So insane, Steve's head grew larger

@nairbas392

2 ай бұрын

It must be all the new motherboard knowledge

@B_Machine

2 ай бұрын

It's due to VRM enhancements.

@RobBCactive

2 ай бұрын

No, they blew his non-Japanese capacitors!

@ace100hyper3

2 ай бұрын

That's his mind-blown face...

@AndrasMihalyi

2 ай бұрын

because he's living constantly upside down. Everyone knows that...

It's actually really nice to see a board vendor make toned down models of their high end boards. As you said, all the features with no fluff.

@bryndaldwyre3099

2 ай бұрын

This is why the past 15 years I've been going with AsRock mobos. They're really decent when it comes to features without giving up a kidney.

@VincentDangerWater

2 ай бұрын

And the fact that they all still look gorgeous.

@luissalguero686

Ай бұрын

So the Taichi lite is the same board as the Taichi but without the RGB lightning?

@dangerwr

Ай бұрын

@@luissalguero686 Yes

That Tim cameo was rather epic!

@danogier5969

2 ай бұрын

😆

Hardware Unboxed visiting Asrock. What a time to be alive!

@Hardwareunboxed

2 ай бұрын

Haha we did the same last year ;)

@Alexandra-Rex

2 ай бұрын

@@Hardwareunboxed It's still cool 😊

@iamperplexed4695

2 ай бұрын

You gotta shill who pays the bills. It's basically KZread gospel at this point.

@Alexandra-Rex

2 ай бұрын

@@iamperplexed4695 They're there to look at new hardware, and Asrock has it. What's shill about that?

@jonessii

2 ай бұрын

@@iamperplexed4695 you have no idea what shilling means, do you?

hoping to see "thanks Steve back to you Steve" this year!

@al3nmicl

2 ай бұрын

The council of Steves

@GewelReal

2 ай бұрын

The Stevening

That Taichi Lite is market research done well. This is EXACTLY what I would buy.

@XxAtomic646xX

2 ай бұрын

Yupp I bought a b650e taichi lite and its specs are ridiculous for the price.

@Tithulta1

2 ай бұрын

@@XxAtomic646xX That was my plan, but now im not sure if i should wait for the newer one lol

7:40 guy is happy as hell to be surrounded by tech, love it

@XenoLoop

2 ай бұрын

😁👌

@yibozhao1012

Ай бұрын

"tech" around consumer electronics is 20% about technologies and 80% marketing bs. If you are 20 and never excited about it you have no hearts, if you are 30 and still can be "happy as hell" about it, you have no brain :)

Wait, didnt asrock ban you from review samples? Im surprised their exhibitors didnt chase you off their space 🤣💀

@Hardwareunboxed

2 ай бұрын

We've been good with them for over a year now :) they decided we were cool again 😎

@sammiller6631

2 ай бұрын

Did EK Cooling get chased off their space? Is anyone going to interview them or are they hiding from their drama?

@ZeroHourProductions407

2 ай бұрын

@@sammiller6631 Asking the real question with this one 🗣️

@Rogerkonijntje

2 ай бұрын

@@Hardwareunboxed you always was cool monitor Steve

@sammiller6631

2 ай бұрын

@@Rogerkonijntje I miss Monitor Steve, :(

Steve with Motherboards with HIS reputation, what were they thinking :🧐

@a120068020

2 ай бұрын

I was very, very drunk 😂

27 110 amps for AM5 is crazy they could cut it in half and still power any chip that is coming out

@jayvee8502

2 ай бұрын

Yeah. Total waste of VRMs.

@guyfawkes8873

2 ай бұрын

Yea it’s beyond silly… I’d almost rather have the shitty doubled four phase designs back if that means pricing would come down to ‘normal’

@guyfawkes8873

2 ай бұрын

2990 amps, approx 3500W at normal voltages. Assuming the chips can operate at around 30% without any type of cooling, that’s 1100W… with the max power consumption in the CPU range likely to be 230W… So actually you could cut it into a four and probably have no issue. Without heatsinks on the mosfets.

@jayvee8502

2 ай бұрын

@@guyfawkes8873 Maybe Zen6 will have a 32core top end CPU. Could AMD have already told board makers to future proof the VRMs because Zen6 will have these amount of cores?

