Inside a Phytosun ultrasonic oil atomiser - with schematic
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They seem to be dumping these things on eBay at the moment. I wonder if that's due to poor sales or technical issues. During the exploration of the product I found two issues that were not microcontroller friendly. One was a lack of power supply filtering (it literally just needed another resistor and capacitor) and the sharing of a track between a high current switching circuit and the power pin of the microcontroller. Both pose a slight risk of causing processor instability, with the risk of a drive transistor being left powered in the event of a crash.
Much of the negative feedback suggested that the users may not have fully understood how to use the units, not helped by the instructions being in French, but with a reasonable image guide too.
The circuitry consists of a microcontroller controlling two transistors that push and pull the primary of a small step-up transformer. The output then drives a very neatly designed piezoelectric atomiser with a novel self levelling support system.
In use, the unit squirts out two fine jets of oil every 10, 30 or 60 seconds, depending on the setting.
The use of atomised essential oil for air sterilisation seems to be a common French thing. I bought an air powered oil nebulizer from a pharmacy while working near Paris.
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Hello Clive, should I start with I love your channel? Probably yes. Love your channel! Quick suggestion, when you finish talking, leave 10 (maybe 15?) seconds of image without audio. I always watch your videos till the end (on my TV) and I want to listen to everything you say but I also want to click the "in-video links" but by the time you finish talking you cut off inmediatly, my TV goes to the main screen and I cannot choose the suggested video!!! Just a suggestion, otherwise... Keep up the good work. I'm still amazed how you can read a circuit just by looking at it. I learned a lot from you, thank you.
"An atom smasher in every unit. Smash that oil with Phytosun and it'll never know what hit it."
Clearly visible. I like how the bottle pops out.
I find it funny in a time when supposidly people are concerned about air quality yet happily stuff vapours from oil into the air???
@mikepanchaud1
9 ай бұрын
Exactly, I thought that when I saw them selling Joss sticks in the local market!
@tncorgi92
9 ай бұрын
The "room deodorizers" seem pretty popular in America, hardly a day goes by when I don't see them advertised on TV. I personally don't care for them, my wife bought a couple and we had to narrow the scent options down because a few flavors were cloying and nausea-inducing to me.
@pattheplanter
9 ай бұрын
Air fresheners are included by the World Health Organisation as an air pollutant. Usually more disgusting things than essential oils from culinary herbs.
@Mark1024MAK
9 ай бұрын
These items of crap are not allowed in my home. They want me to pay to pollute my home? Absolutely no way.
@edwardsmith7131
9 ай бұрын
Ignoring the fact that I can trace my migraines to the vaporized oil carriers of artificial fragrances: my concerns are a bit more tactical. You could put *anything* in that oil container and as long as it has the surface tension and viscosity to wick through to the transducer it can be put in to the air. Personality: I'd rework the delay to be from hours to days, fill it with something that smells like a horrible fart and then hide it in an elevator or office environment.
Essential oil atomizers should be required to have a pet warning on them. These things can cause serious problems to cats, and dogs to a lesser degree. Their airways can be heavily impacted by atomized, but not actually vaporized, essential oil droplets. By contrast, odorizers that just heat the oils and let them evaporate (true vaporization) with no active spraying mechanism are perfectly fine around pets.
@pattheplanter
9 ай бұрын
Flammability warning too.
@Thatnibbles
9 ай бұрын
Correct, my cats happen to actually enjoy my Apple Cinnamon Air wick one that I have, its given a sniff each time they walk past it.
@flowerpt
9 ай бұрын
What about catnip oil?
@davidg5898
9 ай бұрын
@@flowerptOil droplets are bad for pets' airways. They can cause irritation, infection, bronchitis, asthma, and other breathing problems. A true vaporizer doesn't put oil droplets into the air, but releases the aromatic compounds as a gas, via evaporation through heating. Vaporizers are generally pet safe (except for rare instances of hypersensitive pets). General rule of thumb: If the device does not have an active heating element but does use an active spraying mechanism, it is nebulizing/atomizing (creating microscopic droplets that can float in the air for a long time) and not vaporizing.
@avada0
8 ай бұрын
Yeah. Surely BS.
Note the ambulance that passed in the background.
