"When it comes to gaming, AMD is still on top..." Thats a phrase have not heard on a new intel cpu review probably ever.

@Rogerkonijntje

3 жыл бұрын

not since initial amd athlon vs pentium 3 1999 :)

@fredsas12

3 жыл бұрын

Tell that to Userbenchmark, haha

@Tc4ify

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rogerkonijntje No, last time was at the launch of the final Pentium 4 line (the Cedar Mill core) in early 2006.

@ruxandy

3 жыл бұрын

I suppose you are very young. I've heard it multiple times in the past :-)

@Rogerkonijntje

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tc4ify a64 launch then?

Gotta love when an embargo is lifted and you get 5+ notifications at once.

@imadecoy.

3 жыл бұрын

Who would you have notifications on for other than HUB? (I guess I have them on for Buildzoid, but he doesn't do reviews)

@therealist2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@imadecoy. Optimum Tech

@HaHa-qz1nx

3 жыл бұрын

@@imadecoy. GN

@c99kfm

3 жыл бұрын

@@imadecoy. Anthony@LTT did one, this time around, and since, well, he's Anthony...watch it?

@0Wayland

3 жыл бұрын

You only need HUB.

Glad you included the Ryzen 3700x in the benchmarks. Good to see where my CPU is at.

@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep

3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2700X so I had to kinda average out the 2600 and 3700X figures. Except for productivity benchmarks, God only knows where those would be on the chart

@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexv6324 think you may have replied to the wrong person

@alexv6324

3 жыл бұрын

@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep lol sorry about that.

@PookaBot

3 жыл бұрын

I'm curious to see if it pulls farther ahead of the 3600 in the next few years in some games.

@94gioval

3 жыл бұрын

*Cries in 1600*

this was much better idea to review this part first thanks so much steve !!!

@BonusCrook

3 жыл бұрын

Remember when ryzen 5 was a good deal?

The i5 10400f is eur 130 in Europe. That used to be Celeron 300mhz territory 20 years ago. We have come a long way!

@SGIMartin

3 жыл бұрын

well kinda makes up for the insane gpu prices! 10400f is a great deal!

@konstantinlozev2272

3 жыл бұрын

@@SGIMartin Patience, young Padawan, patience. Crypto crash come will ;)

@ivanj6540

3 жыл бұрын

@Jovica Jevtic 160€ in croatia

@konstantinlozev2272

3 жыл бұрын

@@bornagaintory Ahm... At the time those Celerons were the Bee's knees 😎😎😎 F*cking overclocking monsters! Half Life 1, Rainbow six, Age of Empires, Need for Speed 3, DivX videos @1024*768🤘🤘🤘

@Fin4L6are

3 жыл бұрын

this price was always i5 territory

FINALY, power consumption in gaming, good job guys.

@MegaChickenPunch

3 жыл бұрын

Made all 600W+ psus obsolete...

Excellent review, as always

If you're in the US and near a Microcenter, you can walk in and grab a 5600X at MSRP. You can even get $20 off if you bundle with a qualifying motherboard.

@maj429

3 жыл бұрын

Or you can drive to one and burn more in gas getting there and back than you save on components... Just complaining 😁

@just_matt3937

3 жыл бұрын

Or you can get a 10400F at Microcenter for $130 and then use the $20 off motherboard bundle lol

@jamess9623

3 жыл бұрын

@@maj429 Do you know how far you would have to drive to burn $20 in gas? If you're driving a Ford F150 in New York City, with Gas Prices at $2.44 per gallon you would have to drive about 164 Miles before you hit $20.

@maj429

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamess9623 yeah. Ford focus. 39mpg. Gas is $2.69 here. Trip is 153 miles, one way. 306 miles / 39mpg = ~7.85 gallons. * $2.69 = $21.11 in gas to get there and back.

@johnbuscher

3 жыл бұрын

@@maj429 But you'd at least get a 5600X at MSRP.

Just remember monitor steve, you will always be loved and remembered no matter what happens

I had not realized how dominant the 5600X was!

@Rokim1983

3 жыл бұрын

for little more money go get 10850k

@TheKazragore

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rokim1983 Yeah I was looking at the AU pricing and the 10850k is just $60 AUD more for an additional 4c/8t. And considering it's highly likely AM4 is EOL, there's no support longevity considerations to be made for either platform at this point.

@teemuvesala9575

3 жыл бұрын

@@fafski1199 yep intel 10th gen is just better choice all around for price to performance

@TheKazragore

3 жыл бұрын

@@oxfordsparky That also works :)

@fliegendeschuhe5614

3 жыл бұрын

@@teemuvesala9575 I like AMD more, but for gaming people should consider gen 10 intel. Gen 11 is a shitshow right now

Still the the most easily readable graphs, thank you guys. I wonder what difference would make the RX 6900 XT in these gaming tests.