@TTL_Tsaki

2 ай бұрын

@@jayvee8502 Man, they can put out a 64core chip that requires LN2 to work and the 27*110A VRM would STILL be overkill.

27x110A that'd power a dual socket epyc system lmfao

@LiLBitsDK

2 ай бұрын

well Intel is the new furnace/volcano/sun... so I guess we can expect the new chips to use even more power...

@TTL_Tsaki

2 ай бұрын

@@LiLBitsDKThis config was for the AMD boards... Intel had a 31*110A config. What a waste of powerstages though. You can power entire server racks with these many Amps and they are wasting them on some 9950X that can be powered by 1/3 of this VRM with absolutely no problem...

@benjaminlynch9958

2 ай бұрын

@@LiLBitsDKgenerally yes, but supposedly Intel’s next Gen Arrow Lake CPU’s are being made at TSMC and should have the same power/thermal characteristics as AMD chips.

@TheHighborn

2 ай бұрын

@@benjaminlynch9958 you're joking, right? they're completely different architectures. How could they be similar. the biggest glaring difference is one is chaplet other is not.

@haukionkannel

2 ай бұрын

Maybe push power to gpu at the same time without any cables! 😂

All USB-C is a bad decision. Hopefully they walk that one back ASAP

Very underrated feature is that EZ Release lever for the PCIE slots. Don't have to worry about accidentally driving something through your $300 board while trying to unlatch your gpu

@chads7796

2 ай бұрын

FYI I use a chopstick to release the latch/GPU and it works well. PCIE slots are a hazard on current boards with these largeASS GPUS. Sometimes you can't even get a finger in there in smaller builds.

@konga382

2 ай бұрын

Kind of ridiculous that they only include it on their high-end motherboards when it's such a cheap and simple mechanism though. More artificial segmentation.

@kekoraaaa

2 ай бұрын

Eyyy chopstick brother! I stupidly used a screwdriver before my brain activated and have been using a chopstick since

@maxmustsleep

2 ай бұрын

@@konga382 on another computex video (not from hardware unboxed) i heard that Asus or similar has a patent on this release mechanism so companies need to work around that. but yeah i fully agree it should come with pretty much any mainboard in 2024.

@vigilant_1934

2 ай бұрын

@@maxmustsleep I can confirm my Asus ROG Strix B650E-F WIFI board has the patented Q-release I think it's called.

I really don’t understand manufacturers. First they massively underspend VRMs and got called out… now they massively overspec VRMs and get called out for silliness… I’m pretty sure 8 or 12 phase VRMs with current high spec 70 or 90A power stages are MORE than adequate. Why? Because I’ve seen setups with that kind of power handling on older HEDT stuff… so can we please get that? Not doubled 4 phase designs with crap components, not designs capable of pushing 1kW plus on mainstream boards, just something in between for normal people ty? And if we can still get post codes that’d be jam.

VRMs a few years ago: Underpowered. VRMs today: Overpowered. Let's hope in a few years they hit a healthy middle ground...

@XxAtomic646xX

2 ай бұрын

nah, keep them overpowered. cant hurt

@gorjy9610

2 ай бұрын

They'll just skip half of needed phases on mid-low end boards and make it even in the end.

@pseudonym5872

2 ай бұрын

They are simply re-introducing a similar trend from a long while back where several companies had ridiculous VRM phases. They aren't needed for anyone using standard air or liquid cooling (whether AIO or custom loop), but they might be helpful with competitive overclocking using liquid nitrogen or something. Mostly bragging rights at this point...

@Sopel997

Ай бұрын

@@XxAtomic646xX it does hurt. less efficient (as in electricity wasted) and more expensive

@XxAtomic646xX

Ай бұрын

@@Sopel997 bruh no it DOES NOT you dont know anything about electricity bruh lmao. a pc pulls power from the wall ON DEMAND and OP vrms mean more surface area for heat meaning more efficient and less chance to throttle. What youre saying is the same as thinking a 1600w PSU uses more electricity than a 450w PSU in the same system lmao

Very cool to have Steve and Tim traveling and show us stuff!

There is a disappointing lack of Debug LEDs on that crop of display boards.

@richard-davies

2 ай бұрын

It's 2024, we should be seeing small OLED/LCD debug screens as standard by now so they can actually tell you whats wrong or happening. I had this on my older Asus X570 Formula and it was such a handy feature.

