I can imagine that back in the day it would be terrifying to see someone coming at you swiftly whilst holding a sharp sword and screaming like a crazy granny.

@venrahtryne5253

3 жыл бұрын

shut up and take my like

@wa6p798

2 жыл бұрын

In fact, when the Satsuma Domain and the United Kingdom fought a war in 1863, they must have used this sword fighting technique in hand-to-hand combat. The Satsuma Domain was defeated, of course, but the United Kingdom suffered as well. You can find it in the historical documents of the British side.

@FiasaPower

2 жыл бұрын

While wielding a no-dachi giant blade. That should be really terrifying.

@nickaschenbecker9882

2 жыл бұрын

Depends if you already fired your matchlock or not. 😂😂😂 周りをファックして見つけてください さつまの犬

@randomanonymousperson7582

Жыл бұрын

I practice HEMA and I like to use Jigen ryu's sword barrage technique (00:33). Let me tell you, the technique works like a charm.

Love how they use just sticks of wood and bamboo. No fancy bokken. I did kendo once with a person who also did Jigen ryu when I lived in Fukuoka. Their kiai and strikes was unbelievably strong.

@sunwukong3108

3 жыл бұрын

3:46 *proceeds to use bokken* (they use the sticks because bokken break easier and it'd be a waste, I used a bokken practicing strikes on a small dead tree in my backyard and it's broken now, at least my new cold steel polypropylene bokken is strong enough to break cinderblocks without breaking so I wont lose another one, its important to use bokken because they give you the feel of a real sword and that can be necessary when doing kata)

@yosecretsquirrel

2 жыл бұрын

Huh, i was just thinking the opposite. Delayed strikes, poorly timed ( as in late) ki ai. Generally no spirit. No intent. And what was the deal with the Bo? Perhaps these arts have truely died afterall.

@Veepee92

2 жыл бұрын

@@yosecretsquirrel Koryu schools still deliberately perform their kata "wrong" in embu.

@chinolatino9663

4 ай бұрын

😅any specific reason for that ? Or is it that back then embu was not usefull or intentionally taught?!!!​@@Veepee92

Notice one vital component of their kata. In the beginning, most ryu would have the senior and juniors bow to each other before the start of the kata. Not Jigen Ryu. This ryu has no etiquette performed and the practitioners just go straight into the techniques. This lack of etiquette shows just how ruthless and deadly their mindset is towards combat. To them, the enemy is to be utterly destroyed and not to be respected. This entire attitude carried over to the Shimazu Clan in which Jigen Ryu was the official sword school of the clan's samurai. This was what made the Shimazu Clan so feared by their enemies. Only reason why they didn't become the rulers of Japan was because they were situated all the way at the southern tip of the country.

@711jastin

4 жыл бұрын

this ryu is so practical, it made into the police department training（the one in this video）。

@jwgoon

3 жыл бұрын

@@711jastin I kinda wished I trained in this ryu but ended up with another one instead. Not that I'm complaining.

@ET-bf6su

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't realize that they don't bow in their Kata, so your comment was very new to me. Indeed, they are in a battle field. But, your comment that they don't respect enemies, is somehow weird to me. To respect others is one of the most important things in Bushido, and I think Jigen-ryu is much more like a technique how to survive in a kill-or-be-killed situation. In Satsuma, there is a doctrine saying "Do not flatter the upper. Do not despise the younger", which is considered that respect and harmony is important to keep the mind calm in the personal relationship. Satsuma Samurai had make their carrying sword sealed by a string, and were taught not to break until the last moment, or without a risk of his own life. They were too faithful and conservative in the revising era, and I think they were just behind the modern society.

@jwgoon

3 жыл бұрын

@@ET-bf6su Yeah I think my words were a bit too strong but I don't know how else to describe it. And coming from someone very used to bowing before and after training with a partner, seeing the JIgen Ryu's lack of reiho was a bit of a shock to me.