@marcoguglielmi7573

3 жыл бұрын

I guess almost no difference. The results are CPU-bound for the most part, so I'd expect a difference only when pairing the CPUs with a significantly slower GPU, and the 6900XT is almost as fast as a 3090. But if you were talking about the driver overhead issue... well, that'd be interesting

@valentinvas6454

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcoguglielmi7573The 6900 XT can be waaay faster than the 3090 at 1080P. It is slower at 4K and 8k and only a tiny bit faster at 1440p but at 1080 and lower RDNA 2 is king.

@marcoguglielmi7573

3 жыл бұрын

@@valentinvas6454 I know of the difference at 1080p, but the margins between CPUs aren't going to change since the results are already CPU-bound. So the 3090 is as good as the 6900XT when it comes to benchmarking CPUs. I guess you could even have the same margins using a 3070 or 6800 when playing at a low resolution

@jasonhurdlow6607

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcoguglielmi7573 Except in DX12 titles that are CPU-bound, the lower driver overhead on Radeon could free up the CPU to attain even higher FPS. I doubt it would shift the comparative results, but the numbers would be higher. I'd like to see it done just out of curiosity.

@MakeSh00t

3 жыл бұрын

Difference i tested was 4x8gb dual rank cl 15 3800mhz with SAN on is a lot. like 40 fps in some games to.

Steve! You know how to do it! Great freakin work!!

Hey Steve, will you test 11400F? - it should be quite a budget king now with RAM OC on B560

Operating Temperature chart - 1 hour stress test in Shadow of the Tomb Raider + Blender: [HIGHER IS BETTER] lol

@crazeddutchman4957

3 жыл бұрын

everybody knows having a space heater is the superior heating solution

Fantastic in depth review mate. Helped a lot :)

Im so glad i got the 5600X few weeks ago and did not wait for 11th Intel gen.

@bharat7188

2 жыл бұрын

How is it performing after 5/6 months?

@kortezdelainca

2 жыл бұрын

@@bharat7188 perfect. i dont have anything to complain about. make sure you combine it with an AIO. i get 30 - 34 c at idle and 43- 50 c in games.

Rocket Lake: I present to you Ice Lake backport and "MSRP". PC Buyer: That's temping for 70 watts more.

@lukas081559

3 жыл бұрын

Its called Ice because thats how you have to cool it with. Edit: Otherwise it will blow up like a rocket

This chip is actually pretty interesting, was really ready to be disappointed

@frshunter

3 жыл бұрын

Not surprised at all. Why would they produce a chip that was the same or worse than their previous offering. The disappointment is because they should have had more after all this time. That being said competition (assuming we get back to a "normal' market) is always appreciated and we have it from AMD and Intel!

@f-22raptor25

3 жыл бұрын

It's literally sometimes worse than 10600k

@paulnolan4971

3 жыл бұрын

@@f-22raptor25 lol it's a disgrace

@paulnolan4971

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting that it's a rip lol

@tringuyen7519

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the 11600k is interesting. But Steve still recommends the 10600K or 5600X instead. 10600k is better short term value until Alder Lake. 5600X is the better long term value given the abundance of AM4 motherboards and the fact that Zen 3+ will also remain on AM4.

What's the resizable bar support like on this CPU? I wish there was a test with a Radeon GPU and SAM enabled.

Please tell me the FX dart board is gonna be in the background of the new set

In the US, 5600x & 5800x are plentiful. Multiple drops a week now for long periods of time at MSRP

@rdmz135

3 жыл бұрын

and due to the dropping USD we here in Australia can buy it for under MSRP from US retailers like Amazon and Newegg

@InvntdXNEWROMAN

3 жыл бұрын

Long periods of time in the US? Well, that definitely didn't include a month ago because I had been waiting for a 5800x for weeks checking every day. Microcenter ended up getting a stock of Intel cpus and I picked up a 10850k for $320 instead. Now here's hoping to a 3080 Ti release soon.

@FreeSpirit90

3 жыл бұрын

@@InvntdXNEWROMAN do you have a microcenter near you?

@jabrilwilliams1752

3 жыл бұрын

@@InvntdXNEWROMAN Microcenters have had hundreds of 5600x and 5800x for about 2 months now in stock constantly. 5900x and 5950x still have stock shortages though

@joer8854

3 жыл бұрын

@@InvntdXNEWROMAN best buy

still glad im buying a R9 5900x

@qNepo

3 жыл бұрын

Ooooor wait for ddr5?

@ImTheKebab

3 жыл бұрын

@@qNepo Nah, i need it for a 3080, dont want any cpu bottle necks

For the gaming benchmarks, were you running the RTX 3090 on PCIe 4.0 for the 11600k/Zen 3 systems? You've previously shown a couple percentage difference between 4.0x16 and 3.0x16

what about the lower-end models? I'm planning to bug the i5-11400 or the F model.

I'm glad you still include the ryzen 5 2600, looks like I may want to upgrade soon 🤔

@ETophales

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on your GPU. It's worth remembering that with an AMD GPU the 2600 can perform significantly better.

