The concerning thing is that ÖBB have hugely hiked the cost of sleepers to eye watering levels. I did a sleeper from Milan to Wien in October and paid a €90 supplement on my Interrail. I have been looking at things like a sleeper from Wien to or from Amsterdam and the cost of a sleeper is more like €400 or even more in some cases!! That really removes any benefit so I have no idea what they are thinking!!

@bigben5051

4 ай бұрын

100%! I was planning a trip through Europe for next month. A private cabin from Innsbruck to Amsterdam was over C600!!! I changed my plans, now I'm going from Milan to Palermo for less than €80. I would love to use NightJet more, but it's just so unjustifiably expensive!

@simonpilk

4 ай бұрын

@@bigben5051 what on earth were they thinking when they changed matters. It’s a very crazy decision to take. It just removes and benefit at all and means that I and many others just cannot travel by Nightjet in future

@anthonykerslake3856

4 ай бұрын

@@bigben5051😊

@sqrtof81

4 ай бұрын

They fixed it again. Thank god. It's now based on dynamic prices, but they've been tuned down to reasonable levels again. You should be fine (though you probably won't save money using your Interrail on the Nightjet anymore).

@simonpilk

4 ай бұрын

@@sqrtof81 so the better way is to buy a normal ticket? ÖBB will have lost my sleeper train customer, even coming from the UK that means about 6-8 sleeper trips a year and I am sure there are many others like me. A hotel will be much better or probably not taking an ÖBB operated overnight train such as CFR / CD / ZSSK will be better. About up to EUR 144 is ok with me but any more and they can forget it.

The pods are an interesting concept, I hope they can make sleeper travel more affordable - would love to see that kind of thing in the UK, or even through the Channel Tunnel.

@dreimalnein22

4 ай бұрын

ÖBB did raise some prices 300% and no cheap early tickets were available - in the first week of these coaches and the operation of the next european train schedule.

@alexmcwhirter6611

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Sadly the Nightstar stock was sold to the Canadians at a discount. 'Paper' operator Midnight Trains, who wanted to operate Edinburgh-Paris much to the excitement of Scottish rail fans, has now abandoned its plans.

@xr6lad

4 ай бұрын

I think the pods are backpacker level and will result in poor sleep. Rattling closing doors. People putting things on the ladders (I’ve seen it already in other videos). And that partition between your neighbour is flimsy and won’t keep any noise out. The pods themselves are nice but the noise and ‘party’ potential puts me off.

@michaeljohndennis2231

4 ай бұрын

I’d love to see these sleeper trains operating across the North of England on overnight SailRail services between York/Leeds/Doncaster - Manchester Victoria - Holyhead for the ferry to Dublin and the reverse trip from Holyhead - Manchester Victoria - Leeds

@PtrkHrnk

4 ай бұрын

The pod are premium alternative to standard couchettes. It's unlikely that ÖBB or any other operator will see it differently...

Yeah it's nice, but it's also insanely expensive. Just flying the route would be 4 to 5 times cheaper. We really need to move subsidies from flights towards trains.

Nightjet great name - what a train design. Ahhh the freedom of Europe.

Thank you for showing the wheelchair accessible cabin. It's amazing to see

That train looks greats. The pods are not for me - just too confining. But that room was great. Hoping to include that in travel to Europe next year. Thanks

Great Video 👍 this is a great Train

Definitely wanting to check out those pods mate. Great Video!

yaaay it was nice to meet you and show me around youre cabin

Excellent documentary! I really enjoyed it 👍

While the new trains are great... Sad story is that on the majority of routes ÖBB will still use the old rolling stock. AND they just increased prices, so that on most routes taking a flight is much more affordable (and that is neglecting the often very long delays (2-4 hours), which the sleeper trains are often experiencing.

@that1niceguy246

4 ай бұрын

The old rolling stock is not a problem, but the price increase is an affront.😐

@that1niceguy246

4 ай бұрын

@@paseospormadrid1751 Where do flights use cleaner energy? Coal isn't the main power source, we have water, nuclear, wind, solar too. I would have thought trains use less energy for the same amount of people over the same distance usually.

@PtrkHrnk

4 ай бұрын

If the trains will be still full after the price increases, can we really blame ÖBB for that?

@sagichnicht6748

4 ай бұрын

The ÖBB can't do magic. They have ordered 33 new full Nightjet trainsets. I don't know in how far they will replace existing ones. There is a massive shortage of sleeper train sets in Europe as the sector has been disinested for decades. Demand is much higher than supply even now as the ÖBB has expanded its Nightjet network. Regular flights are not much more affordable than a couchette when booking sufficiently in advance. This is double true if you own a Klimaticket which quite some Austrians do, which cuts single ticket prices down by around 50 EUR.

