I bought an Intel MacBook Pro 16 2019 with a 5500m and bought an EGPU with a 6800xt. It works in boot camp and Mac OS flawlessly. I repasted the chips with PTM 7950, and added some thermal pads to the VRMs and it's amazing! It's perfect for my work flow and allow me to wean myself off of windows. AS a game dev, I use Linux, Mac, and Windows, all bare metal. It's been great. And doing the dev work in Mac, I dont' have to fight the OS to get work done. Intel Macs still have a solid purpose and will be supported for a while still. Oh I paid only 700 USD.

@craigneidel

28 күн бұрын

Nice. The bottom line is if it works for you then it's perfect. Thanks for watching the channel.

I just bought a 2015 15” MacBook Pro with 16 gb ram and 512gb SSD, running Ventura with Open Core. Screen is perfect, it’s my new travel laptop for web maintenance. $120.

@craigneidel

3 ай бұрын

Nice for the money. Yes, they are good travel laptops for sure.

@Noobatsecs69

14 күн бұрын

Same I got the same one but with the dGPU on it, perfect for some gaming and some image and video editing

Thanks Craig, that iMac would be a great option for folks on a budget. My last Intel Mac desktop was the 2018 Mac mini. It was an excellent device and had the one feature I really miss with the M chips, the ability to run Boot Camp. I just checked eBay and it looks like the price starts at ~$300US.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, that is a nice iMac. Wow, $300 that is a crazy price. There are some deals out there for sure.

Thanks for your insights Craig. I saw one of your older videos talking about an iMac and MacBook Air combination. I wanted to ask you what you personally would think of a desktop/laptop combination of a Windows desktop PC and MacBook to get the best of both worlds, and if they could work reasonably well together.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

If you want or need Windows that is perfect. Just get what works best for your workflow. I always have a Win machine also for various tasks.

My wife just got an M1 Air (and loves it). But I didn't want to drop a grand or so on a new Mini with 4k monitor so soon after. So I'm sticking with my 2017 Retina iMac. I've upgraded it to Ventura, to a 1T SSD, added 16 gig of memory for a total of 20, updated a bunch of apps. All for about $300. So yeah, an Intel Mac of a certain vintage should do you fine for at least a couple more years.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Yes, they do get the job done for sure. Being a Mac channel I buy a bunch of Macs but only because of that. Otherwise I would use them for many years.

Patchers are not always 100% compliant. I've had mixed results with them. Another factor to consider is that the latest Chrome requires at least OS 10.15, and you can have issues with KZread on operating systems earlier than that. So I'd suggest not buying a Mac that can't run at least 10.15. Another bit of advice - the MacBook Pro line from 2016 through 2018 had issues with the keyboard, but the MacBook Air models of the same year had no keyboard issues. All of that said, I'm a fan of older Macs - I'm watching this on a 2012 Mac Mini connected to my TV right now.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, the keyboard issue was real but any Mac surviving this long most likely should be good for a little while more. I have not had any issues with Open Core if you are using that one as long as you confirm it's on the supported list first. Thanks for sharing and watching.

Looking forward to your next video on the newly released M3 macbook Airs. I know it'll be something along the line of , 'M2 is still good' and yep, it is. I am just surprised Apple ended up with putting more anti finger print on the newer M3 with the new coating. Thank goodness it has 2 monitor support now!

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, it seems like a nice system for sure. The M2 is still good and the M3 is slightly better but is going to cost quite a bit more for the upgrades.

Using my 2020 iMac i7 5700xt 64gb ram, it's a BEAST! I also have the M1 Pro as. a laptop and let me tell you, it doesn't miss a step in regards to the comparison to the M1 Pro. The GPU 5700xt is also better than the gpu on the M1 Pro.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, some of the older ones do have the larger GPUs. Battery life suffers but they are still good for quite a bit.

I love the 27" iMacs. I wouldn't go earlier than 2020 (maybe 2019), though, for the longest OS support.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, unless you use Open Core etc. But the 2020 is a great machine.

@garrykanter5773

4 ай бұрын

@@craigneidelI've reached the point where I'm not messing around with the stuff anymore. They know what they're doing better than I could ever know. So, if I can delay what I define as obsolescence for a couple years, when I'm buying used equipment (and still get that great 5k screen)...

@craigneidel

3 ай бұрын

Yes, it's nice to not have to install the extra software for sure. I hear you on that.

Loved this video, especially as someone who makes very similar videos on their channel. One thing I do disagree on is recommending any MacBooks from 2016-2019 - the butterfly keyboards are far too problematic. I've owned 6 MacBooks of that era and had issues with 4 of them. It sucks, but those MacBooks simply aren't reliable and leave us in a weird spot of either recommending something older (which are all getting really old at this point) or newer (which are too close to the M1 Macs in price). Either way, thanks for an awesome video, throughly enjoyed it!