@LaskaiTamas23

3 жыл бұрын

@@ETophalesYou are wrong. 2600 performs the same way with Radeon and Geforce. Where did u get that from?

@Crustee0

3 жыл бұрын

@@LaskaiTamas23 from this very channel? Theres a weird issue where if the game u play on is cpu bottlenecked (e.g. utilization 100%) amd gpu can give higher fps even if in benchmark like HUB gpu test its supposedly performing the same.

@ETophales

3 жыл бұрын

@@LaskaiTamas23 Seems like you haven't been watching HUB content lately, where, for example, a 2600X got higher frame rates with an RX 5600 XT than with a 3090 on Watch Dogs: Legion.

@kartikbhendekar5895

3 жыл бұрын

@@ETophales it's called bottleneck

5600X is going for 299.99 on micro center also in stock

@MakeSh00t

3 жыл бұрын

@@fafski1199 10900k is slower vs ryzen 5600x Linus tech shows how slow it is 11600k even wors.... MB u need for 10900kf like 500 bux to reach overclock potentional cooler 120 bux. Ryzen everything stock only 3600mhz cl14 kit MB for 110 bux b550. and it wins.. How i know that ? Because i had intel 10900k it is slow cpu.. when u game 5 hours to 8 hours per day with using computer 12 hours per day max.

@MegaChickenPunch

3 жыл бұрын

@@fafski1199 yeah and now go check out intel mobo prices, smartass...

Do you plan to do a z590 board roundup? Or give a list of which boards to avoid?

(Sort of) OT question: When you have multiple competing models, even multiple of both brands, giving the exact same test result; how do you decide their listed sequence on charts?

At 15 minutes and 52 second I loved seeing the spatulas in the background of the B roll of the RTX3090

But for those of us still on X470, 5600x is $300-350 vs $500 for completely changing platforms.

@XiaOmegaX

3 жыл бұрын

$370 out the door for a 11600K and B560 combo vs 300-350 for a 5600X alone. If AMD can fix the USB dropout issues I'd recommend that for in-socket upgrades, otherwise it's a draw towards intel even at a slight premium.

@MakeSh00t

3 жыл бұрын

@@XiaOmegaX Why u lie ? 11600 k needs good cooler for 120 bux good motherboard to reach full speed. MB cost i checked 300 bux to reach those kind of speed with mb from 150 bux 40 percent decrease of speed. Where do u live in space? Why u lie ? I am computer expert.. and i can tell you Ryzen 5600x with mobo 100 bux stock coooler, beats 10900k with cheap mobo and cheap cooler. Do no t talk nonsense.. to people when u do not have intel and ryzen.

@MakeSh00t

3 жыл бұрын

@@fafski1199 Why u lie ?... I have intel 10900k with cheap mobo and cheap cooler 60 bux. Ryzen 5600x with cheap mobo stock cooler beats 10900k... in all games.. CS GO for 200 fps.. stop spreading lies.

What about some higher end stuff rysen 9 series maybe? Does intel have a comparison to that ?

Nice review as always!

It would be nice to see a quick test using an amd gpu to measure how much driver overhead makes a difference :)

Will you check the UHD Graphics 750 ?

@bobalazsgaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@chadbrick67 to uhd 630? By what percent?

You will be always Harbour Unboxed for me :) great videos, hopefully you get the 1M mark soon!

@sharki9876

3 жыл бұрын

How do you manage to get a whole harbour in a box?

The most practical review I have seen this year.

Just bought a 5600x based on this review , thanks :D

@starrims

3 жыл бұрын

It’s unbeatable 6 cores CPU! If price was $50 less it would dominate the world

@turtleboi9385

3 жыл бұрын

i would go 11400f or 3600 cuz its cheaper and still 6 cores

Ladies and gentleman, unbelievable. Intel is now the budget option (with CPUs like 11400f/11700f, or just 10600kf).

@RMAouad

3 жыл бұрын

The CPU can be cheaper, but buying a MOBO to take advantage of the K/KF OC will be the same as buy a 5600x + cheap mobo

@canaconn2388

3 жыл бұрын

It may be cheaper upfront, but the power usage is going to bite you in the butt later on

@RMAouad

3 жыл бұрын

@@canaconn2388 I had an asrock b450m pro 4 with a 5600x OCed to 4.6 without any stability issues. But check on the prices for any "cheap" MOBO for OC the 11600k. They're a lot more expensive and won't let you upgrade to an i7/9 in the future.

Couldnt be happier with my 10700k / RTX 2070 Super gaming PC. Thanks for all the years of good info. I just watched a old video about the intel i7-5820k 6c/12t processor from 2014. Good times.

I’d like to applaud that shot where the cpu/cpus are floating with the box/boxes just behind them. That’s really cool!

Kinda glad i got my 5600x from PCCG for 440 1 week after its release with wraith cooler (sitting here as a ornament) those price hikes..

I really wanna see a 11400f Review is it out yet?

