Intimations of Creativity | Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman | EP 177

This episode was recorded on April 13th 2021
On this episode of the Jordan Peterson Podcast, Jordan is joined by Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman. Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman is a cognitive scientist exploring the limits of human potential. He hosts the very popular podcast 'The Psychology Podcast'. He is an author, editor, and co-editor of nine books including his newest 'Transcend: The New Science of Self Actualization'.
Dr. Kaufman and Jordan discussed cognitive science, behavioral study, and Humanism. They also touched on many points including IQ. tests, personality traits, aggression in hierarchy, dating intelligence, self-actualization, long-form media, and much more.
Find more Scott Kaufman on his website scottbarrykaufman.com/, in his books, and on his podcast show The Psychology Podcast
The Jordan B Peterson Podcast can be found at www.jordanbpeterson.com/podcast/
[0:00] Intro
[0:18] Jordan introduces this episodes guest, Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, an expert in cognitive science research
[3:00] Starting things off by looking at the combination of cognitive science and the humanist tradition coming together in Dr. Kaufman's new book 'Transcend'
[6:30] Kaufman’s experience studying IQ and intelligence in great depth
[13:00] After mastering the psychometric approach to intelligence, Dr. Kaufman continued new studies with Dr. Robert Sternberg looking at multiple types of intelligence
[20:30] Jordan outlines the difficulty in separating different types of intelligence completely the standard IQ measurement
[24:00] Dr. Kaufman acknowledges the general accuracy of the IQ test, but also brings up some of the limitations that have been found with the IQ and similar tests
[30:30] The linkage between an individual's openness to experience and transcend mystical experiences such as taking mushrooms. Jordan draws a correlation between openness and the ability to intuit multiple personalities
[36:00] Postulating on human’s astonishing ability for mimicry. Exploring the instincts that might drive mimicry as an adaptation mechanism
[40:00] Investigation of openness’s effect on political viewpoint. Personality is a highly accurate determining factor
[46:00] Circling back to the topic of Humanism
[50:00] Dr. Kaufman is updating and clarifying Maslow with his new book
[1:00:00] Mapping different self-actualization character traits onto The Big Five,. The Big Five personality traits are extraversion, agreeableness, openness, conscientiousness, and neuroticism
[1:06:30] Does increased aggression lead to stable human societal hierarchies? Jordan asserts this is absolutely not the case
[1:10:30] Dr. Kaufman's book, 'Dating Intelligence Unleashed'. Jordan and Scott discuss mating patterns in men and women
[1:21:30] Sex differences towards abuse of power by individuals high in the social hierarchy. Getting into the topics of mentorship and transcendence
[1:29:00] The transition from naivety, to cynicism, to courage. How does a compassionate person committed to truth deal with the power games that play out in conversation?
[1:39:30] Practicing attention to what is and not thinking/interpreting but observing truth unfold as an essential learned skill
[1:45:00] Scott talks about his podcast and long-form type media, changes to learning and universities coming in the future
[1:59:30] Wrapping up the show
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    @davyroger3773

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hell Yeah Edit: Just to add, it would also be advantageous to exclusively get the guests who are intellectually stimulating. Unlike cough cough Nicole Arbour

  • @philanthropicnightmare1206

    @philanthropicnightmare1206

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not just you. I also think it shows how many interesting people are out there. They don’t need to be famous.

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    @angelonigiannis8503

    2 жыл бұрын

    Totally agree. I feel like we're so lucky that Jordan is back. That he fights his issues to be able to do these things for our betterment. We're blessed.

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    @michaelz6555

    2 жыл бұрын

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    2 жыл бұрын

    Amazing publicist he has.

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    No going to lie, this is crushing Rogans podcast and I'm a big fan of Joe.

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    @smash8865

    2 жыл бұрын

    Joe has learned a better interview style but jordan has a deeper interest and focus. His guests and subjects are probably more specific, Rogan kinda hangs out and speaks more ad lib.

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    2 жыл бұрын

    The approach is much more educational in it's core, makes it very good to watch/listen to.

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    2 жыл бұрын

    I was thinking the same thing . Like Jordan’s podcast is very educational and he asks more critical questions .

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    2 жыл бұрын

    Rogan was a big support to jordan when he was being attacked. Joe is joe ..love him or hate him his pod has always been there for the unfairly attacked underdog . Of course joe and dr Jordans pods are different .Jordan is an academic

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    @mohamedmohamedmahmoud7518

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah absolutely man . I really like Joe don’t get me wrong . I’ve watched almost every episode of his podcast . He’s very quick and pays a lot of attention to his guest’s line of thinking. Also I would say that he corrects and fact-check his guests a lot which is good !!! I just think Jordan has more of an academic background which I guess helps him get a lot more info from his guests .

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    2 жыл бұрын

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    @raulespino2776

    2 жыл бұрын

    I second this. So true. I was in was is considered one of the best universities in Spain in psychology, but came to the same conclusion after listening to this podcast and others like Dr. Andrew Huberman's podcast.

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    @rampartranger7749

    2 жыл бұрын

    We are here, taking his lectures! ….For free!

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    2 жыл бұрын

    same

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    @gnu7839

    2 жыл бұрын

    Part of what they discovered was: It doesn't matter where you are educated. KZread gives good educator's a space to compete for good content. One of the best talkes of Peterson I have seen so far!

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    He's looking less frail in each podcast. I think he's well on his way to a full recovery.

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    @serioush

    2 жыл бұрын

    He looks like he's having a good time doing these, that likely helps.

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    @paulnova3287

    2 жыл бұрын

    This was recorded a while ago, back in April. I believe his Michael Malice podcast is the most recent. I like your profile picture, always nice to see a fellow Souls fan.

