Thanks for the patience on this one! We finished it ~2 weeks ago, but we didn't complete the editing since we were working so much on that 12VHPWR story with the 4090. But now it can finally go out! Watch our revisit of the AMD Ryzen 2000 series! kzread.info/dash/bejne/iJeiyNV-msbRobw.html Find our Intel i5-13600K CPU review here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqOY0bqiYbyTgKw.html And our Intel i9-13900K review here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4urmNNvlrXUnqw.html

@FaceyDuck

Жыл бұрын

Hey Steve, any plans to do a 4080 teardown? Or would there be no point because it’s similar to the 4090?

@kwinzman

Жыл бұрын

There has been a ~20% AMD CPU price reduction in between.

@kwinzman

Жыл бұрын

The 7950X is only USD 555!

@chriss9809

Жыл бұрын

Why isn't there a CPU benchmark for cpu heavy strategy games like Crusader Kings III or Stellaris? Like how long it takes a game to finish playing on max speed. The games get really sluggish at the end.

@lukeearthcrawler896

Жыл бұрын

Why don't you include 4X games like Civ6 in the game tests which can actually stress test the CPU, instead of running 1080p tests with a 3090Ti? You're testing at 1080p because at higher resolutions you're GPU bound, I get that. But these 1080p tests are rather pointless, as not many people play 600 fps 1080p games. Phil's Hardware included Civ6 tests and there you can clearly see which CPU is better in a real world relevant scenario.

Looks like AMD lowered their prices for Ryzen 7000 across the board. I’m so glad we have such a competitive CPU market now.

@luxemier

Жыл бұрын

youre still coping huh? 13900k beats amd in almost every game. amd failed this gen were back to the pre ryzen days i guess

@yukisnoww

Жыл бұрын

@@luxemier lol, you live in a world where only gamers exist?

@yosemitesam9576

Жыл бұрын

@@luxemier ?? Its still competitive lmao

@RafitoOoO

Жыл бұрын

@@luxemier first, it trades blows with the 7700X, and the 7900X and 7950X are workstation CPUs who suffer a bit of latency due to the dual CCD. Second, wait for the 3D SKUs lol. And that's only gaming, in productivity the 7950X wins or matches the 13900K in all workloads.

@santyagobustamante7369

Жыл бұрын

Sadly it is only a temporary black friday thing, it is already confirmed, so we are most likely back to MSRP after this or next week

Your videos are the reason I was able to make an informed decision about buying what is best for the buck in my budget range. You guys with your top-notch reporting managed to save me hundreds of euros in the long run. Thank you for the work that you do.

@GamersNexus

Жыл бұрын

So awesome to hear that! Thank you for letting us know, and glad to hear you're happy with the outcome!

@TheTyphoon365

Жыл бұрын

They really are the absolute best. True professionals without loosing the common touch

@exalexal5003

Жыл бұрын

Still need to google up prices of your local country, in mine R7 7700X = 391 Euro, 5800X3D = 323 Euro and i7-13700k = 499.99 Euro

@warrax111

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you've sent them at least 2 euro tip, when they've saved you several hundreds.

@mariolp2999

Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus yes.. Gamers Nexus and harware Unboxed are the best...

Thank you for this review! I haven't upgraded my pc in over 10years. Was still running an i7-4790k and a 980TI. Was still able to play games. But I splurged and got this cpu and a 3080TI. So glad I did. Night and day difference and this review made me happy. Thank you!

@xiaowei1

Жыл бұрын

i also moved from the 4790k to the 13700... the 4790 was a great chip, but there is simply no comparison.

@Questchaun

Жыл бұрын

I went from 4790k to Ryzen 5 3600 to the 13700k. It's an absolute beast

@Maturin

Жыл бұрын

I had a 4790K too and moved to this cpu and looking to get amds 7900xtx

@ehsona1827

Жыл бұрын

What a massive jump, like going from ps1 to ps3. Nicely done!!

@timbertv5525

Жыл бұрын

I'd possibly still be running 4790k and GTX970 to this day if it wasn't for PSU dying, CPU temp problems and GPU software problems. Performance-wise they still hold up "acceptably" in 99% of games for 1080p.

This makes me feel good about my purchase of a 13700k for $400 flat (thanks MicroCenter). I upgraded from an 8700k so the improvements are just crazy.

@GamersNexus

Жыл бұрын

Wow! 8700K was good for years, though!

@KiiR745

Жыл бұрын

I'm into doing the same upgrade, did you purchase z690 or z790?

@venzpro23

Жыл бұрын

I got mine in bb for 379

@lyora1076

Жыл бұрын

I'm still running an 8700k as well. It still runs great, but I recently upgraded to a 3080 and I'm wondering if I should upgrade my CPU now.

@M4Inchan

Жыл бұрын

Same but from the 8086K but to the 5800X3D. The options are great and you cant go wrong with either vendor atm

Crazy, I was literally just checking your channel to see if you guys covered this chip yet. Thank you GN!

@GamersNexus

Жыл бұрын

MAYBE WE WERE CHECKING YOUR SEARCH HISTORY

@Hellstorm616

Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus that entry on my search history 3rd down, it was for research purposes, I swear!

upgrading from a 4790k to this cpu was a massive boost in performance!

@capo5005

Жыл бұрын

I did the same, was considering waiting another year, but in my case I'm ok with saving $ with sticking with ddr4.

@Youskarumbo

Жыл бұрын

Bruh that’s like going from a fiat panda to a Bugatti Veyron. Congrats

@GamersNexus

Жыл бұрын

One of the best things to remember with that kind of upgrade too -- almost anything will be a huge increase, so it's hard to go wrong!

