I recently installed one recently on my house using an acrylic kit I found on Etsy. It came out looking good. Thanks for the detailed video, it's very easy to follow.

Great video, I specifically like how you install the off set. Made the whole installation look very easy.

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

Have you done yours?

@leonelsway

Жыл бұрын

@@abrelectric I have not. I am going to replace the main breaker panel. I need a weekend off that my wife and kids can go somewhere for the day. Probably in about 3 weeks. That the same time I will install the surge protector, generator back feed lines, box and energy monitor. A weekend seems long, but I want to replace the breaker box and install arc fault and gfci breaker on day one. On day two run 1 inch pvc, box and wiring for the generator, surge protector and energy monitor.

@leonelsway

Жыл бұрын

@@abrelectric I did my ac condenser last week. I installed Rectorseal RSH-50DB Surge Protector, to that I added 60 amp fuses and is back at the panel with 45 amp breaker. I may also add one at the air handler, I'm not sure if it's needed since it will have the fs140 at the main panel. What do you think? I lost a control board after a surge last year. Let me tell Trane is slow to ship parts and expensive, took an entire week.

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

@@leonelsway You should be covered, but it can't hurt! I say you might as well, and complete the process you've started.

Superb! Thank you... best wishes, health, joy and wellbeing...

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate that!

Thanks for the info. I've been wanting to install one on my house and didn't know there was a flush kit. The flush plate looks like a potato chip it bows out in the center. I see that as a manufacturer defect? Maybe some washers when mounting the plate to the surge device or flex the plate to make it flat. Also, when installing a surge suppression device, its breaker should be closest to the main lugs. Keep up the good work!

Just had FS-140 installed in my St Augustine Beach condo Master Breaker panel.

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

Florida? Land of unkind weather :)

@jstoney6471

Жыл бұрын

@@abrelectric 4 floors up in 6 story Concrete condo..no worries here!

Your work is good. It's the manufacturer that dropped the ball on this one. That flush plate looks awful --like it was quickly improvised and homemade. It doesn't even stick thru the square hole on the plate properly because they were too lazy to size the hole and round the corners. And given the jaw-dropping price of $98 currently on Amazon, I'll be making my own. The benefits of having a mill and some aluminum plate.

Great videos! However, I would like a little more info on the breaker specifications (other than 20A), and a bit on how it works! Thanks!

Nice video. I'm doing my second customer install now. Only issue is that wire leads must be as SHORT as possible for best performance. (I know your video was primarily to demonstrate installation, but you should suggest minimizing lead lengths, IMHO). -Tom, EE and electrician

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Most people focus on location in the panel vs lead length.

@anonimous596

Жыл бұрын

mention the twist thing to! and black diamond plate!!!

Could I install this in my garage sub panel instead of my main to protect the house??

Just watched your flush Mount install of the Siemens FS140 SPD. Plan on installing a FS140 at my house at the main panel. What type off off set do you recommend for the flush Mount install?

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

I use a 3/4" offset nipple. You can also use to 3/4" carflex connectors with a 4"-6" piece of flexible carflex conduit for a more flexible approach.

Hi, James. Really helpful video. I wanted to ask, does installing the SPD in a subpanel protect only that subpanel, or the whole house? Does being in a subpanel rather than in the main panel affect its performance?

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

I would typically install the search protector in the Main Panel. Only for demonstration purposes, did I install this in my subpanel in the garage

@WorldwideBeagle

Жыл бұрын

James is spot on using the FS140 in the Main load center. Siemens does recommend smaller SPDs in sub panels, like the Siemens Boltshield, which are easy to install and meet the 2020 code. The Boltshield SPDs in the sub pan handles surges generated from things like motor circuit surges originating from branch circuits in that panel. An SPD in the Main center is not designed to handle surges generated in downstream sub panels. Particularly if you have sensitive electronics on branch circuits originating in the sub panel.