@the_unded6173

3 жыл бұрын

The 11400F atleast according to the price could be a new Price/performance king cpu in my opinion and that makes me wonder why AMD never or at least not yet Released a 5600 non X version

@mirceastan4618

3 жыл бұрын

@@the_unded6173 Because they waited for 11400F to come out first.

@andersjjensen

3 жыл бұрын

@@the_unded6173 Their yields are too good. TSMC 7nm is ungodly good and mature at this point. The 6800XT is nowhere to be seen because nearly all the dies go into 6900XTs. That's a 540mm2 die and nearly all of them are perfect. A full Zen 3 chiplet is 80mm2 by comparison. There are simply not very many dies that both have defect cores AND can't hit 5600X speeds. It will probably come at some point, but it will likely be as much unobtainium as the 3300X

@bsh7390

3 жыл бұрын

@@the_unded6173 why release? tell me why do you want AMD to release something unprofitable? when 5600x squeeze every money out of consumer easily?

@the_unded6173

3 жыл бұрын

@@bsh7390 Because the 3600 was one of AMD most profitable and Succesfull Cpu's so It just makes sense to release a true successor in the form of the 5600 for cheaper but I Agree with @Mircea Stan I wont be surprized if the 5600 releases to combat the 11400F

Which motherboard was used for the AMD CPU's on the benchmarks?

Seems like a solid option if you're actually able to find it near MSRP. The KF model would be an even better value if you somehow manage to find a dedicated GPU so the iGPU isn't needed (although Quicksync could be useful if you want to get into video editing, but I doubt you'd get an i5 for that anyway).

I guess it seems fine. I feel like AMD has MSRP 5600x's on their website frequently enough and available for long enough that its not a complete phantom MSRP. In the US at least that is.

@PabzRoz

3 жыл бұрын

5600x has been consistently in stock in microcenters at it's msrp as well.

@iexoticdemon2079

3 жыл бұрын

I like 11600k since its cheaper and more competitive

@VelcroSnake93

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, pretty easily got a 5600X at MSRP a month ago ($300) from Newegg. It seemed to have stayed in stock for a while after I made my purchase too. (US)

@PabzRoz

3 жыл бұрын

@@iexoticdemon2079 That's reasonable if you care about 30 bucks. 11600k really isn't that much slower at all performance wise. I just prefer the much better efficiency you get with Ryzen which is well worth the extra 30 bucks to me. Although the 10600k is by FAR the best value 6 core gaming chip right now. It's only $190 at newegg and you get $20 off pairing it with a motherboard.

@muchostacos67

3 жыл бұрын

@@VelcroSnake93 same, but on amazon.

If this cpu manages to stay around $250 it's going to be a best buy

@grandthor1413

3 жыл бұрын

I think same but I'll need a big aircooler actually if I can find a 5600x Im gonna buy it anyway

@wile123456

3 жыл бұрын

It just sucks that they don't include a good cooler and Intel motherboards are shit with limiting memory and not allowing future upgrades. They should learn from 1st Gen Ryzen when AMD was the underdog and gives more features and bonuses to compete

@greenfolk9266

3 жыл бұрын

@@wile123456 Not any more excluding H510 all intel 500 series chipsets support memory OC. Besides future upgrades is irrelvant here because AM4 and LGA 1200 are both dead end now. Besides AMD stock cooler isn't even that good

@dagnisnierlins188

3 жыл бұрын

@@greenfolk9266 dead end for someone who has the bleeding edge parts already, I'm on b450 board with ryzen 5 1600af, I can upgrade all the way up to 5950x.

@Random.Contents.

3 жыл бұрын

@@User-l3u6m Wrong, AMD's Wraith Stealth is complete trash, it barely cools down my 4.4 GHz Ryzen 3100 so i bought ID-Cooling SE 224XT which is way better

Whats with the artifacts while showing the corsair case, or is it my phone?

Great work! Great person! Keep the videos coming!

I was excited for this review but I’m still getting a Ryzen five

@NearlySatient

3 жыл бұрын

where? :p

@Just1kOoL

3 жыл бұрын

Same here lol. But I'm gonna wait for the new Intel release so the prices go dooown.

@pritambiswas5255

2 жыл бұрын

Gordon ramsey😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

Can you test more Cpu intensive tiles like Valorant, CS go . Atleast in processors benchmarks

@ashwinramesh1356

3 жыл бұрын

They did R6 siege... We gotta guess what the difference will be in cs and valorant lol

@Hardwareunboxed

3 жыл бұрын

Those aren't CPU intensive titles though. Unless you mean CPU limited titles that use very little of modern CPUs.

@rdmz135

3 жыл бұрын

CSGO and Valorant scale extremely similarly. Just subtract ~30% FPS for the Valorant result. You can watch Linus' review to see Intel get slaughtered in CSGO.

I have my 10th gen board of MSI z490 gaming plus . Will it support PCIE 4.0 on 11600k?

