5mm armor: “what is this designed to stop?” Light German insults.

@ph5832

Ай бұрын

No armor; best armor

@TOFMDrone

Ай бұрын

a 10mm bratwurst

@ivanmonahhov2314

Ай бұрын

Fragments and rifle rounds from range

@chuck2998

Ай бұрын

Incoming fire (indirect only) Not really armor, more like amr

@kmoecub

Ай бұрын

The best armor is not being seen.

That Belgian guy really knows his stuff, and speaks English well. That museum is lucky to have him.

@morl1

Ай бұрын

8:00 lmao sure dude

@klondike69none85

Ай бұрын

@@morl1 you can't even speak one language, maybe you should sit this one out sport

@mootpointjones8488

Ай бұрын

In my experience, whether you're in Wallonia or Vlaanderen many, many will speak excellent English.

@Your3worstn1ghtmar3

28 күн бұрын

His English is rather average to our standard. Of course Dutch and French are his main languages, which makes his English more than decent enough.

@klondike69none85

27 күн бұрын

@@Your3worstn1ghtmar3 Flemish not Dutch

A weapon to surpass Bob Semple.....

@dreenarmookington2240

Ай бұрын

Duel of the Fates

@PotatoeJoe69

Ай бұрын

Blasphemy in the church of Semple! Shun the blasphemer!

@M4D0GG0

Ай бұрын

A weapon to surpass metal gear

@jon9021

Ай бұрын

@@PotatoeJoe69hahahaha!

@IntrospectorGeneral

Ай бұрын

In fairness to Bob, his idea was to use his tank like mobile pillboxes against infantry at the time of an invasion of NZ, in the same way as the British developed a range of wacky airfield defence vehicles against paratroop attack.

Ya know Chieftan, if you were to do a walkaround of that museum. I would not complain....

To be serious, if you're a small country you use what you have, can get, or can make. This buggy fits all three categories.

ducks behind the 5mm front plate :can youstill see me ? Now that´s what I call armour!!

@Djamonja

Ай бұрын

It was way ahead of its time, it already has the anti-drone armor on the top ;)

The Austrians initially wanted to sell it for 3Mio Belgian Franks but after a press campaign by veterans in Belgium, an agreement was made with Austria and the vehicle was donated. It was airlifted by a Belgian Air Force C130.

@flitsertheo

Ай бұрын

Those nazty Austrians, stealing our vehicle and then claiming money for it.

@robbyhouben7995

Ай бұрын

That's right! Except the vehicle was traded, not donated.

@pczTV

Ай бұрын

What a dick move by Austria. In the end, they settled for a trade…. Which is STILL insult to injury.

That honestly looks like a very well thought-out little TD. Not perfect, but it's clear that a lot of effort went into trying to make the best little ambush predator they could. I sure wouldn't want to stumble across one in 1940!

AFAIK the Belgian BARs were chambered in 7.65×53mm, Mauser's first smokeless rifle cartridge.

@GR46404

Ай бұрын

Yes. It was remarkably similar to the later 7.65x51mm NATO, better known as .308 in the United States. Argentina used 7.65x53mm too, and I think the Turks had rifles in it too, but had to drop it in favor of 8mm Mauser during WWI.

@Zorglub1966

Ай бұрын

@@kilianortmann9979 Sorry i messed up, you're right.

@_ArsNova

Ай бұрын

I own an Argentine Mauser in 7.65x53. It feels basically identical to 7.92 Mauser if I'm being honest.

@BlackHawkBallistic

Ай бұрын

​@@GR46404 you mean 7.62x51mm for NATO

@GR46404

Ай бұрын

@@BlackHawkBallistic Yes I do, BlackHawkBallistic! Thank you for the correction. I think I will leave my post unedited so yours will make sense.

Darn, we'll never know if The Chieftain fits inside a T-13! Oh well, at least we have track tension! LOL

"A tank? But Boss, we only have steel sheets and no way to shape them!"

Your channel is one of the reasons why I stick around KZread. Cheers! 🥂

Something I've always wondered is why more vehicles designed to 'shoot and scoot' didn't have rear facing guns, much better for the 'scoot' bit than forward facing.