HI, I love you videos, question ,I installed my Siemens FS140 surge protector inside my garage electrical panel. Just like this video Should I have installed it outside? I would appreciate you feedback. Thanks

@abrelectric

11 ай бұрын

You want to install it as close as possible to your main breaker/service entrance. I installed one at my main panel and one at my subpanel in my garage

I was going to let you practice on mine!!! 🤣 looks like a bit of a PIA, I have a recessed panel also and only realistic (easy) access is from the bottom with all the feeds coming from the top but Apparently I am just outside your service area....... Anyway I purchased the eaton one but Im sending it back and ordering this one, the key difference for me is the leads on the eaton are 14 inches and looks like 14 ga??? wire (wont really clamp into my 50 amp breaker) and of course, we are not supposed to extend them so they wont reach my N. / G. bar either unless I come in from the side through the 2x4 so with the longer leads and bigger recessed panel the FS seems like a better choice (-- hey how about BLACK diamond plate????? that would be awesome!. anyway, just mentioning it incase anyone else has the same situation mounting inside the load center would work but I want to see the LEDs. The Eaton recessed mounting panel is about $30 but it is BARELY larger than the unit due to the mounting holes on the back -- there is next to NO room for error on the drywall cut out with the eaton recessed panel, another issue is the mounting conduit fitting on the Eaton, if you have a flush mounted panel box you are good to go but if you need to move it to recess mount nothing really fits on to it and anything you add makes the already ridiculously short wires that much shorter.... again just posting on here in case anyone else is in the same place as me --- looking for good surge protector (which the Eaton apparently is) but needs a recessed mount, I hope it helps someone and -- they need black diamond plate!!!!! how about 2 sided one black and the silver???? Siemens??? hello????? anyway hanks for the great videos - funny and learned a lot.

Great question about using diamond plate. You can. The plate does not need to be listed. The Siemens SPD enclosure is rated IP4x, the highest electrical box rating there is. Bomb proof. So the flush plate adds no protection function as opposed to an outlet cover plate. Someone on the web makes them out of thick PVC at a fraction of the price of the Siemens $90 alu plate

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

Even out of aluminum, laser cut, the cost is less than a 1/4

@Zippy1415

Жыл бұрын

@@abrelectric What are the dimensions of the flush mount plate? Also, what are the dimensions of the hole in the plate (the window for the FS140? Great videos describing the FS140 and installation - thanks!

It looks like the flush mount kit, which is what i need, is not available anywhere. That said, it looks easy enough to make my own. Is there any reason it needs to be metal? Was thinking plywood would work just as well. Thoughts?

@abrelectric

2 ай бұрын

I made several out of aluminum plate. To answer your question, should not be a problem assuming all of your electrical wiring is in conduit

I Just noticed that it sits pretty close to the panel when installed with the offset, is it ok if the breaker panel front sits on top of that metal cover as long as it is flush or does it have to be below where the panel cover hits????? --------Nevermind..... I did it just like you showed and it sits about 1/2 inch below the door, I leveled it to the panel as well mine is also crooked -thanks for the advise on cutting slow at the top that drywall is pretty weak nice thing about that crazy heavy duty mounting plate it braces the drywall up very well. Im glad I went with this one over the eaton, esp. for a recessed instal it is expensive but seems much better built the wire is 10 ga copper not the thin kind eaton uses....... I flipped the breaker and "badda bing" - two green lights! thanks again for your reviews and your tutorial it was dead on perfect advice. AND bonus question: the red insert in the package talks about making sure your ground is correct in bold capital letters........and good does - I do have a metal pole with ground wires connected to it driven into the ground right outside below the service entrance so Im assuming that is what they mean

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

Your panel deadfront can cover tge FS140 flush plate, as long as it doesn't cover your green indicator lights.

@anonimous596

Жыл бұрын

@@abrelectric thanks! didn't know if there was a code issue or not but it turns out it sits about 1/2 below so looks good fits good and 2 green lights!

The flush mount kit it too expensive (almost half the cost of the surge protector). What about cutting an opening for the FirstSurge in a 10" x 6", 1/2" deep trim board, mounting the trim board on the wall next to the panel and installing the FirstSurge flush with the face of the trim board. Will this put the FirstSurge's nipple far enough behind the wall?

@abrelectric

7 ай бұрын

I don't know - you may have to use 3/4" flexible carlon to make that work. I have made these faceplate out of plate aluminum with mounting hardware, and they work well

Very good video. Good detail and excellent explanation for the installation. I am looking to install one of these into my main 200amp box in my house. There are other breakers in it including a 100amp for a subpanel and 50amp for A/C. I see that you put in the 20amp double pole breaker at the bottom of the circuit panel for the surge protector. I presume that is effective for the entire main panel? I was given the impression that it was desirable to place the 20amp surge protector circuit closest to the source of power coming in, which would be the top circuit slots. Does it matter with the Siemens device or any surge suppression device for that matter? I appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

Kevin, the FS140 instructions do not specify where in the panel, but simply as close as possible to the supply breaker. There are lots of opinions on this. My take is to follow the manufacturer's instruction first.

