Almost done moving! Latest moving vlog: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eI2irNRqhrjfZKQ.html Grab a GN Modmat here: store.gamersnexus.net/ David's website: www.realworldtech.com/

@mattsmechanicalssi5833

6 жыл бұрын

Funny how the Intel video shows the Space Shuttle, when it's computers (All 6 of them) use AMD embedded 32bit processors. And still to this day, are the most efficient (Power wise) processors. I mean come on, it's not easy to get power in space, despite the cold temperatures! LOL!

@MrZombie999

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe im misunderstanding but is size not a fixed thing I mean 3ft is 3ft and 100km is 100km so why is 10nm not 10nm everywhere why is there not a fixed universal standard lol

@InconsistentManner

6 жыл бұрын

Please get a windscreen for that headphone mic if you ever do this again. it cost $1 on amazon. every time you talked steve it was painful. Also a simple hint is to put the mic below your chin and turn up its volume.

@LordBattleSmurf

6 жыл бұрын

Steve do you think first gen 10nm desktop cpus Holiday 2019 will even have as good pure singlethreaded OC performance as the 9900k 14nm+++? I'm trying to decide if its even worth waiting for 10nm instead of buying 9900k this year (currently using i7 2600k and needing the best singlethread performance for gaming)

@Zarcondeegrissom

6 жыл бұрын

LordBattleSmurf 6700k, 7700k, and the 8700k, all have the same exact single thread performance at the same OC clock. so unless the 9900k can OC to a 'significantly' higher clock, I doubt it will be that much better than the former three gens. And if you look at the cost per 100MHz each offers, I'm not really sure that extra 2 or so more FPS is really worth it. I think most 7700k will do about 5GHz, and most 8700k will do 5.2GHz unless you got a better than average lottery CPU. And again, for games, that are GPU bound, that's only around single digits more FPS for the cost.

Intel should ask GN for advice on putting more and more in a small space. Considering Steve ran a media company from a broom cupboard for 9 years.

@GamersNexus

6 жыл бұрын

We might not be able to help with processor design, but we can definitely cram more stuff into rooms than just about anyone else.

@c.m.7692

6 жыл бұрын

dis

@Xenogear50

6 жыл бұрын

All those years of tetris came in handy LOL

@HypnoticSuggestion

6 жыл бұрын

I'm sure his tetris skillz are next level

@xartonz

5 жыл бұрын

best comment ever!!!

wow david can stay really still :o

@bugsyplays3560

6 жыл бұрын

He'd make a fantastic ventriloquist!

@MarkRose1337

6 жыл бұрын

The man doesn't even blink!

@cristiant6566

6 жыл бұрын

hes like drax, moves so slow the eye cant see it

@billytaj7708

6 жыл бұрын

Cristian T drax them sklounst?

@Scootermagoo

6 жыл бұрын

he has 5 zombies around him and he was being still to keep them from attacking.

thank you David for taking the time to chat with us

@GtsAntoni1

5 жыл бұрын

*Make us feel stupid.

it's nice to take the time to make a 30 minutes video, when you just moved out your office!! Thank you for all the information you give and all content you create

@GamersNexus

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Almost done moving.

@lplegros

6 жыл бұрын

Nice, can't wait to see the new setup for your video! :D

This is the interview I've always wanted to listen to. An actual discussion with a subject matter expert in the field.

@clansome

6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Hill Someone who actually *knows* what he's talking about. One wonders what the comments might be if the nodes were reversed and Intel was having problems with 7 but AMD"s 10 was almost ready.

@SeanfromSydney

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed! This video is better than a thousand rumours and comment section arguments. Love it

@freshstyIe

6 жыл бұрын

Nothing you couldnt find on wikipedia.

@clansome

6 жыл бұрын

freshstyle Agreed but that's quite the point. Besides Wiki isn't *that* reliable.

@funbucket09

6 жыл бұрын

namcost can I get some chips too? I think I will go for some pringles. Salt and vinegar flavour please. Cheers Mate! 👍👍👌

I thought this video was released 1 day ago. But 1 year, hmm.

@kaptenhiu5623

3 жыл бұрын

still relevant tho... let's see what Intel can release next year

Every time he says, "you know," take a shot.

@Num43

6 жыл бұрын

GarethPW I died. Thanks a lot.

@Basard100

6 жыл бұрын

I'm takin swigs, I've only got beer... :(

@morganwhaley9119

6 жыл бұрын

I didn't even notice until you pointed it out.

@sufyaanshaikh8652

6 жыл бұрын

I don't know the number to poison control.

