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Tip for Corey. Once you have drilled pilot holes in mini C.U. offer it up to partner enclosure (3 phase box) and mark the hole position through existing pilot hole. Perfect alignment without messing around to find centre of circle.

Hi guys, Yankie viewer here. I love the channel. Electricity/electronics have fascinated me for as long as I cn remember. You were wondering about how the 110V worked. Here in North America (US specificlly) our mains for residential service is 220 V, singls-phase, though, in relity nominally more like 240 V. Unlike there, neutral is not referenced to either leg, but rather a center tap. This gives us 120 V from one leg to neutrl for most things like lighting, plug sockets, and small appliances. Larger items like air conditioners, cookers, elecctric dryers (and, of course, EV chargers) connect across both live leads for 240V. Earth is typically bonded to neutral at the main panel (consumer unit) and to the cold water supply where it enters the building. Also our plug sokets are typically fused at 15 A and 20 A for kicchen appliances. Probably a good thing I grew up here rather than there given the number of times I have gotten shocked, 240V / 32A probably would have killed me. :-)

@johnburns4017

2 жыл бұрын

We have RCD protection.

That "black paint" is probably hidro insulation of the exterior wall, drilling that low risks compromising the insulation and bridging the water or humidity entry to the house

Finally a 3p domestic installation 😍😍 Thank you for doing this project 👍👍👍

Hi Jordan, you've got a fantastic team and they genuinely like you. You are an example of an excellent boss. Chris. Northampton.

@artisanelectrics

2 жыл бұрын

We do like him!!

I'm electrician in Quebec, Canada and love watching you guy's, good work every time ! here residential is 120/240v 1phase and industrial and commercial is 347/600v 3phase. have a good day !

@dominicmcgonigle9500

2 жыл бұрын

That is mostly the same in the UK are residential is normally 240 single phase this house is however one of the exceptions

@julien801

2 жыл бұрын

@@dominicmcgonigle9500 120v L1+N or L2+N is for light, outlet and 240v L1+L2 is for heater, coocker, dryer etc

@MrKnatterton

2 жыл бұрын

@@julien801 Ah ok , it's like in the US? 240V is splitted in 2*120 at the transformer, then 240 and 2*120 ist going in to the House? Here in Germany every privat building has 400V / 3 Phases 240V, mostly 63A. A Charger with 11kW is normal, if you like to install more then one or one with 22kW you must ask the network operator bevor installing.

@stephenjones9153

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrKnatterton I always tell my family and friends about how clever the Germans are and very sensible. Her in Liverpool we even have a great German Manager in Jurgen Klopp 😊👍👍

We had 3 Phase fitted onto our 1996 built UK detached home for free. Currently running two Zappi Chargers, 1 x 7kW and 1 x 22kW on 3 phase. Very nice 👌

@owenwilson3750

2 жыл бұрын

Whos ur provider if u dont mind me asking?

@shitgetugly

2 жыл бұрын

How did you get it installed for free?

@JustMeTalking

2 жыл бұрын

@@owenwilson3750 Western Power

@JustMeTalking

2 жыл бұрын

@@shitgetugly We were on a Looped Supply with our Neighbour. They wanted to remove it first, and I asked for 3 Phase instead. As they were already going to do the 'unloop' for free, they agreed.

How do you not get ripped to shreds on sites with that scarf man

I’m having a new build house built at the minute (due to move in around August time) and managed to get a 3 phase supply fitted as an extra (it cost me £1200 but well worth it in my opinion) - there will be a 3 Phase DB in the garage for machine tools / 22kw car charger and L3 will run from that to the house and feed a standard Hager Consumer Unit - thought it best to upgrade and future proof - so for anyone else looking at new builds, it’s well worth asking as its a lot cheaper then doing retrospectively (although they didn’t have a clue what it was asking for until i drew them an electrical plan and spoke to their electrical contractors ) - I’m baffled to why that house has a US 110v split phase system though - are they an American family who didn’t want to replace all their appliances? If so then the fitting of the 110v points must have cost more then replacing the appliances.

@stevendavies4572

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you've had a bargain there.i spoke to a chap who had to pay 40k to get it installed.

@benjaminc1816

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevendavies4572 I think because I’m getting a new build and they had to run a mains feed in anyway it was cheaper - there’s 3phase in the road so the only cost is the cable and paperwork - with the way the world is going now with heat pumps / EV’s / aircon etc I thought it best to future proof - I’d recommend anyone getting a new build to push for 3phase as I expect it will be the norm in 5 years

@dennybaker8755

2 жыл бұрын

Thats very expensive . . . Hope its made of gold 😂

@havoctrousers

2 жыл бұрын

There isn't a scenario where those 110V points make any sense to me. Shipping appliances to the UK would be stupidly expensive, never mind setting up a dedicated 120V board, transformer and accessories. There are very few appliances that would need exact US supply characteristics, the only things I can think of being motors where the AC frequency is used for the functionality (clocks, tape decks, VHS recorders and turntables) and you could just buy 50Hz UK versions. They must need that 120V/60Hz for *something* ? Maybe as part of the building's previous purpose they had a lot of US visitors with their own devices?

@patdbean

2 жыл бұрын

@@dennybaker8755 I would think the cost of a 3 phase service basically comes down to the distance from the 3 phase main to the service head and how much trenching is needed.

Nice new intro guys! This mystery 110 install has everyone talking.

Very informative for somebody who is also scoping out a 3-phase connection and 22kW charger. I thought I was the only person on this island with a garage full of winter wheels!