@hobbyman47

5 ай бұрын

the sword school that even the shinsengumi feared. and also, one of the responsible for the downfall of the Tokugawa shogunate.

Just imagine actually being on a Japanese battlefield centuries ago and instead of the relatively stoic and refined warriors you're used to facing, you're suddenly rushed by a bunch of people wailing as if they've completely lost their minds hacking violently at you...It's on of those things that in context, or hell even if someone charged you on the streets wielding a sword for some reason or any significantly lethal object would be rather jarring in person. I'd be shocked if one was not least startled by it. I mention this because some people in the comments don't seem to fully understand what exactly they're looking at. It may look less impressive when someone's just striking a piece of wood with a stick, but if you imagine it in context.... Kenjutsu (the sword fighting styles the samurai used to kill on the battlefield), is not unrefined, but it is more direct and brutal than many might imagine. All Jigen Ryu does is distill that brutality. Let it never be said that berserkers only ever existed among the Norse...The people of the Satsuma region also had them among their ranks.

@FiasaPower

2 жыл бұрын

This is a battlefield oriented style. There are some alike too, but this is the essence of sword in all styles, often disguised by fancy moves and etiquette.

@erichvondonitz5325

2 жыл бұрын

Iirc, a manga gave some context saying the Satsuma region is the one that teaches this technique. Also you should never block their attacks cuz you're just gonna get killed

@nickaschenbecker9882

2 жыл бұрын

This dude sounds like he stepped on a nail.

@nicholashodges201

Жыл бұрын

@@FiasaPower no kidding. Watching this they're so solidly grounded you know there's some wicked force in those strikes an zero worry about tripping yourself on a body strewn battle field

@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699

Жыл бұрын

A real samurai battle would be unrecognizable to those who have only seen romanticizing movies

Beautiful, beautiful attitude. Very inspiring. Thank you.

3:51 It was at this moment I realized...Grandma has been using INTENSE Ken-jutsu on me since I was a kid....

@nickaschenbecker9882

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like he should be doing that one-handed with a flip-flop, right?

@AlaskaHaikuWarrior

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@mason7645

10 ай бұрын

Being old means survived.😂

To get a sense of how terrifying Jigen Ryu is, next time you spar with someone, change the rules so that doubles count as a win for your opponent and they have zero self preservation… Now imagine someone who constantly fights with that mentality…

@randomanonymousperson7582

Жыл бұрын

Dude, I've tried the technique showed in 00:33 whilst I was sparring with my friend (I practice HEMA), AND IT WORKS. Most of the time, my opponent would be disoriented and confused and could only defend themselves.

@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699

Жыл бұрын

@@randomanonymousperson7582 ​ ​ likely the same story for those who fought against the Shimazu Clan Samurai. You can’t constantly defend or constantly step backwards, so you would want to counter. Only when you realize the opponent doesn’t care if they take a double is when you realize you are screwed.

3:50 That was hard to watch haha

@cypresswillow2591

4 жыл бұрын

Welther47 : I cant help but see an old lady bashing her umbrella to a bag theif.

@davidbarnwell_virtual_clas6729

3 жыл бұрын

My God, they sound like something out of a B grade horror movie.

At first I thought "why are they fighting with tiny sticks?" then I realized it's because they're so strong they would hurt each other otherwise.

Bravo. One of the few ryuu-ha that maintains important concepts such as intention, zanshin, and other intangibles. As a military man, I can say that this is one ryuu-ha that will give you the tools for the battlefield. Many ryuu-ha have a format that can develop martial values and skill, and indeed once did just decades ago, but bluntly put the level of understanding and skill has fallen drastically in recent times. I applaud Jigen-ryu for going against this trend.

@glassfireactual9207

4 жыл бұрын

I agree.

3:40 the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in my life!!!

@yosecretsquirrel

2 жыл бұрын

That sums up this entire demonstration for me.

@nickaschenbecker9882

2 жыл бұрын

Bruce Lee getting an atomic wedgie. This whole thing is a sad circus.

