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Jasper wasn't just a top lad at football he was a proper Fagan father type figure to the lads of all ages. Common knowledge up stoke that when jasper moved to the coast anyone with hard time issues addiction on the run or just needed a fresh start they were sent up to stay with him no questions asked

@antonyclement8871

5 күн бұрын

Proper dude salute Jasper

West Ham always came into The Boothen but only in small numbers. One game they moved down towards the Boothen Paddock (where Stokes main firm were). The old bill made the mistake of taking them into the paddock instead of walking them round the pitch. They got absolutely battered. I know, I was there. They got trapped inside & it took old bill a while to rescue them then escort them to the Stoke End. After the game Stoke lads went up Butler Street to Lonsdale Street then hid behind graves in St Peters Churchyard. As the ICF passed they got done again. Mind you a few years later Stoke got a kicking on Kingsway car-park on the way to Stoke Railway Station. Stoke followed West Ham then ambushed them on the car-park but another larger group of Hammers ambushed Stoke. Stokies refused to run, so I've been told 😉 and got a good pasting. The Good Old Days eh? I remember hiding in a bus depot at Upton Park too just behind the away section. Like a scene from 'On the buses'...Orr rite Blakey 😂

@SE16Proud

3 ай бұрын

100% Fake m8 grow up n stop reading books..stick to comics...😡

@petermcdonugh8426

3 ай бұрын

Always a good day in the seventies..Burnley v Stoke. Blackpool v Stoke same era . Carnage.

@seanmick6134

2 ай бұрын

It’s why no one can ever claim to be the best fighters because everyone gets done at some point. You’ll always have your more serious hooligans but everyone wins & loses in that game.

@andrewdinatale8207

2 ай бұрын

I ate you butler!

@paulkillick527

14 күн бұрын

@@seanmick6134 everyone bleeds mate 👍

Being Millwall fan from South London, mate im a lot older now but seeing this really brought back them yester year memories💯 quality video man 👊💥

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Thankyou my friend

Another great listen, love your channel, Ben. All the best.👊🥊👍

I used to live in Stoke, all over from Burslem, Meir and Castle knew couple lads from Stoke and Vale never really had any trouble from any of them. They seemed friendly tbh.

Bootham crescent was York city , Stoke had a boothen end.

Football violence and hooliganism is part of the grass roots in the landscape the new age crime gardners cultivated...its not gangsta storys of the usual kind that only a few % strolled but football was a working man's crack at violence AND crime (of sorts) for the many who in the most were buckling down making a honest living of 9-5 but wanted to keep that side of there character and passion of good honest gentleman violence of which is a thing of the past and will never be got back due to times and technology. The camaraderie and love of your enemy was the best drug ever! Good drop Loved it Ben! Not what some people would call crime but is what a lot of people got there weekly sin from! Cheers from a fellow enthusiastic and it was a good little piece! It's normally about celebrity fans,some people did get into real crime off the back of it,drug dealing,robbing,organised theft,not gangsta stuff but I've never met a gangsta in my life!

love it ' as a palace fan remember the grave yard fight with stoke fans in early 80's ' great day out did get a bit mental ' buts thats what it was all about ' good mem's from this video.

@kevengriffin1429

2 ай бұрын

Palarse 😂 won't come to cafc

went 77, we had a great day out, we were aware and ready for graveyard.

A Good book to read about football hooligans and Crime both in equal measure is Grafters by Colin Blaney (RIP) he was part of the ICJ the Notorious Man Utd Firm who followed Utd all over Europe in the 70s 80s and 90s Robbin high end jewellery shops in Switzerland and Dipping people, Colin also was on the real football factories Britain's toughest pubs, secrets of the shoplifters and pickpockets, he was a friend and 1 of the most intelligent and interesting people I've met and had a few more books too his name before he passed away aswell

@pablojablo6371

2 ай бұрын

A few years behind Liverpool though.

@Jammo1978

2 ай бұрын

@pablojablo6371 he admits in the book that it was the mickey mousers who 1st put him onto the graft abroad, no secret that the scousers were way ahead of the game when it comes to graftin, my Dad was a scouser but a straight member armed forces and all that but his younger brothers used to follow Liverpool away all over in the 70s and 80s and theyd come back with kashmir and mohair jumpers in some crazy colours 🤣🤣🤣😁

@essexnto

2 ай бұрын

​@Jammo1978 I know this will come across as disrespectful but I've got to ask, isn't it true that Blaney didn't even have the money for his own funeral and that a whip was needed to raise the dough for it?