@craigneidel

Ай бұрын

Thanks and appreciate the post for sure. Yes, the MacBook during that time can have issues but what I have found it if they make it until now they normally don't have issues but it's a total chance either way. The M1s are great machines also and I do recommend those to most users that just need basic stuff done. Thanks again.

@zircoben

Ай бұрын

@@craigneidel Good perspective! Appreciate the response!

@craigneidel

Ай бұрын

I'll need to check out your channel.

I bought a 2017 MacBook Air i7. The OS is limited to Monterey but the great thing is that I upsized the SSD using an M.2 2280 1TB PCIe Gen3. Perfect for it!

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, those are nice for sure. Also you can use Open Core to increase the OS to the newest levels if you want to later.

I got a 2018 I7 Mac Mini with 32 GB of ram with a 128GB Hard Drive for 388.76.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Not a bad price at all with all that ram.

I’ve bought several Intel MacBooks at really cheap prices through CL or even Nextdoor. Usually a simple SSD upgrade and Open Core installed and I’m good to go. It’s great because I can leave them at various places and not worry about toting my M1 around at the risk of losing it or having it stolen.

@craigneidel

3 ай бұрын

Yes, Open Core is great and for the money they are nice. I like to travel with them for the same reason because you don't need to worry about them being stolen.

I recently sold my old MacBook Pro I7/16GB/512GB SSD for €200 (Mid 2012). It was still in a perfect condition. Upgraded it to Sonoma with Open Core Legacy Patcher (easy stuff). Me happy and the buyer as well.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Nice older system for sure. Good luck with the new system if you got a new one.

@barbancourt69

4 ай бұрын

@@craigneidel Bought the macbook air 15 with 24GB/1TB. (Don't need it, but had a super good deal.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Nice, enjoy it and with that much ram you should be good.

Got a friend selling a 2020 MacBook Pro intel used. Thoughts? HR mentioned it was slowing down but with recent update its speed back up

@craigneidel

Ай бұрын

How much is the question. If you can get a really good deal (cheaper then the M chip macs) then consider it.

@juliussmith109

Ай бұрын

@@craigneidel $400. Just heard 2 years intel will stop support for these devices though. Thats why I’m kind of leery about purchase.

@craigneidel

Ай бұрын

Yes, it's a choice you will need to make but seems like a fairly good deal. Thanks again.

how about a macbook air 2020 i3? is it good for school? like for pdfs, yt, and mutli tasking

@craigneidel

3 ай бұрын

How much. They are ok but m1 air is so much faster that if you can get one for about 200 more I think you will be happier with that for sure. Of course budget is important so only if you can swing the extra cost. The older air would still be ok for basic work

Can I use 2014 pro i7 , 16gb ram 128ssd for video editing,,, premium pro and after effect??

@craigneidel

3 ай бұрын

I had answered this in another post.

My only question is what are your 2 MacBooks that you showed, i5, i7?

@craigneidel

28 күн бұрын

I think those two are i5s. I did videos on them if you search my channel.

I would consider buying them for kids to use with school work etc, but not necessary for university. At some point, apple will pull the plug in supporting all Intel Macs. As secondary systems they are excellent, I’m using a 2012 I7 (I think) Mac mini as a Plex/media server.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, they are not for everyone and really for people that can't spend more. Thanks for watching.

intel macs are perfect for me for the time being. for my workflow I don't need crazy perfomance. i got an 2013 mbp running sonoma and it does the job for me, its also quite snappy.

@craigneidel

Ай бұрын

For sure, if it works then why spend more. Thanks for watching.

Hey Craig, great video. I've been thinking to get a MBP 2020 (intel i5) with 8GB ram and 256gb ssd for like 705€ do you think it worths it? thanks

@craigneidel

7 күн бұрын

It's a touch call when it's around that cost. How much can you get a M1 Air for as those are going to be just as fast and have the newer chips also.

@Salvaa26

7 күн бұрын

@@craigneidel it really depends cuz ive been looking around backmarket, and currently the m1 air is around 720 and with discount the intel 2020 16gb ram and 256 ssd is at 620. Bur do u think that theres a big difference between those 2? Because ive been always a pro user and i love the design much more than one from the air

@craigneidel

5 күн бұрын

Yeah, either the Air or the M2 you can now get for like $829 on sale. I think you will be happier with those longer term. The Apple silicon Macs (even airs) are so much better then the Pros from the last gen and basically are faster in most ways for sure. I don't think you will be disappointed. You can also find a refurb M1 on eBay for around $550.

@Salvaa26

5 күн бұрын

@@craigneidel thanks

I bought a Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro 16GB with 512 GB SSD for $99.00 Plus shipping , Tax tot al $130.00 one think wrong left speaker does not work. Very Happy with it

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Wow, that is a great price. For the money that is not bad and if it does what you need then that's all you need.