@waqasahmed939

7 ай бұрын

The issue with the 22 kWh chargers is that most cars can only pull 11 kWh via AC So for most people it isn't quite worth the upgrade

@neilburton100

7 ай бұрын

@@waqasahmed939they’ll become more common as electrical demands evolve. I went ahead with an upgrade and its proven to be extremely worthwhile now whilst undoubtedly a good future-proofing measure. The key for me is being able to charge 2 cars simultaneously at 11kW each, within a time limited off-peak charging window. More cars will support 22kW in the future. I currently have one (iX M60) and although its a rare requirement its been very handy to be able to charge it that quickly on my own drive.

I had 3 phase 25A installed last year coming from single phase 35A quite an improvement. It only cost €300.

@paulf3353

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the UK. You'll pay a fortune for any labour here.

Here in South Wales I’ve worked on a few domestic jobs lately and western power have been replacing all the supply’s in the street to three phase ready for electric chargers in the future

Upgrading from single to three phase supply costs only €300 in the Netherlands. That's possible because all supply cables and incomers here are three phase, so the DNO only has to add two fuses and swap the meter.

@black.phoenix.

Жыл бұрын

Same in Portugal. My grandparent's home is a 3 phase instalation because of 2 drilled wells with submersible pump inside (both at 30m depth).

I enquired about getting 3ph to the house for running workshop machines. But the DNO told me that only 2 phases came down the street, with properties alternating between those 2 phases. To add 3ph they would have to run a custom feed from the substation. VFD's on the machines was cheaper!

Interestingly when I first enquired with Anderson you can apparently fit the 22kw changer on single phase and it will work due to being the same charger. It's just the connector and out going lead which is different. A good option for homes that can be upgraded to 3 phase but already have a set date for delivery before hand etc. It's also the charger recommended by the Porsche dealers for the Taycan.

@havoctrousers

2 жыл бұрын

I've fitted the Schneider EVLink ones and they're the same. They don't have a tethered lead so you can use the 3P lead that came with your car for single or three phase. Ultimately, all these EVSE devices are really doing is using a contactor to link the incoming lines to the pins in your type 2 charging connector (the 3 horizontal middle pins of the type 2 connector are L1-L3) and the car is doing all the work of AC->DC. The EVSE doesn't really care whether just L1 or L1-L3 are connected although it will have an internal CT on each line for metering. Like you said, if the tethered lead is only 1P (cheaper and less copper) then it needs changing.

@effervescence5664

2 жыл бұрын

@@havoctrousers Oh I just meant from the pov that some manufacturers aren't actually using the same internals across the 1p/3p versions, either different contactors or actually no terminals for the extra phases. Not fitted the Schneider, we tend to fit the Zappi and Anderson as the main 2 with Hypervolt becoming popular mainly due to Jordan's channel here. I have a feeling that once the world stops being in such chaos all chargers will just be supplied 3 phase compatible as standard, especially as they're considering making all current homes where possible 3 phase to help with the transition to renewable - whether that comes to pass or not we'll see.

@johnburns4017

2 жыл бұрын

@@havoctrousers EVSE, another acronym to confuse and keep guys in the _club._

I would have un-glanded the cable and make Cory re-gland it after passing through the wall 😄

Job well done lads, I have made the same mistake myself with glanding off one end of my nyyj cable before feeding it behind drain pipes etc, I only did it once the. Nice and neet job.

Ive just had fitted 3 22kW Zappis on my new property. It has 100A 3phase. I understand the Master Zappi controls the total load demand across all 3 Zappis

Haha loved it when Cory part-walked into shot during the intro then realised and tip-toed back out of shot again 😂😂

In the US, the 110v is a centre tapped 220v supply - centre is earth referenced neutral and each live is 110v to neutral - their bigger appliances (dryers / HVAC etc) uses 220v as it feeds from both lives, and the generic appliances just use 110v - benefit is if you touch one live then the worst you’ll get is 110v through you - but the downsides are they need thicker cables as amperage is higher for the same wattage appliances on 240v - they have less protection in the board RCBO’s / AFDDs etc - but at least they don’t know the excruciating agony of standing on a UK 3 pin plug when walking through the house to go for a piss in the dark 😂

@steveb1856

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to say that!

@benjaminc1816

2 жыл бұрын

@@steveb1856 Ha! Sorry! I’m still baffled why someone would want their UK house wiring to US spec though! I’m intrigued!!

@michaelholliday100

2 жыл бұрын

Hey we do not have 220 volt power in the US. We have 120 volts, 240 volts and 208 volts... In the US most houses have single phase L1, L2 Neutral and Ground. L1 or L2 to Neutral = 120 volt service and L1 to L2 = 240 volt service. Most major appliances in the US like Air Conditioners, Ovens, Clothes Dryers and Hot Water Tanks are 240 volts.

@kenrohde6841

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelholliday100 Roughly, UK nominal voltage was 240v but was changed to 230v to harmonise with Europe which was at 220v nominal. Actual voltage will be in quite a range. In the UK, the declared voltage and tolerance for an electricity supply is 230 volts -6%, +10%. This gives an allowed voltage range of 216.2 volts to 253.0 volts (so the former 240v nominal is still within the normal range, that is also reason it is only -6% as the lower bound is the same one as when the declared voltage as 220).

@ib9rt

2 жыл бұрын

@@kenrohde6841 "Roughly, UK nominal voltage was 240v but was changed to 230v to harmonise with Europe" -- except it was not actually changed, the UK supply voltage is still 240 V same as it was before. There was no need to change it as 240 V lies quite well within the 230 V + 10% range. Michael Holliday is also quite correct that the normal supply voltage in the USA is 120 V not 110 V, with 240 V available for large appliances.