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    2 жыл бұрын

    At this rate we'll see a JP-Jake Paul fight by the end of 2021.

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    2 жыл бұрын

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    The coolest part of this podcast isn't the incredible discussion but after years of listening to Dr. Peterson, I can follow it at a basic level.

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    @1Plebeian

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nice.

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    @isaacislaughter

    2 жыл бұрын

    Right? I totally agree. Dr P likened the conversation to a "high-level graduate seminar" and I was able to follow along and absorb the discussion without much difficulty, and I am just a "plumber". 😁 Of course I have listened to all of Dr Peterson's lectures over the last four years. So maybe not your average plumber.

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    @nathanaelmorales760

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@isaacislaughter carpenter over here 💪🏼 glad to see others in the field listening to great minds like him 😅

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    @joegreenan

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@isaacislaughter but are you one of those power mad authoritarian plumbers that rove around and enforce power based hierarchy ( he uses plumbers as the example for why power is not the deciding factor but rather competence and always mentions you save more lives than modern medicine 😂)

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    2 жыл бұрын

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    Man, this intro just gets me every time. I smash that like button almost involuntarily before the interviews even start. LIKE

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    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too!! Every person he interviews I know and love. It’s like he picks my favourite people every time!!

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    2 жыл бұрын

    Attn: GOOGLE, Twitter, Facebook, & KZread: I agree with whatever the approved opinion on this subject is. Please don’t cancel me or get me fired. Whatever you tell me to think, I will believe, & I think & believe it more strongly than anyone else.

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    @Tom_Swiss

    2 жыл бұрын

    my fav part: 29:39

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    2 жыл бұрын

    So you're saying that this is a reoccurring love at first sight?

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    New tinder bio: “Highly competent and generous”

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    2 жыл бұрын

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    Add a winking emoji to the end of that and you're golden.

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    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@Rico-ly2mz I'm kidding, but yes, true. No way in hell I'd be on there. To further confirm what Jordan said, it's far too laborious to sift through the high percentage of chaff :P

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    2 жыл бұрын

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  • @7BigJoe7
    @7BigJoe72 жыл бұрын

    What an excellent model of how two deeply qualified researchers can communicate. I want an ongoing series of conversations between these two.

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    @4acrehobbytfarm

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes!! How about the greats of our day-like these two-get together like the Inklings. CS Lewis, JRR Tolkien’s great thinkers

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    @willgreen6787

    2 жыл бұрын

    What does deeply qualified mean to you?

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    If I ever get to meet JBP, I would not tell him how he saved my life, I was already more or less on the right path when I found him. I would tell him how I used his teachings, especially the lectures on exposure therapy, to save my friends life, who was on the very edge of literal death.

  • @MrTTnTT

    @MrTTnTT

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nothing so extreme here, but I've also found tremendous value in Maps of Meaning after Peterson graciously gave it away for free in 2016. That book has been very influential on my thinking, as is reflected in how I have basically cited it (for different things) in everything I've written since, studying religion, media, music and philosophy over 5 years in academia. I suspect that like how Peterson says the field is still catching up with Gray & McNaughton's Neuropsychology of Anxiety, the field is just starting to catch up with Peterson's Maps of Meaning now, about 20 years later. I think you can see this reflected in Vervaeke's content, particularly the interview with the guy who tried to integrate Peterson's work with relevance realization. (This is not a dig at Vervaeke but an assumption that he is reflective of Cognitive Science; His work is great, too.)

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    @CapriceWalker

    2 жыл бұрын

    ❤️😎

  • @LilaSilk
    @LilaSilk2 жыл бұрын

    A plesant person Scott is and I was under the impression that he is constantly questioning his thoughts, or understanding. He has this childlike innocence and enthusiasm and the expression of pure joy in his laughters. Love to have a professor like him. Appart from that the information gained from this podcast is so valued thank you to both of you, especially Dr Peterson. Ever since I heard you for the first time, I knew I appreciate your ability to convert feelings into meaning and I look up to you in awe of your expertise and courage. From my personal experience I agree that awe is the reason for imitation.

  • @unreal9823

    @unreal9823

    2 жыл бұрын

    Being with an expert as exceptional as Jordan, it's the perfect environment to openly explore and question one's thoughts. A strength not a weakness :)

  • @markrussell3428

    @markrussell3428

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well captured!. My impression as well but you articulate it better than i would have.

  • @dockovacs4089
    @dockovacs40892 жыл бұрын

    It is so nice to watch Dr. Peterson's personality cone back. He continues to be more animated, engaged, and his facial expressions of increasing complexity. It buoys me!

  • @callmeishmael7452

    @callmeishmael7452

    2 жыл бұрын

    And it’s those qualities that he employs so expertly to get his point across, sometimes allowing his message to be extremely complex as he is an expert in the prosody of the voice.

  • @BenBigelow3
    @BenBigelow32 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate Barry’s candor and gentleness. He’s a smart man. I had an “aha” moment for myself. Jordan is just being himself. And it’s a gift to the world. Keep them coming and we’ll keep enjoying.

  • @darrickbunn3087
    @darrickbunn30872 жыл бұрын

    First time commenting on anything ever. Glad I was able to be one of the first as well!)! Didn’t listen yet but am always excited to hear from my man and learn something new just about every day. I’m a construction worker and his intelligent, though provoking conversations keep me sane through the repetitive tasks. Much appreciated doctor!

  • @johnmcelroy5804

    @johnmcelroy5804

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sevilliane Peterson has a suggested reading list on his website, if that's what you are asking.