@GR46404

Ай бұрын

I can't think of any others besides the Valentine Archer. And maybe the US M6 37mm GMC. Maybe getting a good view to the rear was tough? It would have been a good idea for the US M3 75mm GMC, I think.

@Zorglub1966

Ай бұрын

@@GR46404in 1940 the French built in emergency the Laffly W15 TCC armed with a 47mm m1937 firing rearward.

@diedampfbrasse98

Ай бұрын

the answer why those rearfacing solutions were rare lies in the fact that you need considerable free space behind and on both sides of the usually larger guns of SPGs (for crew, ammo and gun traverse). Most platforms only offered enough free space/only allowed a change of space in the very center and towards the back as the front had complex/heavier armor arrangments, a heavy gearbox setup and a fixed driver positions which would conflict with the guns traverse/operation. Very few existing platforms would have allowed for an easy conversion into a rear facing layout and noone really wanted to pay/wait for a new platform development just to get selfpropelled guns into production. And ofc not long into the war protection also gained importance and platforms stopped being equally protected all around, so for an SPG it wouldnt made much sense to add armor/gunshields to the back when your platform already had its best protection on the front.

@CycahhaCepreebha

Ай бұрын

S-tank famously solved this by having a second, rear-facing driver.

@justforever96

Ай бұрын

Mostly because that's all you can do with it. It's a lot harder to do things like fire and advance, and your heaviest armor is on the rear. And it's it really all that much of an advantage in the real world? Especially when most tracked vehicles can just about turn around in their own length. They definitely talked about it a fair bit and tried it a few times. And then not long after, they stopped producing gun armed assault guns and TD, so no one has any reason to build one now.

Also I love the fact the tank is shorter than both of yall

@TheChieftainsHatch

Ай бұрын

Robby is standing on a box...

@heralds

Ай бұрын

@@TheChieftainsHatch JFC youre a tall mfer you're like 2 of him

For all of you interested in the workings of the carrier, 'Lottie the Tankwhisperer" just now is making a series on restoring two of them. Quite funny girl, but very,very good & detailed explanations.

Oh bugger the T13 is on fire.....

It is a nice museum, I worked in Brussels 2016-18 and visited it often, they have loads to see,. As Nicholas said it's in a really nice building at the top of a substantial park. Well worth a visit.

Fascinating Video and great Vehicle. I visited the Museum as a littel boy and the grand aviation Hall blew me away. Still remember that day well

That museum area is amazing. It’s absolutely beautiful.

Very cool that it’s preserved.

„Oh, was für ein süßer kleiner Panzerwagen.“ „Halt die Klappe, Karl!“

@gromit3315

Ай бұрын

The Germans copied the design of this armoured vehicle to make their own mini tank: the Wiesel 😊

Little scamp of a guncarrier. Thanks for vid. Never heard of this type before.

And the Rory award goes to Chieftain for the most gratuitous use of the Word Belgium.

@johnsowerby7182

Ай бұрын

At least he isn't a stupid Ghent

I know of 2 pictures, of one of these pulling the rare 7,5 / 5,5 cm Pak 41 L/57 which looks absolutly huge next to it.

A tidy little TD for the mid 30’s.❤

Fascinating video. I love these obscure vehicles.

I haven't been in the museum for years, so i have to go there soon!

@annadalassena5460

Ай бұрын

Yes, they will completely revamp it in the next years, so if you just want to see the huge stacks of all sorts of equipement, old fasion musuem style, you should be in a hurry.....

@guidor.4161

Ай бұрын

@@annadalassena5460 Definitely, i hate those new-fangled active-experience type museums with hardly any real stuff in them.

@annadalassena5460

Ай бұрын

The WWII section has already become "Disney Land", the WWI section is still in its old glory though, the WWI artillery collection is perhaps the best in the world with all the captured equipent from the end of WWI in it most still in original paint. A very large collecion going from all sorts of trench mortars and field guns of French, British, German, italian and Austro Hungarian manufacture up to an 1880'ies French 27cm siege gun with all its associated equipment and shells and equipment from German WWI CD very heavy guns (including from 38 cm guns) A great thing, though, is that the impressive 19th century halls, full of dusty old uniforms and flags, which TBH are not that interesting in themselves, will be kept in its original form though, as a sort "Museum about a museum" after public pressure. They also have some premium complete renaissaince armour suits of Charles V and Philip II of Spain. Little known is the fact that outside the museum, high on a stone sockel (at the south side) is the 60 cm 1833 model mortar that was used in the siege of Antwerp during the Belgian Dutch war.... one of the largest SB gun era guns/mortars ever cast. The Second of these "monster mortars" now sits next to the entrance. two almsot forgotten relics....