@capo5005

Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus truth. When they dropped the 5600g to $110 a few days after, I had a few second thoughts... But I've learned my pattern of behavior actually prefers fewer upgrades over longer periods of time, so I don't have buyers remorse anymore. If we get 2x the performance at the same price within the next two years though... Then maybe. But I'm just glad we got out of the ivy bridge to kaby lake slump.

@webbedshadow2601

Жыл бұрын

Yooo nice, I'm upgrading from a 4770T to a 9900K I got for a great deal

Upgraded to the 13700k from the 4790k. The improvements are just unreal. I loved the 4790k though...

@Fahif808

Жыл бұрын

holy paytience

@novideohereatall

Жыл бұрын

@@Fahif808 Patience or being poor, that is the question...

@romaindro

Жыл бұрын

I did the same, from the end of DDR3 to the start of DDR5 !

@Fahif808

Жыл бұрын

@@novideohereatall you can be poor and still be impatient. So either way 🤷‍♂

@stonerock666

Жыл бұрын

same! from i5 3570k to this

Upgrading from 4790K to 13700K. First time in all those years I've felt it is worth it. Hoping this one will last just as long!

@jkiu2692

Жыл бұрын

Crazy that I’m in the exact same boat almost 8 years on my 4790k what motherboard are you going with

@SB379

Жыл бұрын

@@jkiu2692 I'm also still on 4790k, that thing won't die and still works ok. It's by far the most long lasting cpu I ever had and I'm still not convinced that I need a new one yet.

@iieffectz7714

Жыл бұрын

Who are you and why are you copying my cpu choices

@iieffectz7714

Жыл бұрын

Crazy that I’ve used a 4790k for over 7 years and just decided to upgrade to a 13700KF and so did you

@tresnonugroho6397

Жыл бұрын

Well, it's 9 generations of difference so of course it's worth it. 🤔

Upgraded from 8700K to 13700KF. Have it power limited at 190W with PL1/2, and it achieves basically the same performance in games, and just shy in benchmarks from stock. Best of all, can avoid the annoying thermal spikes when load starts!

@ganomaly

5 ай бұрын

so are you saying its not worth upgrading?

@M4rk58

5 ай бұрын

@@ganomaly Ah I see how my comment is confusing. I meant that the 13700KF performs the same in my games when I limit the PL1/2 to 190W compared to stock. Not compared to the 8700K. In terms of whether it's worth upgrading it depends what's your current CPU and what you're trying to achieve

@ganomaly

5 ай бұрын

I still have the 8700k at 5ghz. Wondering whether I should upgrade or wait a tad bit more. Either and or Intel not sure haha thank you for the reply. It'll be for gaming btw, and I've just picked up a 3090 couple months ago. Any advice would bee appreciated 👍🏼

such a well made comprehensive review of the different cpu's. thanks so much!

this is amongs the clearest and simple to understand comparatives visual I've seen on this platform, thank you for your work.

Thanks as always for your reviews GN! Hope we can get some more RAM and HDD & NVMe benchmarks?

Great review and benchmarks. I recently got one and I must say I'm very satisfied with it. Even though I could've gone with a 13600k.

Im planning on building a PC soon and your reviews have been invaluable, thank you

Been waiting for this! Been eyeing this to upgrade from my 8700K

I had a i5 8500 since 2018. Few days ago I bought i7 13700K. I am super happy with it. currently using a Noctua NHD15 with it. It gets a little toasty under high load but the performance increase is great. As always great review

@dkis8730

Жыл бұрын

I'm planning on either getting a 13900k or 13700k, but now way I'm running either without a 360mm water cooler lmao

Hello! For the production section of the CPU evaluations, have you considered adding a music production software, whether that be ableton live, fruityloops, etc.? Y'all are the gold standard for reviews in my book and knowing how the music to gaming overlap exists would be valuable to someone like myself. Thanks!

Thanks for all your in depth reviews. I built my first PC a year and a half ago and to this day it's been going strong and stable the entire time. Started with a 2080 super and 10600k OC@5Ghz and I've since upgraded to 3080ti (after price drop, lol) and 10900k OC@4.8Ghz cooled by a noctua NH D15 in a Lian Li lancool II mesh. Almost all parts I got from you guys' recommendations and I wouldn't feel comfortable buying a PC part if I wasn't able to get the input and extensive reviews you guys provide.

Been looking for this review! 👍

As of late August, 2023 - Micro Center has this bad boy on sale in a bundle. The CPU came out to 260 bucks, got 32GBs of DDR5 6000 36 for like 65 bucks, and a z790p wifi (didn't want the wifi capabilities but whatever) for 170 bucks. Couldn't pass it up. My 3070 is very happy and so is the credit card company lmao.

Happy that I went for the 13600K, saw an 80% improvement in iRacing fps over my overclocked 9600K. Probably even more now that I discovered the MSI "CPU lite load mode" that was set way too high from the factory. CPU temp dropped almost 20 degrees by changing a single parameter in the BIOS.

@mattdayman9632

Жыл бұрын

What does that mode do and how did you fix it?

@peiiider

Жыл бұрын

@@mattdayman9632 it changes how much voltage is added «for safety» under load/turbo conditions. Too much voltage gives unnecessary temp increase..

@rainretribute9852

Жыл бұрын

@@peiiider how do u do this?