Atomized oil seems like a great way to get Lipoid Pneumonia Also, Wikipedia says: "The introduction of Olbas Oil into a child's eye contrary to the product's instructions for use, was noted to result in a range of adverse effects including corneal scarring."
@vaelophisnyx9873
9 ай бұрын
atomized oil is fine, just don't hold it directly under your nose.
@tebbi67
9 ай бұрын
This is a smelly gland with an LSD connection.
@KarldorisLambley
9 ай бұрын
@@tebbi67 wtf?
They work great with liquid ass, I've not tried traditional stink bombs yet.
That looks great (at least in theory) to apply oil based poisons in small indoor greenhouses/tents, might be worth a try.
@bigclivedotcom
9 ай бұрын
I did ponder its use with kerosene based transfluthrin.
@fredfred2363
9 ай бұрын
A mini room mozzie killer. Fab idea. Beats mozzie coils or those heat based vapourisers.
@elgorrion52
9 ай бұрын
Peppermint drives away things like mites - bluetits will actually use mint in their nesting material if available. Food safe too, for a greenhouse
@HappyHarryHardon
9 ай бұрын
@@elgorrion52The organic strawberry farmer behind me uses peppermint oil on his 45 acres. It smells amazing all day and evening when he does it.
My first question with atomizers is always: "Would it be possible to create an electronic whoofler with it?" 🔥
@toastrecon
9 ай бұрын
Put kerosene in it and make a really powerful firestarer. Lol.
@someguy2741
9 ай бұрын
Add some isopropyl to the oil until the appropriate whoof is acheived!
@Quick_Fix
9 ай бұрын
@@toastrecon Clive was already way ahead of us (I had that same idea about a year ago): kzread.info/dash/bejne/emVqsLuneL3Fo5M.html
@fredfred2363
9 ай бұрын
Great idea! Kerosene/jet-A/paraffin. Yeah, just add another push pull transformer drive circuit, along with a xenon ignition transformer in there. Then a small spark gap. Whoosh every few seconds! Now imagine a whole bunch of these in a row, behind clive on one of his live streams, and you'd have a miniature stage-style, random pyrotechnic show. Yay! 👍🏻🇬🇧😎
@pattheplanter
9 ай бұрын
@@toastrecon Eucalyptus oil has much the same octane rating as petrol (gas in the US) and can be used to run a car without additives. Very easily flammable on its own.
Could be useful for atomising citronella oil to keep the bugs (and unwanted feral cats) away, or just atomising paraffin and seeing if the mist goes whoompf... :P
@pattheplanter
9 ай бұрын
Citronella will go whoompf if lit.
You're sounding better. Wish you a speedy recovery.
That was indeed a simple schematic, But the layout was not optimal for sure. it would be fun to make some experiments with that little transformer as it is a push-pull to see what voltages it outputs and what else it could be used for
@fredfred2363
9 ай бұрын
Photo flash discharge tube?
@Pulverrostmannen
9 ай бұрын
@@fredfred2363 yeah. That is one thing. Another could be a voltage booster. Or an ignition coil together with a voltage multiplier etc
That springy mounting of the piezo driver reminds me of the metal spider in old cone type loudspeakers. Interesting little device.
A nice device for adding more polution to your air!
@rapeanumadalin2314
9 ай бұрын
fart-o-matic...by using liquid a$$ oil product..diluted a little with some isopropyl alcohol...😂😅🤣
I'm so early, I figured I would say Good Morning! This is a cool concept but they should have included a way to regulate the output to say a spray every 30 minutes. Then I would probably buy one...
Brilliant device - well analysed. The problem I've found is that essential oils ( even diluted with a carrier oil) are too thick for the wick and ejection system. Works fine with culinary extracts. Now I have to try and clean out the wick.
#WORKS NOW# Hi Clive - After watching bought one. Didn’t diffuse. Tried O level French. Took oil out plugged in empty and added surgical spirit to the piezo on top while on “red” a few times, using dropper provided. This seemed to clean the micro pores out . Now seems to work. Reckon the oil can clog if new or “sat” for a while blocking the pores and therefore operation.
@bigclivedotcom
9 ай бұрын
Adding a touch of isopropyl alcohol or ethanol to oil can also help it diffuse out easier.
