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It’s only appropriate that the first MLS Insider episode of 2017 would look at the MLS team that just played their first-ever match, Atlanta United FC.
The newest episode of MLS Insider gives a behind the scenes look at Atlanta United technical director Carlos Bocanegra at the club’s inaugural match, a thrilling, yet ultimately disappointing, 2-1 defeat to the New York Red Bulls in front of a sold-out crowd of 55,000-plus at Bobby Dodd Stadium last Sunday.
Atlanta will play the second match in club history this Sunday, when they’ll take on expansion partner Minnesota United FC at the Loons’ MLS home opener at TCF Bank Stadium (5 pm ET; ESPN2 in the US | MLS LIVE in Canada).
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  • @Blue_Cinema
    @Blue_Cinema7 жыл бұрын

    I was kinda shocked when I saw he many people showed up and especially how loud they were!!! Hearing the crowd when they scored gives u chills

  • @20plus7
    @20plus77 жыл бұрын

    What a great atmosphere

  • @arnolddavidfernandez5725

    @arnolddavidfernandez5725

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yup let's hope it stays like that

  • @agustinsoto6040

    @agustinsoto6040

    7 жыл бұрын

    A F or gets bigger

  • @nathanngo5824

    @nathanngo5824

    7 жыл бұрын

    Rhein-Maincrafter yea

  • @TamW000

    @TamW000

    6 жыл бұрын

    I hope you’re joking

  • @csmith943

    @csmith943

    5 жыл бұрын

    Arnold David Fernandez lmfao it got better

  • @paragonplaya4853
    @paragonplaya48537 жыл бұрын

    One day I would love to play for a debuting club in the mls

  • @mikejunior211

    @mikejunior211

    7 жыл бұрын

    Announcer: Chatanooga FC goooooal! Darth Crowd: Maximus Announcer: Darth Crowd: Maximus Announcer: Darth Crowd: Maximus

  • @redcap92
    @redcap927 жыл бұрын

    He is a great coach just need to get some good players...wish you luck TATA

  • @sikjuice8620

    @sikjuice8620

    7 жыл бұрын

    Lionel Messi just need a good keeper

  • @offroadjax979
    @offroadjax9795 жыл бұрын

    I was there and the first goal was absolutely crazy at the ga tech stadium it was so packed in there

  • @XxAlex530xX
    @XxAlex530xX7 жыл бұрын

    Atlanta played so much better . I hope they can win their next games because they lack finishing

  • @burdrchitect1680
    @burdrchitect16804 жыл бұрын

    The day Atlanta United won my heart, along with Josef Martinez. I didnt know much about the club signings, but watch Josef I knew he was special. Although he didnt score, i just knew he was going bring something special to the team. VAMOS ATLANTA!!!

  • @jasonarellano9470
    @jasonarellano94707 жыл бұрын

    Is it just me or does the Atlanta United jerseys look like the old New York/New Jersey Metrostars jerseys. Also it's awesome to see how much MLS has grown, I've been a fan since '96, and use to have Galaxy season seats back when they were at the Rose Bowl.

  • @archerevan823
    @archerevan8237 жыл бұрын

    I love Atlanta because they are awesome and that's my home state

  • @kayokayo2520
    @kayokayo25203 жыл бұрын

    Wow dude this looks like bundesliga MLS will be a great league they got everything going

  • @adamgibbons5715
    @adamgibbons57155 жыл бұрын

    And look where we are now. MLS champion's. VAMOS ATL

  • @miguelcastillo917
    @miguelcastillo9177 жыл бұрын

    I could feel the atmosphere from just Watching this woow crazy

  • @CNNRFIFA
    @CNNRFIFA7 жыл бұрын

    The fans of the MLS are under rated across europe in my opinoin! Also soccer fans, ive made a video on the FA Cup fixtures this weekend could you guys leave your predictions and thought on my video!?

  • @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    7 жыл бұрын

    Arsenal 5-0 Lincoln, Man City 3-0 Boro, Spurs 6-0 Millwall, and I'll pick Man Utd vs Chelsea later.

  • @superluis64
    @superluis647 жыл бұрын

    Where were these crowds at the Atlanta Silverback games??