@ErgonomicChair

6 жыл бұрын

R.I.P

Suprised intel dosent release 13.9 nm

@GlassFoxGear

6 жыл бұрын

This comment won't get enough credit for being hilarious

@funbucket09

6 жыл бұрын

LOL. Pretty sure that’s not how node sizes work..... 😂😂

@railshot888

6 жыл бұрын

They will just release a 14nm+++

@CaveyMoth

6 жыл бұрын

14nm 2 announced

@Phambleton

6 жыл бұрын

Aron Lee They actually will do. 6700K = 14nm 7700K = 14nm+ 8700K = 14nm++ 9900K = 14nm+++

crazy how he smiled like that for 30 minutes even while talking

This was an awesome piece of technical content. I hope you get the time and place for more interviews of this caliber in the new office, Steve! Thanks for the really in-depth insight, David!

Thank you for these call with Mr. Kanter. They are highly educational. Keep up the good work!

its nice to see some real competition :)

@MiriadCalibrumAstar

6 жыл бұрын

its sad how intel sleeped all this time with no real steps on newer cpus

@JABelms

6 жыл бұрын

TSMC is a bigger company than intel in the FAB space since forever, no competition there

Does David ever blink ?

@Moonzy

6 жыл бұрын

2ndLastJedi he blinks when you do

@ArsenicAlchemist

5 жыл бұрын

@@Moonzy this comment was more spooky than most of the scary stories on KZread.

@Rob165x

5 жыл бұрын

He's ventriloquist god.

Great guest, and conversation. Thank you!

Very good, real conversation based, honest show. Very refreshing to see in this current world of clickbaity, eye catching titles with no information online news. That we all have become way too accustomed to seeing. Thanks guys.

I thought Krzanich had to resign for the 10 inch problem, not the 10 nm! #KRZANICHINSIDE

@skywalker1991

6 жыл бұрын

Matt Christie , lol, he spent too much time on the 10inch than the 10nm process. He he he he

@bradmonk69

6 жыл бұрын

Haaaa!

@theexmann

5 жыл бұрын

He wished he had a 10in problem. LOL!

@mattsmechanicalssi5833

5 жыл бұрын

Rule # 1 : Don't dip your pen in the company ink!

Thanks David. Great info as usual.

Superb interview, thank you both!

Very nice discussion. Thank you for bringing on guests like this.

In 2024, Intel 14nm++++++++++++++++++++ i13 12,34Ghz using only 5kW with 5kW cooling

@Beos_Valrah

6 жыл бұрын

xD

@MrTomas7777

6 жыл бұрын

Intel Delaylake 14nm++++++++++++++++++++

@totel9193

6 жыл бұрын

Dino Sabanovic maybe they'll just call it 14nm#

@n8likesmath

5 жыл бұрын

I'm so happy I understood every part of that joke

Just wanted to say this video was great and would love to see more, unlike all the speculation I'm used to whether it be a tired gtx 1180 story or anything like that, this was very informative and I feel like I have a much better idea of what the competition between AMD and Intel is as well as to why the 14+++++++ process meme exists, great stuff

YAY I was waiting for this! Thanks GN and David!

Would David Kanter know much about the specter vols? i was reading about the next gen ARM chips. they mention specter and how its a flaw in how the CPU architecture works and is to be patch in software now I cant find that link. rip. wondering if he'd know any details about this. #ASKGN

@mduckernz

6 жыл бұрын

BIGGS Yes, it's a speculative execution bug. It's hard to _properly_ fix (all current variants, and the capability for future variants as they're discovered) without modification to the microarchitecture and probably OS as well, without causing severe performance loss. Maybe new instructions that inform the CPU which segments of instructions are allowed to be executed speculatively? For which you would need OS support so it could emit those instructions in line with the security flags of each process and such. This would also make fixes a software thing and not hardware in the future. I'd take a look at Project Zero at Google, they were the original discoverers of Spectre.

It is time for AMD "Ryzen" again

@Malus1531

6 жыл бұрын

...

@funbucket09

6 жыл бұрын

My penis is a ‘ryzen’ 😉

@ItsNotAProblem

5 жыл бұрын

funbucket09 When you bite it, it explodes

@adityadhimas5484

4 жыл бұрын

LOL

I would expect AMD selling their products close to the frequency limits even if they improve the process significantly. They've been doing it for a while in CPUs and GPUs. Also, as long as they can keep power draw and heat under control, I'm perfectly ok with AMD pushing their products out of the box. It might be less fun, but you get all you paid for directly out of the box. I'm not so ok with products that require deliding, expensive cooling and lots of tinkering to get all they can offer.