@Rokim1983

3 жыл бұрын

I take a look,non of msi z490 boards support pcie4.0,but there is not really real time difference between 3.0 and 4.0,ultra super fast m2 ssd works even faster in theory,gpus dont care,like whatewer

G'day Steve & Teddy Jr., The early i7 reviews didn't show much of an increase from 10th to 11th Gen but it seems the new Architecture has provided more of a boost for the lower core count i5 in some tasks, It will be good to see how the i7 performs using your testing procedures, or maybe it is just something to do with us being upside down or Australia so far ahead of most of the World increasing performance, I know there are people that complain 'But You Didn't test using... (insert what ever Benchmark style)', but I would like to say I'm a fan of Yours & G/N Steve's Benchmark videos & understand there will be some differences, I am happy that you do 'Motherboard Out of the Box' Testing & G/N do their testing using Intel's 'Performance Guidance' setting as we get to see the differences that this can make, especially to Power Consumption, you give us a heads up explaining the settings you use & explain why so we understand the differences & then mention to watch some other benchmarks too so we get the full picture as benchmarking styles can get varied results for different workloads, it really show your honesty & commitment to us.

Love my 5600x. Paired with my 6800 I finally can max out my 1440p 144hz monitor. AMD is making huge leaps in performance.

@freedomusa4931

3 жыл бұрын

I just put a build together with the 5600x n 3070 but wanted the 6800 or xt. How is the card holding up for you?

@Orcawhale1

3 жыл бұрын

If you watched the video, you'd quickly realize this is NOT the case. The 11600k is 24% cheaper than the 5600X and matches it in gaming performance. Then if you add in the 10600k, and 10600KF you might even save up to 40%...

@Bellissima2k

3 жыл бұрын

@@Orcawhale1 5600X can be put in any cheap mobo as it's more power efficient and doesn't require very good VRM so the price is a wash.

@patrickleeastarjohnson2918

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bellissima2k or get a good z490 mobo that's good and cheap

@KingOfForest22

3 жыл бұрын

Even at MSRP, $300 for a 6-core chip in 2021 is laughably overpriced. Spend $50 more and get a heavily discounted 10-core i9 10850k. Will last a lot further into the future with the extra cores

LOL, I'm happy I didn't wait for 11th gen and got my 10850k last week, when it was on sale for 310€ (incl. VAT). Disappointing results.

@lowzyyy

3 жыл бұрын

Wtf dude that is cheap as f!!! Gratz

@bartekowca666

3 жыл бұрын

super good price, gratz

@Amusia727

3 жыл бұрын

Same, except I paid £250 for a new 10700K

Got my 5600x just after Christmas for £300 [ I pre ordered on Ebuyer a few weeks before]. It's a nice improvement over the 7700k I did have. For anyone with a 5600x I would recommend getting the latest bios and using the precision boost overdrive set to 200. Mine boosts up to 4.8 and close to 4.9 on the best cores now.

It would be nice if you included the rog strix z590-a gaming in the Vrm thermal testing.

Harvard Unboxed

Looks interesting, but I still bought 5600X since I'm planning on keep using AMD CPUs in the future (so there will be no need to swap the motherboard)

Intel pricing (some of) their 11th gen CPUs - errm, 'competitively' now it seems. Thanks for this review and comparisons - as per usual your analysis is thorough. :)

I hope you can test the 11400, as it can be a nice middle upgrade from my i7-6700 while waiting for 5th gen Ryzen

The fact that you can put zen cpu on the cheaper chipset motherboard is one of the advantage of am4 platform. So yeah, overall I think amd is still a better buy than intel right now (at msrp), but it’s gonna be more interesting when intel launch its 10nm cpu (or amd with 5nm cpu?). The cpu battle has never been this exciting imo. Anyway, I always loved seeing your video! Keep up the good work lads!

Would love to see the lower end stuff.

@fliegendeschuhe5614

3 жыл бұрын

This is quite low end, what do you mean?

@elirantuil5003

3 жыл бұрын

@@fliegendeschuhe5614 11400f and 11500 mostly

Wonder which of the 2 will be the better choice for Flight Simulator XPlane or MS2020 ??

Thank you for the great suggestions, they all seem rock solid now let’s all ask the GPU gods for some pretty little pixels.

Meanwhile the 5600X in the US can be found at local shops such as Microcenter for $300 (and I managed to get it for $280 as they had it on sale plus another $20 off for a motherboard bundle).

@nyphon

3 жыл бұрын

Seemingly the only local shop that has them is Microcenter, which there are like 20 throughout USA. So yea, lets not try to spin it like these are easy to get.

@RichWhiteUM

3 жыл бұрын

@@nyphon Best Buy seems to have them at a regular pace and at about MSRP, too.

@nyphon

3 жыл бұрын

@@RichWhiteUM A regular pace and about MSRP are not what the dude suggested though. I've been following this close for a few friends with a handful of us making purchases when possible. We sadly don't have a microcenter so yea.

@ruialex314

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I got that sale too

@RichWhiteUM

3 жыл бұрын

@@nyphon All I was doing was giving you another source to check. It's your call on what you do with it.