@sagichnicht6748

4 ай бұрын

@@paseospormadrid1751 The rail in Austria uses almost entirely hydropower (from ÖBB owned power plants). Not sure about elsewhere but your claim borders on the absurd. There is hardly anything worse than emissions by planes at high altitude which is why flying once is worse for the climate than driving all across Europe in Sleeper trains in circles.

Thanks to Midland London for compiling a both detailed and objective KZread.

Surprised that Siemens would allow such technical issues on a bran new train Overall it's great step in the right direction. I'm looking forward to my forthcoming trip from Zagreb to Innsbruck on EN More sleeper trains across Europe please :)

Europe is so innovative

@lioneldemun6033

4 ай бұрын

Ah ! The rose - tinted glasses of North Americans and Australians.....

I love Tauruses and I love the livery

It might be that the doors between the coaches don’t open to discourage the walking around which creates noise and might disturb the people trying to sleep. At least they did that in the old night trains

I love your videos i hope i can suggest that if you want to record out the window at night and have control over the light to turn it off, it helps if yiu want to record out the window

19:35 yeah thats really not a good idea, especially as they promised they will cost arround 60€ for a pod one way (looked it up and it was arround 180€ one way!!). Dynamic pricing will result in less people actually using the service i think, especially when the DB ICE is ways cheaper edit: cost of trains shouldnt be demand bases but fixed, and in a somewhat near range to airplanes

Please do a review onboard the RENFE AVE S102 Talgo pato and the Alvia S730 from Madrid to Extremadura. Good video, I am subscribed to your channel. Happy New year

I like sleep trains, a lot. I will not travel on them without ensuite, for me they take the place of hotels. I don´t want to stay in a Youth Hostel and my days of sharing the likes of bathrooms have long gone. Happy to travel and happy to pay, but only with ensuite.

I wish the Caledonia sleeper was this good! Just a shame about the delay....

OBB’s pricing model sounds like the Caledonian Sleeper highland services: used by wealthy tourists and train aficionados rather than as a form of transport.

@stephanweinberger

4 ай бұрын

As long as they still manage to sell every seat & berth, why would they not do that?

@crytocc

4 ай бұрын

@@stephanweinberger Because transport shouldn't revolve around profit?

@stephanweinberger

4 ай бұрын

@@crytocc That's not something ÖBB can change. They have to pay for their employees, for the trains, the tracks and the energy. If running international night trains should be considered "basic infrastructure" then there needs to be a consensus in society (in this case in multiple countries) that it should be subsidized.

@xr6lad

4 ай бұрын

@@stephanweinbergerbecause medium term they won’t. I do not see tourists even paying those prices when you can stay overnight in some wonderful cities for half the price.

@stephanweinberger

4 ай бұрын

@@xr6lad again: these a re flexible prices which depend on the demand, just like with airlines. If the train isn't full the prices are lower; the prices being so high indicates that the trains _are_ full.

Maybe OBB should take over the Cal Sleeper twixt Scotland and England and get rid of the idea of the Ritz on wheels introduced by SERCO's head oligarch Lord Soames when SERCO PLC ran it and have a practical service that people can actually afford to use?

the one time you love a delay...when it pays for your trip lol

How did you like the ‘fore and aft’ alignment for the bed?

@2.11 Windows XP aspired landscapes.

Wish me had this in America, Our Trains are lacking in so many ways.

3:25 glitch in the matrix 😂

I which one day to try it.🍒🍒🍒

I do think that OBB should let couchette travelers know about the extra luggage options, besides the lockers, that you’ve shown. Without a sign, I don’t think that people will know that (a) there’s a storage compartment beneath the lower beds and (b) secured luggage racks near the seated car, to use.

I like how the cab car has a vectron snout despite stille being hauled by a taurus.

@hanaex4478

4 ай бұрын

Bc the people are stupid😅 they want to use the Vectron for it, but cant bc the Loc is not allowed for passenger trains yet. Its kind of complicated. I hat the idea bc I'm team taurus

@lordsleepyhead

4 ай бұрын

@@hanaex4478 is this specific for Austria? Because vectrons are already in use on passenger services in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany.

@hanaex4478

4 ай бұрын

@lordsleepyhead nevermind, sry, that was misinformation from me, the vectron can be used since mid 2020 for passenger trains. But the drivers cab of the control car (with the vectron design) doesnt have a permit yet. So the only way forward is with a locomotive put in front

It basically a premier inn room on rails. minus those, pods.....