Maybe the transducer is on a springy mounting so it can move more freely? In theory you could get the same effect with less current that way.
Just brought some of these, and it looks like they have difficulty atomising some of the more viscous oils (like the one I tried just splattered a small amount of oil around without actually atomising it). I will have to try with some thinned out oils and see what happens.
@bigclivedotcom
10 ай бұрын
Thinning the oil with isopropanol (isopropyl alcohol) may help with the atomisation.
@Mikeey1
9 ай бұрын
I've got a much bigger unit that does that same thing and it does seem an issue with these. They can also get gummed up pretty easily, along with the oil dropping back to earth and making surfaces around it oily over time. Though I don't know if a regular water diffuser has the same issues as I've never had one of them
@yonkersz
9 ай бұрын
@@bigclivedotcomisopropyl will have a scent, when thinning fragrances people prefer to use perfumers alcohol which is just ethanol.
@TH-bj1pb
9 ай бұрын
@@bigclivedotcomwhat about just pure ethanol?
@Blazer02LS
9 ай бұрын
I had the same issue with ultrasonic humidifiers, if you didn't use distilled water everything gets a fine layer of calcium dust...
Whenever I see Olbas Oil I feel sorry for the poor little olbases, cruelly crushed for our aromatic pleasure... 😢 Surely, with these bizarre-USB devices, we must be well past the point where everyone asks: *Why on earth would you do that?*
@tncorgi92
9 ай бұрын
Baby oil is even more cruel. 😊
@DelticEngine
9 ай бұрын
@@tncorgi92 And you'd need a much larger bottle...
There is certainly no shortage of junky little items for people to waste their money on, is there?
@NicksStuff
9 ай бұрын
This one is working as it should, isn't it?
@Mark1024MAK
9 ай бұрын
Yep, plenty of people appear to be gullible enough to waste their money on this kind of junk. Hence the market for them.
@markhodgson2348
9 ай бұрын
It's a useful supply of components for the creative type of person
I love saying "piezo electric" piezo is such nice word
You're getting the highest likes to views ratio. Well deserved!!! 👍
I think they made a few noob mistakes. Y1 is a PNP transistor rated at 40V max Vce. They'll get destroyed in no time. They should've used logic gate N-MOSFETs like the Si2302DS, to bypass the BEMF of those coils to ground via their built-in diode, to be captured by a 10uF+ low ESR (Electrolytic or Tantalum) capacitor across the supply. If I needed one, I would buy one and mod it. I use a little fridge Ozone generator. It gets rid of smells without the room smelling like Ozone. But I really like the miniaturization of parts to make this little landfill.
That's a pretty cool device.
Interestingly, they're not available to Australia, except through British sellers ( but the $34.13 postage on top of the $13.72 cost of the item makes the purchase a bit pointless ! )
Was working with something similar up until now. The oils might smell nice for a while.... but when you gotta test it over and over for weeks or months...
Interesting little thing but if its going off so often its going o have oil all over the furniture around it. Not to mention the strong smell. Nice video 2x👍
@nomusicrc
9 ай бұрын
So if you give him 2 thumbs up it cancels itself out
OOOO. My thought when you said about olbas oil was using a vape battery and making a portable insect repellent 🤔
I appreciate your video, it would be interesting to know the turns ratio of that little transformer
That’s very similar to those air freshener atomizers you talked about a little while ago.
A friend recently installed one of these in the family car (yes, they are that very rare one car family). She was someone distressed by her husband's "gaseous emissions". It just sits, hidden, under the driver's seat and gently puffs away masking said emissions. Apparently he hasn't worked out why the car smells fresh every time he gets in, and I'm not going to enlighten him.
Hi Big Clive love your videos, I would like to ask if you could do a video on "death beam capacitors" And how to check they are discharged the correct way when working on say a guitar amplifier or any such electrical item .
@frogz
9 ай бұрын
ideally with a suitable resistor on an electrically isolated lead, not so ideally with a screwdriver(can damage parts including the cap itself but ehh... better safe than sorry)
...Cool a very interesting video...
Clive is skydiving in a mankini @1 million subs
@bigclivedotcom
9 ай бұрын
Or naked.
Hi Clive, voice sounds a little different hope you are ok. Many thanks for yet another interesting video.