I care about efficiency, because it means how much heat I will be kicking out into my room in the summer

@fvbbe9635

3 жыл бұрын

only depends on the cooler

@Zenheizer

3 жыл бұрын

@@fvbbe9635 nah, heat output stays the same, as long as your CPU is not running and throttling, there is no influence (at least that I know of) that would influence power draw

Great video. Not sure if you are aware, but KZread is dropping ads into your video about every 5 min mark.

Does i5 10600k 10 gen needs liquid cooler for cooling if yes then suggest me some best one . Or should I go for Ryzen 5 5600x .

Thanks to microcenter, I got a 5600x at msrp.

@sammiller6631

3 жыл бұрын

You are lucky to live near a Micro Center.

@raawesome3851

3 жыл бұрын

@@sammiller6631 yes, and I'm very fortunate that it's only a 20-30 minute drive.

The 5600X has been available at MSRP at Microcenter for like the past month. Not sure why the price hike at Newegg and Microcenter.

@GradualReportSerbia

3 жыл бұрын

Amazon

@rdmz135

3 жыл бұрын

i bought mine for under MSRP at Newegg

@Grug

3 жыл бұрын

Microcenter is also selling the i9 10850k for just $20 more.

@Nemofishman

3 жыл бұрын

@@Grug Which is the CPU I would still recommend until 12th gen, EVEN if they do a 11850K!

@sammiller6631

3 жыл бұрын

Haven't seen it go past MSRP at Micro Center.

im looking to buy a z590 to pair with 11600k. which board do you recommend? (the one that makes the most sense to pair with 11600k)

@josevancs

3 жыл бұрын

@Mr Anderson like what for example? I'm aiming for z590 pro wifi

@josevancs

3 жыл бұрын

@Mr Anderson ok thanks bro👍

My 5600X hits 80C with a noctua NH-D15, is that expected air vs water or do you think I did a poor mount?

@f-22raptor25

3 жыл бұрын

What's does it clocks up to, and what's the ambient temp

Would love to see how core i3s perform these days

@Supcharged

3 жыл бұрын

core i3 is comet lake refresh with 100mhz boost.

@MrReddragongamingHD

3 жыл бұрын

The 10th gen i3 10100 actually holds up really well now its a quad-core with hyperthreading. Its basically a locked 7700K with improved IPC. This may (and probably will) changed in 2-3 years when games start demanding more cores, and even quad cores with hyperthreading will end up being relegated to the same fate as the quad core chips of the past.

@shanez1215

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrReddragongamingHD This depends on total CPU performance, being stuck on 14nm limits what Intel can do so their quad cores began to drown. A hypothetical quad core Zen 3 chip could do just fine. I sprang for the 10400 for a build I just finished since I didn't know when we could get a GPU and the extra 2 cores will be helpful since we're most likely not upgrading CPU. But the iGPU was bad enough we needed to find a 750 TI and paid 120

@iceyberq

3 жыл бұрын

@@shanez1215 dang the prices are that bad a 750 goes for 120 now danggg

@Naffacakes98

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrReddragongamingHD you have it wrong, i3 is exactly the same as the i7, no IPC change

Please review the i5 11400/f and i7 10700/f I find these to be far more interesting

@dakrawnik4208

2 жыл бұрын

no point. they have the same performance minus the iGPU.

I'm a bit puzzled with your recommendation of 10th gen Intel and Z490 motherboard. For a new upper-mid tier system PCI-Express 4.0 should be the way to go.

I always seem to get lost in your reviews when there is no bang for buck chart even tho it sometimes is a main area that covered by voice. Excellent videos.

5800X and 5600X available every day at Microcenter in the US at MSRP.

@ManyFARTS

3 жыл бұрын

The 5800X is actually below MSRP (at least at my location). Still at 25+ in stock at $429.

@sammiller6631

3 жыл бұрын

@@ManyFARTS Then you got an extra sweet deal at your local Micro Center.

Imagine how good this chip would be on TSMC 7nm.

@Orcawhale1

3 жыл бұрын

Intel's 14nm is equal if not slightly better than TSMC's 7nm.

@darshan5726

3 жыл бұрын

@@Orcawhale1 not in terms of efficiency

@makisekurisu4674

3 жыл бұрын

@@Orcawhale1 No its not! Its not even close.

@marcos14223

3 жыл бұрын

@@Orcawhale1 lol 10nm are "same" as 7nm tsm not 14. wtf

@eth_saver

3 жыл бұрын

@@Orcawhale1 heh :D not really, even Intel kind of admited that 14nm+++ is not good anymore, because few days ago they said they will use other fabs like TSMC to deliver competive products

Hey Steve, my 5600X scores 3880pts on Cinebench R20 as many people do from the recent discounted price of the 5600X. Could you review a retail product to see if it matches the one used in the review? The only way I can reach similar performance is by using PBO going over the 65TDP base limit.