This is a very awesome review. Hopefully you'll feature 13th gen benchmarks on ddr4 motherboards and memory soon

What a top-notch review. Most helpful as well, I have a 9th gen i5 system that I want to gift to my little brother and I've been exploring what my options for a new system are. Thanks for making this

Great video and echoes my own personal gaming and "creator" / professional experience. I got a 13900K as so much of what I do for work is single thread / core clock dependant but for gaming + part time studio work a 13700K is a heck of a performer and you could get (couple of thoughts) faster DDR5 (if your workflow even cares 5 vs 4), spend more on a GPU, larger and/or quicker NVME, heck put the difference toward a custom loop...

Man, I was considering going for the 13600k instead of the 13700k. But then I thought "I'll watch the GN review". And after watching this, I've decided that for 350US for the KF (it was on sale) against 300 for the 13600k? It was a no-brainer upgrade from the current 4470k I've been running all these years. Thanks so much! I always love your reviews and your processes, and I love the fact that I was finally able to act on an upgrade, after years of watching.

@zihechen3111

Жыл бұрын

Do not go kf unless u know exactly what u need, intel igpu act like a booster help speeding up PR streaming and all other sht. If u do any sht relate to adobe than k is a no brainer

@Nessaurio

Жыл бұрын

@@zihechen3111 Thanks! I mostly do gaming and very light streaming (Older games most of the time lol). So I went kf either way, I am rocking a 1080ti still and I'll hold off for one more gen to upgrade that. But yeah, I do no workload-related activities on this PC.

@rainretribute9852

Жыл бұрын

@@zihechen3111 so kf is more for adobe and not for gaming? I don't understand the difference between k and kf

@zihechen3111

Жыл бұрын

@@rainretribute9852 k is more for adobe. If does not have igpu, k does, and igpu is a must have if u want any adobe work

Very good coverage/explanation, as always, kudos. Personally I just recently purchased a 5800X3D as last upgrade for my AM4 board, as it's the most "optimal" for my specific workloads (that's more dependent on RAM speeds and suffers a lot from cache misses, rather than raw CPU speed) with the bigger cache, as well as upgrading to the next-gen a complete rebuild is not financially viable for me, concerning board, PSU etc. upgrades that would be required. A test for those kinds of workloads could be interesting for viewers, even if it's not the typical AAA gaming load (with Minecraft still being a very popular game that falls into that category from what I gather, and Factorio being a decently popular game where the community already established a benchmarking process to compare hardware). Just to show that it's not necessarily only raw speed that counts for everything. Considering the current energy prices (at least over here in Europe), it might be interesting for "consumers" (read: viewers) to add a test comparing power usage for a non-maxed out "reference load" and at "max load" given a specific setup. Might also be interesting to compare this across generations to see how it develops over time, given that the current trend seems to be to "just draw moar powa to make it go fasta" (obviously simplified). I'm going to assume any of those numbers generated in such a test would need to be taken with a grain of salt though, since I'll assume a more powerful CPU might generate more load for other components that would increase their power draw as second order effects. Still interesting though.

I was waiting on this review to decide between AMD and INTEL this generation, great review!

i was literally in the market for a 13th gen i7 or i9 and this was the video i needed! I imagine many others are making this transition as well during the holidays. great content as always! will continue to give you my watch time and likes!!!

@Exteliongamer

Жыл бұрын

So which one are u getting ??

@Krytern

Жыл бұрын

When i built my current computer I put in a 6700k and everyone was telling me i wasted my money. I explain i wanted to keep using it for about 6 years but didn't matter i apparently wasted my money. It took only 2 or 3 years for the 6600k that everyone told me i should of bought to start struggling in games. Not making that mistake this upgrade skipping the 13600k again.

@rainretribute9852

Жыл бұрын

@@Kryternsorry i don't understand 100%. r u getting the 13600k instead of the 13700k?

@Krytern

Жыл бұрын

@@rainretribute9852 I got the 13700k

I would appreciate , although it is less common in gaming , if emulation benchmarks were at some point included. Mainly since those are more CPU intensive than GPU and have been making strides in optimisation and compatibility as of late.

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

Just take an AVX512 i7-12700K batch with DDR5 and Ignore Zen 4 and Raptor Lake. IPC is the same (for 13th gen) and a 6% downgrade on Zen 4.

Thank you for the quality videos. I’m leaving a comment because I heard that helps channels out. I always buy mid grade equipment since I only play simple games but I like staying informed.

only you have such amazing analysis skill steve and there are very , very few like you in the yt tech market right now

I'd love to see a section about undervolting in these cpu reviews. Can you undervolt it? What chipset do you need? How much performance do you loose at which power target? With these modern CPUs and their enormous power consumption and cooling requirements that gets more and more interesting.

@Hurricane2k8

Жыл бұрын

I guess the reason undervolting doesn't show up in reviews is that it's almost entirely dependent on the silicon lottery. One CPU might be great for undervolting, and another sample of the same SKU loses stability as soon as you touch the voltage.

The generational increases from Alder Lake are really impressive. Especially compared to how Intel CPU’s used to be for years. Love competition!

@lightward9487

Жыл бұрын

Si cierto CPU potencia de intel es único que trabaja más mucho para jugar máximo FPS por 1080p más mejor mucho que menos 1440p y 4k? Creo que GPU es una de parte mayoría en cuello de botella si existen

Love the i7 gen chips. Looking to upgrade my motherboard and chip from the i7-7700 to the i7-13700k (Currently priced at $375.99). This upgrade is also going to be my first step into AIO's and I'm glad you tested the performance with the Arctic Freezer AIO I intended to buy for this build. Great review! thank you!