  • @DJQuin81

    @DJQuin81

    7 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately, the Silverbacks don't have the funding, the marketing team, the ownership, the leverage, and the names that MLS does. It happens with the lower leagues, they don't perform at professional levels, they don't get professional level crowds.

  • @Bwman38

    @Bwman38

    7 жыл бұрын

    superluis64 Silverbacks never cared about Atlanta, attempted to market to anyone outside of the bubble of fans that already knew about them, and it was difficult to get to games and was terribly run. So in turn, the city didn't care about them. Also, it's just natural that people will be more drawn to top flight teams.

  • @aperson2330

    @aperson2330

    7 жыл бұрын

    superluis64 People love football. It's that simple.

  • @raul_p8
    @raul_p86 жыл бұрын

    MLS tem mais organização que o campeonato brasileiro.

  • @mr.bunnywabbit2048
    @mr.bunnywabbit20487 жыл бұрын

    0:20 what does he mean more season tickets than anyone's ever had? The Sounders have over 30,000 season tickets.

  • @bronsonphil

    @bronsonphil

    7 жыл бұрын

    Mr. BunnyWabbit Ya Atlanta has more than that.

  • @imamlsfanmakefunofmethanks7945

    @imamlsfanmakefunofmethanks7945

    7 жыл бұрын

    Mr. BunnyWabbit they set the record most for a expansion team

  • @Ballplayer300th

    @Ballplayer300th

    7 жыл бұрын

    Mr. BunnyWabbit yeah and ATL has over 33000 season tickets

  • @mr.bunnywabbit2048

    @mr.bunnywabbit2048

    7 жыл бұрын

    +Ballplayer300th by over 30,000 I mean over 35-36,000 season tickets.

  • @Ballplayer300th

    @Ballplayer300th

    7 жыл бұрын

    Mr. BunnyWabbit ah ok

  • @chrishuskers668
    @chrishuskers6687 жыл бұрын

    Split the 2 conferences regular season play entirely. 40 Team league. Bottom Team from each conference moves down. Top 6-8 from each conference play in playoff or champions league style playoff during next season. Would like to see this by 2030

  • @MegaDeansy
    @MegaDeansy Жыл бұрын

    Never heard of Atlanta Utd until today but at only i years old and ave attendances of 47,000 it wont be long until they're the dominant team in America !

  • @nelson776
    @nelson7766 жыл бұрын

    awesome i support this league

  • @zaphster11
    @zaphster117 жыл бұрын

    as a Filipino fan, I just wanna know if MLS teams have plans to expand their stadium in the future... like increase the capacity to 50K?

  • @zyxwut321

    @zyxwut321

    7 жыл бұрын

    Probably not in the near term. What's more likely is that some of the most popular and successful markets like Seattle will open up their football stadium seating further to soccer. In the early years of MLS all the teams played in football stadiums and the poor field adaptations, chronically empty stadiums and 2nd tier feel of the league that the stadium experience promoted almost killed the league.

  • @AllenC040170

    @AllenC040170

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'm a Filipino, living here in Orlando, Florida. I don't think that some of the MLS teams have plans to expand stadiums, especially with Orlando City that just opened a brand new stadium last Sunday.

  • @zaphster11

    @zaphster11

    7 жыл бұрын

    thank you for your wonderful insights, I was thinking maybe 20 years for now... and I like Orlando City SC's new stadiu... if they can keep that attendance every match for the next 5 years, I'm sure expansion will come... And I have one more question... 28 teams in the future... how do you think that will fare?

  • @AllenC040170

    @AllenC040170

    7 жыл бұрын

    Jehozaphat F. Castillo btw, Anong parte sa Pilipinas?

  • @WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE

    @WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE

    7 жыл бұрын

    as of now a lot of teams dont need the huge upgrade in capacity as long as people keep coming to watch their teams play steadily the revenues might increase and the future all of the teams could have that type of european atmosphere.

  • @DavidCruzakaDacruz
    @DavidCruzakaDacruz5 жыл бұрын

    Who else is here when Atalanta united plays the final today ...?