@bigclivedotcom
9 ай бұрын
Different location, long work hours and random airborne tourism diseases.
Quick question Clive, Do you do all your projects to Electrical Standard? Or did you also do "not-to-standard work wich still is more than good enough" ? For my Projects i tend to always do it so nobody can get hurt or die but sometimes i do things like: I know itd be better to solder this connection but i dont have my tools on hand so ill just twist the wires, secure them with a Zip tie strain releaf and put some electrical tae over it. (Low voltage only). Like adapting a different power button onto a OEM Connector for a Mainboard and OEM specific fan headers. Its a dirty, quick fix but in my opinion its more than enough to outlast the PCs Lifetime and User abuse.
Not sure if it was you tube but I had a four second video halfway through. Not seen this before with Clive’s videos.
Any chance to scope the “AC” output of the transformer for frequency and waveform? I seems that they might be using cheaper transistors that switch slower or less clean. Perhaps the transducer does not care or the additional inductor smooths it.
I got a pack of 4 on ebay. Of the 2 I've opened so far, neither have any oil in the black-topped bottle and one had no wick bottle. So perhaps they're being dumped because the packaging got screwed up. I wanted them in order to investigate the driver for another use, so no loss :).
@bwimtg
9 ай бұрын
what keywords can be used to find those units? i am struggling to get any results sadly
Cute! 😂👍 I think there is a subject you haven't covered yet: USB-C to USB-C cables with chips for high-power charging (PD 3 A, 5A, PPS). There are also cheap ones in the internet with an OLED-display for the Wattage (power-output) - just as an idea for you. 😉
@sandozdelysid
9 ай бұрын
Please?
@u.e.u.e.
9 ай бұрын
@@sandozdelysid What "please"?
An interesting little device - I’m guessing the market was flooded with stuff like it at the height of the c-19 pandemic with people using it to pump sterilisation fluid in to the air . Just like the rise in ozone generators? On g to he subject of ozone sterilisation- have you seen the small usb rechargeable ozone generators that are sold to sterile CPAP machines? Having need of a CPAP machine since January I bought one and it gives of that distinct ozone smell and pumps it through the tubes etc on a timer .
I suppose you could always stick another decoupling capacitor across that sketchy power trace to try to reduce the voltage fluctuations. A 3¢ hack that might stop it from crashing if you're using it from a power bank below full charge? That's if it actually does have a crashing problem...
@rapeanumadalin2314
9 ай бұрын
in order to reduce noise from switching inverters, usually a 100nF ceramic capacitor will do de job as He mentioned so.where in some of His clips...
Put some dank weed oil in that bad boy.
Begins with An Exon add!
Useful high voltage power supply
Fun first diagram : ) @4:54
hmm, I've seen that brand name before on some other unrelated product somewhere, might have been battery related, I saw a listing for it on battery site, but it was not exactly a discount level product is about all i remember. that might be a nifty piezo element to play with
Great Break down .Just remember some of those oils are very toxic to pets .So be careful
Fill it with chili oil. Hide in friends house. Set to red.
I built a similar kind of AC inverter for my Halloween lantern I used a neon flicker bulb based on a 4047 and they lasted for about a season then the chip was fried... I couldn't figure out why... so I went with a 2-transistor "blinker" and used MOSFETs to drive the transformer. So what I think might happen is that over time this chip will get fried and the product will stop working. The other thing that it could be is a counterfeit and the electronics just are crap.
I still haven't taken the time to play with an atomizer yet, but it's definitely on my "to-tear-down" list 😅 Love the simple construction though especially when it involves piezoelectric anything. I can't wait to get my internet situation straightened out so I can hang out in stream with you all again! Plus I've been using the down time to do some research for a project I have in mind and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it sometime...it's kind of crazy compared to the stuff I'm used to and I'm not sure how sound my theories truly are, but at this point it's purely theoretical 🖤
Cheers.
What size is that bottle, quarter dram? 🤣 Holy cow why
I wonder what the impedances on the transformer are. It'd be funny if you could reuse it for, like, a headphone tube amp.