Great and informative video as always. Makes my decision relatively easier!

I got it for $350 at Micro Center, when it was on sale, last week.

@GamersNexus

Жыл бұрын

Great price!

@TJ.85

Жыл бұрын

I got mine on launch day via best buy for the same price... I had them price match micro center then used a 10% off coupon + I had a free $200 gift card from recent phone purchase and some rewards points all in all I ended up spending about $150 after tax for mine!

Would it be possible to get some sort of graphing for idle power usage and game power usage? I know these are particularly hard to really benchmark but getting a rough idea of the power draw of say the 7700x in a CPU bound game compared to the 13700k would be very useful information!

@SonicEldorado

Жыл бұрын

same "wish" here. I've ordered a 7900x, but I'm not sure about the idle power consumption. I would even return it, if Intel is significantly lower... (13700k)

1:37 Thank you for listing the cpus and prices. Normies like me don’t have all of the names and prices memorized. The table is really helpful

Very informative video! Thank you!

Would love to see more about coolers, temps and how to tame this beast of CPU. Definitely a great value for 3D work, but power draw worries a bit.

@webgpu

Жыл бұрын

great value for 3d work ?? it's a "C"pu not a "G"... 🤣

I’m finally retiring my 4770k for the 13700k. Can’t wait to put my new rig together.

@andrebark

Жыл бұрын

Same here LOL ... rocking with 4770k and RTX 3090 ... Maybe I go with 13700k too =)

@jankees4037

Жыл бұрын

I wanna go from 5800X to 13700K. Intel for the win.

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

I went for the 12700K vs my i7-4700MQ (similar to i7-3770). Raptor Lake IPC is the same as Alder Lake.

Good review as always, thank you.

I have been looking forward to this 💪🙌

The CPU market is finally exciting again! You really love to see it! Can't wait to see DDR5 to come down more so i can take advantage of these latest improvements though. It's still a little out of my price range. Thanks once again GN team. We appreciate the work you all do!

@DuBstep115

Жыл бұрын

Is it? Entry level amd platform is like 1000€ with ddr5, 7700x and mobo

@infernaldaedra

Жыл бұрын

There's no games that even seem to be benefiting tbh :( the problem right now is the game development itself

@DuBstep115

Жыл бұрын

@@infernaldaedra Nope, you have never needed a good cpu for gaming. I run 4k oled TV as monitor and 5820k from 2014 and I am not CPU bound at all with my 6900XT

@dapope3673

Жыл бұрын

@@DuBstep115 Cap

@alexanderruchkov7629

Жыл бұрын

@@DuBstep115 what is the made of the monitor and how is it with text/coding?

From 9900k to 13700k was noticeable, and got to keep my DDR4 ! Also 5.5 GHz on p-cores without any effort, making it basically a 13900k for gaming

@Mekojonessharktooth

Жыл бұрын

was looking at this upgrade...was the additional heat output noticeable as well? My rooms already getting too hot with 30 series and overclocked 9900k

@Dassick89

Жыл бұрын

@@Mekojonessharktooth you're putting out 250 watts of energy, a lot of that will be heat. So yes it will expell more BTU than a 95 watt 9900k. I have a 9900k and just upgraded to 13700k. I was able to undervolt -.090 vcore to get the temps to stabilize around 80c. My 9900k was UV too and would hit around 72c under max load. So there will be a 12% increase in temps. That doesn't directly correlate to how much warmer your room would get. There's so many variables. TLDR. Yes your room will get warmer around 10% fast or warmer than before, depending on room size, ventilation and cooling.

@lagarttemido

Жыл бұрын

@@Mekojonessharktooth Just go and buy AMD. Much more efficient.

@plasticelephant1969

Жыл бұрын

DDR5 prices are only a bit lower than DDR4 right now, if anyone's getting a new Mobo, it could be the time to go for ddr5 (But yes absolutely, if you already have expensive high quality DDR4 kit, keeping it is the better option at the moment)

@Freestyle80

Жыл бұрын

@@lagarttemido just stfu about amd

Nice, I was hoping this one would get reviewed

Thanks for the great review! I currently have the 12900K with an Aorus 360 Waterforce cooler and struggling with temps running C23, even with undervolt. Would interesting to do a temp comparison at high overclock on both with same cooler? From my research, it seems the 13700K has less heat under same conditions?

I don't play a lot of high FPS games, but strategy and simulation. Is there any chance of seeing a Civ 6 turn time benchmark when the 7000 series X3D comes out? Would be nice to compare 5800X3D 5950X 7700X 7950X against a hypothetical 7700X3D.

Great Vid guys. Before the recent price drop. I was wondering if the $100+ more for the 7900x over the 13700k was worth it and this sheds a lot more light on my inevitable decision

@ares23dc

Жыл бұрын

Even if they were at the same price, I would still choose 13700K over 7900X

Purchased mine on launch weekend as a replacement for 6700k, happy with it so far. Only needed to undervolt for it to not throttle with a Corsair H105 under full load.

If someone could please tell me what software was used to create the charts at 4:37 I would be ever so grateful 🙏

I'm in the middle of a complete rebuild from my 8700k (sold my tower before a large move) and I decided on the 13700k shortly after launch. This definitely helps me feel good about my decision.

@asahp_

Жыл бұрын

Same here except 9700k

@bgriff087

Жыл бұрын

Same as well from a 7700k

@foster4241

Жыл бұрын

Im so torn now because of amd price drop. Going from a 9700k aswell. I have a $100 gift card for Amazon too so I can get the 7700x for 250 or 7900x for $374 . My third option is microcenter 13700k for $380

@AzzaADHD

Жыл бұрын

@@foster4241 Just remember AMD's new stuff is ONLY DDR5. If that matters to you price point wise.