@blacksnapper7684

Жыл бұрын

@@nickaschenbecker9882 do you even understand what your looking at??

@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699

Жыл бұрын

@@blacksnapper7684 none of them do

As someone who broke their bokken training against a dead tree, where the hell do they get their wood from, it seems as strong as Gintoki's... it must be wood from the same legendary tree from another planet

@yosecretsquirrel

2 жыл бұрын

Proper selection. My Bokken and all my staves were made of heartwood and liberally lindseed oiled. Never had one break or split.

@nicholashodges201

Жыл бұрын

@@yosecretsquirrel I have. A proper bokken is strong, but they have their limits due to being carved then curved. The sticks they use are just dried and have noticable give, which likely makes them more durable. Also I strike VERY hard and have never knocked chips of wood off the target with a bokken the way these guys are doing it with *sticks*

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh🤘⚔️

I notice there are no directly over-the-head sword postures as seen in other ryuha. Is this particular to Jigen Ryu or is it just not demonstrated here? Thanks.

@eedwardgrey2

4 жыл бұрын

Its apparently their thing to use a guard called tonbo-no-kamae , which is above the shoulder instead of above the head

So i read the description and i understand what is written there, but to me it doesn't seem to match up with a lot of what I think I'm seeing in the video. I think I've wandered a bit far from home...

Why do they use sticks instead of bokkens?

Isnt that first guy the person who was in the video from Abroad in Japan?

Hi! I'm very knew to Japanese weapon arts, but I am very curious about Jigen ryu. Could someone tell me what the difference between "Jigen Ryu" and "Tenshinsho Jigen Ryu" are? Are they the same art? Or different arts with similar names?

@Mesaaaaaaaa

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm not an expert, but I was able to find they both originated in at the time Satsuma Province in the southern tip of Japan, around the 1500s. Jigen ryu is more about what theyre doing in this video, longer engagements with multiple strikes focused on effect over flash. Tenshinsho jigen ryu looks like it puts a lot more emphasis on the very first strike, from the draw. They train their first strike to not allow their opponent to attempt to rebuttal.

@MMABreakdowns

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mesaaaaaaaa thank you!

@kevinmerit4301

Жыл бұрын

Tenshinsho jigen ryu is the main branch of all jigen styles. So they are related, but the only thing they have in common is the tombo kamae. It is assumed that this style was taught to low ranking samurais who couldn't afford lessons or any means of training. It's very difficult to find any good videos of Tenshinsho jigen ryu, however branches of jigen like ryushin jigen ryu which is now renamed ryushin shouchi ryu is probably your best bet on finding good videos of the true swordsmanship of jigen. The kata's are extremely beautiful and also very powerful. It's reminiscent of the (very beautiful) katori shinto ryu style. Which makes sense because tenshinsho jigen ryu is a descendant of katori shinto ryu.

@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699

Жыл бұрын

@@MMABreakdowns tenahinsho Jigen Ryu can be classified under iaido while Jigen Ryu (seen here) is kenjustu. Both were very likely taught together to Shimazu samurai.

3:51 what was that?

All that coughing in the background. It's like another martial arts show in itself.

A long time ago, I read that Jigen-Ryu had an influence on modern (post war) Karate. Since then I've seen Jigen-Ryu several times. Always ondering. But for some reason never asked. Why are the using sticks and not bokken? Why are they screaming so high pitched? And then later they use bokken and meet swords even in silence...??? Can anyone provide me with a useful link or something?

@renatao6330

5 жыл бұрын

I have the same doubts

@NomadBulldog

5 жыл бұрын

IIRC one of the recent heads of Jigen-ryu was asked about the link between Okinawan Karate and their style. He actually said that its unclear who influenced who and it could be just as likely they were influenced by Okinawa! What is known as that the Okinawan upperclass did have opportunities to train in Jigen-ryu and there's even historic correspondence between Sokon Matsumura, a Karate master, and the then head of Jigen-ryu from before the Meiji era. Matsumura definitely trained in Jigen-ryu and its hypothesized that certain aspects of Shorin-ryu footwork maybe came from kenjutsu footwork.