Talking of eBay, Big Clive ...... I bought the Elgin Marbles for £24.99, plus £550 P&P! Total bargain, but don't tell Greece or The British Museum! 🤣 They'll look lovely under some LED Spots! I hope they're NOT fake? Because they NEVER sell fakes on eBay ... or antiquities stolen from The British Museum! Incidentally, yes, I saw your puff! 07:05 I heard an emergency vehicle pass by! ... I thought it was here!
If the designer wasn't worried about burning out the IC, then they'd have done away with transistors and sunk the windings directly through the uC pins.
@bigclivedotcom
9 ай бұрын
The IC would struggle to provide even 10mA.
@BerndFelsche
9 ай бұрын
@@bigclivedotcom ; some, like many AVR, can sink 20mA per pin with 100mA total. But the risk is more in the transient voltages that may be seen in the windings.
@talideon
9 ай бұрын
Even if that were feasible, the back EMF spikes would rapidly kill the microcontroller. I'm not sure that would even get past cursory testing.
Hi there, I would love to know your setup and equipment, specifically the camera and how you mount it to face the table. I do product reviews and trying to get better.
@bigclivedotcom
5 ай бұрын
I record my videos with a phone on a dedicated ledge above the bench.
Could be that sales were low because it has no potential for use as an injector in French diesel tractors. 8^) Interesting circuit and piezo though. Cheers
@jeffdayman8183
9 ай бұрын
Forgot to mention I could clearly see the puffs of oil against the black paper, just FYI. Couldn't smell it though
4:26 -- is it possible that pin 7 and 11 are actually tied together by a trace that runs beneath the IC? That would make more sense than using the IC itself as the current path.
@aaronmdjones
9 ай бұрын
Whether it runs under the chip or not is not what he's talking about. That trace isn't a superconductor, so as current flows through it, its voltage will drop. If you have a trace 20mm long and 0.2mm wide, with a standard 35um of plating, its resistance will be approximately 49mΩ, so sinking 1A along it (when the transistor is on) will cause a voltage drop of 49mV. Introducing this voltage variation on the power supply pin for the chip several hundred times per second (whatever frequency you're switching the transistors at) can introduce instability.
Can you do one of those wacky oil vapes you know what i mean? I alway wanted to see a cirucuit for lets a 510 thread battery like yocan uni pro. I know it can be simple but one with screen and voltage control. But either way as a software engineer and terrible electrical engineer at heart
Mother Robot: I'm trying to get rid of this fishy cooking smell but someone took my can of air freshener spray. Little Brother Robot: It's Grandpa. He says it unclogs his sinuses. @:-) #:-] Snort 8o] Ahhh..
Can you do a teardown of a Chinese rampant rabbit pink vibrator. they don't seem as good as the anne summers ones. much appreciated
Can you please make a video about cheap single use usb temperature data loggers? And is it possible to reuse them and replace the battery? They are about $5 for si gle use and $20 for reusable ones at aliexpress.
Olbas oill wow. I bet your room smells nice. If you like that sort of thing. 😂
@bigclivedotcom
10 ай бұрын
It was the easiest oil to find locally to test the unit.
Clove oil would be nice
Looks like the PCB "engineer" discovered the autorouter.
Olbas Oil is really good. You can inhale it when you have a cold, it really helps a lot! I use it, too.
I have an ultrasonic speaker. I wonder if it's easy to use that as an atomiser...hmmm
This has prank potential. 😈
Isn't it pretty much the same as the plug-in air fresheners with the little bottles?
@pasikavecpruhovany7777
9 ай бұрын
Afaik, those contain more volatile substance that evaporates just from heat but I'm not sure.
I want to send you a piezoelectric fan Clive needs a driver ... NOS from the 1980s
Do you dilute the essential oils with anything (IPA)?
@rapeanumadalin2314
9 ай бұрын
yes, He mentioned that few comments above...also the same principle of working he ecountered in another device, an older version...
We use "push pull" for shooting guns. Wonder why?
Would modifying for less often spraying be difficult?
@acmefixer1
10 ай бұрын
Some chips have a resistor and capacitor that determine the timing. But the chip has no identification so it's unknown how it works.
@ConstantlyDamaged
10 ай бұрын
Would probably be possible only by replacing the micro with your own (and programming it).
@georgescott6967
9 ай бұрын
It looks like it sprays when first turned on, so you could control it via a smart plug.
