"Hiding secret sorrow", so very true. Thank you!

@dagwould

8 ай бұрын

Perhaps all of us live with secret sorrow. We lead broken lives in a broken world...awaiting eagerly the redemption of all creation!

It's great to see the participation of a Pentecostal theologian (A.J Swoboda) in this podcast.

Thanks brothers in Christ

Dr Wright's answer about how to deal with questions that bother you - park them and pray them - is fascinating because when I couldn't get my head around what he was saying about the Cross (to which Romans 8 is actually the key, in the context set by Romans 7), I eventually prayed that I would accept and park the question, expecting it to be a long time if ever before I was able to answer it, only to find that I 'got it' only a few weeks later - perhaps crucially, while no longer trying and worrying about it. A reflection regularly used by the Northumbria Community in their daily prayers - which contains the phrase 'live the question and one day, unexpected, you may find you are living the answer' was a key message through the Spirit to me on this.

Thank you Dr. Swoboda & Dr. Gupta for having this interview with NT Wright! Such a joy listening to 3 amazing pastors & scholars!

@dagwould

8 ай бұрын

Tom's book collection looks like the winner of the three.

Good to hear Wright once again speak on Romans 8

Thank you for the question about what in Roman’s still keeps N.T. Wright up at night (21:51). I love his answer, to put things that do not seem to make sense on a shelf, where it can be seen, and then pray about it, and it may take time, but the answer will come. That is such a healthy perspective. I really love N.T. Wright’s calm assurance, even while acknowledging that other commentators disagree with him.

I love all the references Prof Wright makes to other works scholars. Like verbal footnotes 😀

Fantastic program! Thank you! Dr. Wright's passion for sorting out theological issues/puzzles is infectious. Also, your questions were extremely thought provoking.

Wow! So good!

Fantastic discussion, gentlemen!

@youngrevival9715

5 ай бұрын

Great to see you here, close to 20k

We desperately need an updated romans commentary by N. T. Wright, does anyone know if he is working on one i would pre order it right now

That was a wonderful conversation! Can't wait for the book to come out in my language. I so appreciate all the voices who call out the calvinist interpretation of the text, enough reason for me to instantly subscribe. Thank you guys for having Tom Wright on your show!

He sould sell the image of his study as a background for Zoom/Teams users. Could make a mint.

Good stuff here. Romans is inexhaustible. Note how Paul lures us in with an "us" vs "them" device in Chapter one, "God gave THEM over...", as the set up for the knockout punch of Chapter two: "YOU then are without excuse, since you do the same things." But his theme statement is tucked in there as well: "I am not ashamed of the Gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation, to the Jew first but also to the Greek." And we find this "Jew first but also to the Greek" phrasing echoed a few more times later on. In Chapter 5, he says the same thing, essentially, five times: Just as Adam brought sin, so too Christ brought life. (vv. 15-19) He can be infuriatingly rhetorical, and unclear: "The free gift is not like the transgression," he says before comparing them, noting how they work very much alike. He means that their effects are in opposition, one toward death, the other toward life. Perhaps Paul's Greek was not too good, but this doesn't stop him from rising to rhetorical heights. He is almost always rhetorical, but it seems to be a Judaic, tangential and expansive form of wisdom that he is using, something he might have learned at the feet of Gamaliel, who knows? \

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@21:13. I'm thinking that the 'platonization' of eschatology; which NT often mentions, has its source in the equally common, but far more parlous 'platonization' of creation. I think he's on the money regarding 'heaven' in much of church practice and popular discourse; I'm happy to say that I remember from my teenage years a vague belief in the new creation. I think the Apostles creed might have had a part to play in that. The church has avoided the concrete, grounded content of the scripture by madly platonizing the creation. God has been made almost a deist caricature. Yet the description of creation in Genesis 1 is from the get go the antidote to deism and the platonized creation. Tom talks about God's domain (heaven) and our domain (earth) coming together, but he seems to slip over the fact that the great initial conjunction of heaven and earth is in the creation. Not a platonic or figurative creation, but a real concrete creation that God both overshadows and inter-penetrates, then enters in Christ. This itself underlines and honours God's creation of a material cosmos with earth in it. In fact, we seem to have an almost Gnostic fear of a concrete creation located in history in connection with our history by the work being done by the Word at a tempo marked by the days which mark our lives. Real days. He calibrates them, and uses them in a dependency sequence from the creation of energy (light) onwards. This is perhaps the first move of communion: God shows that he is present and active directly in the world he has made for his creature as the place of communion of they with him and in the concrete terms of the world that he made concretely for that very purpose (concrete as opposed to figurative or conceptual or idealist). The glory of communion of creature and creator comes to its apogee and tragic nadir in Genesis 3:8: God seeking to join communion with his creatures in his image (and thus enabled to commune with propositional content) and finds the opportunity dashed by their rejection of the opportunity. I think this approach to Genesis 1 is not fundamentalist, but the most exciting; spine tinglingly full of joy and the portent of much greater to come. It is consistent with the God who made the material creation to take joy in it and celebrate that by creating in the terms of the creation and by his direct word. Thus, while not fundamentalist, the creation should bear the marks of this creation...as against a deist 'creation' where 'god' is remote, or an evolutionary 'creation' where 'god' is merged into the creation, panentheistically and almost 'paneverytingistly' to use Schaeffer's aptly coined word. Being in his image, we also create by word. Only, as material creatures we use our hands to deliver the idea we have: our word made material while God's word made flesh! Thus the 'days' constitute the frame-of-reference for our concrete congress with God, and his direct (by Christ) participation in his creation. They contextualize all subsequent contact between God and man: the theophanies, the prophets, 'miracles' and the incarnation, in our world marked by a uniformity of natural causes in an **open** system, to again borrow Schaeffer's term.

"A good translation of the Psalms". Suggestions?

@London_miss234

9 ай бұрын

King James Version (KJV) and New Revised Standard Version (NRSV).

@yargila

8 ай бұрын

The book of psalms translated with commentary by Robert Alter.

@marciandjohn6320

8 ай бұрын

Thank you

@lowe7471

7 ай бұрын

@@yargilaAnything by Alter is worth our time. An excellent author and interpreter.

Jesus was born to impersonate his Father having God's Spirit at baptism, Jesus is witness to his Father to suit Deuteronomy 18:18, and God is witness to Jesus the Messiah. Reconciliation with God through faith in Jesus to have access to eternal life in heaven, only from a love of God and his laws, and grace for grace in the obedience of faith.

Romans is meant to rebut hypocrisy in the church, to the hypocrisy of the circumcision whose sin brings them into unbelief in the eyes of God, and the hypocrisy of Gentile converts whose sin is due to false idea that grace is a licence to sin. Paul uses Romans 8 to explain the change of mind required else those baptised will fail, there must be a true love of God which is to be positioned in Christ, and to be in communion with the Holy Ghost as our witness. Romans 8 carries a stark warning to supposed believers of backsliding into sin, to both born again circumcision or Gentiles, as they might be under the statute of the fear of death for sin. Romans 5 to 8 is the solution for sinners as it is baptism into a covenant of promise, and the manner of life expected. I have a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity' and most are found in Romans.