@depth386

5 жыл бұрын

Alejandro Suárez Mascareño thats the one thing that has always bothered me about AMD, they basically OC their stuff stock and run it “on the edge”. I want reliability so that’s an issue for me to consider. Not an intel fanboi and really considering Ryzen but this issue of headroom does remain a thorn.

@BoogieDownProduction

5 жыл бұрын

@@depth386 Headroom for? Leave it at stock speeds and it will be stable.

@depth386

5 жыл бұрын

BoogieDownProduction instead of headroom for OC i think of it as headroom for the cooling to become less effective. Dust gets inside the case, fan motors get old, thermal paste eventually dries up, blocks can begin to clog (watercooling only). That’s what I mean by AMD always pushing to the edge and not leaving as much headroom. That said though, the Zen 2 / Ryzen 3000’s series has me pretty pumped. I hope Intel gets forced to go all out on R&D and competition. Will be great for PC Builders no matter which way you lean.

@BoogieDownProduction

5 жыл бұрын

@@depth386 Eh still a non-issue. If your thermal paste goes bad in years and years and years to come then it should be changed and nothing AMD/Intel does will change that. Cleaning a computer of dust is basic maintenance but even if you dont do maintenance I have seen very dusty computers run fine. Ryzen chips run cool as is.

@orionkenya1

4 жыл бұрын

I was able to get my i7-9700K running stable at 5.2 GHz with a corsair h100i platinum. Just simple BIOS tweaks. It outperforms the i9-9900KS and the Ryzen 9 3900X in both Multi core and single core performance.

haha the thermal grizzly ad with the paste going everywhere has me cracking up.. :D

I enjoyed this conversation. I hope you do more videos like this.

GN, thank you. This video is the reason I call you tech Jesus. Thank you to David for joining him.

I don't care if its delayed... ... as long as they get it right, and produce a strong, bug free product that can run reliably for a long long time.

@nickpickerwi7787

6 жыл бұрын

MeMad Max With a soldered IHS.

@chronicalcultivation

5 жыл бұрын

This comment aged terribly. Just like Intel CPUs are doing.

This is super interesting, thanks to the both of you. What would be nice to hear some thoughts on is how do we estimate that the upcoming 7nm process by GF & TSMC will compare to the existing and current 14++(+) Intel process? Is there any data available that could make for an educated guess with regards to performance?

Great interview, thanks for helping us understand whats going on with Intel at an understandable level.

You can never have too much Kanter.

Can do more of this

Great discussion! Thanks, Steve!

Nexus what headsets are those? I know they're Sennheiser's, but what model? Thanks

This is the good life, listening to 2 professionals talk about cutting edge technology. Thanks for the great video, this really cleared up a lot of my confusion about what on earth is 10nm and why intel was still chasing 10nm when AMD had 7nm.... video clearly explained that.

@1pcfred

6 жыл бұрын

AMD has nothing. AMD has not made a chip themselves in 10 years. They sold their fab in 2008.

@FarFromHome91

6 жыл бұрын

Paul Frederick Oh I see..but the architecture and manufacturing specs come from AMD, despite being outsourced, am I understanding this right?

@1pcfred

6 жыл бұрын

That's about the size of it. AMD comes up with the designs then they have fab plant make the chips. AMD cannot afford to build a fab themselves. A new fab these days would cost about 10 times what AMD is worth. That's something else that wasn't mentioned in this video. Intel hasn't really invested in building a new fab for themselves in a while now. But they have the cash. Heck Intel could break ground on 10 new fabs today. But it is still money. I guess they'd rather spend it on executive bonuses?

I hope 10th gen is 10nm.

@will3641

6 жыл бұрын

ZC, not likely, copper lake just went out on the net. Another 14nm......

@CoderMonkeyNathan

6 жыл бұрын

Intel is going to release a partial 10nm in 2019. It's more like 12nm but it's going to be called 10nm.

@will3641

6 жыл бұрын

Harambe's Ghost, keep at this rate, I would say they will change everything to "justify" all the delay.

@gordongoodman8342

6 жыл бұрын

If 10th gen is significantly faster and power efficient, who cares?

@atruebrit6452

6 жыл бұрын

@Gordon Goodman NOBODY. BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE. lol

We need a follow up video over this discussion in 2020. I'd like to hear what David would say today compared to 2018!!

Cool that was very informative. I like these type of videos when you do them

people keep giving intel crap about 10nm and fail to remember how long it took for amd to adopt anything smaller than 32nm...

@bird8040

5 жыл бұрын

And yet they are dominating right now

@harpskid

5 жыл бұрын

@@bird8040 AMD? LOL no. Staying competitive? Definitely. Let's not get carried away here.