  • @johnmcelroy5804

    @johnmcelroy5804

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sevilliane I think that's what gets a lot of people in trouble today. If you were to focus on a particular issue, you will start seeing things from that perspective. That's what CRT does, it focuses on race excluding all other factors, including the underlying human psychology. I think developing a foundational structure that is broad in it's scope and specific in individual development of the self creates a foundation through which these issues can be viewed objectively. But hey, that's just me. I take the majority of my views from a biblical perspective with influences from people who have examined the world from a philosophical and scientific style critical thinking perspective.

  • @tylergibbs3106
    @tylergibbs31062 жыл бұрын

    As a 47 yesr old American Male, after watching this convo in its entirety, I’m compelled to comment on how impressed I am with this content. As I’m sure Dr Peterson would appreciate, I was in “Awe” of his ability to answer Dr Kaufman’s seemingly genuine questions about responding to uncomfortable situations. I’m serious, this conversation (albeit over my education level in the beginning) was truly educational in a practical way that I will carry with me. So, thank you gentleman; well done.

  • @guitardadsinc
    @guitardadsinc2 жыл бұрын

    What are the chances we can hope to get Dr.Thomas Sowell on here while we are still fortunate enough to have him here with us in the world of the living? That would be a terrible waste if not…

  • @guitardadsinc

    @guitardadsinc

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@steven5054 Thomas Sowell is a puppet for whom exactly?

  • @tomquinn607

    @tomquinn607

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@guitardadsinc Thomas Sowell is one of the most cultured and honest intellectuals of our time. He's a brilliant man and a champion for God given Freedoms for us all.

  • @guitardadsinc

    @guitardadsinc

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tomquinn607 yes I agree , he is a valuable voice now and tomorrow, and I can’t imagine a more interesting intellectual to discuss some the psychosocial ideas JBP is exploring in these discussions.

  • @lukecockburn1140

    @lukecockburn1140

    2 жыл бұрын

    That would be the greatest

  • @guitardadsinc

    @guitardadsinc

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@steven5054 pretty sure you’re alone in that opinion mate. I mean, if you have the intellectual prowess to internally refute Sowell and find your arguments compelling then you surely are a genius, and most likely you’re not and you have no idea how brilliant Dr.Sowell is, because titan intellectuals are intimidated by his wit.

  • @rywilliam20
    @rywilliam202 жыл бұрын

    Jordan’s guests: cracks a joke. Jordan: responds with deadpan seriousness. 😂❤️

  • @kittentacticalwarfare1140

    @kittentacticalwarfare1140

    2 жыл бұрын

    Is even better because when someone laughs or so, he isn't telling them to stop or that is wrong. He just stays in 🦞 mode.

  • @overdressed

    @overdressed

    2 жыл бұрын

    I love it, that just makes it so much awesomatastic if you do make him laugh. Just makes me so happy

  • @evedotcom
    @evedotcom2 жыл бұрын

    “Love people for who they are independently of you, independently of their utility value for your own deprivations” WOAH 👏👏👏

  • @guitarminioriginals4840
    @guitarminioriginals48402 жыл бұрын

    Politeness could have to do with borders: as I interact with you, I am at the border of your identity or world, so I am polite, like a tourist in a strange land or a diplomat

  • @dsharkyo

    @dsharkyo

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's an interesting parallel

  • @summan41man

    @summan41man

    2 жыл бұрын

    Once that politeness becomes distorted for weakness, is when we have to reevaluate our standing. You have made a great observation and it highlights a lot of social intricacies. Inclination to be polite is almost certainly an inherent psychological barrier.

  • @vee7037

    @vee7037

    2 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful

  • @joehoward4335

    @joehoward4335

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed. This also explains why people are so rude to each other on the internet, where those borders aren't visible.

  • @MissJuggler
    @MissJuggler2 жыл бұрын

    Dr Kaufman is so funny and humble, the whole conversation on creativity was super interesting. I especially liked "why would you be immersed in something if it wasn't relevant", it gave me a positive boost to keep on practicing my creativity.

  • @zeynand4039

    @zeynand4039

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too. I needed that boost. I'm going to buy his book after this. I did the big 5 test and it said I was exception ally high in creativity, did a few other tests about creativity and I score pretty much at the top. And I never knew or realized I was creative. I even got a background in finance which is the opposite of creative. But now Ive picked up my creative projects again and I feel so much more alive. It's like a dull and gray cloud has left my life.

  • @ItsWithakayLee
    @ItsWithakayLee2 жыл бұрын

    “Open people have trouble catalyzing a single identity” yup

  • @josephvanderhoven9967

    @josephvanderhoven9967

    2 жыл бұрын

    As someone high in neuroticism and openness to experience (93 percentile+) I second that.

  • @charliecampbell6851

    @charliecampbell6851

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@josephvanderhoven9967 oof, me too. 90% extroversion and 90% neuroticism is not a friendly combination, but here we are. Kind of a weird lifestyle, right?

  • @joshokon2800

    @joshokon2800

    2 жыл бұрын

    I have to agree with both of you! I'm also high in openness and neuroticism. It is not always fun for friends and family to deal with me. I will say that it definitely helps in writing fiction, you can literally create dozens of characters based off of the multifaceted traits of your personality and experience.

  • @ivanbrownflower9828

    @ivanbrownflower9828

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joshokon2800 In an interview Thomas Harris (the writer of the hannibal series) said of writing; "he elaborated on his process, as well as the difficulty, describing it as "passive [...], sometimes you really have to shove and grunt and sweat. Some days you go to your office and you're the only one who shows up, none of the characters show up, and you sit there by yourself, feeling like an idiot. And some days everybody shows up ready to work. You have to show up at your office every day. If an idea comes by, you want to be there to get it in." Interestingly the experience he describes here resonated strongly with how I've experienced my own ability to function on individual aspects of my job as a gardener (e.g. planning, designing, creating, adjusting and also just appreciating the effect of something) which I've interpreted as various sub-personalities either turning up or not at any given time. I suppose this parallel makes me question how real are the characters we create, and how fictional are the personalities we inhabit?