I'm feeling just fine with my 13700k that I upgraded from the legendary X58 platform with a Xeon X5680 at 4.4ghz. I'll just say the gains were fairly substantial! As far as power usage goes it seems Intel was quite safe making sure all CPU's remain stable and cranked the vcore much higher than it probably needs. Mine would near 1.4V at times and with a -100mV undervolt I dropped the package temp from 87C to 78C in cinebench. Not only did temps drop nearly 10C, power saw around a 50W reduction under load and to top it off it scores the same if not higher 30k plus in MT. It seems undervolting is the new norm for both Intel and AMD and if you don't do it you're missing out on a lot of free advantages.

@xiaowei1

Жыл бұрын

I also upgraded from an intel 4790k to the 13700. The increased performance was very noticeable.

@Trikipum

Жыл бұрын

undervolting has been the thing to do for the last 15 years ...

Thanks for comparing all CPUs!! Respects from Argentina.

Thank you for not making a gaming exclusive video. This is just what I needed

Seriously beginning to feel like picking up the 5800X3D was a great decision. I only use my pc to game and its still very solid compared to most of the recent CPU releases. Couldn't be happier

@Vantrakter

Жыл бұрын

I have yet to see a recommendation against the 5800X3D if all you do is gaming. Well, it depends on what resolution as well, it matters less at 4K but might still matter quite a bit, especially at the lows, if the particular game you like can avail of the large cache. Of course it depends on what you paid for it as well.

@tonederf6419

Жыл бұрын

​@@Vantrakter 1440p paired with a 3080ti. Got it for something like $375? It was on sale like 6 months back. Sold my old 3700x to a friend in need of a CPU for $100, so ended up even cheaper in the end. For most of the games I play I didn't notice much of a difference, but in Escape From Tarkov and a few other titles the difference was fairly noticeable.

@jordanplays-transitandgame1690

Жыл бұрын

13600k/13700k is better? why did you buy last gen?

@tonederf6419

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 because i started building it almost a year ago...

@jordanplays-transitandgame1690

Жыл бұрын

@@tonederf6419 oh then lol you got a good build

Can't wait to see it compared to the 8080

Hey Steve, thanks for the review. I was wondering if you could help answer this for me as I've only ever been able to find people talk about the sometimes quite large performance difference of DDR5 vs DDR4 on a high end Raptor Lake systems in relation to gaming performance but does this translate to productivity workloads too? Will using DDR4 3200 leave a lot of the 13700K performance on the table in non-gaming workloads? Thanks.

I just wanna say thank you. Final Fantasy 14 is my main game and to see the bench marks for it made it super easy to pick a cpu for my rig upgrade. Definitely will be getting this one now.

I definitely already watched the video and am writing this comment as a reflection of what I have witnessed in said video

@Stallzyx

Жыл бұрын

😆

@zivzulander

Жыл бұрын

I, too, have thoroughly consumed said video and observed Steve loudly proclaim something at some point in this video. Dry sarcasm may have been involved.

@budgetbiker7

Жыл бұрын

Actually an informative and interesting video now that I have actually scrolled through it. Serious consideration for a 13600k for me tho, it doesn't seem like the 13700 is worth it for the $. I do video editing and light gaming, and my FX 8350/hd 7870 is feeling a bit tired. Seems like intel is on top this time around.

I was planning to build an I913900K for my first built, but stepped away from the I9 because of reported high temps. I wasn't sure about that for a first assembly so i went with the I7 13700K. Z690E STRIX DDR5 32GB 6200Mhz 3090TI

Thank you for finally reviewing

Thank you so much for your work.

11:11 10600k was such a great gen improvement in performance-efficiency ratio at higher frequency. Anything that beats is likely AMD, with more cores which is irrelevant if you require single core frequency more and 5+Ghz is pretty neat at 60-100-200W power pull.

How would you guys feel about changing around a little with your CPU blender benchmark? Instead of showing graph of render times with all CPU's, would there be a way to say benchmark FPS performance in viewport like just rolling thru your intro animation? Since no one 'is or should' render with their CPU's anyway, but it seems like they do a bigger difference during viewport performance. Where you acually do the work before giving it to the GPU for render. Or I might be wrong. Love your work as always! Cheers

@samgoff5289

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter...the test is to show performance compared to other CPUs and they have the data for older CPUs to compare it with, wouldn't make sense to change to a new test when they already have the data to use for compareing against another cpu

@FluxStage

Жыл бұрын

@@samgoff5289 Fair point. It would be like adding another game to the chart. Annoying yes but over time it could work. Just feeel like blender charts are a little bit miss representive. Example: TR 3970x vs. 13700k. On a normal chart the Threadripper cpu would win since it has more cores and can render faster. But no one renders with CPU power and I bet the 13700k would be overall a way better experience in viewport performance. But! I might be wrong. Maybe time to dig out the old parts at home and test them.

Thank you. Very helpful

Looking to build a new pc with the 13700K in a Lian li lancool ii mesh c rgb, what cpu cooler would be best for thermals? I was leaning towards the NH-D15 chrommax, should I consider something else?

Built a system for a pal who brought a 12100F (unfortunately) and honestly, even at the extreme low end it absolutely blew me away how quick it was considering i'm still running an overclocked FX-8350.