@truedarklander

5 жыл бұрын

@@harpskid AMD outselled Intel in Germany last months

@bird8040

5 жыл бұрын

@@harpskid They are outselling Intel by a lot, no one is getting too carried away here. I'm not even fanboying as I am still probably going to get an 8700k because that is honestly my favorite cpu, but, AMD has very good value.

Intel has simply enjoyed the monopoly/non-competition from AMD for too long. Ripping off their customers by churning out small upgrades year after year.

@sulphurous2656

2 жыл бұрын

If only the same problem with NVIDIA would subside.

Thanks Steve & David. Really informative and interesting

Maybe David has some information about what is going on at ASML as they make practically all lithography machines. They are also the developers of euv so I would be very interested in hearing what he knows about the progress.

What's truly frustrating is that post silicon technology has been so neglected and underdeveloped that even 18 years into the 21st century, nothing is anywhere near production ready.

@HickoryDickory86

6 жыл бұрын

Precisely. Like graphene-so promising, but no one even looks its way.

@ohnobaby12321

6 жыл бұрын

When we get to the limitation of silicon, other avenues will be looked at. As of right now there is no economic incentives to devlope new materials

@1pcfred

6 жыл бұрын

If you study the advent of technology one thing becomes clear, it takes time to develop technology. More than a lot of folks really tend to appreciate. Where's my flying car? If you want to be frustrated become a nuclear physicist. The people that demonstrated fusion are all dead today. Where's that technology applied practically? We might all die too before that becomes a reality.

@ckingpro

6 жыл бұрын

Graphene is so promising and there are a lot of people looking into it. The problem is that it is just too good at conducting and only very recently we have gotten it to stop conducting when we want it. Even then, it was under extremely ideal conditions. Basically, more research is needed as always for new technology.

@mduckernz

6 жыл бұрын

I'm interested in vacuum transistors. Like vacuum tubes but made in-silico.

HL 3 confirmed

Where's the first one? Still haven't gotten an answer and I can't find it

I like such content GN. In-depth tech stuff, feels like i really learned something :)

Checked my discord at 28:38

@ItsReaxxion

6 жыл бұрын

same XDDD

AMD run by a Scientist (engineer). Intel run by accountant. What is your conclusion of the delay?

out of topic..name of Steve's headset? thank you in advanced

Can you try freezing the 1950x or the new 32 core with a freezer unit or ln2

why this just popped out in my recommendations? huh

@alexbridenbaker9261

4 жыл бұрын

Is it because Intel is doing the same thing, delaying if again?

@dondraper4438

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexbridenbaker9261 Yeah, next gen is a new architecture but still on 14nm, and that is launching in Q1~Q2 2021.

to make a long story short........ Intel rested on their ass for too long assuming they would hold their dominant position and now they have trouble waking up. Edit: second conclusion, let us consumers celebrate a once more competitive market!

Really outstanding video would like to see more like this

Hey Steve, what happened there at 24:25, buddy? That was a longer blink that the usual, was it not?

Looking at this in 2020, this keeps looking worse and worse...

I wonder if the "i9" 8c/16t will only work on z390. I wouldn't be surprised.

@saladwithsalad

6 жыл бұрын

99%

@lort6022

6 жыл бұрын

every single z370 board has firmware update that enables 9th gen support... this has been known for months.

@swayze240

6 жыл бұрын

@@lort6022 everything I've seen said i3 / i5 / i7. None of them mention support for an i9.

@oxaile4021

6 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking it'll be the only soldered chip in the 9th gen lineup too.

@swayze240

6 жыл бұрын

@@oxaile4021 I agree. It will need it I'm sure. I like how Intel keeps dropping their base clock so they can fudge the TDP numbers.

thanks to David for giving us his opinion on the situation and Steve for making this possible. at first i was hesitant because i thought its gonna be a dry subject with alot of speculation but thanks to Mr. Kanter they whole "10nm" myth makes more sense. I think thats the GN content most people are subscribed for around here. cheers, good luck with the rest of the move

Great interview, can you please start running the audio through a de-essing filter please? Thanks

I wasn't really paying attention there at the beginning. This guy works for intel right? That would explain why he was so absolutely against saying anything too negative about them.

@forestmanzpedia

4 жыл бұрын

This guy: "He doesnt say anything negative about Intel. He must have been payed by Intel smh" Dude, did you watch the video? You are just assuming things that dont make sense. This video is an explaination of how Intel fails to make 10nm CPUs. That guy already made good explainations, which itself are negative points about Intel. This is no playground bashing with no solid arguments, the type of things you seem to enjoy, which is what you just did. If you cant deal with this, then can you please go back to r/Ayymd? We dont need blind and biased people around here.