  • @RyoMassaki

    @RyoMassaki

    2 жыл бұрын

    Having one single personality is overrated and boring.

  • @MJ-ix7wm
    @MJ-ix7wm2 жыл бұрын

    Hello Doctor Peterson!!!!! My life is better because of the things you explain sooo well. Thank you again sir.

  • @Chris-dt5td

    @Chris-dt5td

    2 жыл бұрын

    Happy to hear!

  • @ReynaSingh
    @ReynaSingh2 жыл бұрын

    Creativity is so fascinating. Possible one of the things that makes us uniquely human. Great guest and conversation

  • @rajatchandra3209

    @rajatchandra3209

    2 жыл бұрын

    Truly agreed. Poetic ability sure do come handy during ppt in btech 😂❤️ creativity is one of the keys to authenticity and self-expressionism. Also, great channel, saw your videos.

  • @utkarsh4714

    @utkarsh4714

    2 жыл бұрын

    just a mins back, saw you on prakhar's comment section.

  • @kirkjohnson9353

    @kirkjohnson9353

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rajatchandra3209 She does have some good videos on her channel. I found them quite thought provoking.

  • @AnitaBJay

    @AnitaBJay

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed, but I think Peterson showed that it's just the metacognitive component of our creativity that is uniquely human. Our self-awareness, which gives us the capability for introspection, adds an extra layer of selectivity on our thoughts and ideas. Creativity is just the Darwinian-like selection of random ideas which are largely mutations of previous ideas (hence the analogies he was bringing up with natural/sexual selection). So having a metacognitive environment for our ideas, with the more constrained selection that it brings, bolsters our creativity.

  • @draparnashukla677

    @draparnashukla677

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AnitaBJay Don't forget the role of sexual selection in evolution of traits

  • @dnxtheone1252
    @dnxtheone12522 жыл бұрын

    Jordan is so hyped about everything Dr. Scott says that he doesn’t even let him talk :)

  • @tomquinn607

    @tomquinn607

    2 жыл бұрын

    The dialog was perfectly true. Understand. Dr. Peterson is his mentor. Do you want to speak over your sensei?

  • @diegocheyre150

    @diegocheyre150

    2 жыл бұрын

    Haha yeeah, it kinda boders me that Jordan monopolized much of the talk. Scott is such an interesting individual and, though he runs a podcast, it is not easy to find an epidsode in which he talks about his research. Anyways, interesting conversation.

  • @kunipeg8706
    @kunipeg87062 жыл бұрын

    Mentorship is Immortality. It's the father that does everything for the best for his child. It's the continuation of one's name and spirit long after one is gone from this life. That's why mentorship is so, if not the most rewarding. It's the best attempt to make one's self eternal. It's the attempt to be God.

  • @glynsmith60
    @glynsmith602 жыл бұрын

    Got in early on this one...popcorn ready! Hi to all you fellow JBP community friends!😊

  • @michaelhayashi2978

    @michaelhayashi2978

    2 жыл бұрын

    Good day to you as well

  • @RyanDavisSoftware

    @RyanDavisSoftware

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same here! 🤗

  • @KingPancakez

    @KingPancakez

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hello 👋🏽

  • @glynsmith60

    @glynsmith60

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hello Michael..Ryan..Razeo....have a great day y'all ! 👍

  • @elektrotehnik94

    @elektrotehnik94

    2 жыл бұрын

    Early in for some classes, we are

  • @karensilver8853
    @karensilver88532 жыл бұрын

    I cannot listen to Jordan Peterson without ending up richer and smarter and stronger.

  • @tommeakin1732
    @tommeakin17322 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly the kind of conversation that I want to listen to.

  • @itmomotitimo
    @itmomotitimo2 жыл бұрын

    I'm getting better sources for my PhD through KZread than through Google Scholar :P

  • @ib6294

    @ib6294

    2 жыл бұрын

    You ain't getting shit, go read books dont listen to someone's regurgitated shit

  • @profeh3346

    @profeh3346

    2 жыл бұрын

    How many are from JB PEterson?

  • @Gaonaism

    @Gaonaism

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fact: both are owned by Alphabet.

  • @sakukullberg2697

    @sakukullberg2697

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ib6294 generally you investigate the source literature for a PhD rather than just copy paste the contents of a video... You wouldnt know that though because you have never done academic work

  • @johnmcelroy5804

    @johnmcelroy5804

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ib6294 Considering how often Peterson's works have been cited in academic papers, I don't think you response is particularly applicable.

  • @alexgauthier7128
    @alexgauthier71282 жыл бұрын

    I’m so thankful to Dr Peterson and his team for giving us all incredible conversations on such frequent intervals. What a time to be alive!

  • @tsmtsma6525
    @tsmtsma65252 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Jordan Peterson is KNOCKING it out of the park. 🔥🔥 Get rid of the television and burn main mainstream media. Dr. Peterson's show is one where each and every guest is adding so much intellectual value to the world it's incredible. 👍🔥🔥

  • @crxh2dvtec
    @crxh2dvtec2 жыл бұрын

    At this rate, Jordan Peterson is going to have Joe Rogan on his podcast.