@ThrasherEscapes

2 ай бұрын

a friend of mine quipped this week that it's become the most expensive 10 cent part on a board

@TheFeelTrain

2 ай бұрын

​​@@richard-daviesI had it on my X79 Asus board from 2012! I thought for sure it'd become standard in the future and yet here we are 12 years later. That board also allowed BIOS updates without a CPU installed which would be great for Ryzen but nope I guess we can't have nice things 😢

@sirmonkey1985

2 ай бұрын

@@TheFeelTrain the last two chipset series plus most of the 400 series have had cpu-less bios updating. even when debug screens were more common most manufactures failed miserably to give a full code list. at most you got a code for cpu, memory, or gpu initialization failure or not installed.. everything else was just blank or didn't exist in the code list. either way for 99.9998% of users the screens useless for them because they don't know enough to figure out what the code means and you end up going through the same troubleshooting process as a yellow or red LED lighting up on the board.

@dat_21

2 ай бұрын

You won't buy the motherboard for the purpose of debugging it. Speaker out/small leds are more than enough and has always been. The push for 7 segment LEDs is absurd.

Please show matx and itx boards if available :(

@ICmikeyP

2 ай бұрын

Literally none of the reviewers showed off the matx boards. Like try to stand out from everyone else at least, First channel I find that actually shows it all, earns a sub.

@vigilant_1934

2 ай бұрын

@@ICmikeyP Maybe none of those boards were interesting to them or there aren't many being showcased? I thought the X870E Steel Legend board looked really cool but Steve talked about the one under it instead. Looks like they just pick what they like which is fine. I'm sure we'll get reviews eventually.

Those are indeed some insane VRMs. Excited to see more X870E boards.

These MOBOS looks so tasteful

Either companies are just throwing ridiculous quantities of VRM's on there to lower temps and have something to market over their competitors or Intel's next-gen CPU's are going to double as space heaters.

@WaterZer0

2 ай бұрын

Nvidia: 450 watt video card Intel: hold our beer

@Frozoken

2 ай бұрын

seeing the same absurd power delivery is clearly on the new amd boards too it's fairly obvious which it'll be

@miha1999grobar

2 ай бұрын

You are PC gaming industry and there is two wolves inside you One is mobo manufacturer that wants to put enough phases to run 3 server CPUs on a consumer mobo The other one is nVidia that wants to shove >450 watts through a single undersized 12 pin power cable and burn your power cable or connector

*THANK YOU* for your coverage of ASRock at Computex 2024, Steve. 🙏🏼 (I can't seem to find much about their new stuff elsewhere on KZread atm. 😒) /subscribe 👍🏼

Were there any ITX boards or did i miss that?

@First-Name_Last-Name

2 ай бұрын

The ones at 9:40 (near steve left elbow) looks sorta ITX-ish, or I'm just imagining things.

@chads7796

2 ай бұрын

Agreed!!! ITX or MATX only for me. Honestly, I think MATX is the best right now as ITX is sometimes a bit too small (casewise) for the newer BIGASS GPUs. This GPU size increase from RTX 3080/90 to a 4080/90 is ridiculous!

@tringuyen7519

2 ай бұрын

@@First-Name_Last-NameI am concerned that ARL needs 20 phase VRMs in an ITX. How much power will ARL burn???

Nothing new on the ITX or DTX form factors? I know asus did the impact DTX board on x570

@steffenwei9926

2 ай бұрын

You can see some in the background

@Kokinkun

2 ай бұрын

I think the mini DTX form factor was a one-off type since it's super expensive and a low-volume type of product. I still use the X570 CH8 Impact with a 5900X and I love the unique form factor but seems like the trend is moving away from ITX and more towards mATX.

I was working at Montgomery Wards when we got in a Compaq PC with a 40 Mb hard drive, floppy drives for $1,300 (monitor extra). Remember Serial and Parallel ribbon cables and a case with 1 fan? Seeing this grow to a "Science Fiction" level has been a blast. Thanks Hardware Unboxed for what you do so well.

For anyone wondering about the board with all the PCIE slots. ASRock WRX90 WS EVO

I still have my original x370 taichi and it's rock solid and awesome. Currently running a 5700x3D

Really appreciate the shots of the spec sheets for the mobos. Very useful to be able to flip between and compare. Thanks.

