?

@trucksanddirt1506

4 ай бұрын

Because it chased and it's dead

@W4r10ckm4n

4 ай бұрын

Didn't they say they used the helium to pressurize the liquid ox and liquid methane? So when the lander tipped over, it probably shot the rest of it out as the liquid settled on the new bottom of the tanks(now the sides). They probably don't have any left lmao

Congratulations ❤🎉

Maybe we should build landers without legs. Anyone who plays kerbal knows its a bugger to land upright.

With two landers tipping over, we want to send people to the moon in a very tall rocket!

Kudos to the whole Intuitive Machine team. Brilliant work and excellent management of issues during flight. Next time it will land upright.

This is why NASS today isn’t NASA of 50 years ago. Rather than come out and celebrate at length everything that went well, 50 years ago they’d rattle off a few sentences about what went right, then a few sentences about what went wrong, then they would take questions.

@sloth316

4 ай бұрын

Do you realise this was a massive success right? The fact it’s not upright doesn’t change or hinder anything whatsoever.

@yummybeers

4 ай бұрын

@@sloth316 55 years ago humans landed on the moon, upright, with about one 1 billion as much computing power.

@sloth316

4 ай бұрын

@@yummybeers You’re so naive it’s not even worth a proper reply 😂🤦‍♂️

@DeathlyDavid

4 ай бұрын

​@@yummybeers...casually glossing over the fact that the apollo lunar rovers had advanced biological computers (human pilots) is wildly disingenuous. IM landed on the moon with a silicon brain and a shoestring budget.

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

This isn't NASA. This is a private company's spacecraft. NASA didn't build or fly this.

The Japanese one fell upside down, the American one fell on its side... It is necessary to put a manipulator leg on the belt of the ship (in the center of mass), which can move around the belt and extend. She will put the module vertically.

A not unexpected result, at least according to my experience in KSP with tall vs wide landers. :D

@JoeyBlogs007

4 ай бұрын

Good point. They are numbskulls.

@clives344

4 ай бұрын

Yes what were they thinking

What was the physically tested tipping angle? I had seen enough of academia.. paper doesn't get a job done... 24th September 2007 at the International Conference of the Moon I raised the question of why non academics are no longer involved.. the answer I received was dismissive.. later at the buffet.. a number of 'highly paid people' deliberately made quiet nasty comments.. one was I would never work again. They didn't know I had already left. Except.. there was one person who said "I liked your question" .. that was Prof Laurence A Taylor.. we talked most of the evening and he placed a sample in my hand that Apollo 11 brought back. He had put a sample in a microwave.. yep a Lunar Sample.. and found it fused together, a simple solution to many problems. Laurence was geologist on 16 & 17 for Harrison 'Jack' Smitt. When you look at the Moon you see light and dark grey, one is a type of Sand the other is Iron Granules..

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

The problem wasn't the tipping angle, the problem was the horizontal velocity.

@mySeaPrince_

4 ай бұрын

@@stargazer7644 Had they factored in that it needed to be completely stationary before descending? Thinking about it... how could this be determined .. can ground radar detect traveling along a smooth surface.. plus any dust kicked up might confuse things.. Wheels are not a perfect idea.. Dropping a transmitter when say at 50ft would hit the ground and become stationary then the craft can determine if it's moving away from it. With Apollo, ground track apart from site suitability was the reason for human intervention... I don't know why they wanted to automate so much of the system. Amusingly they had designed the landings to be harder, there's a sort of crumple box in each leg.. but the pilots landed soft .. that's why they had a bit of a jump at the bottom of the ladder... Apollo had thought though almost every possibility.. it was the culture.. there were question's raised after about only the one person considering the possibility of 1201/1202. Question is.. how did the automated Apollo Landers before 11 do it.. I know 8 and the others needed to spot and photograph them to see if they had sunk into the surface and one mission visited one. Ha... Just thought throw a drag anchor out on a long bit of string, maybe put a strain gauge on it. The transmitter seems the most sensible, several would be better.. if they were sprinkled in the area during orbit before the descent faze they could triangulate....