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

Because Bulldozer IPC was so bad that 1st gen Intel CORE is faster per clock and anything above feels high end compared to that piece of trash. Being more accurate, is not the IPC itself, it's the terrible floating point speed. Alder Lake and Raptor Lake's p-core floating point is ridiculously good. Emulation beasts and destroy Digital Audio Workstations (they are all floating point based).

@ARH0101

Жыл бұрын

@@saricubra2867 He’s running piledriver, not bulldozer. That’s the 8150

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

@@ARH0101 Same sh*t.

@ARH0101

Жыл бұрын

@@saricubra2867 No, they’re not. They’re both FX chips of the same micro architecture That’s it.

@Tc4ify

Жыл бұрын

@@saricubra2867 For certain tasks it was even worse than core 2 duos, lol. I distinctly remember an overclocked E8600 beating overclocked 8150 in Skyrim, lmao.

Good stuff! Went from a 9700k to a 13700k, definitely have noticed a performance improvement

@_pant0m

Жыл бұрын

yah! 2-3 interval was the best path upgrade

@Incursoe

Жыл бұрын

I'm on 9700k and my 13600k is arriving soon. Can't wait.

@lagarttemido

Жыл бұрын

You guys really enjoy buying into dead platforms, don't you? How did it feel like watching everyone upgrading on AM4 for cheap? Ready for history to repeat itself on AM5?

@Incursoe

Жыл бұрын

@@lagarttemido I mean considering we got the others on release 4 years ago and only upgraded now, none of us are even going to notice, cause as you may have noticed, we're not the type to upgrade every single time a new thing comes out.

@dhLotan

Жыл бұрын

​@@lagarttemido I've been looking through all these comments and no one is opting for the 7700X or 7900X, which I'm thinking of getting because in 2024 or 2025 I can buy the chip that's beating 14 or 15th gen intel with no motherboard move. I don't know why you blame them though. That "dead" platform is insanely fast - and stable. Intel also has way higher memory bandwidth than AM5 is achieving w/ DDR5 too. A lot of Intel users upgrade every 5-10 years. A new platform is always required with that type of frequency. I do think it's a perk to upgrade in 2-4 years to whatever the latest CPU was for your platform. People that I know in the gaming community don't do a CPU swap unless they're going to the latest chips on the latest platforms. Hence why people don't care it's "dead" socket wise.

I've noticed a very high boost frequency even when the CPU is idle (~1-2% load). Is it normal that it almost permanently boosting to max frequency but still maintaining ~20W power consumption in "idle" according to HWinfo? It seems so weird and I can'T figure out what's the issue (if there is one)

Hey 👋 I have fractal torrent with Noctua NH-D15 is it enough to keep processes cool while gaming / working (software development) ?

I love this data. Really showing some real competition between AMD and Intel depending on what you are doing. Which is really great to see. Intel finally has to work harder and price accordingly.

I have a i9-13900k and I still can't stop making googly eyes at the i7-13700k...

@TJ.85

Жыл бұрын

The 13700k just makes way more sense for people who want "high end" but don't actually need production work tasks... And it's like 50% more money to get 13900k over 13700k if you shop around.

12:00 would it be practical to add a performance per watt to this graph based on render time?

I'm gonna be going from a budget it from like 2016 to one of these soon. My god, am I excited.

5800X3D, 7900X, and 13700k are the only 3 cpu's I'd think about buying right now. I kinda lean towards the 7900X, as it and the 13700 are stronger on productivity (mixed use), but the 7900x draws a lot less power, and actually increases in performance with a further modest down-tune in voltage (avoids thermal throttling, somewhat silicon dependent though). I also want at least 8 big cores purely for the primary application, with some additional compute outside those for background stuff (which the 5800X3D lacks). That matters in productivity _now_ but could eventually matter in gaming too. More pcie lanes on AMD too.

@infernaldaedra

Жыл бұрын

I like the Idea of the X3D technology with the RDNA3 where the gpu has faster cache from the CPU. I'm curious how much a benefit you really get though.

@SALMANNNNNNN

Жыл бұрын

based on what you are upgrading from going 7th gen AMD you will need to change a lot more than just the CPU

@kathrynck

Жыл бұрын

@@SALMANNNNNNN Yeah. Not really talking about an upgrade, but an all new build. I'd kinda like to keep the old beast functional for other purposes.

I was able to get a 13700k this weekend at $370 (thanks MicroCenter), looks like it should be pretty good value at that price! It's one hell of an upgrade from a 2700X. Thanks GN!

@TJ.85

Жыл бұрын

I paid $350 on launch day thanks to price match at bb + 10% off coupon then had $200 free gift card from recent phone purchase so paid like $150 for mine!

@orkhepaj

Жыл бұрын

good for u

@tbonelp81

Жыл бұрын

@@TJ.85 Nicely done!

@guilladogui8259

Жыл бұрын

how is the power draw compare to the 1200k ? do u know

@josephkool8411

Жыл бұрын

@@guilladogui8259 Jinormous

Do you review bequiet coolers? I wonder if I can go with top end air cooler for this i7. Can E cores be disabled to save power but keep P cores boost high?

Finally the review I was waiting for

Going from an i7 3700k to the 13700k is crazy. I loved that 3700k, but this new one is fantastic. Got it for only $329 new from Microcenter too!

@mateofernandez5975

Жыл бұрын

i have a i7 3700k too. Good old gpu

@016duda

Жыл бұрын

dude I swear I am like you I wen from i7 3700k to the 13700k also from GTX 980 HOF to RTX 4070TI ROG OC OMG

@OGZxK1LL3R

Жыл бұрын

@@016duda Haha nice, I also had a GTX 980 and went to a 3090 Ti.