@darksars3622

2 ай бұрын

eh

@darksars3622

2 ай бұрын

excepted the doors don't work

The BR101 has a top speed of 220km/h as far as I know. So maybe there was an other reason for only doing 200km/h. I like the idea of the pods, but I think the storage is lacking, and also no showering options at all.

4 ай бұрын

@@paseospormadrid1751 the track had LZB, you can see the wires between the tracks so that's not an issue.

@Johnnyr-yb7ff

4 ай бұрын

Hello, i am from Germany and I now excactly, how fast they drive usuall... 200km/h is the top speed of the travel- speed. They never run more than 200km/h, because the locomotives are only used for the ICs. The IC- wagons in Germany can "only" drive 200km/h so the Br. 101 doesn´t need to drive faster😅

@Franjo5000

4 ай бұрын

Any some 101 were allowed for the Metropolitan to drive 220 but that is in the past.

We finished a two week travel from Scotland to Switzerland then down to Naples. We took the NJ from Vienna to Venice. We had a 2 ppl sleeper and cost was 200 euros each. But see see Hallstatt and get to Vienna hop on a rolling hotel then wake up in Venice “PRICELESS” St Pancras station London is better than Vienna Station they don’t have homeless ppl all over the place but the good thing is we left Bible tracts all over the place and maybe a few of them read one

@RafaquaQuetta

4 ай бұрын

Euston King's Cross St Pancras International is the OG station in Europe

Are this cars quiter than old one? In old cars i couldnt sleep me lnded at 8 am sleeping in the bench waiting to 2 om for hotel

I thought regular sleeper car is not first class, only deluxe?

OBB Nightjet used to be great value for money and a great alternative to flying and hotel stays etc. Now it is unjustifiably expensive. I'll be sticking with flying for now.

@PtrkHrnk

4 ай бұрын

If the trains will be still full after the price increases, can we really blame ÖBB for that?

@bigben5051

4 ай бұрын

​@@PtrkHrnk If the trains are full even after the price increases it only proves that too many people have more money than sense.

@sagichnicht6748

4 ай бұрын

@@PtrkHrnk We could if the ÖBB were to artificially keep supply sparce but the ÖBB is in fact doing its best to rapidly expand the night train offers. So no, I don't think one can blame them. Also, the price is dynamic on the nightjets. So if people don't use it sufficiently tickets will decrease. The new trains are very sought after, as they are still so special. That certainly doesn't help in this regard.

The big question is, why don't the UK take inspiration from OBB? Siemens Viaggio coaches and tri-mode Taurus locos would be a perfect replacement for the LNER InterCity 225's!

@budapestkeleti6404

4 ай бұрын

England didn't make Brexit to get inspiration from Europe, never mind buying rolling stock from there

@stephanweinberger

4 ай бұрын

Would Taurus locomotives fit in the narrower UK loading gauge?

@budapestkeleti6404

4 ай бұрын

@@stephanweinberger I think yes. If the big American locos fit, Taurus would fit. But it's no longer in production, but Vectron

@stephanweinberger

4 ай бұрын

@@budapestkeleti6404 which "big American locos" do you mean?

@budapestkeleti6404

4 ай бұрын

@@stephanweinberger the General Electric ones

Eurail 1st class holders can access obb lounges

We could use those in the US.

Did the train have any cafe or bar available for a drink or snack?

@alexmcwhirter6611

4 ай бұрын

No. But maybe light catering (besides breakfast) can be provided.

@hoodyniszwangsjacke3190

4 ай бұрын

That's not common in Night Trains, bc few ppl would use it at night. Most ppl just want to sleep to get relieved to their activities the next day.

@alexmcwhirter6611

4 ай бұрын

@@hoodyniszwangsjacke3190 It depends. In the UK the Caledonian Sleeper to Scotland has a Club Car (only for those booking sleeping car accommodation though) where passengers can have snacks and dinner. It's famous among N American customers as genuine Scottish food is served.

@John-qq8he

4 ай бұрын

@@hoodyniszwangsjacke3190 I would!

the future? the future is bright, even the paris berlin kicking in again etc etc

No bar car!

The legacy fleet is really taking a beating in most reviews for the new Nightjet trains - for example, you saying the cars are from the 50s and 60s while showing cars from the early 2000s and late 90s - and honestly, I think it's unwarranted. The sleeper cars from the 2000s are really good and offer more flexibility. Compartments can be reconfigured for 1, 2 or 3 people and even be merged with adjacent compartments. And they are more reliable then the new trains. ÖBB has some truly old couchette cars and and they really should have replaced those years ago, but every cent went into these new sets, which came late and problem-ridden, because ÖBB wanted a Raljet-like train instead of new and impoved single cars.