Would be nice if there was a dedicated video from the Chief on the Wiesel AWC.

Fascinating vide Thank you.

"We can't have the gun going through the driver's compartment going right past his head." Apparently, the US had no such thoughts with the 75mm half track.

@jon-paulfilkins7820

Ай бұрын

Well, in that specific case the muzzle was ahead of the driver, concussion blast might have still been an issue, but an unwelcome instant tan wasn't 😉

@bwilliams463

Ай бұрын

I believe it was an episode of the History Channel's 'Patton 360' that talked about those particular anti-tank half tracks. There was a veteran interviewee who had served as a driver, and he talked about the permanent hearing damage he suffered from sitting under the end of that barrel.

@lifuranph.d.9440

Ай бұрын

@@bwilliams463 `eh...Wot?

@bwilliams463

Ай бұрын

@@lifuranph.d.9440 I typed 'I BELIEVE IT...'

Grief.. the Belgium army with its motorcycle and sidecar fitted with AT rifle.. and now this thing.. no wonder their bicycle infantry had only a few bullets each..

@viandengalacticspaceyards5135

Ай бұрын

Funny thing, the Chasseur Ardennais with their oddball stuff managed to piss off the Germans quite beyond what you would expect of such a scale model force. Note it was in the Ardennes (the Bulge), full of woods and rocky hills with very small & far apart roads and bridges. So small stuff might well have been useful. The local Belgians there don't really glorify it, but find it funny, just as we do.

@01Bouwhuis

Ай бұрын

So did the germans and the dutch...it equals the Italian bazooka scooter.

@egoalter1276

Ай бұрын

I see bo reason why light TDs, and motorcycle mounted motorizes infantry wouldnt be a coste effective solition for maintaining a capable manouver force for a small country with limited domestic heavy industry.

@janwitts2688

Ай бұрын

@egoalter1276 At the start of ww2 some of their bicycle infantry had an issue of less than 20 rifle bullets each..

@Your3worstn1ghtmar3

28 күн бұрын

​@janwitts2688 The Soviets had more artillery than munitions, what's your point?

That's a amazing Museum.

The best Belgium tank of WW2

@miglover5

Ай бұрын

Nope. We had the French acg as well.

I saw a source once that the ROF on the Belgium 47mm was slightly slower than the QF 2-pounder, which was rated for 22 per minute.

@TheChieftainsHatch

Ай бұрын

Likely, but ROF on a towed mount is rarely the same as on a vehicle

@DeeEight

Ай бұрын

@@TheChieftainsHatch is there ROF data anywhere for any of the cramped one man french turrets with their 47mm gun ? Or a two man British turret with a 6 pounder? A relatively open mount with two crew serving the 47mm of the T-13 should be in between.

@justforever96

Ай бұрын

You realize the rated ROF for hand loaded guns has almost nothing to do with reality? They shoot as fast as the guy loading them can get shells into the breech. The depends on who that guy is, how the ammo is stored, who is fetching shells for him, how much space he has. They don't even use an universal formula for figuring out that number, so that basically tells you nothing useful, except maybe a very rough estimate of the sort of ballpark you are able to achieve when all is well laid out. Like to aren't going to get 100rpm, but you can probably do better than 20 unless you really messed up.

Thank you both of you

Looks like a great place to visit :)

A surprisingly well designed and effective weapon from a time when most didn't understand armored warfare.

Been waiting for this for so long!

@jimmylight4866

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

you were on the learning end today guy! great video!

I remember watching a video, several years ago where a Belgian museum official told the story of getting this vehicle back from Vienna.

Great stuff

More obscure stuff coming? 👀 Never heard of this little thing. Another one that'll fit in the barn..... Love that. 😂

great info thanks

That is a potent gun, for 1939, so if the crew where motivated, had trained on the vehicle and sat in a concealed position, I could easily see this becoming a very nasty surprise to meandering into its field of fire. Somebody did a lot with limited resources, I think. That was informative :3

fascinating little vehicle.