  • @jorgehdz2030
    @jorgehdz20307 жыл бұрын

    Great ambient in the stadium better than most of the teams in the Liga MX. Fan from Atlanta keep cheering for your team and the cups will come eventually.

  • @jorgehdz2030

    @jorgehdz2030

    7 жыл бұрын

    david gons Justo watch some games of Cruz azul, Puebla, jaguares, Morelia, pumas, Veracruz, chivas, atlas, veracruz and the stadium are almost empty.

  • @ethanvanheel4166

    @ethanvanheel4166

    7 жыл бұрын

    jorge hdz I agree, I'm Aussie so I follow my league (A-League) and we are only in our 12th season and we have way better atmosphere than most of the MLS teams but I watched this game on TV and I was impressed. The Atlanta crowd sounded so passionate

  • @jlb74a

    @jlb74a

    7 жыл бұрын

    @Ethan.... dont forget MSL is in its 22nd season and the US has a big challenge to bring the sport into a continent of 325 million people where other sports rule. Leagues like NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR get more tv viewers and live attendance than soccer, even college football NCAA and college basketball NCAA produce massive revenue and viewers than soccer.. Every time MLS soccer expands into a new market the league gets diluted in terms of quality players as player personnel move from one club to another, so this in itself pulls the whole league into a mediocre entertainment... But we are the Yanks, and we will get there.

  • @ethanvanheel4166

    @ethanvanheel4166

    7 жыл бұрын

    jlb74a Same over here in Straya man. We have AFL which is our own sport and the most popular down here, NRL which is rugby, Cricket, NBL which is our basketball league in its 35th season I think and also Tennis. Soccer doesn't get big TV views or anything due to not being free to air so it's hard for the A-League to grow but we have amazing fans and my team (Melbourne City) is only 7 years old and we have the 4th best fan group down here

  • @jorgehdz2030

    @jorgehdz2030

    7 жыл бұрын

    Cool that soccer is growing in Australia, Australia show us that they are good in futbol, when Australia move to the Asian conference they really fast became to be in the top 3 best national team.

  • @allenjames8616
    @allenjames86163 жыл бұрын

    I miss this Atlanta team

  • @VictorSilva-qf2tu
    @VictorSilva-qf2tu7 жыл бұрын

    Impressive, for MLS.

  • @odp7775
    @odp77757 жыл бұрын

    What the people were trying to say was"Mexico Mexico Mexico!!" Lol

  • @rylecut
    @rylecut7 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad they finally stopped doing 3 intros for this series

  • @melle1965
    @melle19657 жыл бұрын

    Respect from FC TWENTE Ultras 🔴⚪️💀

  • @ikegt_12
    @ikegt_124 жыл бұрын

    I’m a gt fan and you will never see that stadium that full again

  • @enriquecaceres5134
    @enriquecaceres51347 жыл бұрын

    waooo!!! TATA MARTINO

  • @andyg1443
    @andyg14437 жыл бұрын

    Orlando's start was better last year, their crowd was fucking electric. Coming from a dynamo fan ✌

  • @matthewmcternan8994

    @matthewmcternan8994

    7 жыл бұрын

    I feel like Fox didn't mic the crowd well this match. You could tell ATL fans were into the game and hanging on every touch, but the crowd sounded muted. It's odd, since usually Fox Sports 1 has great crowd noise (it's normally ESPN that people complain about).

  • @lusitanimendes641
    @lusitanimendes6417 жыл бұрын

    0:46 "Franschise" i cringed, a football club is not a brand, its the pride and honor of a city.

  • @davekent6023

    @davekent6023

    7 жыл бұрын

    yeah, but since the MLS owns all clubs...

  • @wtblack5

    @wtblack5

    7 жыл бұрын

    you're right bullshit, college sports are college owned, and if that is too technical for you, the Green Bay Packers

  • @wearealreadydeadfam8214

    @wearealreadydeadfam8214

    6 жыл бұрын

    Soccer fans are such pretentious cunts. Clubs football is all about buying players. The promotion system is at fault. The NFL has a draft, so the worst team last season gets first pick. It's super competitive. Only five teams have won the premier league. They win cause they buy it. That fluke last year. Well that happens a lot in a functional league. Yeah Man United isn't a brand. Real Mom and Pop wholesomeness. Delusional.

