If they are going to sign an intermediate city location in Texas on 35E (,south of I-14 which meets in Templle) I would sign Temple & Dallas/Fort Worth, northbound and on the two branches and eventually just 35 southbound south of the Merge Temple/Austin. Waco is like signing Limon in a certain state and California using legacy signage of San Bernardino on I-15 and Los Angeles on I-5 as a nod to US-101 there. I would change it to East Los Angeles to more accurately reflect where you are actually going.) I think the Signing of Sacramento on I-5 northbound in Greater Los Angeles is a stretch in spite of the fact that you actually go to Sacramento eventually,) the signs on LA on both 5 and 405 should have Bakersfield as a control city if you are going to be consistent. I-15 should be double or even I would make a case for a triple control city, San Bernardino/Rancho Cucamonga to reflect the split, then once you get to.thw 210, you should put National City/Downtown San Diego reflecting the fact that within Greater San Diego I-15 splits into.National City and Downtown bra two branches. Also I would like to.see CA 163 which is largely built to interstate standards as I-315. There is an unsigned remnant segment of the former US-395 route that has 3 exits on it that operates as part of Kearny Villa Road, and is built to Freeway Standards between Miramar Road and SR 163 . Also I-15 north should be signed as Corona/Riverside from National City to the 91, then just Rancho Cucamonga/Hespetia then Hespetia/Barstow to reflect two Junctions (CA 58 which may eventually become I-40, which should be jointly signed as I Bakersfield/Los Angeles as the Kern River Freeway may eventually be constructed as the already constructed portion is constructed as an interstate grafe bypass of downtown Bakersfield. Then they could build I-40 together with I-5 from just south of Button Willow up to Tracy and take the 580 to Oakland go through the wrong way concurrency with I-80 then over the Richmond/San Rafael Bridge to San Rafael and Mill Valley to connect to.US 101 north of San Francisco, with I-40 west once into Marin County being signed as 40 West Santa Rose/,Ukiah as the northbound lanes would be defaulted into Northbound 101. Southbound, the control City off US 101 would be Richmond/Oakland, Then Oakland, Tracy, Bakersfield, Barstow, Needle, Flagstaff/Phoenix (reflecting the I-11 concurrency), Flagstaff, Albuquerque, Amarillo, Oklahoma City, Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, Winston Salem, Greensboro, Raleigh, Wilmington. The signs westbound in Albuquerque should have Bakersfield as a fourth line.i would sign. i-40 West as National City rather than LA because you are defaulted into I-15 South, which as you mentioned many times does not travel anywhere near Los Angeles At one time, and I can understand why LA was signed, I-15 had two separate disconnected segments, one from National City to downtown Corona and the other from the 60 to Las Vegas, etc). This explains the use of Riverside as a destination and the use of CORONA/Los Angeles as 15 on the west side of the valley was originally CA 71 and Los Angeles reflecting that road previously having a concurrency with CA 91 through Corona and 71 ended at a Y Junction just north of the 10 on CA 57 (nee- Interstate 210)

About 20 years ago, they used to have a 35 South sign with the control city of "Denton" just north of Hwy. 82 as you're traveling southbound on 35 from Oklahoma. I think they use Denton because that's where 35 splits into 35E and 35W.

@ethanellis4662

8 ай бұрын

I understand Denton is a larger suburb and a college town, but by that logic why don't they sign Hillsboro after Waco? Or hell even after downtown Fort Worth and Dallas?

@Mark-xl1ze

8 ай бұрын

@@ethanellis4662 Good question

Yeah, you should go to Duluth sometime. It reminded me a bit of Seattle, with its steep hills and waterfront setting.

Denton is part of the Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington sprawl, it is fairly large (if smaller than those three places). It also has a substantial university, the University of North Texas.

I love the sign for I-10 in San Antonio with the control cities of Houston and El Paso, which are 750 miles apart. I don't think there are any other pair of control cities that are even half that distance between them.

@ControlCityFreak

Жыл бұрын

Reno to Cheyenne on 80 in SLC is 956 miles

Oklahoma City and Des Moines signage is somewhat similar I-35 south in Oklahoma City is signed for Dallas not Dallas Ft. Worth. In Des Moines I-35 north is signed for Minneapolis not Minneapolis St. Paul.

You really should go to Duluth if you get a chance, the lake views are beautiful and there is a bunch of foresty hills that are about 30-45 minutes away

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely on my list!