@Jammo1978

2 ай бұрын

@essexnto you know what mate I couldn't answer that question but what I can say is that he was working as an expert advisor on location for a few Hooligan films and I'd seen him working for Salford radio and he'd got a few plan's in the pipeline but you know how the lifestyle is 1min your flush and the next you ain't but another thing I can say is that there wouldn't be short of a few people willing to front the readys for him aswell RIP to the legend 🙏🙏🙏

@essexnto

2 ай бұрын

@@Jammo1978 can't say I agree with you about holding bundles one day and being skint the next. From a personal angle I've never been anyone, although I done a bit of this 'n' that back in the day I supposre, yet when I was on the deck I still always had a few grand stashed away in the bank. When I say that I'm talking about when I was even in my 20's, never mind now that I'm in my 50's and relatively comfortable. I didn't know the geezer and as far as I'm aware he never followed England so I wouldn't have even ever come across him without realising back in the 80's, so I'm in no position to cast judgement. My only thoughts are there are those who was proper faces in the 80's and 90's becoming 'celebrity hooligans' that turned a quid and are still holding big money now. But then there's others who ended up dying young without two bob to rub together, Nottingham Forest, Chelsea and Carlisle spring to mind instantly. I'm sounding right moody and disrespectful when I don't mean to be, just proper curious because of stuff I've heard that might or might not be true.

This channel is gold keep it up mate great content 👍

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Thankyou mate very kind

I have the book a while ago brings back memories

Best channel out there by far

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Thankyou my friend

Naughty 40 too fast too innocuous Remember that flag in Split 😂?

Just a correction from Cass Pennants book its victoria ground not Bootham Cresent 😅

@herbert9241

3 ай бұрын

Bootham was Hull's ground, wasn't it - the old one?

@herbert9241

3 ай бұрын

Boothferry was Hull. Bootham was York. Same county. It's all 'booth' this / 'booth' that up there.

@chrisloweth3395

3 ай бұрын

@@herbert9241 boothen end was stoke mate

@herbert9241

3 ай бұрын

@@chrisloweth3395 - Aha! There's the source of Cass' confusion. Thanks mate.

@davidmay2073

3 ай бұрын

Cass Pennant talked alot of 💩

Knew bill , worked with him and next door neighbour, generous, funny and family man

Living in East London in the late 80s, I saw this musclebound guy swaggering towards me with a logo of ICF written on his white T-shirt and a dangerous glare on his face. I was just a kid so he took little notice of me and I didn't know too much about hooliganism, but I knew there was something wrong with the logo. I turned my head to take another look after he'd passed by, and on the back it read, 'Ice Cream Factors, Chelsea'! 😂

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

😂😂

@cm-oo1td

3 ай бұрын

Ice cream firm actually

@marcellos9208

3 ай бұрын

Nice story 😴😴😴🤡

@gc9017

3 ай бұрын

Story from a true “mivvi”

@paulatkins5847

3 ай бұрын

@@gc9017 What's a mivvi mate?

Great Video.👏

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Cheers my brother hope Yr well

Kind words about my lot (Stoke) Seems like a different life back then. I'm 65 now, and yes. The graveyard, and the back streets of Stoke were where I did my hunting. As you say. No weapons just hand to hand. The Sea Lion in Stoke was where all the tough older guys hung out (ex boxers, doormen etc) It was run by a tough bugger but he'd let the odd few away boys in. You knew if one had got lippy or lairy as he'd be stretched out unconscious while people drank their beer. The fighting was like a drug back then. I've got arthritis in my effing knuckles and wrists now thanks to that.

@jules1817

7 күн бұрын

Larry parks( sea lion)

I from Stoke icf good firm stoke always had there boys who where up for a ruck naughty forty one of best firms

My grandad was a stoke fan so was my dad they always said the only thing worse than losing a fight is running away from one . I guess been game was more important to some people. Especially when ya got nothing but your pride. My grandad got trampled on by the police horse's back in the day guess he had a lot of pride not to budge😂

My experiences of Stoke are a proper firm always have been

Read it great book. Naughty was to boring for me tbh. Tranmere Rovers old boy not as they call themselves now the Stanley Boy's we never had a name. But awaydays is about the older boys never used weapons.