Love seeing you on the tools Jordan 💪💪

I have domestic 3-phase and a little known implication is not all energy suppliers have 3-phase SMETS meters (e.g. OVO - badgered me into a smart meter and when the technician turned up to fit the meter he said "Oh it's 3-phase we don't do that!" I said that I told the person booking the "upgrade" so they ended up giving me £30 for having wasted my time). Not yet a problem but the time will come when you can save money with smart-based tarrifs.

Thanks for sharing the video !

Haha 13:10 'when the apprentice becomes the master' look

I don’t think the 120v will be centre tapped earth as the RCBOs only look to be single pole, I wonder if transformer is a frequency converter too as it looks expensive!

@xNYCMarc

2 жыл бұрын

In the US and Canada (since we are on the same grid with each other), the electrical system is 240 volt with a center tapped transformer. The neutral is center tapped and bonded to earth. Neutral to one of the hots will give 120 volts. Hot to hot without the neutral will give 240 volts.

@nmccw3245

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that looks more complex than a simple step down transformer. I bet it’s a rectifier / inverter delivering 110V 60Hz or even center tapped 220V.

Memshield offer a 3-phase type a RCBO with 30ma. It takes up 4 ways but the 4th pole is blanked and insulated away from the busbar. You could have shifted some breakers down and saved putting in an external RCD?

Western Power Distribution have started installing 3 phase cables & service heads on a lot of new connections. Often only a single phase connected but it makes the upgrade process far easier (and hopefully cheaper)

@benjaminc1816

2 жыл бұрын

Most DNO’s are happy for new build developers to install 3 phase - my DNO is northern power grid they’ve approved me to have 3P on my new build - just a £1200 upgrade fee to the developer (bargain in the scheme of things) - 3 phase should be the norm on all new homes with 3+ bedrooms I think - a lot of countries in mainland Europe have been doing it that way for years

@computeraddic675

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminc1816 Yep!Since the war,they had to rebuild a lot off houses,so in every house since then the supply cable is 3 fase.But not all houses have 3 fase.But the cable is there allready.

@haldo691

2 жыл бұрын

It's standard now with western power you don't get the choice it's future proofing and allows for easier load balancing

@benjaminc1816

2 жыл бұрын

@@haldo691 eFIXX Did a video about this a few months back actually and WPD was the DNO - search for “this is not a consumer unit” and you’ll find it - it’s good to see!

@haldo691

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminc1816 I work for WPD so I know about it lol

Hi all at Artisan Electrics I’am not an electrician but watch your videos all time I like your work ethic. I have question, I have a 32amp round pin with switch on the outside wall for when my son visits to charge his Tesla, can I use one of those round pin extensions to 13 amp socket for use on electric mower??

Nice to see you out & about Jordan

@beeson514

2 жыл бұрын

Corey can you leave Jordan at home next time please.

So weird we use the same three phase electric meters in S.A/Namibia . 😎

Always check your car maximum AC charging input as a lot of cars will only charge at 11kW max on AC. Installing a 22 kW charger could be an expensive mistake. As a Ford dealer in Cardiff found out by installing 22 kW chargers instead of DC chargers against the advice of the installers and complained why his Ford Mach E cars weren't charging at 22 kW. Perhaps the issue was the Mach E only has a 11 kw charger ? LMAO.

Very interesting video, looking at your audit @ 16.38 minutes i note 6mm cable for a 25 m run, other web sites suggest 10mm plus ? Any opinion please, thankyou.

I recently had a 3 Phase charger installed, I was lucky that three phase supply to the house ( many years ago the house was three separate flats), internally it had been downgraded to single phase but reasonably quick to get U.K. power networks to upgrade main fuse and Eon ( after a lot of nonesense from EOn via email telling me I couldn’t have a three phase meter, clearly a training issue for their customer department) to put in three phase meter.

@johnburns4017

2 жыл бұрын

Do you pay more standing charges for having a three phase meter?

@peterjones6640

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnburns4017 No , all charges are exactly the same as for single phase.

Awesome video guys

I have a pole with 3 phase in my garden. I dug my own trench to the house from the pole and the MEB ran a cable into a new 3 phase/pme head in my utility room (I needed 3 phase for my garage and workshop). It cost me £350....30 years ago.... Looks like I got lucky and future proofed my gaff!

@photronsardarkling2064

2 жыл бұрын

You're so smug I wouldn't mind betting you're a politician 😁

@nectafarious8842

2 жыл бұрын

@@photronsardarkling2064 Just stating facts. Got the shovel out and got stuck in.

@photronsardarkling2064

2 жыл бұрын

@@nectafarious8842 Fair play dude 😁

A three phase is actually 'normal' here in the netherlands, but they usually dont go above 35 amps, but with loadbalancing you can also place a 22kw.

@hithere2546

2 жыл бұрын

For info 3 phase here is also 230/400v

I imagine it would be really easy and fairly inexpensive to get 3PHASE supply in an old terraced house. Just run a phase from each neighbours supply. Most streets have 3 phase running under the pavement.😉

Nice job as usual, lads.

Most modern homes in the Netherlands have three phase power (230/400 Vac). The main breakers are 25 or 50 Amp. When charging an EV with e.g. a 90 kWh battery, at night, with 22 kW from 35 to 85% SOC, that takes 2 to 2.5 hours. So it's ready before you go to bed. A bit over the top don't you think?