Yeah I'd love to hear what the deal is with high teperatures on the 5800x. I have a NH-D15 which is a beast of a cooler and it gets up to 81c when stress testing. While gaming I'm sitting around 60c

So bored about Rocket Lake, but believe me or not, I'm really excited for 12th gen Cocaine Lake and its big.little core architecture

@FinneousPJ1

3 жыл бұрын

Cocaine lake sounds like a mad weekend

After seeing this i can't wait to see how the 11400/f performs.

@ivoivanov7407

3 жыл бұрын

Idk, depending on price, it may be a good deal for a budget build.

@OneDollaBill

3 жыл бұрын

@@ivoivanov7407 the 11400f costs less than 180€/$.

Thank you, but where is the test of the integrated chip UHD 750?

12:44 so operating temperature is better higher?

I just got the last 5600x from best buy for 299 USD. I'll gladly pay the extra 20 bucks. 5600x will be good for 5 years or so and I'll update by 6000 series anyways.

@DifinityRelin

3 жыл бұрын

Same here.

@kentcurrie7326

3 жыл бұрын

I bought the 5600x several weeks ago at MicroCenter for 299 USD. MicroCenter has had this in stock for nearly 2 months at this price. The only catch has been that you must go into a store to buy it.

@vasilije94

3 жыл бұрын

Finding 5600x for that price is basically impossible. Your comment doesnt make any sense. If you are upgrading to next gen then why do you even care for longevity? It doesnt make sense. Btw, all those processors 10600k, 11600k and 5600x will easily last 5 years. Not just 5600x.

@tringuyen7519

3 жыл бұрын

From the long view, the 5600x is not bad value. AMD is releasing Zen 3+ this autumn and still in the AM4 footprint. So technically, you will be able to upgrade to a 6600x without changing motherboard. AMD will be switching to zen 4 and the AM5 footprint in 2022.

@vasilije94

3 жыл бұрын

@@tringuyen7519 Who the fuck upgrades 5600x to 6600x and why? Waste of money and no one in their right mind will upgrade every gen.

The i5 11400F seems like a fantastic value (if you can actually find it). Only has a 65W TDP unlike the 125W TDP of the K/KF variants, comes with an included cooler (not greaat but should suffice) and since its a locked component, you can just pair it with a cheapo motherboard. Again, all of this is assuming you can find it and at MSRP.

Great video thanks. I'm in the market for a new CPU and was tossing up between the 10600 and 11600. I'll go the 10600KF due to the great price here in Australia 👍

@lonniebeal6032

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, getting my 5900X for $483 from newegg's black friday sale. And yes, that 48.66 is on a 2700x.

thank you for providing the power consumption data- almost no one does that and those that do don't lay it out as well as you

Hardware unbiased, sarcasm unleashed.

@bp56789

3 жыл бұрын

Unbiased? It is very clear from their community commentary that they do not see things the same way that we, gamers, and the rest of the industry do.

@sammiller6631

3 жыл бұрын

@@bp56789 Yes unbiased.

@bp56789

3 жыл бұрын

@@sammiller6631 Got 'em

Excellent review. Just goes to show the engineering excellence in the Zen architecture.

@heickelrrx

3 жыл бұрын

enginnering excellece, ofc ruined by poor supply planning

@andersjjensen

3 жыл бұрын

@@heickelrrx When you work with a foundry it works like this: You allocate ahead of time (1-2 years in advance minimum). If it's a flop you can't back out. You have to take the amount of wafers you sign up for if the foundry can't (or wont) resell your capacity. Now a couple of utterly strange things happened: 1) Intel kept eating their crayons and sniffing their glue rather than make something neat with it for the first time in their history. 2) Samsung dropped the ball on their 7nm so TSMC became the hottest chick in town over night. 3) Pandemic hit. 4) Console launch during a pandemic. 5) Crypto boom again. You can't call that poor planning. It's unfortunate, yes. It sucks every kind of dogs balls, yes. But if AMD had allocated the 100x supply they need right now, and just ONE of the above had not happened... they'd have been bankrupt.

@heickelrrx

3 жыл бұрын

@@andersjjensen regardless the reason, the fact that the material planning fail, impacting whole stock, There is a reason why intel do not dare using 10nm on their desktop, the yeild is there, they already launching icelake sp for server platform on 10nm Why simple, because they still ramping out their 10nm nodes, they deciced to split to older node, despite it will cost more die space per wafer, because they are not confident to be able to push enough stock to the market with 10nm yet AMD on the other hand decided to use the same node on whole stacks, not only cpu, but gpu, and console SoC on TSCM N7 Not really great material planning, if for some reason taiwan got nuked or crippled, did AMD suddenly stop selling stuff?