@nyetloki
9 ай бұрын
The schematic shows no external time related mechanism that you could mod (say replace a crystal or a resistor-capacitor timer circuit). So you have 3 options. Modify the programming (unnamed chip unlikely to reprogram or get original programming), replace the IC (would take some work to figure out the frequency its triggering the transformer at), or external control (wifi smart outlet).
Bit more Barbie dream house than gammon-coloured this time, eh?
Designed for cheap manufacturing. They also skipped on the back emf doides for those switching devices.
When are you going to do a ULEZ camera teardown? 🤣
So, what you're thinking is that because of the way this is designed that it might burn out the microcontroller?
Of course it's pink ...
3:43 how do the chips get programmed? Like how do the chips work? I've never heard anyone explain it.
@Broken_Yugo
9 ай бұрын
If you're ordering a zillion of them you can have the manufacturer "mask program" them, that is the memory section will be hard coded rather than programmable, baking your provided program in from the start. Shorter runs you just program them one by one in a chip programmer, or design the PCB to be programmed in a fixture before the product is assembled. If you're asking how the inside of a microcontroller works, that's a complex subject covering many topics.
@twoshirts1842
9 ай бұрын
@Broken_Yugo Thanks brother. That pretty much answers my question perfectly.
I want an atomizer for paint. 18v powered. For reasons.
Portable power bank bathroom desmellifier or alcohol vs tea light.
Omg.... Must have... Pure atnip oil!
Flamethrower Clive?
Looks like an ecig power bank etc lol and pink of course
Back in the 90's this would be a spy killing device
Do piezo elements generally need ac or dc to work?
@denisdrozdoff2926
9 ай бұрын
depends on what you want them to do. it just gets thicker or thinner based on applied voltage. You can have a micron resolution actuator by applying DC, or you can run AC and have mechanical vibrations of up to few MHz, which is enough to mechanically separate (like rocks in mining) /molecules/.
@nyetloki
9 ай бұрын
DC is just a very low frequency AC. AC is just very high frequency DC. But normally you use high frequency AC to move a coil back and forth for a useful purpose. That includes piezo.
Do you think the reason the bottle isn't bigger is that the disk over time smushes the wick?
@bigclivedotcom
9 ай бұрын
There's very little pressure on the wick.
@phonotical
9 ай бұрын
@@bigclivedotcom sure but over time?
Common brand of essential oils in France. They also sell neutral tablets for the safe oral intake of essential oils by the way. Which leads me to a question: Is it common/acceptable to ingest essential oils in the UK or not ? FYI here in France it's a very common practice that isn't more dangerous than the use of conventional medicines if proper safety precautions are taken. (One of which being not to ingest the oils in their pure form, hence the use of neutral tablets or a teaspoon of vegetable oil as a carrier among many others).
@bigclivedotcom
9 ай бұрын
I think they are usually safe in trace quantities, much like eating the actual herb.
I might get one and make it into an on demand and 3D print a case to hold a battery, I don't like how often it spurts, from time to time I have severe anxiety and lavender helps a little, I want to try and hack make something, for one and I can just💨 a little in the car or even to make going into the toilet less revolting at work, it's not filthy but they can't find where the stretch is coming from on breezy days and it's not always convenient to walk all the way to the other side of the plant😒😶😬🏃♂️😬🥴😳🥺
@bigclivedotcom
9 ай бұрын
It sounds like there may be an open drain like a floor drain or unused sink that has no water left in its air-trap. If that's the case, then pouring some water in will stop the smell.
Yes Clive it made a mouse fart 🙂
Video on a old polygraph machine? I seen a photo of one that was the size of a refrigerator! Show us how how silly and it's negligent use as evidence in the court room?
Could you use that with mosquito repellent or something?
@bigclivedotcom
9 ай бұрын
Probably.
@denisdrozdoff2926
9 ай бұрын
You can put a tea tree oil (or eucaliptus, anything that has sharp spicy/minty kinda smell) and it'll do the trick "all naturally".
Im sitting here watching this and acting like I understand what these components even are let alone what they do.
Pink smoker :)
What frequency dose it operate at?
@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer
9 ай бұрын
432Hz for maximum healing potential 😜
Can someone please explain to me why I have just ordered 5 of these 🤔
Microcontroller? LM324??