  • @jarent2652

    @jarent2652

    6 жыл бұрын

    We are already dead Fam actually it's 6

  • @lukecannonn

    @lukecannonn

    5 жыл бұрын

    Lusitani Mendes same thing

  • @skeleguns10oooooo10
    @skeleguns10oooooo106 жыл бұрын

    Georgia has its own team now 😂

  • @cristianegoncalves1634
    @cristianegoncalves16346 жыл бұрын

    Atlanta 👏👏👏👏👏

  • @carlosLu45
    @carlosLu457 жыл бұрын

    Josef Martínez, best striker of the MLS.

  • @irvingpagan1144
    @irvingpagan11447 жыл бұрын

    they're a great team and they have what 99% of mls teams lack, they have a very bright future and will surely qualify for play offs, this is coming from an ocsc supporter

  • @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    7 жыл бұрын

    99% of MLS teams? That doesn't work.

  • @FranciscoDiaz-vs7hj
    @FranciscoDiaz-vs7hj7 жыл бұрын

    lets go RedBullls

  • @MrAfrique
    @MrAfrique7 жыл бұрын

    I went to that game

  • @carella211
    @carella2117 жыл бұрын

    Lot of great attacking players, but man their defense is shaky af.

  • @macaroniandcheese6597
    @macaroniandcheese65977 жыл бұрын

    Still waiting for a Las Vegas team... -.-

  • @TORLBC
    @TORLBC7 жыл бұрын

    And the best part? They can't stop beating other teams' butts now. If I wanted some MLS team to have something quantifiable, I'd want Atlanta United

  • @chamberlainachilihu3035
    @chamberlainachilihu30355 жыл бұрын

    Bro After cicinati fan base is Atlanta n portland. They got cathedral

  • @mauronavarenho6090
    @mauronavarenho60907 жыл бұрын

    even the great teams from the rest of the world the twisted suffering the losses

  • @wtblack5
    @wtblack57 жыл бұрын

    Hey, a place known for its passion for college football? Who'd've thought a winning team could gather support?

  • @isaachernandez1946
    @isaachernandez19467 жыл бұрын

    No one has yet beaten the sounders record for a match attendance 67+ thousand

  • @robh8245

    @robh8245

    5 жыл бұрын

    How about now?

  • @frankynavi100
    @frankynavi1007 жыл бұрын

    Chivas vs Atlanta UNITEd future

  • @riquegiron
    @riquegiron3 жыл бұрын

    we all miss tata

  • @phillysports0985
    @phillysports09857 жыл бұрын

    Man I wish the Union could just sell out there 18,000 capacity stadium.

  • @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    7 жыл бұрын

    Man I wish the Sounders could just sell out their....oh wait. We do.

  • @aperson2330

    @aperson2330

    7 жыл бұрын

    Philly Sports'09 Why don't they?

  • @BlueshirtFan4Ever
    @BlueshirtFan4Ever7 жыл бұрын

    And I thought they played in the Georgia Dome.

  • @patrickwc4975

    @patrickwc4975

    7 жыл бұрын

    JRx845 they should play at the new star

  • @BlueshirtFan4Ever

    @BlueshirtFan4Ever

    7 жыл бұрын

    J J What?

  • @patrickwc4975

    @patrickwc4975

    7 жыл бұрын

    JRx845 stadium*

  • @josepalacios8343

    @josepalacios8343

    7 жыл бұрын

    Atlanta United is currently playing at the Georgia Tech Stadium until the new Mercedes Benz Stadium is finished being built which should be done I think around July of this year

  • @milottasholli9544
    @milottasholli95447 жыл бұрын

    DSC Arminia Bielefeld

  • @hawkinsstern5356

    @hawkinsstern5356

    7 жыл бұрын

    YEAH BIEFIELD FAN IN THE HOUSE! hoping you guys get promotion soon

  • @juanesquivel1412
    @juanesquivel14127 жыл бұрын

    3 minute insider? Disappointed...... I miss the long ones.