@thecooletompie

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was kinda surprised to learn most british homes do not have 3 phase. Don't they have any 380-400V appliances over in the UK.

@cmjones01

2 жыл бұрын

@@thecooletompie Generally only industrial and commercial appliances are 3 phase in the UK. Domestic properties just have high current single phase supplies. 100A single phase is not unusual (my own, quite small, house in the UK has a 100A supply), and even high power appliances like instant water heaters for showers (up to 13kW, 55A at 240V) run from single phase. I now live in Poland and most houses here have 3 phase supplies but only 25A per phase, so large appliances have to use all three phases.

@johnburns4017

2 жыл бұрын

@@cmjones01 11.5kW was the maximum on a single phase supply - last time I looked.

@njipods

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnburns4017 there is no limit on single phase. As long as the wiring is up to it and the network is ballenced.

@johnburns4017

2 жыл бұрын

@@njipods In the UK 11.5 kW for a single appliance

I wonder if this was owned by someone from USAF that was based in the UK..

@HenryLoenwind

2 жыл бұрын

Probably (originally) owned by the forces to be rented out to officers. We have plenty of those around here in Germany. Housing on-base with central dual-voltage supply for the normal soldiers, but officers get their rank-appropriate stand-alone houses.

@JasperJanssen

2 жыл бұрын

with the cars mentioned and the tires shown I’m thinking more jetset celebrity. Even generals don’t really get paid Porsche Huaycan money, do they?

@owenwilson3750

2 жыл бұрын

@@JasperJanssen fuck man you could even buy a pretty fast bike for the 12 extra rims alone xd

@nmccw3245

2 жыл бұрын

@@JasperJanssen - not until they retire into a sweet political position with kickbacks or a corporate lobbyist gig. 😜

What was in the board on the far right? Looks like it was intended as expansion for the main 3ph board as it does not appear to have an incomer. Could you have fitted an RCBO in there?

22kW are rare even in Germany. The electricity supplier has to approve it. 11kW are often installed because there are subsidies up to this size and the electricity supplier only needs to be informed. The problem is only when the car wants to draw 32 amps on one phase and is limited to 16 amps because of 11kW. Then it makes more sense to install a 7 kW charger one phase with 32 amps. Or trying to get 22kW approved because that's 3x 32 amps.

@mikebosman9280

2 жыл бұрын

Here in Denmark it is very normal to see 3x25A in a house. In our small house we have 3x35A.

@thomas.6497

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps to add some info here. In Ger a typical (house) setup is 3 phases with 63 amps each. The first fuse (3) are also 63 amps. Then the next device in the path is a Selective Switch Breaker (SSB) (I do not know how you call it in English) followed by the meter. The SSB is typically 63 amps as well under normal operation (no car charger and no PV system -> so-called intermittent operation). Then come the distribution with RCD’s (usually type A) and breakers (usually B16). So installing a 3P car charger is normally pretty straight forward. Usually you just need to add another RCD (type A) and 3P breaker. The DC 6mA residual current monitoring is usually embedded in the charger. When a car charger (and / or PV system) is installed the house operation changes to so-called duration operation and the SBB has to be changed to 50 or 35 amps depending on the meter wiring.

Interesting to see the 110V transformer in a home, guess they travel between North America and the UK a lot. Most common setup here is corner-tapped Delta. Wonder if that is actually split phase, seems so looking at the board. Some homes built in the 1950s here have "Stinger" 3-phase as the air conditioners of the time were only 3 phase. Vast majority of houses and even some small businesses are split phase 120V.

@toddt6730

Жыл бұрын

I wonder what they are using the 110 for, it still is going to be 50 Hz as compared to American 60hz

Awesome video

Love the new intro ✨✨

Updating to 3phase isn’t always extortionate - I’ve been quoted 3k inc vat from the DNO (which is still a lot considering I have a telegraph pole at the end of my 10m driveway) - I was surprised when I got the formal quote!

@stuinNorway

2 жыл бұрын

If you have a pole at the bottom of yout garden you're lucky. We needed to upgrade as our home had a 1 ph 50A circuit, had to dig 25m up the road, plus 20m under our block paved drive, and a totally new intake box, secondary distribution box to split to car charger, and then into house with rest... It was NOT cheap, just the cabling to the house was over £10k

@chapman9230

Жыл бұрын

Just got a quote and yes we are lucky too. Pole directly outside. 2.6 k but we have to dig a trench.

Surely if Cory prematurely glanded one end, rather than pull the whole coil through the wall, why didn’t you just remove the gland from the board and fit it to the charger and thread the unmade end back through the hole, gland it and fit it to the board? Or have I missed something obvious?

@matthewdale956

2 жыл бұрын

Thinking the same 🤔, must of been more to it

1:52 not to start a comment war, however the US outlets are upside down. While there are arguments either way, the majority of manufactures assume the ground pin is down, because that is the way all the cabling are made for the transfers and other times (charges etc). Kind of like if you guys put the ground pin down, but its our assumption here. Our larger 240V style plugs assume ground pin is up as all 90 degree cables are made that way here. 😁👍

@CoolerQ

2 жыл бұрын

It is commonly done both ways. I wouldn't say ground up is wrong. Residential is most commonly ground down and commercial is most commonly ground up. The usual argument is that commercial installations tend to use metal faceplates, and if the face plate becomes loose you'd rather have it fall on the ground pin than a live pin. Of course that's only a problem because our plugs don't have sleeved pins.