I-35 in Texas was never a real easy drive, but it has gotten crazy. All those Californians moved in. Bumper to bumper traffic going 90 from Denton to Austin.

@FunkyDPL

Жыл бұрын

I was going to say that even in the 90s, I-35E in Dallas was NOT for the faint of heart!

0:38 I've driven every mile of 35 in Minnesota and do recommend Duluth. Northern Minnesota is gorgeous in general 😍 Also I hate Albert Lea as control city. I'd almost rather just "Iowa". Also also, having lived in Minnesota, it feels weird to see the "35w" signs with Texas cities😅

todd, it is a pleasant suprise to see that you are from Lawrence, as I currently live in lawrence as well! rock chalk!

@ControlCityFreak

Жыл бұрын

4-0 baby!

@andysorensen1737

Жыл бұрын

Rock chalk! My sister is a KU grad so I’ve had the pleasure of visiting Lawrence on a few occasions. Great town.

Those control cities for Highway 6 and 340 at 13:00 are a complete joke. Should be one of Bryan/College Station and then Houston.

Hey, Todd! Thanks for the shout-out for Eagleville, Missouri. My wife's dad grew up there, and after he passed 7 years ago, we buried him there. Such a small town but with a lot of midwestern heart(you can read that several ways LOL). We stayed in a motel that is usually just a truckers' inn, so when I told them we'd be there for 5 nights, I think the clerk almost fainted. It was a stressful reason to be there, but I was probably the most relaxed I'd felt in my life while in that town. And yes, we ate at the Dinner Bell!

@ControlCityFreak

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Sounds like a rough time, but glad the town was cool!

Signs on I-80 and I-15 also switch mostly to streets through the Wasatch Front

I don't have a big problem with Waco. It does have 140,000 population that is not a small town. It's only been fairly recently Austin as become a really big city.

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

I think Waco would be fine in most other locations, but because Austin and DFW are only 3 hours apart, they should sign the big cities. Agree Austin being huge is fairly new, but it's been over 500k since the 90s and it's always had the state capital and the largest university. If Waco happened to sit halfway between, say, El Paso and San Antonio, then it should absolutely be the primary control city in both of those.

In the Dallas Fort Worth metroplex the highways were built to make certain people money. They really don't make much sense.

I was just checking on some Google Streetview imagery, in some the newest, I see Nuevo Laredo(in Mexico) is signed on a mileage sign just south of where I-35 & US 83 meet(albeit 1 mile apart from Laredo), & I seem to also recall on some images in years past(where I-35, I-69W, & TX-20 meet) there also used to be mileage posted for Monterrey.

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Monterrey signage would be awesome

12:52 why not San Antonio?

Hi, Todd! Enjoy the content. At 3:04, while one could make an argument for Madison as a control city for 35 North, La Crosse is the correct choice in both directions, especially southbound for a couple reasons. 1) La Crosse is the first city of a decent size once crossing into Wisconsin 2) If one were heading to Madison from Minneapolis/St. Paul, one would not be taking 35 South to 90, however one would most likely be taking I-94 East, as this is a straight shot. In addition, 90 eventually meets up with 94, so one'll be on 94 entering Madison either way.

@ControlCityFreak

Жыл бұрын

I’m not too concerned with the first point, but yeah second point is valid

@paulbrower

Жыл бұрын

Even taking US 52 to Rochester to get to I-90 makes more sense than does using I-35 to I-90.

the southbound 35/westbound 80 overhead signage at the western 235 interchange is the newer signs that a lot of state DOT's are going to. i know there is a name for that signage but i do not recall what that name is. i think the overhead signage on eastbound 80 approaching that western interchange is the newer style as well. when i rolled on 80 two weeks ago (two weeks ago from today, in fact) i didn't go south of that interchange on 35 to see if the overhead signage for northbound 35 had been updated.

4:10 you see Colorado. This is what you should sign in I-70 & I-76 for in your state capital(instead of Limon & Fort Morgan) like Iowa does.

You might not notice or care about mileposts, but note that 35E (in both places) is the main stem of 35, with mile markers and exit numbers continuing, where 35W starts at 1 on the south end. Must be a rule somewhere about that. Also, at 39/90/94 near Madison, they follow 90, which is the only principal interstate, but also lowest principal. Do you know of any concurrencies of two principal interstates (ending in 0 or 5), and which one continues?