Stoke never played at bootham crescent .⚽😎

@charleshannam

3 ай бұрын

York City

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Yes mate they got that wrong in book Victoria Ground

@burnleytilidie1882

3 ай бұрын

He does say in the book only stoke and Burnley used to be only the places they’d get trouble in the 70s.

@mrdog2019

3 ай бұрын

Barnsley was another@@burnleytilidie1882

V good vid 💯👍

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Thanks mate

Ah I love hearing about the football firms and the fights back in the day

Stoke a top mob for a number of years- we've had some run in with them over the years home and away. NUFC

@marcellos9208

3 ай бұрын

Newcastle never had a top firm

@martinpye549

2 ай бұрын

Newcastle ...4KNL ... brought 9,000 one year ....only 5,000 official tickets. They did do some damage.

@drover110

2 ай бұрын

Stoke murdered us tbh but we got revenge back in 08!!@@martinpye549

@marcellos9208

2 ай бұрын

@@martinpye549 bullshit

My first encounter with West Ham was about 1970/71 when I accompanied an older relative to the Vic because he liked WH and I needed to stay away from meither. We were minding our own business going over the canal bridge to the station( before the D road was there!!). Behind us were at least 500 of us but in front about 100 WH stopped and formed a line across the road massive blokes half white lads half Black. Was well impressed (I was 15) they organised themselves into a couple of lines, threatening anyone who would run away. Our mob came up got about 15 yards away, took a look at what was in front of them and stopped. We were big in numbers and had plenty of lads who could look after themselves but their organisation spooked us and got them onto their trains. It was only in your era J when we finally got proper organised became a force👍😎⚽️

Stoke Graveyard Shift of the Naughty 40 were proper scary, never really spoken of too much in terms of the involvement, but these guys were the original firestarters to break a police escort. Father Jasper is like a true paternal figure to the area, &w/his military background, was tactical and disciplined. The story about 8 Stoke lads, Jasper, &the alliance they had in that moment with another firm (cant remember but they helped out in the fight) against one of the big BIG firms: Millwall. One dude throwing a flying dropkick and sacrificing himself to buy them time.

Don’t remember them coming to Upton Park

@Lionboy2930

2 ай бұрын

Correct...

1st firm was Aberdeen in scotland by REMY

@neilweir7149

2 ай бұрын

TRUE ! 👍

@pablojablo6371

2 ай бұрын

Liverpool showed you how to dress in 1980.

1998 at stoke was mayhem. mcfc.

@user-me-user-you

3 ай бұрын

The year they went down

@orbytl2799

3 ай бұрын

yeah man, i remember that year i was in burslem later in the evening and it went off with vale too after you lot had gone home 😆

@martinpye549

2 ай бұрын

my cousins were there. I was in Oz.

Stoke's Bootham crescent ground ?

Bill Gardner is and always will be a legend. Jasper , well, he is one as well and one fine lad. He has helped plenty of Lads in Stoke over the years. I was born in Stoke, grew up in Oz, and was back as a young man through 88-92. I was naive to much of it, but remember Birmingham and Grimsby away especially. Got nicked a few times following Stoke about . Got myself into strife a few times too, and was pulled out of mither by Cossack, Jed and a few of the others. I was a hothead, and at 57 now, many say I still am. But I've mellowed. The N40 lads were sound as, still are. Ask Cardiff, Wolves, Man City to name a few. They were good times.

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Top man Martin

Since when did Stoke play at Bootham anything?

He dont sound like he from London does he.