@williameverets2736

4 ай бұрын

I am not a Butterfly keyboard Fan, 2013 through 2015 MacBook and maybe a 2019 MacBook, I will not buy other the years i typed. Maybe I will try the Vinegar trick one day just to see what happens. Thank again!@@craigneidel

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, but if the keyboards haven't broke yet they are normally going to be better then the ones that broke early on. But, I hear you on that.

Had to ask for a loan to my bank to buy a M2 MacBook Air. I managed to find a deal on the 1TB for €100 less than the 512GB model which is the size I knew I needed, but 1TB I never thought I could afford. I know M3s came out before I bought it but I don’t need the newest model. I’m happy with that but I still want to buy another air, a 2015 intel one but I no longer see the point though, I’d just use it as a writing machine which I can do on my M2 or even on my hackintoshed Asus laptop. I’d just be reassured to have something cheap on the go rather than something I had to borrow money to afford. In my area you can’t buy Mac’s for that cheap. The cheapest airs I found on eBay are €200 and pretty beaten up.

@craigneidel

2 ай бұрын

Yes, in some places the used market is quite different. If you have a M2 Air now then you should be set for a while. Thanks for watching and posting.

2:30 an intel mac can do what m series cant run multi version of mac os

@craigneidel

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.

I got a 2018 Mac mini that was new in the box last year for 300.00. It was never opened still had all the Apple stuff in it.

@craigneidel

2 ай бұрын

Not a bad cost but the M1s are now very close to that in cost and will be a bit faster. Either way I hope you are enjoying it.

Is 13inch MB air 2019 i5, 1.6hz it runs latest OS, 8gb ram, 128ssd & been cycled 48 times worth 450 bucks? Insightful video btw 👍

@craigneidel

2 ай бұрын

It should run the newest OS but I would look more for a used M1 Air as it will be much faster and maybe $100 more.

Great video. Unless you have a special use case, or have lots of money to blow to be on the bleeding edge, Intel Macs work just fine for what most people do on their computers.

@craigneidel

2 ай бұрын

Thank you. Yes, Intel Macs still work great and I use my 2017 with 48 GB for most of my 4K edits.

I''d rather buy real PPC macs than a intel one. cheaper doesn't change the fact it was bad. While I still use my 27 inch intel iMac, I won't buy another one I just wait to have the money to buy a new M1 or M3 computer.

@craigneidel

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I agree but if somebody has like a $200 budget some of the older iMacs and MacBooks are good enough to get some work done in some cases. They are still better then most very inexpensive Win laptops in that range and you can load on Open Core for newer OS versions.

I love my intel macbook pro. I don't want or need unified memory. Plus parallels is to much of a performance hit. I would rather use bootcamp and run windows natively.

@craigneidel

28 күн бұрын

Use what is best for you and I always say that. No need to spend money if you don't need a new system.

Again, valuable video from Craig 🤝 Without marketing bullshit (thanks for the honest review )

@craigneidel

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback and for watching the video again. Appreciate it.

I probably wouldn't buy one now, but I still use from time my old 2011 macbook pro, which replaced one where the graphic card failed. It still runs osx snow leopard and runs an old copy of photoshop. I have seen intel macbooks selling really cheap lately. This will eventually happen to all computers including the M3 max in time.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Wow, 2011 nice. That is going quite a way back. Goes to show you how long they can last.

@frazerweb

4 ай бұрын

@craigneidel I still have an 2009 intel dual core for ripping MP3s had one new mother board 3 hard drives and still works lol.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

I have a 2011 iMac but nothing older then that.

alot is going on on my side but ill put it on a quick story, i lost my car and i was thinking should i get a new one or commit to finishing my setup this year, i figured out 2 things, first i want macbook pro which means pay over time and second apple march event, if apple release the new ipad with next chip to run games i intend to buy it, if airpods max 2 also comes out i also will get those, if none of those come i will just get macbook pro pay over time, my daily life is now research, netflix/yt and gaming, when i get macbook pro it will enable me to use imac as external monitor for netflix/yt and macbook pro for research and maybe i resume webtoon also if utility allows it, and as i watch netflix i game on my ifon,ipad also has same use for apps plus it is bigger and better if comes with next gaming chip, this allows me to do 3 things, save ifon battery, use it as external monitor or just use it as a individual device for its spefific games since mac and ios use different games, plus they are both touch use unlike mac, for 2024 that is my plot, for 2025 is next ifon, i itend to own 2 ifons because i cant carry ipad with me daily and i cant stay without a phone for 2-3 weeks(pre-order), as for mac gaming i did not give up, im just delaying it because of battery limitations, once it degrates i need to buyback to get value back so getting max is not valid right now, especially since i do not game on mac anytime soon netflix and research takes priority for me, stuff piles up and i lack time to be up to date on everything, i hope you're doing well and keep it up.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the post. Sorry about the car. Sound like a good plan moving forward with all the stuff you plan on getting.