  • @JoseGomez-ln7tj
    @JoseGomez-ln7tj7 жыл бұрын

    ez win

  • @jackdaniel8973
    @jackdaniel89737 жыл бұрын

    1 - 2

  • @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    7 жыл бұрын

    6-1.

  • @jackdaniel8973

    @jackdaniel8973

    7 жыл бұрын

    i'm happy too , i'm a Olympique de Marseille fan !!!! Paris , Paris on t'enculent !

  • @ZaneEX
    @ZaneEX7 жыл бұрын

    BWP was offside. Should have been called off. Atlanta was Geiger'd.

  • @ZaneEX

    @ZaneEX

    7 жыл бұрын

    They should have tested out that video assistant referee for this match then. It was a close call though, but offside nonetheless.

  • @matthewmcternan8994

    @matthewmcternan8994

    7 жыл бұрын

    Can a player be offside on an own goal by the opponent?

  • @ZaneEX

    @ZaneEX

    7 жыл бұрын

    If they interfere with the run of play or obstruct the keeper in some way, which is the case here.

  • @chrisaponte5289
    @chrisaponte52897 жыл бұрын

    I think MLS should expand, and implement relegation and promotions and a cup competition, just like in Europe they have a country big enough

  • @kolboy757

    @kolboy757

    7 жыл бұрын

    There is the Lamar Hunt Cup. But relegation isnt ready quite yet in the US. You know how devastating it would be if a major city team like DC United that just built a stadium was knocked down to the "minor leagues". Soccer is the 5th most popular sport in the US right now

  • @chrisaponte5289

    @chrisaponte5289

    7 жыл бұрын

    kolboy757 It doesn't matter we gotta have teams to play for something even if that is to not get relegated to keep the motivation going

  • @kolboy757

    @kolboy757

    7 жыл бұрын

    Chris Aponte winning the MLS cup isn't enough?

  • @chrisaponte5289

    @chrisaponte5289

    7 жыл бұрын

    It isn't just watch you're neighbors down south they all have a relegation system and they don't have as great as economy as the US

  • @kolboy757

    @kolboy757

    7 жыл бұрын

    Chris Aponte you have Mexico and other Latin American countries that have a strong love of the sport that they grew up on no matter if it's the lower tier clubs they support. the US isn't quite their yet for soccer. I've started watching soccer in my late 20s

  • @unlivedcrowd2068
    @unlivedcrowd20687 жыл бұрын

    relegations please

  • @JDOGFTW

    @JDOGFTW

    7 жыл бұрын

    LMFAO what?

  • @zyxwut321

    @zyxwut321

    7 жыл бұрын

    It won't be for many years but I think they'll get there eventually, especially if they continue to overexpand like they have in recent years.

  • @juliusc.8

    @juliusc.8

    7 жыл бұрын

    Americans don't understand how much more competitive the league would be if they added a relegation zone and got rid of the conference system.

  • @agustinsoto6040

    @agustinsoto6040

    7 жыл бұрын

    Julius C. Yeah. Regelation makes you want to compete more.

  • @breakfastandbasketballpodc5761

    @breakfastandbasketballpodc5761

    7 жыл бұрын

    Will not work in U.S teams would completely lose their support. Look how no one cared for the ATL silverbacks and then another teams shows up in mls and the city shows up in record numbers

  • @Harrock
    @Harrock7 жыл бұрын

    Next home game 30k empty seats ...this would be horrific... I hope they sell out next game to

  • @juansolis2123

    @juansolis2123

    7 жыл бұрын

    you are wrong they already sold more then 30,000 season passes, so ail they have to do sell another 25,000 more thickets to be the same crow.... I will and all my friends will do too..... this is a team that have only few games playing together and they play real good they going to get a lot beter....... GO ATL UTD !!!!

  • @Bwman38

    @Bwman38

    7 жыл бұрын

    Nick AlexuseesuxelA there are going to be about 10, 000 empty seats around may, but that's because of stadium renovations. So far, games are still selling out

  • @Harrock

    @Harrock

    7 жыл бұрын

    Juan Solis oh Thats nice to hear ...I had the fear Americans aren't so interested into soccer especially if their home team loses . Here in Germany we have massive fan support sometimes if a team loses they selling the next home game even faster out than before ... Also Since the Allianz Arena was build back in 2005 (for the World Cup in Germany 2006) every Single Bayern Munich Home game was sold out (75k seats) til today.