Very cool. 5mm armour may not seem of much use to some people but bear in mind it's thicker or at least on par with a lot of modern day frigate and destroyer hull plating and given that the superstructure of the same ships also similarly thin but manufactured from aluminium the armour of this T13 would stop a lot more. Cheers

@smalltime0

Ай бұрын

Modern ships aren't armoured though, the threat to them are torpedos and missiles and their defences reflect that. Tanks, especially at the time, had to rely on their armour in combat

@justforever96

Ай бұрын

​@@smalltime0but they didn't really. Most tanks in this era had very little armor and relies mostly on not getting hit by anything bigger than an MG. And this isn't a tank.

@smalltime0

Ай бұрын

@@justforever96 I'm sorry what are you disagreeing with?

Guns facing backwards on TDs make a lot of sense tbh, means you can take advantage of a lot of positions that would otherwise be judged hard to get out of, and run back to next cover easily rather than having to manoeuveur the thing around while getting shot at.

Finally a tank my toddler can drive

Now that is a thing

6 metre lomg muzzle flash implies a way too short barrel for the given propellant charge

Cool Tank art!!

But does the Chieftan fit inside?

Ah, Belgium. Wonderful country. Friendly people, nice chocolates, easy access to panzer divisions.

Nice to see, as my 'bag' is early war stuff, this is very much my kind of thing. I could imagine if it was "alive" it want to be a Marder when it grew up!

Thank you for yet another wonderful presentation of a very rare vehicle from a sort of "Golden Age" of armored vehicle experimentation and production. Wondering if the tow pintle was used for towing an ammunition trailer.

I hope you will be able to do many more trips in the future, even without extra cew (sorry to hear that), to bring out the weird and wonderful out there. Who needs another video on the Panther if you can savour stuff like this.

With that low ground clearance and big lower plate I can't imagine the cross country performance was that great.

Would love to have you do a video on the T-15 tank

I don't think all the polygons on your tank destroyer have loaded yet.

I remember seeing a very poor picture of one of these in a photobook of my dad's. Always been curious. Really, always wanted a model. No plastic kits have been forthcoming iirc.

Aloha; BRILLIANT! Mahalo

Thanks Nick, it's nice to see something strange and foreign. It proves the ingenuity of man the world over, when necessity calls. there is someone with a good idea. Love you sense of humour too.

Belgium in the spring …. Life is good

27:26 "You don't think about Belgium as being a martial history..." Ian (Forgotten Weapons) *clears throat*

@annadalassena5460

Ай бұрын

Best way to get a view on Belgian martial history, I guess, is to look at the over 100 modern heavily armed fortresses built in the 1855-1914 period. Their designer, Brialmont, is now a household name in fortification circles, the late 19th century equivalent of Vauban.

Now that's what I need. I'd never get a speeding ticket! 🤠

@justforever96

Ай бұрын

Because you would never be speeding. You can also just buy a Prius or old VW Beetle and get the same effect. Can't get pulled over for speeding if you are unable to exceed the speed limit.

The question I had was there any radios/flags and the Doctrine for coordinating the use of these?

00:08 - Chieftain, You do realize that your Tiger video will have a record number of views, right? But, hey, you are a Colonel now, I guess this is strategy! 🤫

its so cute

@michaelpielorz9283

Ай бұрын

that`s on purpose, the calculation was germans will not shoot at puppies !

@rainerbehrendt9330

Ай бұрын

indead

11:50 In case you didn't understand him: Limburgse Grenswielrijders, Border Cyclists Battalion of Limburg.

That looks like the first "Roomba"!

The T1 is the Swedish battle helmet so this high school footlocker on tracks it's just natural progression.

Thank you Robby! Are there any model 3 left somewhere?

@robbyhouben7995

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately not, as their performance was superior to the earlier models, they were all drafted to serve as Beutepanzer by the Germans. You can find several photos of them in that role, maybe some of they still linger around in a southeastern Europe scrapyard or river :)

Every time I hear Belgium I immediately think of Mr. Browning.

9:51 Freudian slip right after going over who Austria was aligned with...