The Nova looks really interesting.

hyped to do my 1st AMD build this summer.

@munshikaifur8010

2 ай бұрын

Wait for Intel arrow lake

@puffyips

2 ай бұрын

@@munshikaifur8010for lower amd prices? lol

@HoneyTwee

2 ай бұрын

Wait for Ryzen 9000X3D I mean unless you just wanna build something. Can't wait forever. But X3D chips really really help with unoptimised games. In games like star citizen or rust you'll see literally 2x the FPS by having an X3D chip compared to not. I got a 5800X3D and i wouldn't even want to get a Ryzen 9000 as losing X3D isn't worth it for the games that practically NEED it to run well.

@munshikaifur8010

2 ай бұрын

@@puffyips yes because Intel arrow lake will beat amd

@Xeonzs

2 ай бұрын

@@munshikaifur8010 lol nope, AMD's ryzen X3D CPUs have been king of gaming since their introduction, while taking 65-120TDP instead of 250TDP XD The last good intel generation was 11th gen, after that it was all trash, waste of sand.

Do the beefy VRAMs mean that the 15900K (or U15900 or whatever it'll be called) will run at 400 Watts?

Mini itx boards are sill a thing right Asrock?....

@chads7796

2 ай бұрын

I think we are starting to see less and less ITX than ever and more MATX. The GPUs just got to freaking big and you basically need a MATX case to fit them and at 3 slots at a minimum. ITX will move more and more toward custom water cooling for top-end GPUs.

@bazzingabomb

2 ай бұрын

@@chads7796 I think you might be right, as there aren't many itx cases with 3 or 4 slots. 3 slot GPUs now being pretty much the standard.

thanks for making the effort do do live coverage. its fun to watch and I appreciate it.

Heatsinks pop off instead of using screws. That's a great idea. Also love that pcie q-slot that's in use also. Now I dont have to use a stick of some kind to detach the videocard from the x16 slot when using large heatsink coolers.

i thought the X670E lineup was already so overpowered even at entry level? as far i'm aware they are just fine for a Zen 5 drop in upgrade.

@WayStedYou

2 ай бұрын

yeah no idea what they are doing dropping 27 110 amp in.... you could easily cover every release available on am5 with half as many, even on the intel boards it is overkill

@RNG-999

2 ай бұрын

My X670E Taichi already has 24+2+1 power stages. The X870E going to 27+2+1 is like.. literally zero difference. 10% more power stages dedicated to CPU, but that's so pointless when you ALREADY HAVE 24. It seems like X870E and B850E are just meant to be scammy upgrades meant to part consumers with another $400+.

@XxAtomic646xX

2 ай бұрын

Hell my asrock b650e Taichi lite is even beyond overkill for 9000 series ryzen. 24+2+1 Power Phase, 105A Ill be set thru ryzen 10000 lol

I will definitely get a white or white and silver x870e motherboard to go with a white 5090 and the x3d next gen chip and white ram to continue my white build.

I remember disliking Asrock for making super cheap motherboards but their Taichi boards have been my favorite for a while, CAMM2 Taichi sounds awesome.

I'm liking that Taichi Lite! Thumbs up.

Thanks for the update ! ... i'm already afraid of the prices for any of those boards...

Sounds like Arrow Lake will be 400+W. I hope Intel finally learned something though.

More! I saw Asrock had a big Arc display; was there any Battlemage news?

what's the point of crazy VRMs on AM5

@JMKarymidoN

2 ай бұрын

The same as intel: If you have enough cooling you can increase power limits and unlock extra performance, OFC, same as intel, your sacrificing some longevity and stabilty of your CPU.

@WayStedYou

2 ай бұрын

@@JMKarymidoN and 13 or 14 110amp is already more than enough to do that they basically doubled it for no reason or used much higher amperage for no reason

@WaterZer0

2 ай бұрын

My guess: new Intel CPUs use even more power, and they bought VRMs for the Intel boards and are reusing them for the AMD boards.

@benjaminlynch9958

2 ай бұрын

@@JMKarymidoNthe power stages on these boards can support > 3000 watts! That’s about 2x what the highest end PSU can support, and about 1/10 of what an AIO CPU cooler can support. This is beyond overkill and well into stupid territory. Like putting a rocket propulsion on a shopping cart to get through the grocery store quicker.