AMD's 3nm would come earlier than Intel's 10nm.

@wuhanlabtech3580

6 жыл бұрын

And that will be the same as Intel's 7nm .. so AMD's 7nm is gonna be out the same around the time as intel 10nm which is basically the same accept when you start digging a little more you will find out again intel will have more frequency headroom .. and I am absolutely a intel fan they are American company providing higher paying jobs here then amd .. same would go for europe .. and btw it's not amd its tsmc doing all the work and also be supplying nvidia with 7nm.

@cathallawlor989

6 жыл бұрын

Ed Knowlton r/whoosh

@alienrenders

6 жыл бұрын

Intel's 10nm process has been scrapped. It doesn't exist.

@MikeHanson

6 жыл бұрын

Ed Knowlton: You're making assumptions. Intel's current chips clock so high because they have been refined on the same process for several generations. AMD got higher clocks on second gen Ryzen chips on the same process too and as their architecture matures theoretically they should be able to squeeze more performance and higher clocks out of them as well. And btw, AMD chips are manufactured by GLOFO and TSMC but they are AMD's design. Without a design there is no chip. TSMC doesn't design chips, they manufacture them. Intel happens to do both which likely has it's own pros and cons. More control but also more expensive. TSMC, not having to invest in design and many other things that Intel does would give them a slight advantage when it comes to the manufacturing process. I think it's going to come down to who designed the better chip and less of which process it was manufactured under, I think that is just marketing BS. Should be an exciting next few years.

@hjembrentkent6181

6 жыл бұрын

3nm will experience quantum tunnelling, it might be impossible for mass production

I like you use videos/pictures to compliment the discussion

I bought a 1600 Ryzen 5. Is that 14 nm finfett or is it something else?

Can you do such an in depth video on why AMD's gaming performance per FLOPS is much lower than NVIDIA's?

@jdrok5026

6 жыл бұрын

Raman it's the way the architecture is

@defeqel6537

6 жыл бұрын

Depends on the game really, but basically AMD's GPUs have more processing power, but are lighter on graphics specific stuff (geometry engines, rasterizers, etc.), also nVidia's compression tech seems more aggressive, which might be the reason nVidia loses performance on HDR, while AMD doesn't (although, the only test I've seen was on 4K). Not sure if the compression tech has any effect on image quality, but some have claimed so.

@dominikliberda4017

6 жыл бұрын

As Defeqel said, AMD is lacking mostly in geometry department. FLOPS depends only on number of shaders. GCN has really weak geometry = if you would look at GCN core utilization, geometry engines are at 100% and shaders are mabye at like 50-60%. This is why V56 and V64 performs exactly the same when they´re at the same clocks (memory and core) - V56 has same amount of geometry engines that V64 has. V64 has +-15% more shaders, but it is so heavily limited by geometry, that these 15% of shaders translates only into 0-1% more performance. Vega should have removed (or at least decrease) geometry bottleneck thanks to few new technologies, but AMD cannot get them to work. If you want to know more about this topic, search for NerdTechGasm. BTW this is why Gameworks are so geometry heavy.

@dmitrypoletaev7478

6 жыл бұрын

FLOPs in the way people use to know them mostly are calculated just by multiplying compute units and frequency so they are not taking architecture into consideration, therefore it's ok to use this term only for compairson to product with the same architecture. The term definetly overused today in a very ignorant way.

@Lv100FlexingFurby

6 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t mention flops but I understand your question and it really comes down to the architecture

Intel delayed 10nm because they are too busy "inventing" a 28 core "mainstream" CPU which runs at "5 GHz" "out of the box"

@Slenderman63323

6 жыл бұрын

Atilolzz Did they claim 5GHz out of the box? They needed an expensive exotic cooling solution to hit 5.1

@Denasdc

6 жыл бұрын

Epsilon 5.1 and 5.0 are two different things. 5.0 on air, but 5.1 on exotic. Simple

@pyroromancer

6 жыл бұрын

4000 watt water chilling unit sold separately.

@pyroromancer

6 жыл бұрын

@@Slenderman63323 hes putting them in quotes, know your memes

@Haos666

6 жыл бұрын

@Epsilon Most of online journalists claimed 5Ghz whereas Intel conveniently forgot to mentioned industrial chiller.

Very informative chat !!!

Truly excellent work. Nice to have somebody who knows what he's talking about to listen to.

the stupid and simple story: that's what happened when wall street mangers takes over technological base company

@grlmgor

6 жыл бұрын

More likely diversity hires.