These systems are also a very interesting option for anyone cross shopping against Chromebooks

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

For sure and great point.

Only two things that are really annoying with Intel Macs are the loud fan and the horrible battery life. Especially watching youtube. Other than that these Intel Macs are just fine. Especially the ones that were released without the butterfly keyboard a few months before the M1 came out back in 2020. If you can pick one up in pristine condition in sites like Swappa you would not be disappointed.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, the battery is an issue for sure especially if you get one with higher battery counts. The keyboards can be an issue also but they are now so inexpensive it's just a risk I guess.

my makbook pro retina died after 4 years, my hair las a bit longer, but is it reasonable to buy a laptop with glued battery and butterfly keyboards that are far slower than a M1 Macbook?

@craigneidel

2 ай бұрын

I would only recommend the Intel Macs if the budget of the person buying them can't afford the M-chip Macs. The intel can still work Ok but of course the M1, M2, and M3 will work better for day to day stuff.

i found mac book pro i9 64gb ram and 2 tb with box used 1 year , selling price 1300 Dollars , and he is ready to install latest os , is this worthy

@craigneidel

2 ай бұрын

What's the year? That might be a bit high and I would just get the 14" M3 Pro (with Pro chip) for slightly more and I think it might perform better. Don't get me wrong that is still a nice machine and I guess it depends on what you are doing with it.

@MohamedAhmed-mu4tu

2 ай бұрын

@@craigneidel thanks a lot , its old but it is still in the box , and screen is 16 inch , but i think better i wait for m3 with 16 inch used , as you told its better , i am a mac beginner and use it for studying online and play retro games

@craigneidel

Ай бұрын

Thanks and good luck with everything.

800€ for i9 2019 16inch MacBook Pro, with 64Gb of Ram. Crazy, but I would like that extra ram over M1 to be honest.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, the ram is nice to have in some cases for sure.

another great video

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the post and for watching.

@geminibodyshop71

3 ай бұрын

@@craigneidel I watch every video you do a great job and remain positive and impartial and that’s great

@craigneidel

3 ай бұрын

Appreciate the feedback.

Reducing e-waste = good topic. Intel based Macs are also good for running Linux.

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

Yes, they can run Linux quite well. I might do a video on that in the future.

got me a 2015 MacBook Pro for 150 on eBay spent another 80 upgrading the ssd to 1tb 90% of consumers wouldn't need anymore

@craigneidel

Ай бұрын

Nice and good luck with everything. Thanks for watching the channel.

In a word no you shouldn’t outside of a few niche use cases any money spent on an Intel Mac is money badly spent. I am still using a 2013 13 inch MBP myself because it still works for my word processing, email and media consumption just fine but I would rather buy a modern iPad than spend any money on a hot loud poor battery life soon to be unsupported Intel Mac.

@craigneidel

7 күн бұрын

As the M series macs become cheaper it's less attractive to use older Macs. But, many people still do and use things like Open Core for the OS. Just a fact.

@samlawrence4670

7 күн бұрын

@@craigneidel not saying they don’t do it there are enough videos on you tube about it showing they do it, they just shouldn’t.

@craigneidel

7 күн бұрын

Yeah, maybe but for some with very low budgets and with open core it works ok.

Is that a skin on your Apple Magic Mouse?

@craigneidel

4 ай бұрын

No, that is a mouse that I did a video on a few weeks ago. Cheap $15 mouse but looks cool.

Have an itch in my ass to try a macOS. But I can't justify spending money on a macbook since I have Elitebook 840 G5. The equivalent power macbooks are way to much money. And m1 are way fucking good to consider an intel option. Really like a 12 inch Macbook (2017 only), but that laptop is kinda ass and a waste of money. Thank you for recaling me an existence of mac mini, maybe this is my option.)

@craigneidel

Ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with a Mac mini. Thanks for watching.

Used thinkpads can run macOS better than these for less money.

@craigneidel

3 ай бұрын

I see that you don't like Macs. Three negative comments in a row about them. If you don't like a Mac that is totally fine but why are you then watching Mac videos. I always find that funny.

What should be cheap is that junk m series, you can upgrade them .they no better than a tv or throws made other companies

@craigneidel

Ай бұрын

They are great systems for getting work done. I use my m2 for 4K video production (on an Air) and I have no issues - not one. So the M chips are very good. Maybe the best.

That 2019 macbook for 200 was bent lol 😆

@craigneidel

3 ай бұрын

Works fine and is going to be used on the actual desk like a Mac mini. Screen was just damaged.

Agreed except on cost. Here in super capitalist Hong Kong a 150 dollar Mac performs about as well as a 150 dollar Windows laptop.

@craigneidel

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.