@016duda

Жыл бұрын

@@OGZxK1LL3R we hit our lowest point dude 😂❤️

I upgraded from a 8600k to a 12700k via the microcenter deal. It is blowing my mind how powerful these new chips are.

@Fizzer99

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! I went from 9700k to 12700kf. I haven't used an app or game that use the whole cpu yet.

@asahp_

Жыл бұрын

9700k to 13700k now… haven’t gotten to try it yet but 👀

@dkis8730

Жыл бұрын

My heart says I want the 13900k, but realistically I know the value is just horrible compared to the 13700k since I usually just game. Decisions decisions

@Chadimusprime87

Жыл бұрын

Same here, love my 12700kf

@jasoar1563

Жыл бұрын

@@Chadimusprime87 ive upgraded from 12700kf to 13900k for future proofing reason. plus i have an expensive mobo and i dont want to replace that for a while.

I am very grateful for this review, as I recently bought an IBUYPOWER i7-1300KF with a 3070 card. The performance so far has been very good, but I was wondering what the difference was between this CPU and the i9. Thank you for such an in depth review. And yes I bought a ready made computer as I live outside of the US and it is hard to get and ship computer parts to my country at a relative decent price. For example, if a 3070 is 500US on amazon, my country sell it for 900US.

I decided to go with this from a i7 7700k. It def served me well but was def hitting a wall in anything cpu heavy at this point.

@TJ.85

Жыл бұрын

I had the same chip 2017-2020 but the "hitting a wall" thing is just not something I'm comfortable with plus I hate to see my parts lose all their value and basically end up as giveaways or just sitting in a drawer. I sold my 7700k for $300 and got a 10900k on its launch then sold that chip back in May this year for $390 and finally got a 13700k for $350. I've managed to keep upgrading and yet I bet I spent only about what you spent in the same time or maybe even less....

@lagarttemido

Жыл бұрын

@@TJ.85 If you enjoy upgrading that frequently you really should have moved to AM5.

@slakk5093

Жыл бұрын

Im going from a 6700K and it still serves me well, apart from VR where it really struggles

@laggmonstret

Жыл бұрын

@@lagarttemido Hehe true, and aim for the 7800X3D next year ;)

@ImperatorBaldo

Жыл бұрын

@@laggmonstret so many amd fan boys, kinda cringe

Pretty pleased with my 13700k purchase. After weighing the extra platform cost to jump on a new AMD socket AND pay for DDR5, I couldn't make myself make the leap. Ended up buying a Z690 board and reusing my DDR4 memory. I made the mistake of buying an i5 6600k years ago. This was right at the end of the "4 cores is all you'll ever need for gaming" era. I'm ok spending a little bit extra to future proof my purchase.

@silotes94

Жыл бұрын

I am in the same boat as you i have a 6600K now and i really need a decent cpu now for gaming :)

@jacksonsardello3959

Жыл бұрын

@@silotes94 grab a z690 board and make the jump! It'll be a great upgrade.

@animatrix1851

Жыл бұрын

6600 boat, EOL which is why now that the 7900x is on sale i feel inclined towards it given the same price given how Intel messed me up. I could possibly even make do with a cheaper cooler.

@SVT_LIGHTNING

Жыл бұрын

When i bought my 6700k back in 2016 and awesomesauce "now bitwit" and paul were saying i5 is all you need for gaming and in 2017 amd out of nowhere reminded everyone that wasn't the case lol I knew it in bf1 that 4 cores wasn't enough. Had my 6700k sweating hard out of the box. Even overclocked that poor thing to 4.7ghz at 1.4v for years lol Once I went to a 10700k back in 2020 it was a night and day difference on every single game I play. The 1% lows upgrade was the biggest thing for me. 8 cores is the sweet spot and i'll never go under 8 cores ever again. That's why i'm worried about the upcoming intel 14th gen. Been reading around the top of the line i9 cpu will only be a 6 core. Hope that isn't true..

@jacksonsardello3959

Жыл бұрын

@@SVT_LIGHTNING Well I can tell you that my new CPU is awesome so hopefully it will have a bit more longevity before it starts to show it's age!

Do you set a TDP power max? If I don’t, under all core 100% workloads it will thermal throttle. Is that inevitable?

Purchased this CPU in November with a bundle from Micro Center, and I really couldn't be happier. Running it at 5.3, and currently using an RX 7800 XT, which Micro Center had at an amazing price. Had a tower that was about 10 years old, using an i5-3550 with a 1060Ti. Such a huge upgrade. Thanks for all the great videos, keep them coming!!

So basically the 7-13700k will work well for music production. Good to know.

Been waiting for this. Picked up a 4090 recently and looking for a cpu upgrade as well over my “old” i9-10850k

@clansome

Жыл бұрын

Please don't call it old, that's what I have with my 3080. Yeah I know it is old technically but mine replaced an aging but defiant 2600K !!

@blkshp25

Жыл бұрын

Wait for AMD's new X3D lineup in a few months

@TJ.85

Жыл бұрын

I replaced my 10900k with this chip and couldn't be happier it's a beast in gaming and for what little "productivity" stuff I do it's been tearing right through it as well! Well worth it ESPECIALLY if you can get it for micro center pricing of under $400

@clansome

Жыл бұрын

@@blkshp25 That is the problem, always waiting for what's round the corner. It won't be cheap either, certainly not $50 more. will probably be priced to undercut the 13900k say $590 to $600 depending on how greedy AMD want to be.