@storm37000

5 жыл бұрын

same thing happening to google/youtube.

@b1moulto

5 жыл бұрын

Bingo

Discord Beep 28:38

@frosty9392

6 жыл бұрын

i hate that 2 seconds where you are like "wait.." lol

@Fulano5321

6 жыл бұрын

And here I was "That beep was familiar... what tab did it come from?"

@hauntedlolita666

5 жыл бұрын

Hey fellow Elin.

@m4xwellmurd3r

5 жыл бұрын

Came here to find this comment lol. I heard that and was like "my phone doesnt do the discord beep"

I liked this video quite a bit, Steve. I learned quite a bit. Thanks.

I very much like these interviews, Gamers Nexus always reporting the stuff that matters.

"Three months ahead of Intel's 10nm parts" Heh.

The resolution of his crystal ball can be greatly improved by going to EUV, however that has its own downsides as well. Mainly cancer.

@carholic-sz3qv

5 жыл бұрын

samsung has pretty almost accomplished the EUV technology

Simply excellent, lots of good info and insight

Love this content, very insightful and informative into the state of technology

Oh yeah 10nm intel sure will be superior than 7nm AMD... you know, in 4-5 more years when AMD is pushing 5-3nm.

@alexisleftist778

6 жыл бұрын

ErgonomicChair way before then we will probably be using some other material due to the limitations of silicon. If hope at least since its theorized max silicon will be 5 nm but quantum tunneling will become a issue to overcome

@ErgonomicChair

6 жыл бұрын

I'm heard of carbon nano tube processors but, CNT is so hard to mass produce! I think we're still a ways off from any mass production of CNT of any kind but I could be WAY off and you could be right! It would be pretty cool.

@CaveyMoth

6 жыл бұрын

How about dat graphene?

@ErgonomicChair

6 жыл бұрын

Graphene can be pretty tricky but is a possibility... it can be damaged a lot easier than silicon.

@alphyte2813

5 жыл бұрын

I'm sure intel 7nm competes favorably with TSMC 3nm, if you look at it from the specs, not just a number followed by nanometer. Intel announced that 10nm delays will NOT be affecting 7nm.

Leave it to GN to brighten my day with MORE great content!

@kn00tcn

6 жыл бұрын

ice on my wrist, shine like a light, i'ma brighten up your day, even at night

This is why I'm subscribed. A truly educational video. Thank you.

Good conversation, very informative.

Whist they may be the same density wise , TSMC etc 7nm is here now and works, intels 10nm is not and the few parts they have on it dont even work properly.

@lort6022

6 жыл бұрын

tsmc 7nm does not have good enough yields for mass production. only a few engineering samples on 7nm have been done (using big dies). smaller dies are much easier to make. intel has mobile 10nm chips out and working...

@pyroromancer

6 жыл бұрын

@@lort6022 those are enterprise intel dies cut 3/4th because of massive defects

@T1H0

6 жыл бұрын

Has 10nm out and working, but they have no advantage over 14nm, not even power draw.

@dstblj5222

6 жыл бұрын

while tsmc global and samsung all seem to have arm based chips on 7nm running somewhat smoothly

What if Intel says they are delayed but they are making 5nm to bamboozle everyone.

@daviXD18

6 жыл бұрын

cowthedestroyer that's dumb

@cowthedestroyer

6 жыл бұрын

So is fortnite.

@mduckernz

6 жыл бұрын

That would be a massive shareholder violation. That said, this doesn't mean Intel wouldn't do it, they've broken serious financial laws in the past.

@DavidTMSN

6 жыл бұрын

No.

Epic info! One interesting thought, is increased density going to create more thermal issues?

Super interesting talk, cheers guys :)

hey small critique, when you do interviews like this in the future, could you take the audio and normalize the audio so the "s"s and "t"s aren't as sharp and grating? I know this is a small nit pick but it would really make these really interesting interviews a little easier to listen to.

@wysetech2000

6 жыл бұрын

The things that people "NIT PICK" about.After all it is free.

@kn00tcn

6 жыл бұрын

the term you're asking for is called a 'de-esser' which is a type of audio (mastering) compression, but i say the primary cause in this case is the software and/or microphone used to record, the irritation only comes from david's voice & it very obviously has high frequencies cut off, a lot of times that makes it more obvious (like when you listened to low quality myspace music players or further back some crappy real audio) wysetech2000, how dare you bully others trying to improve the communication clarity! there is always someone like you acting like all criticism is made up or that free means accept dear leader's offering... so if it's paid, are you going to say the customer is always right & allowed to complain all they want, to bully the product maker or cashier or servant or whoever? what a load of crap, *it's up to the content creator to decide to accept criticism*, if they even know how to fix it

@majnu100

6 жыл бұрын

Normalizing won't solve that. There are de-esser plugins that will solve it however.