Looks like an excellent museum... I will have to check it out when I am in Brussels next month. One thing I am curious about: why doe the T-13 have the symbol of the USAAS 96th Bomber Squadron (devil with bomb in triangle) painted on it?

@jonathanmoeg1202

Ай бұрын

That's covered in the video.

Unless that is strangely constructed it doesnt look like a 6/12/24v battery, how does the electrical work on that thing? It looks like 18v which would be a odd voltage to base your electrics on

its a literal cube Q_Q and i thought the panzer 1 was the cutest little baby

Okay so the whole crew cabin collapses do it can fire all around, that's cool. So its definitely just an and propelled artillery emplacement.

The steel on my G wagon is thicker and more sloped.

Rearward facing gun makes it easier to shoot and scoot.

Surely a 4th reason would be to allow it to reposition quickly by driving forward, just like the UK Archer?

@justforever96

Ай бұрын

Assuming that was actually one of their states reasons. Which it might not have been.

As mentioned... for early 30s, a surprisingly competent light vehicle with a gun that can punch well above its weight. As a plus, when retreating after firing, the driver has pretty good vision.

47mm gun and a BAR? I'd take it overa PzI anyday!

New premium incoming.

@xxxlonewolf49

Ай бұрын

Tier 1 premium

@Spardin

Ай бұрын

Tbh might be a fun little TD to play 😂

Behold, the Mark I Travel Machine! (Doctor Who Dalek reference)

When will the chieftain actually TALK about his favourite tank the chieftain, let alone get in one. It’s my favourite tank

😉👍

I have a question about the Soviet V2 tank engines that were used from the T-34 to T-90. Why did they upgrade power with supercharger first and then turbochargers? Why not go to turbos earlier? The Germans were working on turbo diesels in the 1940s, and US M48 M60 tanks had turbodiesels by the 1950s. The Soviets seem to have not adopted turbocharged engines until the 80s.

cool museum can go up on roof and get a panoramic view of brussels

So is this Archer's uncle? Or Grandfather?

"They put the fuel tank closest to the enemy " Real Belgium design for you

I wonder if Chieftain would fit in Polish TKS tankette. :)

@cmck472

Ай бұрын

He does. It's been done.

@TheChieftainsHatch

Ай бұрын

One of my more popular videos actually, for some reason.

To be honest I think there is some admin cause for the naming, T for test and 1 for initial batch and the 3 for the year it was designed in… So Test vehicles 1 designed in 1933 and likely to be followed by the rest of the naming for the full name?

👍👍👍

Leopold II gave me a jumpscare and I'm not even from Congo

@BenjaminDamien

Ай бұрын

No reason. British propaganda still carry on with lies about thar poor Leopold.

Does He Fit?

@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing

Ай бұрын

If it fits, it sits

@avnrulz8587

Ай бұрын

We'll never know...

@gordonfraser8020

Ай бұрын

Just started watching, hoping for a "oh bugger, the tank's on fire". 😂

If a crewman stood in the gun ring, wouldn't he get hit by the breech recoiling?

Ooh a Leopold II bust and exhibit! That's a spicy one, one of the most brutal and inhumane rulers in the modern world.

@annadalassena5460

Ай бұрын

They even have the famous tricyle on which he peddled around, happy like a small child, in his royal gardens while musing on how to beat more money out of Congolese.... I am all for keepng such stuff in a museum... it shows in the end what a petty little man he was. That tricicle tells more than any grandiose monument.

Looked underwhelming from the thumbnail, but inside and from the back it's neat.

No radio? Not mentioned and I didn’t see one or an obvious mounting point. OTOH radios weren’t all that common in WWI or early in WWII. I was wondering about command and control. I suppose each crew would have a set of assigned defensive points and fire as needed, then fall back as it became clear that it was time to do so. I just don’t know enough about Belgian military doctrine. Did units operate on their own hook like that? C&C by voice and or flags maybe?

@viandengalacticspaceyards5135

Ай бұрын

That would have been too much luxury. Back then, in the Belgian Army, having motocycle messengers rather than bicycles was quite modern. Also, the Chasseurs were a bit of a special troop, with small units operating fairly independantly, rather than a classic field formation.A bit guerilla-ish.