  • @alongr5

    @alongr5

    2 жыл бұрын

    He already had

  • @juliosnap

    @juliosnap

    2 жыл бұрын

    He already did that

  • @cuteasxtreme

    @cuteasxtreme

    2 жыл бұрын

    I believe he actually had Joe on this channel years ago

  • @Stringz

    @Stringz

    2 жыл бұрын

    Joe Rogan is very old and outdated. Jordan had his time also. Maybe a decade ago this would make more sense. Joe and Jordan do not matter very much anymore. I moved on quite a while ago. Not that I dislike Jordan, but he’s not at all the same, and he won’t be. Even if he was I studied a lot from him for years from him and then I went beyond… and Joe I surpassed after a few months as a kid cus he’s not that bright at all. I thought he was at one point, but I was just a little kid… y’all are just late to the game comparatively. I was there when it all began. Shit gets old seeing such extreme worship to people that are ordinary in my view based on all the diverse and accomplished and variances of people I’ve met in my life and my high awareness of them … which all have their unique issues as well…. Not a single person is immune to faults and many end up showing their levels of stupidity are actually pretty high also. Anyway, whatever. Onward. I’m sure this comes off angry. I am angry atm, but there’s truth in that as well.

  • @Cashiiff

    @Cashiiff

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Stringz ok? You’re cool bro

  • @piercescott8634
    @piercescott86342 жыл бұрын

    I really appreciate the humility of Dr. Kaufman. Both he and Dr. Peterson are incredibly intelligent yet Dr. Kaufman knows Dr. Peterson has age and experience and is willing to soak it all in. I love it.

  • @eamonmcullen
    @eamonmcullen2 жыл бұрын

    Peterson may be the most articulate person on earth.

  • @olahfsmart3630

    @olahfsmart3630

    2 жыл бұрын

    Of known intellectual

  • @curtisvalle5141

    @curtisvalle5141

    2 жыл бұрын

    And he/s still feeling bad. Can't imagine the Hell he's been through....

  • @ramonmorales3122
    @ramonmorales31222 жыл бұрын

    🕯️Shalom, thank you for your service.🕊️

  • @thesofiafactor2566
    @thesofiafactor25662 жыл бұрын

    Oh my heart ❤️‍🩹 1:27:00 when JP said what’s your relationship with your father …. Absolutely surgical.

  • @rebecka2422
    @rebecka24222 жыл бұрын

    You can have all the creativity in the world but without an outlet its basically entertainment for yourself and not others. Sometimes that outlet is another person.

  • @swarden2

    @swarden2

    2 жыл бұрын

    Creativity always finds an outlet, no? That’s my experience…e.g., if I’m not writing, it shows up in fashion, rearranging a room, reupholstering an ottoman, or finding old jewelry I have and switching it up somehow. I can’t NOT do something creative most days, it’s like an energy that builds on itself and MUST be expended? My Mom still laughs at me and my projects…shakes her head but thoroughly enjoys my brain. I’ve always been this way. Sigh. [[shrugs]]

  • @donnguyen1265
    @donnguyen12652 жыл бұрын

    I just graduated with my BA in Psychology. Listening to this podcast really encouraged me to pursue my Masters. Reason one being that I miss researching the topic. Reason two being that conversations like this are the exactly the type that I want to have!

  • @1993HBh
    @1993HBh2 жыл бұрын

    I start every Jordan Peterson Podcast with a LIKE and a comment thanking Dr. Peterson for saving me. So thanks! It means alot!!

  • @SS-ec2tu
    @SS-ec2tu2 жыл бұрын

    It is not often I have to look up so many words to understand what two people are talking about, but here we are.

  • @howiefelterup329
    @howiefelterup3292 жыл бұрын

    These podcasts are great and are definitely well needed. However, I miss seeing Peterson in front of an audience that can interact with him physically. I wonder if he will ever get back to live speeches and talks like he used to do. Either way, I am still grateful for his return.

  • @careym3901

    @careym3901

    2 жыл бұрын

    He plans too. Someone on twitter from India I think it was asking him if he'd ever lecture there. Answer was yes. So I think he plans to get back at it at some point. Right now his podcasting is going so well!

  • @nlysts

    @nlysts

    2 жыл бұрын

    Probably will when covid ends.

  • @von_2.0

    @von_2.0

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve seen him getting back on the horse little by little and it’s been great so far. God willing he’ll be back to touring in due time.

  • @shizzl0rable

    @shizzl0rable

    2 жыл бұрын

    We’re so spoiled! Let’s wait for him to get ready and be grateful when he is. :)

  • @dentonjordan6992

    @dentonjordan6992

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bet on it

  • @taylormeizlish2279
    @taylormeizlish22792 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Peterson, I finished my masters in Linguistics years ago and have barely looked at my research since then. But lately, after these recent dialogues with passionate researchers, I’m energized and inspired to try to validate and expand on my studies. I have to imagine I’m not alone in being touched by your infectious passion for pushing your knowledge and research beyond it’s current limits with such honesty and sincerity.

  • @glenngogogo
    @glenngogogo2 жыл бұрын

    Jordan, if Love is a thing, then this straight man, has it for you. I can't begin to tell you the difference you've made. The Gods speak to us through poets and musicians, and ye. What a great journey....oh,I'm 61. Glenn

  • @agravphili
    @agravphili2 жыл бұрын

    This kind of conversations are definitely fascinating and should be modelled by those who want a meaningful and productive talk.

  • @roddydykes7053
    @roddydykes70532 жыл бұрын

    You ever get the feeling these talks were meant to come to you, right at this specific time, tailor made to coincide with your current personal experiences? Absolutely awe-inspiring to listen to

  • @evedotcom

    @evedotcom

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I absolutely feel this right now! I haven’t watched Jordan’s videos recently, and happened to watch this one out of the blue. Awe-inspiring is the right word. Felt like I was nerding out with the 2 of them.