Hello 😊

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Hi 👋

Never forget when I lived in the Bermondsey area think it was around the middle to late 90s and Millwall were playing stoke on a Sunday I kid you not they were in a pub in Bermondsey double early 300 handed and though I never saw nothing but did hear that they caught Millwall out can anyone confirm? I’m West Ham by the way and that graveyard 🪦 and walking towards the ground with the terraced houses I think the road split and it always went off up there especially in those streets good firm stoke 👍

@drover110

3 ай бұрын

aye it was tropics- they set it alight and gave Millwall a real shock by all accounts. NUFC

@Spiderdan-59

3 ай бұрын

Millllll

@Inmyopinion10101

3 ай бұрын

That wasn’t the only time. We done millwall on London Bridge. 70 stoke lads. It was mental. I’m 57 now. About 15 years ago I met a lady sunbathing on the beach in Mexico. We got chatting and she was a retired underground police officer. The conversation got round to that London Bridge battle. I recall about 89. She said it was the worse violence she ever witnessed. Nasty in her words and she said stoke were impressive. I asked who are the worst team to come to London. Leeds she replied. But that was the worst she had seen. Fair play to the millwall. Top firm.

@Spiderdan-59

3 ай бұрын

@@Inmyopinion10101 I was away in Northern Ireland in 89, id heard about it, can't see that happening, and we had Hull come down they were a good firm hull

@user-vl1kk7zu6g

3 ай бұрын

Yes ur right Stoke run Millwall that day outclassed Millwall

West ham never got done looooooool

@user-vl1kk7zu6g

3 ай бұрын

Got run by Luton Migs fact

@garyedwards9759

3 ай бұрын

​@@user-vl1kk7zu6greally?? never see that in the 80s fact.

@stephenrice1592

2 ай бұрын

@@user-vl1kk7zu6g I was just being funny mate

@pablojablo6371

2 ай бұрын

They came unstuck at Anfield in the 70's.

Bootham Crescent was Hulls old ground?

@user-nd5fz5jd9o

Ай бұрын

Hull was boothferry park

@eddiejamison

Ай бұрын

@@user-nd5fz5jd9o Thsts right. Went a few times. Right horrible place that. Always had to be on your toes.

Stokies aren't Northerners 😂

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Anyone North of Watford Gap are northern according to the London lads

@anthonymitchell8893

3 ай бұрын

not moryhners just Midland hillybillys 😎

Naughty 40

Bookham crescent was York City. Not legitimate.

Bootham crescent wasn’t stokes ground it was Victoria Ground

@enquirer2.0

2 ай бұрын

It was a mistake in the book. I'm from Stoke I know what it's called I was reading from the icf boom and put a correction up on the video

Nothing big bashing the Ice Cream Firm.. COYS..

I watched the film cass based on a true story about a west ham hooligan from icf. Good film

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Stoke lads were in that as extras

@justinnewton9509

3 ай бұрын

@@enquirer2.0 oh really didn't know that. Fight scenes were very good that'll be why there weren't acting it was there bread n butter and had plenty of experience in fighting. Great channel keep up the good work.

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

​@justinnewton9509 Thanks mate. True story the blonde guy in the film can't remember his name got hit properly and had go hospital which caused him issues for another film he was supposed to be in after. I can't remember the actors name

@justinnewton9509

3 ай бұрын

@@enquirer2.0 I think I know the 1 you mean I did recognize him from rise of the foot solider or something like that. Occupational hazard I suppose.

@user-vl1kk7zu6g

3 ай бұрын

Film pure fantasy Cass is a well known grass

walleys the lot of them :(

Stoke City have gone up and down all four divisions over the years: Stoke lads are no secret to anyone who follows football - through first hand experience or reliable testimony. I'll never get dewey-eyed about 'the casual era' (I thought it was utter bollocks but I warmed to some of the lads as I got to know them) and I've never read a hooli book. Funny thing is, talking to 'younger' (under 40) lads these days, topic turns to footy and you impart a couple of anecdotes ... I'm often met with the assumption that I got it off some KZread upload - like they do. They think they can cite the same reference. Absolutely not. If I was talking about someone else's experiences as seen on a KZread upload - I would say exactly that. I don't understand the need to pretend you're someone else.

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Completely agree . I was involved but went on to other things but still mates with the lads although it's all finished now imo. A lot of the city revolved round the football lads in Stoke from security to owning pub n clubs etc

I thought this said Ice T meets stoke . So I’m not watching

And you still haven't grown up? This is why everyone should say 'no' to inbreeding.

You can tell this is a load of old codswallop when the narrator, a supposed Stoke fan, says Bootham Crescent ground, the stadium of York City.