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

35/80 uses 80s. 55/70s uses 55s, but up until a few years ago they were the same. Interesting that on 64s many concurrencies, they never use 64's milage. On the 35Es, I don't think its a rule, they just default to Dallas because it's bigger and St. Paul because it's the capital, but I don't know for sure. Kinda surprised WisDOT doesn't use 94s, since MSP-Milwaukee is a way more important connection than La Crosse-Rockford.

@jxh02

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlCityFreak There is also, of course 80/90 (duh!), and I've driven on that section a number of times but didn't make a note of this. I think it goes: lower principal, then lower overall. 55/70 supports this: both are principals. What are 64's?

@jxh02

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlCityFreak Agreed about 94, my home town (that section). Oh, but 35 and 80 are both principals. OK, so maybe the longer one in that case? There must be a rule. Bureaucrats could never leave such a thing to chance. :-)

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

@@jxh02 55, 57, 75, 77, 95

If northbound was anything to go off of, my brain will end up hurting more from Kansas City than either of the two Metroplexes. Here goes: ST. PAUL/MINNEAPOLIS: BEGINNING-Minnesota Exit 127 (17.1 miles to the first exit in St. Paul; 20.2 miles to the first exit in Minneapolis) (E) ST. PAUL: Minnesota Exit 127-Minnesota Exit 111 (1.3 miles to the first exit in St. Paul) (W) MINNEAPOLIS: Minnesota Exit 127-Minnesota Exit 24B (3.4 miles to the first exit in Minneapolis) (E+W) AMES: Minnesota Exit 111/24B-Iowa Exit 123 (9.4 miles to the first exit in Ames) DES MOINES: Iowa Exit 123-Iowa Exit 96 (9.4 miles to the first exit with service to Des Moines) KANSAS CITY: Iowa Exit 96-(I 80) Iowa Exit 137B (REAL EXIT 87; 191.3 miles to the first exit in Kansas City) OMAHA/KANSAS CITY: Iowa Exit 137B-(I 80) Iowa Exit unnumbered (REAL Exit 72B; 124.2 miles to the first exit in Omaha) KANSAS CITY: Iowa Exit unnumbered-Missouri Exit 14 (2.8 miles to the first exit in Kansas City) WICHITA: Missouri Exit 14-Missouri Exit 2G (186.5 miles to the first exit in Wichita) LAWRENCE/WICHITA: Missouri Exit 2G-Missouri Exit 2A (39.5 miles to the first exit in Lawrence) WICHITA: Missouri Exit 2A-Kansas Exit 71 (18 miles to the first exit in Wichita) OKLAHOMA CITY: Kansas Exit 71-Oklahoma Exit 153 (14.9 miles to the first exit in Oklahoma City) FORT WORTH/DALLAS: Oklahoma Exit 153-Oklahoma Exit 138A (188.1 miles to the first exit in Fort Worth; 200.8 miles to the first exit in Dallas) LAWTON/FORT WORTH: Oklahoma Exit 138A-Oklahoma Exit 133 (via I 44 W; 89 miles to the first exit in Lawton) FORT WORTH/ DALLAS: Oklahoma Exit 133-Oklahoma Exit 128 (179.5 miles to the first exit in Fort Worth; 192.2 miles to the first exit in Dallas) FORT WORTH/AMARILLO: Oklahoma Exit 133-(I 40) Oklahoma Exit 151B (REAL Exit 126; via I 40 W; 229.6 miles to the first exit in Amarillo) FORT WORTH/DALLAS: Oklahoma Exit 151B-Texas Exit 467 (15 miles to the first exit in Fort Worth; 27.7 miles to the first exit in Dallas) (W) FORT WORTH: Texas Exit 467-Texas Exit 79 (7.7 miles to the first exit in Fort Worth) (E) DALLAS: Texas Exit 467-Texas Exit 443B (3 miles to the first exit in Dallas) (W+E) WACO: Texas Exit 79/443B-Texas Exit 340 (2.6 miles to the first exit in Waco) TEMPLE: Texas Exit 340-Texas Exit 315 (10.6 miles to the first exit in Temple) KILLEEN/AUSTIN: Texas Exit 315-Texas Exit 293A (via I 14 W; 14.7 miles to the first exit in Killeen) AUSTIN: Texas Exit 293A-Texas Exit 250 (3 miles to the first exit in Austin) SAN ANTONIO: Texas Exit 250-Texas Exit 172 (1 mile to the first exit in San Antonio) CORPUS CHRISTI/LAREDO: Texas Exit 172-Texas Exit 163 (via I 410 S to I 37 S; 128.4 miles to the first exit in Corpus Christi) LAREDO: Texas Exit 163-Texas Exit 156 (143.9 miles to the first exit in Laredo) LAREDO/HOUSTON: Texas Exit 156-Texas Exit 153 (via I 10 W; 174.9 miles to the first exit in Houston) LAREDO: Texas Exit 153-Texas Exit 22 (8.8 miles to the first exit in Laredo) Making this list wasn’t so bad, now that I knew what to expect in Kansas City. What was bad was accidentally switching to another video, and having to retype a list that was 2/3 done. Seeing how I 37 meets I 35 in San Antonio, I was intent on putting it on here as a side destination. However, the direct interchange isn’t the most convenient route, hence the route along the loop…