  • @swarden2

    @swarden2

    2 жыл бұрын

    yup.

  • @pegah9413
    @pegah94132 жыл бұрын

    Wow, so many different branches were visited during this talk. My head started spinning and I had to pause many times just to digest what was going on. I think Jordan has to make a mini-series only talking to Kaufman and similar cognitive scientists and dedicate a whole episode on each of the topics they touched on. I sense I could learn much much more. Now, I have many tabs open on my browser searching the key words they have used to learn about each in depth on my own. Amazing podcast, it needs sequels for sure though!

  • @SML783
    @SML7832 жыл бұрын

    When i was young i used to read about great men and naively thought they are a phenomenon of the past. As a grown man i realise i am fortunate to live in this era because there are so many equally great men that are immediately available to me, almost personally, because of technology.

  • @basemkhourma5163
    @basemkhourma51632 ай бұрын

    We live in an environmentally Deterministic World, that can be proved easily. Thank you

  • @eagleusa
    @eagleusa2 жыл бұрын

    You’re improving lives Mr. Peterson. Thank you for all you do!!

  • @jaouadbissbiss8641
    @jaouadbissbiss86412 жыл бұрын

    Whenever Jordan P touches on cognitive science with someone, I get attentive as hell to explore what I can do about my level of cognition.

  • @anthonysimon4991
    @anthonysimon49912 жыл бұрын

    It is so satisfying to hear such complex broad spectrum observations being formulated into concise information, I wish this was available 40 years ago.

  • @GaslightGatekeepGirlboss372
    @GaslightGatekeepGirlboss3722 жыл бұрын

    Jordan!! It's me, I'm 19 and I just left the far left ideology, I think I am high in openness, and I have anxiety and a whole lot of other issues. You described exactly me at around minute 38. Just thought of letting you know. I hope you see this. And I love you, thank you for changing my life. One day when I'm famous, and you read my book, and you interview me, I cannot wait to shake your hand and tell you myself in real life. ❣❣❤💛❤💛

  • @ras_krystafari3333
    @ras_krystafari33332 жыл бұрын

    Looking better all the time, it's such a blessing to have you around again Sir! I grew up listening to 1000's of hour's of Alan Watts, Terrence McKenna, then Paul Staments, & later Ram Dass & You JBP last several years, your words & works saving Soul's & your collaborations with Akira The Don are absolutely magnificent & the best way your teachings will reach the masses, as you know for most that's everything! 🎶🎵 Giv3nTake Care 𝓛𝓸𝓿𝓮1𝔏o͒͊̕v̿̈́͝𝓮L̔͑̓o͒͊̕v̿̈́͝é͊̚L̵̢̼͓̒͋̽i̵̡͕͖̿͋͝g̸͍͕͕̈́͋̔h̸͕͚̞̓̓͠t̵͙̫̔̓̚

  • @AzrentheLanguageNerd
    @AzrentheLanguageNerd2 жыл бұрын

    I am loving these interviews that JP has been making. They're so insightful & thought provoking! I like them better than his lectures, and that's saying something.

  • @paulies5407

    @paulies5407

    2 жыл бұрын

    Been on a roll as of late. Been a pleasure to behold.

  • @chdao
    @chdao2 жыл бұрын

    Thomas Sowell, Glenn Loury and John McWhorter are all guests I would like to see you speak with, Dr Peterson.

  • @matthewhartley2434
    @matthewhartley24342 жыл бұрын

    Unbelievably foundational discussion gentlemen. One of your best podcasts yet Dr. P

  • @martinhealourlovecamden9191
    @martinhealourlovecamden91912 жыл бұрын

    I'm an educator too, standing on the shoulders of giants !!

  • @jimlyon7276

    @jimlyon7276

    2 жыл бұрын

    To quote Sir Isaac Newton - "IF i CAN SEE FURTHER THAN OTHERS THAT'S BECAUSE i STAND ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS." - In his case his giants were the ancient Greeks ( & the fact that the English language is STILL based on the inadequate out dated 2 valued either/or logic of Aristotle is a major problem ! ) - BUT now we can upgrade & stand on the shoulders of DIFFERENT giants i.e. the Non Newtonian giants of the late 19th-early 20th century! BTW - I've replaced Aristotelian logic & upgraded to Non Newtonian MULTI valued holistic logic, which works much better :)

  • @martinhealourlovecamden9191

    @martinhealourlovecamden9191

    2 жыл бұрын

    Send me some links about modern day giants, please !!

  • @bobwilkinsonguitar6142
    @bobwilkinsonguitar61422 жыл бұрын

    I know, Dr. Peterson, how stressful your life has been, but I beg you as a person thirsting for knowledge I know not how to seek, to continue your biblical lecture series. Thank you for everything you've done.

  • @Mmmmkaaay

    @Mmmmkaaay

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to see the book of Job through his eyes.

  • @stuartvanderlee7246
    @stuartvanderlee72462 жыл бұрын

    Just another great discussion on the Jordan Peterson podcast. If you want to be exposed to new ideas, this is the place to be.

  • @ammonparkman2439
    @ammonparkman24392 жыл бұрын

    "Blind Watchmaker" is the funniest synonym for the atheistic theory of existence.

  • @dginev
    @dginev2 жыл бұрын

    Very constructive conversation while accessible to non-experts in the field. Thank you for having it!

  • @mjolninja9358
    @mjolninja93582 жыл бұрын

    “Dawkins is an admirable person. Intellectually” Dr Jordan B Peterson

  • @hypno5690

    @hypno5690

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi reddit

  • @mjolninja9358

    @mjolninja9358

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hypno5690 lmao you should reddit again again buddy

  • @malakaibeatser
    @malakaibeatser2 жыл бұрын

    Every single one of these conversations is so nourishing it can hardly be described.