Braw train. The American rail system could take some lessons on their sleeper compartments.

As a claustrophobic that thing is not for me. Nice idea though

Do not like the pods whatsoever. I can just see them being problematic for sleeping not because of their size, that’s fine. It smacks of backpacker party carriage. I’ve seen people putting things in the ladder rungs (instead of lockers). The sliding partition between pods is flimsy and any talking snoozing farting watching iPhone of your neighbour will carry right through. The entry door sliding is noisy and prone to slamming. I’d go for a cabin every time even if alone.

There is absolutely no excuse why these are not brought into use in the U.K. - those in charge need to stop with the excuses and just get it implemented as quickly as possible

@moodophile

4 ай бұрын

I mean, the trains not fitting the UK loading gauge is pretty convincing as excuses go....but you do you.

@budapestkeleti6404

4 ай бұрын

I keep hearing the moaning that the Piccadilly Line trains are built by Siemens in Austria instead of by Alstom in the British Empire.

@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm

4 ай бұрын

@@moodophile That can be fixed if some really wants them there. Reluctant to change. Sad, especially when people want them.

ÖBB fixed their dumb pricing system finally. Booking 6 months in advance : Hamburg-Vienna Mini-Cabin or 4 bed compartment 54,90 Euro, double compartment sleeper coach 99,90 Euro. Single occupancy still ridicolous expensive, starting at 229,90 Euro.

A personal toilet in every cabin seems like a huge waste of space. The only reason someone would design the coaches in such a way is to inflate the price. Oh, wait...

The pods look awful. I'd not want to be sitting on my bed for the whole part of the journey when I wasn't sleeping. This seems like a good concept as a budget option for maybe backpackers or something but not for adults. I'd be claustrophobic in that thing.

@titteryenot4524

3 ай бұрын

What? 🥴 You lie on a bed! Chairs are for sitting on. 🪑👍

Nightjet with their obscene price increases has really screwed the passenger. Of which, I hope they lose their shirts. And no way it is desirable to "save" money by traveling in a bloody Japanese-like pod with its confined space, no sound-proofing and no real privacy, especially considering that the screen between pods looks like it can easily be opened by someone in the adjoining pod. As such, Nightjet will not be my mode of travel. Best to stick with daytime travel on faster and more cost friendly carriers.

@sagichnicht6748

4 ай бұрын

Maybe you should inform yourself before spreading disinformation. The sliding door between the pods can be of course only opened when both sides release the lock. There is no such thing as a sound proof night train but you get ear plugs for free in your package, if you need absolute silence for your sleep. I am not sure which night train is supposed to be sound proof, would love to know.

@stephanweinberger

4 ай бұрын

Look more carefully. @11:41 you can clearly see that there are two latches/locks - one for each side. This isn't a new idea, cabins with connecting doors (to combine two cabins into a suite if you travel eg. as a family) have existed on night trains for decades.

@WilliamMurphy-uv9pm

4 ай бұрын

@@sagichnicht6748 Only the one in your own home is quieter, I hope.

Looks nice but three hours late. Not very reliable and priced up to €1000 is ridiculous.

Only the most ardent train enthusiasts will pay over a 1,000 EUR for this. Quite a disappointment right at the very end. This does not bode well for the future of sleeper trains

@sagichnicht6748

4 ай бұрын

1000 EUR is ridiculous but have a look at the actual prices. That is probably the max price if you are using a double sleeper cabin alone. You pay of course for two in that case. If you don't go for that luxury option (and opt as a single traveller who just hates the idea of being with a foreigner in the same room for the pods) prices even in the worst case, are much more reasonable. If you book a sleeper train a few days in advance you can be lucky if you get a place. The highest prices for single comfort plus, the most expensive option I could find did not exceed 475 EUR, that is very expensive. But if you fly first class, how much do you pay for that again? The plus is just luxury. The Single comfort is already at 355 EUR and that is a ticket at short notice (and like i said, those single sleepers, you pay effectively for two as you also consume the space for two). The pods can be found at around 100-130 EUR, even when booking at short notice, as long as they are not booked out.

@tombombadil9123

4 ай бұрын

@@sagichnicht6748 thanks

Passport checks between two EU countries? Amazing. Why have an EU at all except if you are are poor member and need the subsidies. That's not really free as you need to kneal to the power of the EU bureaucrats.

They look as inviting and as sterile as a Japanese pod hotel in Tokyo. No style or class. Very disappointing.

Slow and expensive. No thanks.

That long shot of the burgundy EU passport... 🥲

@budapestkeleti6404

4 ай бұрын

You have a nice Tory blue passport