@astavas8341

4 жыл бұрын

Jigen ryu was one of the style that used by the hitokiri from bakumatsu era. So yeah go figure. It's more into mental attack and mind conquer instead of 1v1 honorable combat.

@tengu190

4 жыл бұрын

@alvi syahri I like how they are like 'we dont need a fancy bokuto.'

@711jastin

4 жыл бұрын

as long as it's a long stuff, they can weaponize it, be it lead pipe or some stick.

Shows the power of a straight stick, that’s for sure! I wouldn’t want to hit by their bokens or swords.😬

Is that Alex Bradshaw in there?

生麦事件でこれを食らったイギリス人はビビっただろうなぁ。ちょっと羨ましい。

3:15 lo mas gracioso que vi en mi vida!!!!

@jennergarcia2248

Жыл бұрын

Te falta vivir mas entonces..

They could be metal singers if they want

How can the audience not die of laughter witnessing the screeching of that dude from 3:40-3:50?

Berserker kenjutsu 10/10

Nakamura Hanjiro's soul brought me here 😂😂😂😂

So they're Breath of wind users?

@Fyn114

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, so you were also curious too, huh? Also, I can imagine Sanemi doing something like this, what with all the shouting.

Nice choreography

@Welther47

4 жыл бұрын

Of course it's choreography, idiot

Think of Kirino Toshiaki attacking the enemy lines as the last samurai warrior in 24. September 1877. Fighting to the very end. Leaving behind his legacy and a Lot of Dead imperial troops.

The Japanese kenjutsu you thought: Two dudes trading awesome hits back and forth The real Japanese kenjutsu:

@guillaumeerard

3 жыл бұрын

Anime aren't reality

Satsuma gishiden

5:30... AMSR

Hell yeah! I got a dead pine tree I beat on with my jo,bokens and batons. This is a really cool demo. I also like to hang ropes up with knots tied in them. This is a good way to practicing targeting on small movie targets. And it also works well for atemi waza as well. Be aware the ropes strike back, lol.

@nicholashodges201

Жыл бұрын

Tennis balls are great too. Just pay a neighbor kid $5 to throw them at you at various speeds & heights

03:50 Highlight

abroad in japan lead me here

Why are they screaming ?

@diobrando5299

4 жыл бұрын

TheRazaah the most notable aspect pf jugen ryu is how offensive and ruthless the style is. alot of their training includes working on their ki, or spiritual energy. so those "screams" are called kiai's found in many martial arts like karate (which i practice)

@711jastin

4 жыл бұрын

might seem weird and hilarious from the side but try being the receiving end of the attack. Now you get the reason.

@koutareyama8393

4 жыл бұрын

@@711jastin drowns out thinking and stuns whoever is unlucky enough to have self-doubt.

I've never seen such mummery.

Нда...

bunch of jappanese guys beatin wood

A lot of rage and same cuts, how do you like your meat, medium rare? Some cool shaking a Wakizashi and shouting! The sheer intensity of wooden touches.🤔

Why when they atack they make sounds

@Fyn114

2 жыл бұрын

That is called a Kiai. "Kiai" is a Japanese term used in martial arts for the short shout uttered when performing an attacking move. Students of Japanese martial arts use Kiai to either startle or intimidate an opponent, express confidence, or express victory. The physical aspects of a Kiai are often used to teach a student proper breathing techniques when executing an attack. Jigen-ryū is also famous for his specific and impressive Kiai they called Enkyō (monkey's scream). The shout tightens your core muscles and generates more power for your strike as a result. If you’ve ever moved a heavy thing and grunted from the exertion, then you’ve done the fundamentals of a Kiai. Besides tightening the core muscles, a Kiai can also be used to prevent damage to the stomach by forcing air out of your lungs. This keeps you from losing your breath if you get hit or kicked hard in the solar plexus.