  • @Lavondagoss
    @Lavondagoss2 жыл бұрын

    As a novice Montessori teacher of 3-6 year olds, I’m struck at how Dr. Maria Montessori was so tuned in to much that is discussed here. She still seems to be one of the most under appreciated scientists of human development. I’d love to hear your thoughts on her work.

  • @dstubby82
    @dstubby822 жыл бұрын

    And here I was wondering what to listen to during my workout. ☺

  • @GML890
    @GML8902 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Kaufman asked some critical questions that must be carefully crafted in life. Hard questions that must be carefully crafted.

  • @tensevo
    @tensevo2 жыл бұрын

    The good teacher ALWAYS learns more from their student, than the student learns from them.

  • @tomdixon1213
    @tomdixon12132 жыл бұрын

    I was in awe that this giant professor was actually reaching out to Dr Peterson the way the rest of us do, and Dr Peterson helped him the way Dr Peterson helps the rest of us. I thought i needed to back off on getting Prime Minister Trudeau to nominate JBP for the Nobel Prize in the humanities, but this podcast simply refortifies my belief that the Nobel committee needs to understand that this man has been critical to the survival of the human species and the improvement in the human condition, GLOBALLY, not just Canada.

  • @martinhealourlovecamden9191
    @martinhealourlovecamden91912 жыл бұрын

    Everyone is entitled to basic respect but, beyond this, respect needs to be earned !!

  • @gloriavalentine3849

    @gloriavalentine3849

    2 жыл бұрын

    Being respectful and giving someone respect, in my mind are two different things. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, it is up to them after that.

  • @martinhealourlovecamden9191

    @martinhealourlovecamden9191

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's a better way of explaining the same thing as me -- thanks, Gloria !!

  • @TT-jc4ur
    @TT-jc4ur2 жыл бұрын

    So Beautiful to see Jordan back on his game, getting sharper and sharper. Conversational convalescence is working wonders.

  • @yudhistiragadlani
    @yudhistiragadlani2 жыл бұрын

    Well if Dawkins is going to be in this podcast, I want to suggest some people that would be interesting to see Dr. Peterson talk to:
 1. Carol Dweck 2. Daniel Kahneman 3. Nassim Nicholas Taleb (if he’s available) 4. Kristin Neff 5. Albert Bandura 6. Dan Ariely 7. Thomas Sowell 8. Cal Newport 9. Matthew Walker 10. Brene Brown 11. Lisa Fieldman Barret 12. Rania Awaad 13. Adam Grant 14. Michael Gervais 15. Paul Bloom And many, many more. Lastly, I feel like what makes this podcast interesting is that moment where Dr. Peterson challenges the ideas that his guest has as well as his own. We get to see new ideas emerging as a consequence of it, and for that, I want to thank you, Dr. Peterson. Hope that you keep doing your generous work!

  • @nomoresunforever3695
    @nomoresunforever36952 жыл бұрын

    This is one of my favorite peterson interviews

  • @PMC889
    @PMC8892 жыл бұрын

    THIS!!!! Yes!! Highly open, highly neurotic, moderately high IQ, creative, shape shifting always, oh my word....

  • @forscherr2
    @forscherr22 жыл бұрын

    As a psychology student, I loved the conversation. Both of them have such a vast basis of knowledge and are able to play ideas back and forth is just great and it feels very engaging to follow their thoughts.

  • @KrystinaLiberty
    @KrystinaLiberty2 жыл бұрын

    There is nothing more fulfilling than mentorship, impacting another's life in a positive way, especially if you have the opportunity to change the entire trajectory of someone's life. That feels better than anything else, ever. I can't even think of a word, maybe heart-swelling.

  • @hichamboulos1155
    @hichamboulos11552 жыл бұрын

    Oh! and Dr. Peterson was exceptionally sharp on this podcast. Great to have you back Dr.

  • @filmguy515
    @filmguy5152 жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love Jordan Peterson. One of the things I love about him is his brilliant lines of questioning. So many of these doctors, writers, educators, have massive nepotism. Peterson is a self made man start listening at around 5:50 he asks him so he just responded to a cold letter?! And he quickly back tracks and says we'll yes but no I was an assistant researcher. The reason I highlight this and bring it up is due to the fact that so many of the people on power that run our conversation or thoughts are deeply connected. Just a side note.

  • @EvolveWithGino
    @EvolveWithGino2 жыл бұрын

    Every video you put out there, makes the world a better place! 💪💪☀️☀️

  • @felixw8004

    @felixw8004

    2 жыл бұрын

    And I bet every comment of yours makes the creator feel like hannging himself out of irony

  • @foreman_spike

    @foreman_spike

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@felixw8004 what? Why?

  • @EvolveWithGino

    @EvolveWithGino

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@foreman_spike ignore the troll

  • @Gaonaism
    @Gaonaism2 жыл бұрын

    @ 1:52:48 "We just conducted something that approximates a high level graduate seminar" Wow! As someone who went to community college for two semesters, I'm honored to have the privilege of listening to these brilliant men from the comfort of my home & at no cost (besides some ads). Technology is amazing.

  • @galenation4294
    @galenation42942 жыл бұрын

    Absorption of personalities. Explains so much. These discussions are phenomenal.

  • @joelfooxiangjie
    @joelfooxiangjie2 жыл бұрын

    I really like these interviews that explore theoretical psychology deeply more than the other exploratory interviews. So much useful information here to digest.