@RobertJBareIII

6 жыл бұрын

kn00tcn thanks for shedding a little light on de-esser plugins for me, it's been a long time since I've worked with audio and I remembered there was some sort of utility to make s' less sharp and grating, for the life of me I couldn't remember what it was called when I was writing my last comment so I just settled on normalizing (now realizing what it was). Also thank you for sticking up for me.

David's a smart guy, but did he really just try to play off a PR blow as effectively irrelevant?

@billcosby4u

6 жыл бұрын

My take on what he said was that if it takes Intel 3 months longer to come to market with an equivalent product then it won't vastly change the Intel - AMD power dynamic (it just means that AMD has bragging rights for 3 months). However, if it takes Intel a lot longer to catch-up then AMD may have a real chance of gaining significant market-share.

@TechHug

6 жыл бұрын

By every indication it's gonna be closer to 6+ months, which is also enough time that AMD will be able to play with pricing.

@billcosby4u

6 жыл бұрын

I hope so. Lord knows I'm no fanboy for any company (I can't even fathom the mindset of some of those people), but I really want to see AMD do well, make a ton of money, and kick Intel hard enough for them to stop resting on their laurels and get back to making some seriously good products. 6 months to 1 year of technical dominance may be enough to do just that.

Before this video I was thinking we were near the edge of what was possible with silicon processors but wow, it sounds like there's so many things that we still haven't done that will improve everything massively.

Awesome videos! Very appreciated

its 2020 and still no 7nm from intel, you know.

@happygimp0

4 жыл бұрын

Still 14nm++++++++++++ They even want to reopen a 14nm factory.

is nm a better representation of performance

@pegasusted2504

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's possible to tell as none of them, as far as I know, actually measure it properly. I may be wrong though and be great to learn how :~)

@johngg4867

6 жыл бұрын

Not really, but you can assume that CPUs with smaller manufacturing nodes are newer, and therefore, (slightly, actually depending)higher performance

@ZanderX10

6 жыл бұрын

nm is mostly just a naming label for commoners like us. It somewhat correlates to density, which we don't care about, and doesn't correlate with performance at all since 14nm++ is better than 10nm. New nodes these days are trade-offs; they want better density to bring cost down but without new technology it will lose performance and yield.

@popcorny007

6 жыл бұрын

The size of the lithography directly relates to power efficiency, meaning that the thinner it is, the higher the clock speed can be at the same power usage (In very basic terms). It raises the upper boundary that the physical dies can support, improving EVERYTHING.

@doc7000

6 жыл бұрын

The smaller they go the less power it takes to power it meaning more energy efficient. As well as being able to fit more transistors on a die of the same size. So yes there are advantages including performance advantages in going with smaller transistors. With that said there is the law of diminishing returns as well as challenges at smaller sizes. Really the future of cpu designs seem to be what amd did and what Intel will be moving to. That is "glueing a bunch of 4 core cpus together to make one cpu.

I LOVE this!! An actual analyst on your show man unlike most youtubers!Great job and keep up the great work! I am now a fan 4 lyfe

Awesome interview, lots of good info

I am really depressed as it looks like no more Snowflakes since the move into the new office :( :( Going through major Snowflake withdraws.

@kn00tcn

6 жыл бұрын

but they didnt actually move their stuff yet (the furniture is new) & snowflake was seen a couple days ago

Why hasn't Intel made it a point to focus on this dissimilar comparison of the two processes? Are they simply taking the "high road?"

@1pcfred

6 жыл бұрын

What can anyone say past performance specs. Tech is at a level now where it cannot be easily examined. It may even be beyond our technology to examine integrated circuits after they've been processed into products? It is not like Intel can just waltz into a competitor's fab and learn all of their secrets. No one is going to just give up their technological advantages. Well, it has happened. I think companies are more savvy about that sort of thing today though. Fortunes hang in the balance.

@defeqel6537

6 жыл бұрын

Intel isn't selling their fab production to outsiders, so all anyone cares about is the performance of the end-products.