@andersjjensen

3 жыл бұрын

@@heickelrrx Ok. I can tell that you insist on seeing things your way. Fair enough. And yes, every single fables chip designer would be fucked if their foundry got nuked. Nvidia is one of the few who works with two premiere foundries at the same time, because it is horribly expensive to do so. They need to have two completely separate teams to do that because the NDA is 18 months for both Samsung and TSMC. So yes.. if Korea (Samsung) got nuked there would be no GeForce cards, and if Taiwan got nuked all their data center accelerators and professional cards would be gone. Let me list you some of the companies who only work with one foundry at the time: Apple, Qualcom (makes ARM chips for everyone but Apple and Samsung), Sisco (Worlds largest networking company), Sony, Huawei, Samsung (obviously), Xilinx (Worlds largest FPGA producer. Every highly robotic factory uses Xilinx), and those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head.... AMD is not on the list because they use Global Foundries for their I/O dies and TSMC for their high performance stuff. But obviously if one goes they can't do shit, as their final packaged product contains chips from both. But Global Foundries is not a premier foundry. They have "yester years" technology, but are cheap, and have no NDA to speak of.

All of the youtubers reviewers didnt talk about the new igpu. Why ?

@ultraenergy313

3 жыл бұрын

my thought exactly

Steve great video!

Was hoping to see iGPU performance. I can see a lot of people picking up the 11500 or 11600k and gaming on that through the shortage. Edit: The 11400 doesn't have the new Xe architecture

@iantips9358

3 жыл бұрын

U mean the 11400f

@rdmz135

3 жыл бұрын

the new Intel iGPU is great but its nowhere near good enough to play modern titles at a decent resolution... even temporarily.

@MrReddragongamingHD

3 жыл бұрын

That actually makes a fair bit of sense. Obviously the iGPU won't be nearly powerful enough to come near a modern dedicated GPU, but if it can play some of the most popular games with decent frame-rates it could definitely provide a temporary stop-gap solution. Would be great to see a video on this.

@AyanKhan-ny7dh

3 жыл бұрын

BE CAREFUL. i5 11400 does not have the new Xe IGPU. If u want the better IGPU go for i5 11500!

@shanez1215

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrReddragongamingHD Yeah that's what I'm hoping for. Just finished a 10400 build last month and the igpu was bad enough that we had to buy a 750 TI for $120. If it could match a 3200g in GPU that'd be fine enough for us.

Personally I would recommend the 10700kf 8 cores,16 threads over both for the same price and sometimes cheaper.

@Ren_1106

3 жыл бұрын

I was actually looking for I7 10700k. Pretty same thing I guess. 🤔

@imo098765

3 жыл бұрын

The 10850K has been close to $300 as well. Just that it and be done with upgrades for a while

@MrAckers75

3 жыл бұрын

Just get the 10700f that pretty much equals the performance of the k chip and you don't need a z series board

@iantips9358

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrAckers75 and it's cheaper

@broshbrolin2395

3 жыл бұрын

yes its cheaper then both i got it for 221$, idk whats going on in here intel is dropping the 10th like crazy i was planning to build with 10400 back in december but dam the 10700kf now cost the 10400 in december, dont plan to overclock it, pair them with b560 so that i can use faster ram coming this friday

could you test the igpu? from both vendors of course🙂

Thanks for the video

I got the 10600kf 1 month ago. Best buy for buck easy.

It is strange to test these kind of CPUs with the nVidia driver overhead in mind with the 3090 GPU. It would be more suitable IMO to do it with 6900xt regarding the issue. If they were 8 all 8 cores it would be fine with any nVidia GPU. But knowing the driver issue, the CPUs will show their max potential better, for the games. Nice review as always :)

@Hardwareunboxed

3 жыл бұрын

If anything you'd want to test with the most amount of load possible. Also wouldn't you rather a recommendation with a little headroom to spare? Finally the fact remains that most gamers still run a GeForce graphics card.

@ShomyMK

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hardwareunboxed Headroom is fine, and it is a test it should left nothing as a surprise, IMO. Who cares if Radeon cards are not used enough in quantity if they are hiding even a 2% of performance. Just raw performance and full power test for the 6 core CPUs. It would be my setup anyways to test these CPUs...

@ecvent0r

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hardwareunboxed He's not entirely wrong in stating that the driver overhead recently brought to light should make you reconsider using GeForce. For instace it might actually show a larger discrepancy between 6 core and 8 core CPUs than it would otherwise with Radeon prompting an unnecessary upsell to an unsuspecting Radeon customer. Another situation is where GeForce could be revealing performance difference due to it creating a CPU bottleneck instead of say engine or RAM bottleneck that would equalize both processors that could also trigger an unnecessary upsell for a lower end GPU buyer, be it nvidia or amd. I'm not saying that this testing setup is invalid or that you should change your testing ASAP. But maybe there is a place and time to make the switch. The combo that becomes especially questionable is high end GeForce for testing low-mid range CPUs, that could create some wtf scenarios.

I know your review didn't show a huge difference in system level power consumption between the 11600K and 5600x, but I wonder how that adds up over the life of the system. It would be interesting to see total cost of ownership estimate comparison between the two processors in a gaming system over the "typical" system life with "typical" system utilization when factoring in the cost of electricity. Also I wonder how the price of the 11th gen series will change over the next month or so. Will they end up drifting further above MSRP?

What is the total power consumption when idling ?