@exscape

2 ай бұрын

@@WaterZer0 The new Intel CPUs are supposedly a lot more power efficient as they are heavily redesigned (and on a new node). I wouldn't count on them beating AMD until I see evidence, but things seem to be looking up compared to the last few generations. Several thousand watts is surely extreme overkill regardless though.

What, 10 M.2 slots on that Taichi (03:05)? CPUs are rumored to have 20 PCIe 5.0 lanes, no? Do they support some kind of bifurcation that lets you "convert" PCIe 5.0 x2 to PCIe 4.0 x4 or how does that even work?

@MiG82au

2 ай бұрын

The 4 SSD card only uses 4 CPU lanes and I haven't heard of consumer boards bifucating into x1s so the card must have a switch on it and cost hundreds.

Looks like im not touching their boards for my next build. I absolutely hate that mobo manufacturers are pushing 7 segment debug readouts onto $400+ boards. They used to be common on ~$100 boards but now it's exclusively in a mid to premium tier even though it's a cheap add-on for them. It's genuinely infuriating that something so useful is being gated as a premium feature across the industry.

Those "lite" motherboards seem like a welcome step in the right direction. For too long have mobo prices been driven up by superficial fluff. Some people just want a strictly functional motherboard with little to no regard for aesthetics, before shoving it into a windowless case. Motherboards used to be like that.

Asrock has been killing it with their recent high quality products at very competitive prices.

Man that X870E Taichi gets me feelin different. Such a damn beauty.

Thanks for the update!

Why are there so many models available? Would it make more sense to have 3-5 models that meet the majority of needs?

@G0A7

2 ай бұрын

That way you are guaranteed to see the brand no matter how you search

Needs the 20 phase vrm for intels next gen cpus pulling 600 watts to match amds 105w processor

That is a lot of power phases? Marketing or needed? My concern is that Intel will suck lots of watts, vs AMD.

I remember seeing board partners put overly-beefy VRM setups on x470 motherboards. Some x470 boards could run the 2700x with the heatsinks removed, and the VRM's still wouldn't get too hot. I'd say this means Zen 6 Ryzen 9 processors will have 24 to 32 cores.

sucks to see so few PCIe slots on ATX boards, compared to say their ASRock Z77 Extreme11 from years ago; especially when CPUs back then had even less lanes. I really don't mind M.2 slots in general but the PCIe slots are much more versatile generally (and with expansion boards you can add way more) in that same board region, especially when other boards show how you can add those standard M.2 NVMe slots in the PCH area and also near the RAM region or even on the rear of the board. With ASMedia or similar switches, you could have 5-to-7 slots (even if x4 that's fine) and still have multiple M.2 slots, and a bunch of I/O still.

I like the looks of the white boards. If there's more choices for white boards I might have to look into one when the times comes. Also, if you're someone who owns a mouse and keyboard with a removeable cord that Intel' boards problem can be easily solved by replacing cable with one that has usb type-c plugs on both ends. :)

at 5:41 - no I'm not wondering where to plug in my wireless keyboard. I am wondering where to plug in God's Keyboard, the IBM Model M

@SuviTuuliAllan

2 ай бұрын

If god were real, it would certainly prefer to immediately interrupt the CPU with each keypress.

@First-Name_Last-Name

2 ай бұрын

Incoming dad joke, you've been warned: Plug it on the USB, Universal Serial Bible

@Tautolonaut

2 ай бұрын

@@First-Name_Last-Name Sooo is USB-C the Catholic version?

@ealtar

2 ай бұрын

let me guess .... this was an idea from an EX apple employee

While talking about the CAMM board, you only showed closeups of DIMM slots :/ I'd have really liked to see what the new stuff looks like!

5:33 I was like yeeep thats my future mobo until I saw this C'mon bruh

I've had board problems over the years with every maker... except ASRock. I love the Taichi's

So they just downgraded the Pro and Steel Legend series. They literally removed an M.2 slot from their previous gen and just looks like a straight downgrade, besides the general X870 upgrades, of which, only the ram support applies to me. I guess the X670 is now the X870 midrange.

Steve is the definite name if you wanna horoscope for a child with technical clarity.