  • @ni5hua.313

    @ni5hua.313

    7 жыл бұрын

    yeh as an nigerian chelsea fan living in atlanta. i know chelsea and nigeria football teams have huge fanbase. here in atlanta, we're used to seeing our sports teams choke and blow leads just like our last superbowl. the game against new york red bulls was supposed to erase our memoiries of superbowl but it only brought them back. hopefully the loss doesn't affect the support we'll get though.

  • @FranciscoDiaz-vs7hj
    @FranciscoDiaz-vs7hj7 жыл бұрын

    atl stole the old ny rddbulls metrostars jerseys

  • @Alan_R93
    @Alan_R937 жыл бұрын

    tata martino vale verga. 😂😂 RIP atlanta fc

  • @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    7 жыл бұрын

    Not, 6-1.

  • @cactusjack9504
    @cactusjack95047 жыл бұрын

    mls will never be a good league they cant even beat liga mx lmao

  • @colin_seech2667

    @colin_seech2667

    3 жыл бұрын

    Atlanta 3 America 2

  • @cactusjack9504

    @cactusjack9504

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@colin_seech2667 well after all these year's Liga MX is still dominating MLS and concacaf lol one little MLS victory don't mean anything 🥱

  • @htx.antonio
    @htx.antonio7 жыл бұрын

    Lol they lost haha

  • @USmensnationalteam
    @USmensnationalteam7 жыл бұрын

    pro rel for the sake of saving smaller markets clubs which will be wiped out with NFL format MLS league. it would be a lose for development of US Soccer talent.

  • @jorgeacosta9051

    @jorgeacosta9051

    7 жыл бұрын

    soldierboymedia Unlived Crowd please sign this petition if you support promotion and relegation in USA soccer. It almost has 500 signatures www.change.org/p/u-s-soccer-federation-bring-promotion-relegation-to-u-s-soccer

  • @cristopherklose4122

    @cristopherklose4122

    7 жыл бұрын

    you need spread this on facebook groups

  • @MegaMalik90
    @MegaMalik907 жыл бұрын

    I hope they will do well this season, or at least 30K angry people will demand their money back.

  • @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    7 жыл бұрын

    I bet they go 17-0-0 on the road and 0-0-17 at home.

  • @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    7 жыл бұрын

    Well, I guess it's 0-17-0 for the American version of showing Wins Losees and Ties.

  • @nicksonbenedico8708
    @nicksonbenedico87087 жыл бұрын

    Im sure theyll lose many more especially against orlando

  • @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    @seattlesoundersfcfan8351

    7 жыл бұрын

    6-1. Enough said.

  • @SAINTSROWANGEL

    @SAINTSROWANGEL

    7 жыл бұрын

    HA! Eat it

  • @karlmanning2603

    @karlmanning2603

    6 жыл бұрын

    Orlando still has not beaten Atlanta. Your response?

  • @julio-thegoat8053

    @julio-thegoat8053

    6 жыл бұрын

    Again plz?

  • @joshuasimmons8160

    @joshuasimmons8160

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ummm...

  • @gmaccruyff55
    @gmaccruyff557 жыл бұрын

    I thought you Yanks prefered watching silly sports like Baseball and Basketball?

  • @benedictcase4290
    @benedictcase42906 жыл бұрын

    The MLS needs relegations

  • @ciarandevaney385
    @ciarandevaney3857 жыл бұрын

    silly sport

  • @fredw8631
    @fredw86317 жыл бұрын

    Criiinnge

  • @DEAD69maget
    @DEAD69maget7 жыл бұрын

    Want to copy a name of a power house team from England? ps it's not """soccer"""

  • @Harrock
    @Harrock7 жыл бұрын

    Next home game 30k empty seats ...this would be horrific... I hope they sell out next game to

  • @alwaysmissingwide161

    @alwaysmissingwide161

    7 жыл бұрын

    Almost sold out now with a week to go. Also there are 30k+ season tickets and the stadium (from now on) only holds 45k so it shouldn't ever be that empty.

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