@dg2908

2 жыл бұрын

These US outlets on a UK sized plate are part of MK's logic plus range which curve in at the top. They definitely intended them to be fitted with the ground pin at the top as in the video

@matthewdale956

2 жыл бұрын

Us switches are upside as well 😉

@HenryLoenwind

2 жыл бұрын

I'd argue that ground-down is the safer configuration. When the plug rattles free, the bigger gap will be at the top, so having the harmless pin there to be exposed to touch is nicer. (Really, who thought designing a plug in a way that a live pin can be exposed to touch was a good idea?)

Great video 😎

Fun fact: You can do 10A 7.2kW over 5x1.5mm² cable (total 7.5mm² of copper). Fot the same power, at 30A, you would need at least 3x4mm² (total 12mm²), which is 50% more copper for the same power.

A 3 phase supply upgrade starts from £1500 + VAT, just been looking into this today for a 3 phase electric combi boiler.

@CEwig84

Жыл бұрын

Are you from erasure? 😄

So the house is definitely a current or former USAF safe house for offsite secure comms in the event the base was bombed or placed out of action it’s all to USAF Europe specs and probably contains a load of bits we don’t get to see unless they ahe been removed , I am guessing it’s been sold off because there is no way filming would be filming place if it was still USA property

@farmersteve129

2 жыл бұрын

Seen plenty of similar installations that are nothing to do with USAF or US government, a safe house would not have a visibly obvious 110V system with yankee plugs everywhere. Some Yanks just like their own stuff... even though it comes out of a the same plant in Shenzhen...🤣🤣

@jamieblatantsparky

2 жыл бұрын

@@farmersteve129 Thete are a few other things I’ve spotted that lead me to belive it’s not a normal house

Rather fun that up here in the Nordics the smallest supply for a house is 3x25A, with no option for single phase anymore. I think most DNOs won’t do single phase except for technical applications, like a supply for an ISP network cabinet or something.

@arnoldsmit3289

Жыл бұрын

Same in the Netherlands most common is 3X25A, and in older homes and apartments 1X35A.

9:36 That wrench blew my mind

Just wondering do ye install load management clamp on clamps to monitor the loads of each phase , and if so how does it link to the charger

@heladas90

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like they haven't on this one which is a bit crap as this house has a bit of load on it. You would install a cat 5 cable from the chargepoint to the main tails of the house just after the electricity meter.

Thought I saw somewhere that in new builds in Wales Western Power Distribution are fitting 3 phase supplies as standard to support all these car chargers. Hopefully other DNOs will follow suit!

@wyndavies5044

2 жыл бұрын

That is true. Only 3 phase cable and head for now and only use one phase. When the works will be cartied out on the lines, all they will have to do is connect up.

Wow, that's exactly the meter we have. Power companies have wanted to change the meter for a smart one several times but each time the guy has come out he has gone away again not knowing how. We have L1 and L2 into the meter with L3 not connected. L1 then feeds the main house consumer unit and L2 feeds a unit in the garden (via a secondary rotary meter). We don't own the house (church rectory) otherwise I would be inclined to get this all sorted out.

I'm in UK and as I have my supply looped from next door on 80amps. I asked my DNO to swap too 100 amp fuse and they said I can upgrade to 3 phase at the same time as they have to dig up the garden to run new cables..might as well put in 3 phase right??

@Saaj2

2 жыл бұрын

Yes definitely. Since it's a looped supply I'm guessing it's free of charge? 100% do it! You don't necessarily need to get a 3 phase meter until you're ready.

Cables In that 3 phase CU is like Bob Marley’s hair style

Why are external small cabinets always being used to house RCD protections on your installs? In Australia we would have put in something like the Hager BD163T and kept the RCD on the board. I have been meaning to ask for a long time as it seems common in your Car Charger installs to have a separate RCBO and Breaker rather than combining on the board and with single pole it is even simpler.

Spectacular

now days most houses in finland has 3 fase circuits, there still are old houses that only have 1 fase system.

Sad that the hilti drill is already broken I have the same Dewalt drill as Corry had never died on me!

What's wrong with Makita? They're reasonably priced and they last pretty well in my experience

@dg2908

2 жыл бұрын

Would you like three old drills and a vacuum to work it out for yourself?

What was the kVA in the property? Did you ask the DNO to increase the kVA? Also did you/ the owner get permission : letter of authority from the DNO?

Love the US 110v system. Any issues with that being signed off under the regs ? I wouldn’t have thought they would contain anything about the US wiring.

@s.kxx1956

2 жыл бұрын

Probably just normal cabling, just like running 110v supplies from a big transformer to yellow commando plugs, the outlets may be a departure from bs7671

@JC-jv5xw

2 жыл бұрын

It will be fun if the 110V outlets have been wired as a ring...

@johnburns4017

2 жыл бұрын

@@JC-jv5xw No reason why they cannot be.

@nmccw3245

2 жыл бұрын

@@JC-jv5xw - the could be, but no real reason. US code requires a duplex receptacle ~ every three meters. My bedroom has 14 places to plug something in. 😜🇺🇸👍🏻

@2:31 eeks... the box hangs just at the outside of the house, where the fog and nebula and rain and snow and hail can reach it directly?

With a 3 phase supply like that with 3 100A fuses is the max they can pull still 100A not 300A due to the capacity of the neutral?

Had a free 3 phase upgrade by WPD - if you need the extra power for a low carbon technology (EV chargers and heat pumps) they will do that. Went for a Zappi for several reasons, one being that 3 phase RCDs are extortionate, far more than the £120 extra over the single phase Zappi.