Solid looking designs from Asrock once again. If these Z890 boards are anything to go by Arrow Lake is going to really push the power envelope more than ever. Too early to say but motherboard vendors I bet aren't being cautious with regards to the VRMs.

Since I'll be waiting for the 9800X3D, I'm more curious about any future B-series AM5 boards coming out.

I've been convinced to choose ASRock for my next motherboard. I've seen too many issues coming from Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte lately.

@EhNothing

2 ай бұрын

It's what I did, and so far I've been happy. Got the B650E Taichi Lite and am pleased with the cost/features

More coverage on the entry and mid level boards would have been nice

Hoping for a new ITX mobo 🙏

Can't find a single motherboard that isn't absolutely goddamned gorgeous.

definitely like the quick disconnect m.2 covers on the asrock boards.. about dang time some one did it.

Me with my B450 board with 4 phase VRM with tiny heatsink:

All the ASRock Taichis looks delicious😂

25 power stage 110 amps .... That's a beast, and will out live the CPU

I'm glad they're offering the Taichi E Lite. I want an EATX for a Fractal North XL build. But I don't want a ton of RGB in it. Maybe just one or two elements.

New chipsets on both sides means... MARATHON VRM TESTING VIDEOS!

Great coverage! Would like to see more mATX and mITX board coverage as well.

I love the lightning and pro rs designs, simmilar thing was seen from gigabyte before, but moving pcie from below a gpu is always good to see

Hope the cordless trend continues by moving all the connectors to the rear.

Crazy how you only have 1.03M subscribers, should be higher.

it's sad that so many techtubers insist on saying "USB C" to the point that I want to acknowledge you actually saying "USB Type-C". Well done, Steve.

God I'd love to go to Computex I really would I'd be a proper geek to check all of this new stuf

Any boards with built-in 10GB ethernet?

Gotta watch till the end for the cameo. Not going to time stamp it. Gotta see it to believe it

Yea, more power hungry Intel CPUs! That's what everyone wanted.

why is the chipset z870? and not usually z890 after the z370 came the z390 because intel came out with a higher powered chip, so they are doing something the same again?

8:19 is that Brian of TYC?

Can you elaborate on lack of CPU liquid cooling for TAICHI Aqua? Would it still support liquid cooled AIOs?

Oh no! Looked away and almost missed Tim in the back being funny!

Tim had his meds hes happy 😉👍

Thanks Tim, sort of thing I would do, a way of showing thumbs up for the boards? I know you will tell the truth after testing 😁

I've quite liked my Asrock X570 Taichi, so I'll probably go with one of the X870 Taichi boards for my upgrade. I just hope they aren't super expensive, some of the board prices now are a joke.

Given all this power and density, any ITX news worth sharing for future motherboards ?

5:40 considering 99% of peripherals don't use Type-C to connect to the computer... hm...

Thank the lord! Boards that don’t double as Christmas trees!

What the hell is with the camera guy? Steve talking about CAMM 2, camera shots everywhere EXCEPT the thing he's talking about. UNBELIEVABLE!

@Hardwareunboxed

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your feedback. That said I don't agree, I think the camera work and quality was excellent. Love Steve.

@johns250

2 ай бұрын

@Hardwareunboxed Hugs all around. You guys are awesome, anyway.

I am still on the X570 Steel Legend and it probably one of, if not even THE BEST motherboard i've ever had. Can't wait to see the new X870E Steel Legend and even more impatient to get it... And thanks to small things like the barely working polychrome app and some other minor software inconveniences these mobos go for way cheaper than an equivalent tier mobo from the likes of MSI or GB.

The display placard for the Pro-A Wifi says "One Type-C Port" but it actually has two?

Shall we say more insane? The present crop of most motheboards are insane!! I cannot fathom why manufacturers overkill VRMs. My GA 670 has Twin 14+2+2 Digital VRMs, 60A. It seems that if you can embed 4 cpus in the motherboard and a GPU sli in tow, it would run easy peasy.

Taichi is fire this year

Will the better VRMs improve DDR5 stability at higher speeds? AM5 has been very underwhelming for that.

@drewnewby

2 ай бұрын

Zen 5 does support higher speed DDR5.

Wild Tim sighting at 10:00 or so

Certainly liked the new Amd boards, wonder what the costs will be?

Oh man, I am so KEEN to see what B850(E) ITX boards are coming out!