@user-ez5gh5lx1l

2 жыл бұрын

This is what is called 「猿叫」ekkyo（shrieking monkey） in Japanese.The warriors who learned this style risked their lives just to get that one powerful attack by sounding like a monkey.If the attack misses, the warrior has no choice but to die. That is swordsmanship we are looking at now.

Samoan moms: 3:10

squirrell guy

Back in the day, they needed to make citizens with 0 martial art knowledge into deadly soldiers as fast as possible. Mastering single slash skill was the most efficient way. Learning too many moves at once will only make you hesitate on the battlefield. You just need to know how to charge in and cut down as many foes as you can, while screaming at the top of your lungs to strike confusion and fear into your opponents.

LA vie fait mal ,espérance a des CARACTÈRES infinitésimaux ,je tousse je brigue je prie....

I love how that one dude just keeps swinging the the Tonto and screaming high pitched 😂🎉🤣🤣

LOL

3:51 absolutely lmao.

ridiculous

funny haha

so funny

If someone came to me with jiajiajiajaia like that white dude I'd die of laughter 😂my karate coach's kid did something similar I was always struggling not to laugh and role on the floor.

0:33 His form is terrible...

@Keevas2123

4 жыл бұрын

form is the least you can worry in battle.

@Spiffo12

3 жыл бұрын

@@Keevas2123 Don't bring "battle" and "effectiveness" into this, please....

@Mangix974

3 жыл бұрын

Hasso no kamae, as the Jigen Ryu intend to apply is actually the best form to swing over Chudan and Jodan Kamae in battle... using the full power of shoulder and elbow to blow with strengh.

Not trying to be that guy, but I'm having a very difficult believing that this is a legitimate and effective martial art. All I'm seeing is swinging a baseball bat and hoping for the best. No offense to the practitioners of Jigen Ryu, I'm sure they really enjoy what they do, I'm just skeptical of the practically of it all.

@Keevas2123

4 жыл бұрын

This kuryo is one of the most feared. They use this during the meiji restoration rebellion

@giorgiomantuano1000

4 жыл бұрын

Historicaly they were quite famous as effective swordman. I really like the idea of one powerful deadly blow. But I can see what you are saying. I think that some kenjustu kata are (like some karete kata) obscure and of difficult understanding. What I see here is a formalization of the timings and the situations you can use in battle.

@giorgiomantuano1000

4 жыл бұрын

Also, their blows must be crazy heavy and fast.

@TheMuckrakers1900

4 жыл бұрын

@@Keevas2123 It may be true that it was used in the Meiji Restoration Period and it's conflicts like the Boshin War but I don't think leaning on exceptional heritage is the best argument for effectivity. It's been over a century since then and in times of peace poor techniques always worm their way into a martial art if the practitioners forgo practical training.

@TheMuckrakers1900

4 жыл бұрын

@@giorgiomantuano1000 I don't doubt your perspective on the matter. I think you are correct in saying that this is formalization of technique, and that fast heavy blows can be extremely deadly. My main concern is seeing so many East Asian martial arts that don't do enough full contact sparring, if any at all. I think what I would love to see is a true Reformation of many of these martial arts where the practitioners sit down and work hard at finding the techniques that work and setting aside impractical techniques for only formal expos like in the video. It's been an extremely embarrassing moment for Chinese martial arts recently with the part time MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong mopping the floor with so-called masters one after the other. And where I think there are certainly times where fake martial artists should be put in their place I think it would also be important to allow a traditional martial artist to clean up their own style and make sure that it actually functions properly. Historical European Martial Arts (HEMA) has been doing an excellent job of this imo where they practice technique until it feels like they got it then spend considerable time applying it in full contact sparring against an opponent actively trying to stop them from achieving the technique. I'd love to see Jigen-Ryu and many other students of the katana to take their martial art that direction.

Lame