You're a Stokie?

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Yes

@jonathanphillips9366

3 ай бұрын

@@enquirer2.0 And support West Ham?

@mariobennison2706

Ай бұрын

From Stoke but support West ham Why

Love the football stories can we av some men in black or Red army mufc

@Bri-254

3 ай бұрын

Stoke or West Ham never showed at Old Trafford during 70s and early 80s that's a fact i can tell you mate.

@user-kg5vw6df7o

3 ай бұрын

​@@Bri-254 Evil place Utd Not for the faint hearted Shady especially for us Scousers

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

There's the Ferry one I can do

@Bri-254

3 ай бұрын

​​@@user-kg5vw6df7o At least the scousers came back then mate and I can only remember Rangers being the other.

Big Bill, after we woke up, a man at the end of his days remember him melting and denying who he was or what team he followed.

The only thing Stoke fans ever did was sling bricks at the away trains from a graveyard

@davidhanson3661

3 ай бұрын

Talk 💩💩 , if you could throw a brick from the stoke graveyard, you should be in the Olympics!!

@martinpye549

2 ай бұрын

Crystal Palace out of the station .... they were FULL bricks. Graveyard ? Half bricks ?? ... we valued half bricks in Stoke. Helps to make new bottle kilns for the pottery industry. You must have been special if we gave you half a brick. Be a good throw from the graveyard to the station. They'd be on a Major League Baseball Contract and £30 million quid.

@leekirkham1985

2 ай бұрын

So they slung bricks almost two miles? That's got be a world record surely? Impressive if true.

Birmingham bashed stoke all time home and away

@Spiderdan-59

3 ай бұрын

Zulu 👊💥💯

@malthusXIII-fo3ep

3 ай бұрын

RUBBISH! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@williamwootton9458

3 ай бұрын

Does truth hurt muppets stoke​@@malthusXIII-fo3ep

@williamwootton9458

2 ай бұрын

@@malthusXIII-fo3ep uno it's truth truth hurts

@davemorris1710

2 ай бұрын

Not true

Football Hooligan are worst than Gloryhunters not welcome at Football ground.Real football supporters shake hands after the game all the best for rest of the season.

@tonemc6047

2 ай бұрын

What world do you live in ?

@IssacLHunt

2 ай бұрын

@@tonemc6047 Earth any more stupid question?

@davidbarclay2335

2 ай бұрын

Younger fan not from the 70's 80's

@leekirkham1985

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, and then we ride home on our unicorns.

@ullscarf

2 ай бұрын

Stoke didn't play at Bootham Crescent, that was York City.

Grow up

I’ve got that book in the photo with the congratulations your met the icf it’s a real good read and I’ve got a book on the stoke naughty 40 was it I’ve forgot without looking

@enquirer2.0

3 ай бұрын

Yes mate 'Naughty'

@jamesfaircloth5469

3 ай бұрын

@@enquirer2.0 I thought so have a good weekend mate 👍

West brom Lloydy knocked one ov the top n40 lads sparkout right outside the brummie rd in the 80s, he got nict for it, was payback for wat happend in the glebe pub..

@user-bu2fg6yq1q

3 ай бұрын

Handsworth boys were WBA main firm, rob Wilson and Dave, RIP Dave wilson

@user-fj3iu6wl6v

3 ай бұрын

@@user-bu2fg6yq1q iv never heard ov them geezers pal..im 62..i was there all the time..the star & garter pub in town was our place..muttley, pona..lloydy..proper geezers..we dun stoke few times

@user-fj3iu6wl6v

3 ай бұрын

@@user-bu2fg6yq1q yeh.my mate just said he new wilson..in 1979 in west brom town..no body cud take us

@user-fj3iu6wl6v

3 ай бұрын

@@user-bu2fg6yq1q think yr getting mixed up with the smethwick lads..bowie..ect...

@noncookiecutter6753

2 ай бұрын

West Brom couldn’t run a bath

Jasper wasn't just a top lad at football he was a proper Fagan father type figure to the lads of all ages. Common knowledge up stoke that when jasper moved to the coast anyone with hard time issues addiction on the run or just needed a fresh start they were sent up to stay with him no questions asked