@havoctrousers

2 жыл бұрын

Eh? You can buy a MCG 4 pole type A RCD for £50 from CEF. If you want a type B then yes, you'll pay 5 times that but most charging units have some kind of DC disconnection device so that only type A is required.

@SteveMorgan67

2 жыл бұрын

We're with WPD and need unlooping from next door. They offered to put in 3 phase for free (actually, a requirement for our solar installation). Mind, that free 3 phase has added £900 to the solar PV, £1200-1500 for a new DB and £1200 to replace our single phase Ohme chargepoint with a 22kW Zappi. Free is evidently a relative term!

@franc1985

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Nick, thank you very much for sharing this info. I’ve recently contacted WPD to have them check our fuse (knowing it’s only 60a). I plan to have a Zappi installed along with a heat pump). With the additional plans we have for the property we imagine our load will be over 100a. May I please ask how you went about having the three phase commissioned? Or any tips you have with the process. We are based in Northamptonshire so I hope WPD offer it across their wide and varied area. Thank you

@NickW1111

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Francesca. I'm in Northants too - the WPD guys who did the installation said they were doing loads so hope getting yours is straightforward. I put in a 3 phase DB next to the new intake and ran a submain to the old consumer unit, and over time I'm moving the circuits to the DB and will get rid of the consumer unit.

@NickW1111

2 жыл бұрын

As for getting the process underway, I dealt direct with WPD and put in the ENA permission to connect form myself. At that time (a year ago) it was pushing at an open door. Happy to help if you have any other questions.

Can any 3-phase 22 kW wallbox be connected using only one live wire so it becomes a 7.4 kW wallbox on a single-phase home circuit?

I've got three phase supply coming into the house. Next door is looped off one. I only use one. And my meter is single phase and my consumer unit. I got a charger which is three phase ready (I'd need a new tethered cable) but otherwise if I ever get round to getting a heat pump of hvac etc I could get the DNO to 3 phase my meter ( I think - don't know if next doors lopped supply would be an issue) and then get my 3 phase consumer unit done + charger. Not sure it's worth the bother currently as my kona only accepts 11kw 3 phase. Not sure there's an aftermarket for upgrading that to 22 to be honest.

great video as usual, not sure if anyone has picked up the fact that car can only charge at 11 kw 3 phase as do tesla, very few take 22 k . lots of cars only take 7.4kw. iv'e talked to people pluged in to 22 kw 3 phase at up to 45p per kw when they can only take 7kw with free to use points close by !

@giddyupgazboy1

2 жыл бұрын

Going 3 phase is a bad idea people don't realise

2 жыл бұрын

The Taycan has a 22KW onboard charger option.

The amount of money it must have cost to install that 110V system is surely more than it would have been to replace the relatively few appliances that don’t accept universal voltage inputs.

@steverobinson8170

2 жыл бұрын

Depends its a big property probably used by American Airforce personal , if they rotate every 6 months back to the US they wont want to be buying £5K worth of household appliances , costs them nothing to bring kit from home. I worked in A building in London occupied by the US every piece of kit was American all the snack and beverage machines only took US currency as did the canteen . Great place to work though

@alerighi

2 жыл бұрын

@@steverobinson8170 I don't think that is that much equipment. Pretty much any electronic device (computers, TV, chargers, etc) these days has a switching power supply and thus can work full range 230V-110V. Then there are appliances (such as air dryers) that are available with a voltage selector switch. The other appliances are big appliances such as fridge, washing machine, etc that are cheaper to buy new than ship from the US to the UK. If you have some kind of special equipment that only works with 110V (that is probably something obsolete) you can always have a portable transformer, having a whole house converter seems overkill to me.

@steverobinson8170

2 жыл бұрын

@@alerighi If it did cater for American personnel then shipping costs are not an issue just load it onto one of thier regular transporters flying around .

@richardalderton1047

2 жыл бұрын

I saw a video a few weeks ago from a KZreadr who shipped his (very ordinary) family cars over when he moved form US > UK. Then was surprised when he realised what a massive and expensive PITA it was to run a US-spec LHD car in the UK. The mind boggles at what some people will do to bring a taste of home with them!

@dopiaza2006

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardalderton1047 But did he tell you they get petrol at USA prices? If I could get that price I'd be driving a V8 everywhere too!

Yea, in North America we almost never connect 3 phase to a house. As some of the other commenters have said we have split phase 240V. .. That is it is split by a transformer at the street into two 120V legs, and if 240V is required (for larger appliances) then both legs are tapped in a two pole breaker. It's common for most houses to have at a minimum, 100A @240V, and usually it's 200A. Larger houses will have 400A, and it's not even unusual to have 800A coming into very larges houses. In the end it's just a different approach, although there are upsides and downsides to both. Oh, and side note, we absolutely do have ground fault protection, it's just either done with the first device on a circuit (this is usually for receptacles, required in wet areas such as bathrooms, kitchens, etc., although not uncommon for all receptacles now) or through a circuit breaker that includes the ground fault circuitry in it. I do think NA is a bit further ahead in arc fault protection, though. It's been required in sleeping spaces for years, but it's now becoming required anywhere there are receptacles, etc.

Monday morning and a bit of Cory what else do you need to start then week :) Oppps did i just broadcast that out loud lol

We've just had 3phase installed into our garage to charge the car ... (was only £150 difference between that and a single phase to install) Total install cost £2,400 .. Garage was seperate to the house and had no electric so only way was new DNO install.