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

@@mySeaPrince_ Apollo used radar to determine vertical and horizontal speed and altitude.

@mySeaPrince_

4 ай бұрын

@@stargazer7644 With human intervention for landing... I am aware of radar for altitude but not for speed.

This is historic everything is amazing are technology is the best will share photos in the next couple months to prove it

When I saw what the lander looked like my first gut feeling was...."a little top heavy with the hexagonal cylinder." Apollo 11 Lander was 15,103kg. The Odysseus Lander is only 1908kg. Could have been a factor on that 'soft' landing.

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

What does the mass have to do with it?

@starexplorers1202

4 ай бұрын

@@stargazer7644 A larger mass and a lander with a lower center of gravity would be harder to tip over. IMO.

@stargazer7644

4 ай бұрын

@@starexplorers1202Actually the more mass there is, the more inertia it'll have, and the bigger the rotational moment will be when it hits something going sideways at a given speed. And that scales up with the square of the difference between the mass and the weight. So it'll be even worse on the moon than it would be on Earth. Lowering the CG would help, as would making the legs farther out. I don't see how you can tell where the CG is just by looking. And the legs are already wider than the thing is tall. The solution here is to land vertically.

@starexplorers1202

4 ай бұрын

@@stargazer7644 I do not know how the weight of the Odysseus Lander is distributed from the bottom to the top (it's moment of inertia or axis of rotation) but the Moon is surrounded by a vacuum, therefore the only force acting on the lander is the gravitational force or weight. Since height affects inertial forces I would assume the height of the Lander would greatly affect any soft landing. Remote landings are extremely difficult to begin with. Nothing beats the experience of a pilot who can judge those things on the spot like Niels Armstrong had to do on Apollo 11. We can't see those rocks here on Earth. They did an awesome job nonetheless. I hope they can carry out at least some of their experiments.

the legs of this toy looks more stable than the cgi of the refrigerator with wiry legs that toppled on the moon

Crazy nobody thought of a plan in case it tipped... 😂

@enigma51ted

4 ай бұрын

isnt it obvious than any moon-lander - when touching down on lunar soil....should have ZERO horizontal velocity whatsoever at moment of touchdown - anything else results in a Tipover.. Same fate as the Indian probe.

@The_Quadfather

4 ай бұрын

You would think tipping would be at the top of the failsafe checklist considering there is a chance you could be coming in hot. A simple retractable arm to right itself would have been cost effective.

@SOR-05

4 ай бұрын

It is better to design the lander to still work while tipped over rather than adding a heavy and complex system to right it.

@dougaldouglas8842

4 ай бұрын

And no one thought to put a camera on the outside, as with the Apollo missions, so as to verify moon landing

Once again a lander tipped over :(... I think it was a bit too tall

@michaellicavoli3921

4 ай бұрын

Like 14 feet tall!

@Derek-je6vg

4 ай бұрын

Go back and review surveyor - this isn’t hard!

@_MaxHeadroom_

4 ай бұрын

Just imagine Starship trying to land 😅😅😅

@clives344

4 ай бұрын

@@_MaxHeadroom_lessons learned maybe

This reminds me of the Armstrong & Aldrin movie. Can't you perhaps send someone with a camera over there to shoot us some video?

IT CRASHED.....CAMERAS BROKEN.....NO IMAGES......EPIC FAIL.

@dougaldouglas8842

4 ай бұрын

No images of it coming down. Laugh! The king is wearing some amazing clothes today

I know it has been 2 days (earth) since Nova -C landing was accomplished, however this intuitive Team has been simply remarkable and performed their duties very well even in tense situations. They exceeded their mission's tasks so far. The public can make fun and say jokes about what has happened but, can they have done a better job if presented in the same circumstances?? I doubt it! Gentlemen keep doing GOOD work. Americans are proud of your performance so far. 😁👍

Congratulations on your first successful press conference in over fifty years.