@dkis8730

Жыл бұрын

@@blkshp25 I was gonna wait for amds x3d, but after looking at these reviews, it might just equalize with the new Intel cpus

Sorry to bother with silly questions but I'm new to building my first pc and I'm wondering if a scythe fuma 2 rev.b is good enough for the cpu ryzen 7700x or should i go with noctua nh-d15 cromax. black?

@TJ.85

Жыл бұрын

Do yourself a favor and look up hardware Canucks video on the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120... It's pretty much everything you'd need in the nh-d15 (I have both and can confirm) but it's like a 1/3 the cost.... It's absolutey the best bang for buck cooler of this size and style.... Check it out! You won't regret it!

Im curious. Is the 13700k the crappy binned 13900k? can you alter the TVB setting to get the same boost as a 13900k on a 13700k? Which one overclocks better?

@dkis8730

Жыл бұрын

I was curious of this as well, wish they did some oc benchmarks

Upgraded my sandybridge 2500k to a 13600k. It was a lovely jump in performance!

@rounaks6519

Жыл бұрын

Considering this jump from my 2500K now

@NomadJRG

Жыл бұрын

@@rounaks6519 well worth the upgrade, the 13600k is 2x as fast as a 5ghz 2500k in single core performance (3x as fast as a stock 2500k) and 5x faster in multicore workloads. They also overclock pretty well if you get a good cooler.

@rounaks6519

Жыл бұрын

@@NomadJRG what cooler did you end up getting

@NomadJRG

Жыл бұрын

@@rounaks6519 Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo V2

Speaking about drop in upgrades... would it be feasible to maybe do a guide in terms of upgrade paths from older gen CPUs?

@patricktho6546

Жыл бұрын

No. The information regarding performance is already there and everything else is very specific and best done by the person wanting to upgrade

@infernaldaedra

Жыл бұрын

What do you have right now....

@Kaulnapf

Жыл бұрын

Im not op but I have 2600 on am4 board and was thinking of upgrading to 5800x3d or jumping ship over to 13600k. Don’t want to upgrade anything in the next 4-5 years. What’s the smart move

@patricktho6546

Жыл бұрын

@@Kaulnapf 5800x3d is cheaper and since you don't want to upgrade anytime soon the upgradability on the 13th gen isn't that important

@ag8912

Жыл бұрын

@@patricktho6546 okay, sorry for asking

Does opened up alot of chrome tabs running videos, code compiling and gaming, all at the same time, count towards productivity work? In terms of CPU workload ofcourse ;)

What about H264/265 encoding and Gigapixel AI with large images? Is the i5-13600k going to perform similar to one of the other bechmarks with those tasks?

I got the i7 13700k for 450 euros quite a big deal 20 days ago it was 540 here. CPU market is great unlike the GPU in europe. Also Intel supports 7200+ ddr5 now. Which is finally a kinda good upgrade compared to ddr4 3600 at close to double the CAS latency. It´s in the mail, thanks for validating my purchase. Now I can sleep well xD

@kernoleary1394

Жыл бұрын

I'm curious about this, I haven't done a deep dive on ddr5 but I've noticed the CAS is much higher. Is there a performance gain to be had in gaming when double the speed but also doubling the CAS?

@PlayJasch

Жыл бұрын

@@kernoleary1394 Well from my basic knowledge when you double your speed and double your CAS you get the same latency but at a higher data rate. So in basic theory DDR5 should perform in all cases equal or better (if high data is required e.g. Open World). But there are like 50 timings in a ram so take this with a grain of salt. (and I dont know how they affect performance)

@awof

Жыл бұрын

@@kernoleary1394 Oh my god its Kevin O' Leary.

@kernoleary1394

Жыл бұрын

@@awof indeed, undercover

OK, but if you are pairing this with an RTX4080 or 4090 and running games at 4K, does the 13700K have an edge over the 13600K, or is the issue simply GPU? i.e will running games at 4K on an RTX 40 series card have CPU bottlenecks with a 13600K?

@Apollo-Computers

Жыл бұрын

You will be gpu bottlenecked at 4k.

Review makes me feel better about the purchase! Upgraded from an i7 6850k and couldn't be happier with my performance boost in... everything! (New mobo and everything)

I'd like to see the average power consumtion while gaming. Love ur videos btw :D

I think it would be very useful to add system (or CPU) power consumption during idling and/or gaming, because I think not a lot of people need their CPU to execute heavy tasks continuously...

@robertmyers6488

Жыл бұрын

You shouldn't buy this cpu for gaming so it is irrelevant. Buy this if you render. Then again you get the better of both with 7900x.

@orangecapy9494

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmyers6488 I was speaking in general, not specifically to this CPU. Though I'd argue that even people who use high-end CPUs for rendering may have significant idling times. And that gamers do buy these CPUs

@__aceofspades

Жыл бұрын

Intel has lower idle power consumption because AMD's I/O die drinks power when idle.

@TJ.85

Жыл бұрын

@@orangecapy9494 gamers absolutely buy these chips.... It's not that much more than 13600k and does offer meaningful gaming uplifts and at 4k/120 every frame you can get counts but it does it without costing 50%+ more like that 13900k (now THAT'S a chip only a production person should worry about) I got my 13700k for $350 and it's well worth it for gaming!

@robertmyers6488

Жыл бұрын

@@__aceofspades you are burning a hundred watts more per hour in performing the supposed benefit of this cpu. The idle doesn't. Require cooling and a larger power supply. Face it burns a lot of power that requires costs. The 7900x is a no brainer for the same thread count.