@kevin7151

Жыл бұрын

@@abrelectric Thank you for your quick response. I actually reached out to Siemens after I sent you my note and spoke to their technical people. They mentioned that the FS140 breaker can be placed anywhere in the panel, but you should place the FS140 as close to that breaker as possible and keep the run as straight as you can. I very much appreciate you getting back to me. Thank you and have a great weekend.

@banjotramp1

Жыл бұрын

I just read a bit on why the wires should be as short as possible. Longer wire = > resistance. From ohm's law, V=IR. So if R= 1ohm & surge current = 1000A, Voltage on the wire would be 1000V. Or 10kV if the surge was that big. The shorter the wire, the less R. I am installing one and I have to choose between having the breaker near the cutoff with longer leads or short leads but the breaker away from the cutoff. I'm going to go with the short wire.

@kevin7151

Жыл бұрын

@@banjotramp1 Thank you for your feedback. I actually did what you put forward, where I placed the breaker at the bottom of the panel but used very short wires to connect it. This being said, the ground and neutral are a bit longer given where I need to connect them in the panel

@banjotramp1

Жыл бұрын

@@kevin7151 Thanks... Another case of where doing one thing right means doing the other wrong : ) Confusing for a non professional like me. They ship the unit with long leads, but that would make it too easy to have long connections. The instructions just say keep short, but there is no definition of what short means.

Good vid, Thx. Why would you put this inside vs out at the main? I plan on putting this model on the main after replacing a blown ac board in my outside AC a few weeks ago caused by several brownouts in Texas. I also had several items inside the house go out as well, like a smart fan and microwave start acting funny all about the same time. Any further advice?

@abrelectric

10 ай бұрын

I chose the location because it allowed me to illustrate a flush installation of the spd. Other advice - add layers. You can add a type 1 spd at each of the AC disconnects, pool equipment, etcetera.

@chrischassey4849

10 ай бұрын

@@abrelectric The AC ppl put one on the AC disconnect but suggested a whole house one as well, so I am going that route. Besides the FS140, any other one I should consider. I hate to just get whatever the electrician pushes on me.

@abrelectric

10 ай бұрын

@@chrischassey4849 Eaton Ultra is a solid unit.

Can the hot wires from this surge protector be placed into a 2 pole 20 amp breaker that is already being used. in other words combine them.

@abrelectric

6 ай бұрын

You CAN do it, but the instructions don't say you can. They also don't say a dedicated breaker. I would use a dedicated breaker as close to the main feeders as possible.

@TheWilferch

4 ай бұрын

@@abrelectric ....here's a question.....why mount the 20A breakers "As close" to the main feeds as possible? Here's the 2 sided argument....on the one hand....if you have a surge, the surge would already pass the main feeder and now enters the entire CB array, which is all the circuits "in-parallel".....right? So if the protector breaker is closer...or further away to the main.... it should make no ( ie "little") difference. On the other hand, if this is so critical....why isn't a surge protector somehow spliced-into the circuit in some way AHEAD of the entire CB array...instead of somewhere WITHIN the CB array....whether closer or further away from the main feeders now becomes a lesser question to solve, in this argument basis.

Perhaps I should be more specific: You say a "fat" 20A 220 breaker. Seimans only states 20A. By fat I presume you mean 2". I only have one 1" space available, and am wondering if I am OK with a thin 1: 220 v 20A 2 pole breaker? Thanks!

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

For the FS140, you need a 240 volt breaker. You'll need to install a few tandems to create the 2d space you need. Do you have a GE panel?

hey, weird question, I received my FS140 today and when I tilt it it sounds like something loose rolling around in there a loose piece of something is that normal???? thought Id ask before I lose another few days sending it back and waiting for a new one

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

Shouldn't be anything loose inside of the device.