@ControlCityFreak

Жыл бұрын

Solid

In view of the rapid growth of Austin, this city of about one million could use its own Interstate connecting I-10 to El Paso and Houston. It would be shorter than the route through San Antonio. "12" and "14" are taken, so unless one is to renumber the route through San Antonio as "8" or "6" then there would have to be a "10N" through Austin and "10S" through San Antonio.

@ControlCityFreak

Жыл бұрын

Upgrade 290 to a freeway between Houston and 10 near Harper and just keep the US Highway name, or make it an x10 3di. Suffixed routes are dumb and changing the current number in SA would be needlessly confusing

@ethanellis4662

9 ай бұрын

Make I-12 in Louisiana a three-digit interstate (probably 410) and make 290 between Houston and Austin I-12. Problem solved.

@arnathan1792

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, or make I-14 into I-135 and use I-14 for it since the rest of I-14 probably won’t be built anytime soon. If it did, it could become I-20, I-20 could become I-30, and I-30 could become I-32. Probably will never happen and it’d be overcomplicated, but that would be cool

RIP Dinner Bell's popularity

10:56 I see that they didn’t use Highway Gothic font (The main font on road/highway signs) *Sometimes clearview* for the interstates (40) & (235) but they did use it for route {270} & {77}

Some comments: Dinner Bell must be like Braums in Oklahoma. Only Oklahoma and the parts of neighboring states closest to it have Braums locations so if you’re coming back to OK from a long trip, you know that you’re almost home. I-35 in Oklahoma consistently lists Dallas on its mileage signs up to the TX border. Once in TX, Dallas is forgotten about until you’re close to Denton. Albert Lea. Why????? Probably a contender for Worst Interstate Control City. Monterey is listed on one mileage sign on I-35 in Southern TX.

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

I dig Braums! They have it in Kansas too, not anywhere near my hometown but I got it on the road some. Dinner Bell is a one-off, I think.

@mxderate

2 жыл бұрын

They actually replaced Monterrey with Nuevo Laredo pretty recently.

@highway2heaven91

2 жыл бұрын

@@mxderate Well, it was fun while it lasted ☹️

@mxderate

2 жыл бұрын

@@highway2heaven91 :(

I live in Austin Texas and it is not that good that they don’t put low control cities on their roads on 835

TX provincial control cities for the win.

For me, southbound I-35 would have been signed as follows: Legend: • Primary - Secondary > For later Southbound I-35: •Minneapolis-St. Paul Southbound I-35W MN: •Minneapolis -Albert Lea, MN Southbound I-35E MN: •St. Paul, MN -Albert Lea, MN Southbound I-35: -Albert Lea, MN | •Des Moines, IA •Des Moines, IA •Kansas City, MO -Emporia, KS | •Wichita, KS •Wichita, KS •Oklahoma City •Dallas-Fort Worth Southbound I-35W TX: •Fort Worth, TX -Waco, TX Southbound I-35E TX: •Dallas -Waco, TX Southbound I-35: -Waco, TX | •Austin, TX -Belton, TX | •Austin, TX •Austin, TX •San Antonio •Laredo, TX

Maple’s the way it should be: I-35 and I-35E Northbound - San Antonio, Austin, Dallas/Fort Worth, just Dallas, Oklahoma City, Wichita, Kansas City, Des Moines, Minneapolis/St. Paul, just St. Paul, and Duluth I-35 and I-35W Southbound - Minneapolis/St. Paul, just Minneapolis, Faribault/Des Moines or Owatonna/Des Moines, just Des Moines, Kansas City, Wichita, Oklahoma City, Dallas/Fort Worth, just Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio, and Laredo.

@SlowedByMaple

Жыл бұрын

Faribault and Owatonna are bigger cities than Albert Lea, Owatonna have multiple overhead signs on I-35 with actual street nanes!