  • @dranreb1118

    @dranreb1118

    2 жыл бұрын

    Is it really "theoretical" though? They do have psychometric evidence for this. You would never be considered a psychologist nowadays if you don't follow strict scientific procedure, unless your field is greivance studies.

  • @joelfooxiangjie

    @joelfooxiangjie

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dranreb1118 Yes, in that if you notice they're both offering hypothesis on the phenomena they're discussing, avenues of experimentation that have not been explored, so they wouldn't have had psychometric evidence of those hypothesis yet. I say, 'theoretical' as it pertains to the theory of psychology.

  • @meaningwarrior7330

    @meaningwarrior7330

    2 жыл бұрын

    You might like John vervaeke’s awakening from the meaning crisis.

  • @j-rocgeo7499
    @j-rocgeo74992 жыл бұрын

    Not a podcast for everyone, in my estimation. I cant say that I followed the entire conversation, however I really enjoyed listening to two great minds bounce ideas off each other and expanding the others "Model" of the human experience. It makes me want to study psychology.

  • @watchingbrain

    @watchingbrain

    2 жыл бұрын

    yeah, sometimes you need a fair bit of underlying knowledge (at the very very veeeery least all of JBPs lectures^^) to get the most out of these podcasts although there are plenty attempts to cue the audience in/ deliever the most needed basics but that has its very limits very soon. In addition: it is nearly impossible to have an honest discussion with one another where you try to go near your knowledge limit AND at the same time think about "does the audience got their basics on this subject/topic straight?" Sometimes you get it right and sometimes you dont. Most often you hit at least the general direction of your aim ;)

  • @VeritasIncrebresco

    @VeritasIncrebresco

    2 жыл бұрын

    Interesting you say that, and you're right. But I read comments in another thread from a plumber and a carpenter who both followed the conversation well because they've been listening to all of JP's lectures over the years. Which would make sense, because it would take years of education just to be able to really follow this conversation properly. I'm really not trying to sound like a pompous ass when I say this - but this is not exactly a conversation you would expect blue collar tradesmen to follow - let alone be interested in - which is a testament to the scope of influence this man has had on people.

  • @watchingbrain

    @watchingbrain

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@VeritasIncrebresco thank you for your input. Since i tend to be in good faith towards other people (until signs of fuckery/dishonesty start to emerge) i can agree with your observations so far + i find them useful. On the other hand i can easily imagine someone swinging the "pompous ass" bat at your head rather vividly:D I would like to second your "which is a testament to the scope of influence this man has had on people". thanks again, ey :)

  • @ChezzyKnytt
    @ChezzyKnytt2 жыл бұрын

    Man, Jordan needs to lecture again. He's in his element here.

  • @gregoryolenski4650
    @gregoryolenski46502 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic conversation Jordan and Scott. Thank you.

  • @scorpiss9
    @scorpiss92 жыл бұрын

    This is one of the most fascinating JBP podcasts so far!

  • @Doutsoldome

    @Doutsoldome

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree! And the competition is tough.

  • @jjuniper274
    @jjuniper2742 жыл бұрын

    I truly enjoy Dr. Kaufman. The thing I miss about leaving Twitter, was not following his feeds.

  • @AdamPitas
    @AdamPitas2 жыл бұрын

    This model of a conversation modeled a conversation very well, thank you.

  • @ElenaRoche
    @ElenaRoche2 жыл бұрын

    Nice to see psychologists catching up to the teachings of Catholicism, such as reordering your passions and fitting them into God's hierarchy, where God is the highest possible good.

  • @sbain844
    @sbain8442 жыл бұрын

    Really happy to see Jordan back to his brilliant best. (Edit - forgot to praise his brilliant guests too!)

  • @curtisvalle5141

    @curtisvalle5141

    2 жыл бұрын

    He's far from all the way back.. Another testament to his character

  • @rubencrisitano9
    @rubencrisitano92 жыл бұрын

    What a conversation this was. Fascinating leaves it short.

  • @mikebrisebois
    @mikebrisebois2 жыл бұрын

    What a wonderful young man and what a wonderful wonderful conversation

  • @jzmessier3969
    @jzmessier39692 жыл бұрын

    I wish JBP would let Dr Kaufman speak more, i really wanted to hear more from him

  • @JaveGeddes
    @JaveGeddes2 жыл бұрын

    I seriously didn't want this one to end.. Really amazing talk. Thank you both so much!

  • @martinhealourlovecamden9191
    @martinhealourlovecamden91912 жыл бұрын

    Children can have their eyes opened a lot more easily than with most adults !!

  • @daedra40
    @daedra402 жыл бұрын

    This was one of the loveliest talks I have seen thus far on KZread.

  • @AWEdio
    @AWEdio2 жыл бұрын

    "Have you ever asked someone that? It's not a good way to make friends Jordan" I laughed SO hard at this section :) What a brilliant conversation, thanks so much for this

  • @antoniobarbalau1107
    @antoniobarbalau11072 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for everything you do for us Dr. Peterson ❤️

  • @Milestonemonger
    @Milestonemonger2 жыл бұрын

    The Tender Defender is the most attractive type of man to women. I'm a woman and I completely agree!

  • @OneHundredYearsAgo
    @OneHundredYearsAgo2 жыл бұрын

    I hope you see this. I love you so much man. You’ve poured so much into my life in the past 5 or 6 years. Bless you so highly, brother. Thank you for continuing to fight every single day, for the GOOD in the world. I don’t know what we would do without a light such as yours. Also, you’re looking damn good, man. I hope you’re feeling as good as you’re looking. 👊🏼👊🏼

  • @davidfarrall
    @davidfarrall Жыл бұрын

    Music and Art are beautiful beyond measure and experimentation and subcultures should be encouraged.

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