@MrV1NC3N7V3G4

6 жыл бұрын

@@1pcfred companies regularly examine the chip architecture of competitors IC's. It's a trivial thing for them. I understand that performance is the main goal and that's what we should be measuring, but everyone seems to be making a huge deal about architecture size these days. If it's not a big deal and we only care about actual performance, why is it such a huge topic? I think some tech channels get too focused on nit-picking. Who cares what size lithography a company is using as long as it meets specs at the desired power consumption, right? I love that AMD is keeping Intel on their toes because competition is always good for the consumer, but don't count Intel out just yet. They pioneered this architecture that everyone is trying to improve.

@lort6022

6 жыл бұрын

because intel makes their own chips and looks at performance instead of talking about nanometer, because it's useless. intel's 14nm is more advanced than glofo 12nm which ryzen 2nd gen uses. intel 10nm is on par or slightly better than tsmc 7nm, go figure...

@1pcfred

6 жыл бұрын

Actual performance has been driven by Moore's Law. But we're at a point where it is not as easy to keep going anymore. Look at the advance of the industry like folding a piece of paper over and over. Initially it isn't so hard but after a number of folds it just gets tougher and tougher to make the bend. At it's core Moore's Law was all about shrinking the pitch of parts on a die. That's it. That is where virtually all performance gains have come from. Halve the pitch and double your performance. Now they can't even reduce the pitch by 50%. Up to about 10 years ago they halved the pitch like clockwork. Then it got hard to keep doing that. Since about 22-24nm it has gotten really hard to reduce the pitch of parts. Which is why the industry is stagnating. Their path to increased performance is blocked for them going forward. They just can't make that hard fold anymore. They've actually resorted to what amounts to lying about pitch lately. In order to keep the fantasy of the good times going.

i listened to the whole thing. this was a great video

Thank you good sir, David. Your intelligence is appreciated.

Now it is end of 2019. Intel has 10 nm. It uses less power, but only works with slow frequencies. So the CPUs are only used in Laptops. AMD has high frequency 7 nm. Intel is trying to keep up with this with an improved 14 nm process. On few cores, Intel can run higher frequencies but AMD has higher ICP (Instructions per clock). Intel has theoretical still the fastest chip, but only on few cores. AMD starts delivering CPUs with more cores to the consumer market. They need less power, are cheaper offer more connections to the peripherals and nearly crushed Intels product line. On the other hand AMD has problems to deliver high quantities of the top of the product line. The top model 16 cores (32 threads) for the consumer market has delayed. It will be delivered tomorrow. Lets see how many AMD can deliver. Intel has troubles to do deliver the amount of 14 nm chips they could sell too. That's weird, because the CPUs aren't the best anymore. It is probably due to long-term supply contracts to large PC manufacturers. Intel uses additionally external manufacturer to get enough chips. AMD has no own factories. All chips are created by TSMC. AMD uses a chiplet design. This means the CPU is being build by using several small chips (called chiplets). The best chipplets are sorted out and used in CPUs with more cores. Therefore, the situation has arisen that the CPUs with the most cores run the fastest at each core. This makes these CPUs suitable for gaming, although not all cores are used by the games yet. AMD has a much better income now. Intels income seems not to decrease. Just more chips seems to be sold in total. Will this continue to work for Intel if they can not deliver 10 nm chips for desktops? Or is Intel able to create 10 nm for Desktop? This is what the future will show.

"How much performance can AMD realistically gain from going to 7nm?" Uh... Like 40%--without counting for the architectural improvements coming in Zen 2.

@dotted1337

6 жыл бұрын

Define "performance"

@skywalker1991

6 жыл бұрын

If Amd just die shrink zen1 to 7nm , they would end up with very small dies, 2.8 x space saving or can say Amd can put 3 zen1 dies on same space on 7nm. If amd sells them at same price as now that's 3x more profit for Amd . but 7nm is also 3x more expensive to produce so not sure if Amd will just break even . I'm sure Amd is improving IPC and 7nm will allow for higher clocks, thats how amd will sell more chips.

@mduckernz

6 жыл бұрын

dotted Higher clocks, lower power consumption, more dies per wafer.

@riotintomaršsadrine

5 жыл бұрын

And less power consumption and less heat...

@ZoneCrasher

5 жыл бұрын

AFAIK, AMD doesn't own any fabs.

Will 2019 holiday 10nm desktops even have as good singlethread performance / overclock speeds as say the least 14nm+++ 9900k?

@dstblj5222

6 жыл бұрын

won't be 2019 holiday 10nm intel desktops only laptops most likely due to production limitations

I'm wondering which graphics card Intel is using for designing its chips or 10nm processing? Using Nvidia, AMD, or even Intel's own intergrated graphics card? It's interesting if to use competitor's technology and products to design and produce its own products... It's also interesting that Intel wanna release its own discrete graphics card around 2020...