@anonimous596

Жыл бұрын

@@abrelectric thank you, --- thats what I thought -- sounded like a screw or piece of something rolling around inside when you moved it around the box was undamaged so who knows???? anyway, thanks I already sent it back for exchange on amazon with any luck new one wont be the same. Other wise the FS looks like a very solid well built item with nice heavy gauge wires much better looking / solid feeling than the Eaton I sent back I need a recessed instal and Eaton just wouldn't have worked on my panel and their wires are way to short it needs to be right on the panel to fit - I measured mine when I was looking to see if it would work the wires were all about 14 inches long maybe 14 ga wire as near as I could tell for anyone who's wondering about the Eaton ultra vs the FS140 .. . ---- Quick update: the replacement arrived today (amazon replaced it right away) and like you said, I hear nothing loose or rattling around in there like the first one. I just got back from lowes for the 3/4 offset piece, a dual 20amp breaker and some anchors so going to re-watch your video again a few times and get to it on my next day off - mothers day to day so not a good day to turn the power off! - thanks again

@anonimous596

Жыл бұрын

@@abrelectric new one showed up today -- no rattles or loose stuff in it like the other one glad I sent the first one back.

I have three FS140's installed in my home. One on the exterior panel and the other two on two interior sub panels. The two on the sub panels are flush mounted as was done in this video. Three SPD's are overkill? Maybe. But my neighbor is replacing 14 expensive electrical devices in his home because the electrician who wired his custom home didn't install the SPD correctly. Mini electrical surges fried his appliances. Multiple SPD's are less expensive.

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Cost of FS140s vs replacement of electronics...

@coreyfranco7060

11 ай бұрын

Wouldn't one of these protect all branch circuits and feeders?

@coreyfranco7060

11 ай бұрын

How could the electrician not install it correctly? The installation is quite simple...

@edmaryellenkmiec9171

11 ай бұрын

Rather than properly placing the SPD at the top left slot of the panel, he placed it at the bottom right slot. So the electrical surges went through every circuit before hitting the SPD.

@coreyfranco7060

11 ай бұрын

@@edmaryellenkmiec9171 not sure its that simple

I don't understand why you are putting a surge suppressor on a sub panel instead of the main panel? Wouldn't a surge suppressor on the main panel also protect loads on the sub panel?

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

For demonstration purposes only for the flush mount kit. It was originally installed on my exterior main panel, earlier video

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

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Is it me or has the definition of flush changed? There is a bow in the middle of that plate. 3 D print something cheaper and flat.

@abrelectric

9 ай бұрын

It's you. The display drywall I installed under the subpanel had a belly in it. My anchors were also a bit too close o each other.

Why didn't you cut the wires to the neutral and ground bars shorter since you didn't need them that long? I'm by no means a professional but even I know you're supposed to have the wires as short as possible for greater effectiveness.

@YourBoyEden

Ай бұрын

because he was just showing you how to install it. As far as which wire should go go to which busbar and etc...clearly the sheetrock mounted is for demonstration as you can see. You can't ask the guy to also paint that panel to your favorite color now. lol

Seimens or Siemens?

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Siemens for sure.

This installation just went against every thing I’ve learned, closest point to entry wire, straight wires into 20amp breaker. Don’t get it!

Why wouldn't you go direct into the panel ? . I would mount it to the wall , also you can take a steel 1900 box mount that the wall and nippel back to the panel , then splice the surge in the 1900 box .your way looks bad .would not hire you .stay in tree Texas. You probably dont know any better .

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate you sharing your opinion

@SunshineWindowCleaningPlano

Жыл бұрын

This doesn't look bad at all. It's a demo for one thing to explain how to flush mount it to the wall with the panel being flush mount to the wall. I know I've seen other videos where he mounts it differently. How about let's see YOUR video and show the whole world how it's done properly.

@eddieo9424

Жыл бұрын

Thankyou for your replies. Your correct . It's a demo just looking at that it's not my choice of surge. They have direct mount into the panel like a 2 pole breaker. I would not ruff that into the wall surface mount under or to the side of panel. Would be just fine I.iam sure hes a good electrician . I do not have a video for the whole world iam a 134 license Electrician. Do you agree with surface mount with a whip into the panel ??

@abrelectric

Жыл бұрын

@@eddieo9424 that could absolutely work. For whatever your preferred surge protector is, make sure your install follows the manufacturer's instructions. Several SPDs ask you to not splice, and to minimize bends.

@anonimous596

Жыл бұрын

did mine like the video showed and it looks great fits great and keeps the wire runs short like the instructions specify