@stevie1403

2 жыл бұрын

If your house only has single phase then where did you get the 3 phase supply from? Did it already have 3 phase but you were only using a single phase? I know the LA charge more than 150 quid to add 3 phase as it requires running new cables,digging up the road to the nearest 3 phase supply.

@tamtdc

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevie1403 there was no electric, it was a dno dig from their main cable. £2,250 for single phase or £2,400 for a 3phase install Ie. Cost of cable difference.. Only. Same dig, same route. Etc.

2:39 So you can't request larger single phase input power? We have 400A 240V service entrance ability here, with normal 200A 240V pretty common around where I live in the south.

@billccn

2 жыл бұрын

Will be rather expensive to create a charger that takes 91A (22kW/240V) through a single phase though. Remember the "charger" on the wall is really just a smart switch, the car itself does all the AC/DC conversion. If most cars won't take it, then there will be no market for such chargers.

@HenryLoenwind

2 жыл бұрын

@@billccn Strike that "most". It just isn't possible to get more than 32A of a single phase to a car with a Type2 connector. There's only N/L1/L2/L3 (plus PE and 2 data lines) in the plug and each of those contact maxes out at 32A. Putting L2 and L3 on the same phase as L1 would overload N---the only reason there's not N1/N2/N3 needed is because of the phase-shift of the phases. In theory you could do L-L1/N-N/L-L2/N-L3, but that would need some very, very good communication between car and wall box to make sure neither switches to that configuration if there's anything else connected. (Not impossible, Tesla does exactly that for DC charging in pre-CCS2 models...)

Let’s keep the videos just the boys Jordan park up in the office from now on.

Why do you need rcd protection when you're using SWA Cabel?? 🇦🇺🇦🇺

What was the reason for the 110v bits in this place ? Curious to know !

@havoctrousers

2 жыл бұрын

and is it 60Hz like in the US? It looks like a UK 2 gang plate with US sockets in it, who makes such a thing and why? We need answers!

@nusermane1076

2 жыл бұрын

😳 have they been in British Columbia? 😁

@jayja45

2 жыл бұрын

@@havoctrousers MK makes them, probably most popular in hotel installations.

@imark7777777

2 жыл бұрын

The UK uses a step down transformer for outdoor power equipment stepping down to split phase 120V. So it’s either for outdoor equipment or somebody who brought a lot of equipment from the US. Could also be in a US military type area. I’m assuming the giant transformer since it looks more than just a transformer is doing frequency shifting as well as voltage dropping because it look fancy. Did not know that there was a whole line of US sockets in the UK style complete with permanent installed wiring that is crazy got to know more.

@michaelholliday100

2 жыл бұрын

@@imark7777777 The US equipment would be 60 Cycles while Great Britain is 50 Cycles. You can split the power, but you cannot change the hertz of the power. You will destroy appliances with motors especially compressors. This is because, when you run an appliance like a fridge compressor motor on a slower cycle than what it has been designed for (60 Hz frequency vs 50Hz), it will cause the electric motor turn slower. This inevitably results in an increased strain on the motor windings, causing the compressor to burn out.

I'm installing loads of 3 phase meters for octopus energy at the moment in domestic dwellings.aldo I'm working on new build sites that are fitting 3 phase as standard or instal a split load.its surprising how many jobs I'm getting where dno are upgrading to 3 phase.they are reluctant for obvious reason to run ev chargers ,solar and heat pumps on 100 amp single phase.

@johnalvey5332

2 жыл бұрын

Are you working for a DNO or as an electrician? I have the three 100a fuses but I don’t have the meter tails so would need a new meter. I wasn’t sure if “normal” sparks are allowed to work upstream of the meter.

@johnburns4017

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnalvey5332 You would need a three phase meter. The DNO supplies that and the tails from the three fuses to the meter. You supply the three phase Consumer Unit.

Is that a Hilti multi tool at 24:04?

That 110v transformer looks like the type that converts not only the voltage but the frequency as well.

Any reason too use single phase? In Sweden all houses have three phase. We use 16A or 25A and in rare circumstances 32A...we have all installed with solar and batteries and EV with 16A.

The black paint is probably a rubberised product to prevent ingress of water on the edge of the drive. You low level hole for armoured has just ruined that you should have come up the wall then drill through.

That job looked like a risk assessment nightmare, confined work area within the garage, slip, trips and falls all over the floor and a skip. Were the cut out fuse seals missing on arrival?

Top tip, Hilti will repair almost any tool to as new functionality for a quite modest sum!

What RCD was used in this video, I couldn't quite see. I'm guessing Schneider 40A 30ma 3 pole. Anyone?

3 x 100 A is massive. In Finland houses typically are 3 x 35 A or 3 x 25 A, sometimes 3 x 63 A.

@joepostle3561

2 жыл бұрын

In the UK it doesn’t always correlate that just because the labels state the rating of the service head that the actual fuses fitted match that given rating, it can often be downrated depending to what is practically required. It wouldn’t surprise me if this service head could have 80a fuses installed or even 60a depending on the size of the installation when the installation survey was carried out.