I-435 in Kansas does not sign control cities. Missouri does: Southbound from I-29 to Missouri River--TOPEKA Northbound from Missouri River to I-29--ST. JOSEPH Eastbound/Southbound from I-29 split to I-70--ST. LOUIS Northbound/Westbound from I-70 to merge with I-29--ST. JOSEPH Southbound/Westbound from I-70 to MO/KS state line--WICHITA Eastbound/Northbound from MO/KS state line to I-70--DES MOINES

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

Good point! South Topeka makes sense but always felt so weird to me

I agree that the Control City of I-35 Sᴏᴜᴛʜ in MN should be Des Moines instead of Albert Lea. Even Iowa Never signs I-35 NB as Albert Lea too. And the Freeways in Kansas City does needs a makeover because having I-35 as One Lane is NOT ok!

@dvferyance

2 жыл бұрын

What would you use for I-90 then? Just LaCrosse and Sioux Falls? I am sure mndot wants something in their state signed.

@SlowedByMaple

2 жыл бұрын

@@dvferyance I-90 is Another Story though. Yes, it can Still have Albert Lea for the Control City, or maybe Austin, MN can be the Control city. Albert Lea is just too Small to be a Control City for both of these Routes to be Honest.

@highway2heaven91

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Albert Lea has no business being on there. Fun fact though, I looked up Albert Lea just because it was a Control City and turn out it was named after a man from Tennessee.

@dhinton1

2 жыл бұрын

there is NO room to expand the freeways going through downtown KC (Missouri) to add lanes for the mainline interstate ramps. it really is THAT tight in downtown KC.

@dhinton1

2 жыл бұрын

and Albert Lea is listed on the I-90 WB overhead signage for I-35 South because it's listed as a control city for mileage signs along I-90 between the I-29 interchange in Sioux Falls (going eastbound) and the US 14/61 split from westbound I-90 just across the Mississippi River from LaCrosse, Wisconsin. and both directions of I-90 has I-35 listed as an exit for Albert Lea. I-90 effectively was run through the middle of nowhere throughout the state of Minnesota 😂

Minnesota has the provincial issue, Albert Lea and St Cloud should not be on the control points. Des Moines and Fargo for I-94 will do just fine. I live in MN and their signage is not the best.

@ControlCityFreak

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@ethanellis4662

8 ай бұрын

St. Cloud is big enough to where I could live with that being a control city, but absolutely not Albert Lea.

Do you know the reason why Interstate 35 goes to 35E&35W in Minnesota&Texas?

@EvoLeef

2 жыл бұрын

There are 2 metro areas along 35 that have 2 major cities to go through. Minneapolis/St Paul MN, and Dallas/Fort Worth, TX.

@scpatl4now

2 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLeef That's true, but always wondered why the didn't do a 235 or 435 loop that covered the lesser city and just looped back to the main I 35. That's how they do it in other places.

@EvoLeef

2 жыл бұрын

@@scpatl4now There's not really a lesser city, they are both big cities and each have their own loops. Dallas has 635 and FW has 820

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think there's really any other metro areas with 2 principle cities in the same way as these two. SF-Oakland, but there's no odd numbered interstate in the metro to split (though 580 and 505 used to be 5W). Miami-Ft. Lauderdale could maybe qualify, but there's no even numbered interstate to split. Baltimore Washington used to split 70 but then 70S was changed to 270. Maybe AASHTO made them change because the routes don't meet again the way the 35s do? Not sure.

@dvferyance

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlCityFreak There is also Seattle Tacoma but both are served by I-5.

1:29 and 12:00 Columbus and Denton splits

More I-35

10:57 uno reverse card

I love the 80 West Omaha sign!

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

Me too! Was shocked to see it

@brucetelfeyan

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlCityFreak Since I live in the Big O, it is especially gratifying!

@tomcat630

2 жыл бұрын

It's in Clearview font

@dvferyance

2 жыл бұрын

I think it was a waste of money. The old signs were jsut fine.

@mxderate

2 жыл бұрын

@@dvferyance Council Bluffs is just a suburb of Omaha. Idk why you think Council Bluffs is a good option.

Mod's the way it should be: Minneapolis, Des Moines, Kansas City, Wichita, OKC, Dallas, Fort Worth (on 35W), Austin, San Antonio, The Alamo, Laredo, Nuevo Laredo

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

Solid

Loving the channel, but hate your fandom. MIZ

@ControlCityFreak

2 жыл бұрын

Rock Chalk!