Get a deburring tool for those holes. The pen style one

American low Voltage electrics are horrendously complicated. the nominal Voltage for most portable appliances these days is 120 V, it used to be 110V but was raised many years ago. In a domestic installation there is normally a small pole mounted single phase transformer feeding either one, or just a few, houses. The secondary is wound for 240 V, but is centre tapped to ground, and a neutral wire is also connected to this point. Most loads are connected between one of the 'hot' wires and neutral at 120 V, but certain large loads, such as cookers and clothes dryers, can be connected across the two hots at 240 V. Such large appliances may be 240 V only or they may require a neutral wire for small loads such as timers or lamps. the insulation colours are green for ground, white for neutral and black for hot. Where both hots are present in a cable the second one is red. Normally half of the 120 V outlets would be connected to each side of the transformer winding. Three phase is almost unknown in single family homes, and is not always provided in small industrial premises; the hotel where I stayed when over there had a 240 V to three phase converter in the lift machine room. Where three phase is provided there are several systems. One which is normally found in older installations is 240 V delta whth one of the secondary windings centre tapped to provide 120 V for small single phase loads. This means that two of the hot wires will be at 120 V from ground but the third will be at 208 V. This is usually known as the high leg, and is identified at the distribution board by wrapping the wire with orange tape. More often seen today is a 208/120 V star, they call it wye, connected system, basically a half-Voltage, 60 Hz, version of what we have in Europe. Higher Voltages are available, 480/277 V being common in larger industrial installations. 480B three phase motors and 277 V discharfe lighting ballasts are widely used. 600/347 V can also be found, but I believe is more common in Canada than in the US. The standards for the plugs and receptacles used over there are defined by NEMA and there are dozens of them. They come in current ratings of 15, 20, 30, 50 and, in a few configurations, 60 A, though I've never seen a 60 A one. They are known by configuration numbers, and the Voltage ratings are slightly higher than the nominal supply Vvoltage in most cases, e.g. 130 V and 250 V, though 277 V is not raised to a higher value. A 125 V 15 A two pin plug would be known as a NEMA 1-15P while a three pin grounded one would be known as a NEMA 5-15P and a 20 A recepticle as a NEMA 5-20R. 250 V would be configuration type 6, 277 V would be type 7 etc. These are the only ones I can remember off-hand, but there are many others. Nobody seems to be able to agree as to which way up receptacles should be mounted, with the ground connection up or down. Some claim that down is the reccomended way, others that up is safer. I mounted ground down then the left blade is the neutral on 125 V and 277 V types. On 250 V both main blades are Hot, but when the same connector is used on 208 V left is neutral. in 15 A types 125 V blades are vertical, 250 V ones are horizontal and 277 V are angled. For 20 A types the left blade is rotated by 90 degrees and 20 A receptacles have one 'T' shaped slot in the US so they can also take 15 A plugs. 277 V 20 A plugs, NEMA 7-20, have larger pins than the 15 A version. I am pretty sure that some of the configuration types defined in the standards have never actually been made. Some grounded plugs have a round ground pin, and othersca 'U' shaped one formed from sheet metal' receptacles generally have a 'U' shaped ground hole to accept either. 30 A and 50A plugs are larger than the 15 and 20 A ones but the same size as each other. The 30 A ones have a 'L' shaped neutral pin and the 50 A type a flat one. Some plugs are supplied with two interchangeable pins so they can be used as either. These are known as straight blade types. There is also a twist lock range with curved blades set on a circle, and in some cases a circular pin in the centre so that the plug can be rotated slightly to lock it in place. Of course, these are nothing like the straight blade types and there seems to be no logical pattern to the shapes of the blades.

How can you avoid the 3 phase upgrade in the future? eBoilers to replace old type of gas combi boilers require 3phase supply and I cannot see any other alternative. Gas Combi Boilers are the most common heaters in the uk and no way you can put heat pumps every where.

@johnburns4017

2 жыл бұрын

The death of gas in the UK is premature. About 20% of natural gas can be added hydrogen. Block of apartments are difficult, or near impossible, to have heat pumps fitted.

Now wondering why someone would need American sockets or power outlets as they call them. Especially in every room. If u live in the uk u probably will have uk socket appliances if you move over yeah but wouldn’t it be cheeper to by some converters for the few American socket things you would bring with you

Are CT clamps required?

Should you not feed the rcd from the bottom!?

Hilti does not have a life time warranty, they advertise a 20 year warranty. But try get support for a Hilti after 5 years. I sent in some of my Hilti products for a "service" ... there was nothing wrong with the machine, I was told they no longer support the machine :( That clutch is issue seems to be a common issue. I sent in my TE7A for a service, it now leaks oil, it was returned at "no charge", but it is back from their 3 rd attempt to repair it (it was in working order when sent in for the service) and now I am experiencing the same clutch issue with the machine, you have to let go the trigger pull the machine back and then try again, sometimes it will operate but in most cases it just makes that terrible sound.

@ianstanley5157

2 жыл бұрын

By the way I have Hilti products ranging from 5 years old to my TE 55 which is more than 20 years old (still working), I no longer buy Hilti product after my terrible experience with Hilti service SA. Basically been told my company is too small for them to worry about my complaints, they dont return calls nor have a solution to the TE7A issue :( Yet my business which is 31 years and going strong) has supported Hilti Sa longer than any employee at Hilti Sa has worked at the company. I expected to get some money back for the Hilti products I have advertised for sale, not even one enquiry, it seems I am going to have to drop the price and basically dump it. :(

Why not put junction box above the cable duct and go with cable where the ceiling meets the wall and outside for outside outlet much better installation

1 Phase 100amp is already a lot more than the 1phase 35 amp or 3phase 25amp in the Netherlands. Wondering why the big difference. Maybe almost all the houses are gas heated and in the UK electric?

@rossthompson1635

2 жыл бұрын

Probably most UK houses use gas but still quite a lot, especially flats, have electric storage heating and electric water heating. Also electric showers are quite popular (although a bit rubbish for pressure) and they are in the 8 to 10kW range.