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This is quickly becoming my favorite watch related content. I really like Tom and Andrew it is a pleasure to get to know you more in this show.

"It never occurred to me that an Indian person would write a book" Spoken like a true Brit

@geoffwatches

2 жыл бұрын

A true Englishman, more like, plenty of British Indians who know of Indian literature 😉. Also Andrew, never heard of the kama sutra?!

@marcosuavito6881

2 жыл бұрын

I can't believe he said that so casually.

@DevasKnight

2 жыл бұрын

Next he might say "It never occurred to me that Indian's play cricket."

@qwill8254

2 жыл бұрын

As always pride come before the fall

@MuhammedZaidAlam

Жыл бұрын

He is humble enough to accept and adapt, he’s definitely better then them old brits

Love the new format and content. A little more relaxed and obtainable. Still thoroughly enjoy the original too. Great job on both!

Glad you doing more of these . Great content !

That thing rocks! And as someone who repairs vintage watches, I would love to see what's going on in the inside!

@NathanChisholm041

Жыл бұрын

Ill save you the trouble there gears inside! You're welcome...

This is such a good subject, and the watch is amazing at that price. I guess it comes down to what the watch means to you. For some, having something that is cool, interesting and quite unique is what appeals. For others, they want to identify with what the brand stands for or portrays itself as. The newer Chinese brands just have this part of the ownership equation missing.

@a3marketing991

2 жыл бұрын

It's Chinese, so I'm out. It looks very interesting though.

Can I just say that I really appreciate these conversations. Very entertaining and educational at the same time.

I have a Seagull Tourbillon, its my every day watch and its pretty brilliant, it even keeps good time if you wind it every day (it can last about 40 hours but after about 30 hours it starts to loose time).

It just keeps getting better. What a trio!

Thanks for the video. It is very interesting. I think one very main issue is reliability and durability as you've mentioned, and that relate to whether there is acceptable maintenance support. For example, I am really interested in this Phantasos and the Cigna design you mentioned in another video, but I'm based in Hong Kong, and while much of the international brands, whether expensive or not can provide maintenance support locally (even Swatch can provide support locally within warranty perid, though they might just give you a new one), there is none for these two Chinese brands. And this goes to all those who like to try these Chinese watches but not based in China.

Wasn’t crazy about the xeric sattelite hours. The urwerk rolling block wandering hour was always the coolest take on that complication to me and yet so out of reach. This changes everything 😂🎉

Normally these kind of watches don't interest me because of the lack of accuracy in the movement and sure, +/- 10 seconds isn't too bad but they did adjust it in 5 positions which is very admirable. It shows they know what they're doing and I do love Urwerk. This one looks like my next buy to be honest, I really like it

NOT to call out the stutter at 3:20, but as a stutter myself, I’m immensely proud/pleased with the recovery / “return to fluency.” But more importantly just happy to see someone not afraid of their stutter and choosing professions that may easily “illuminate” it. lol sorry, no one else may’ve noticed, I might be hyper aware / tuned to it

Great content as usual! - thank you guys 🙏

I really liked this video! I teach the business of luxury and lifestyle industry and always challenge the students to see further than just our domestic brands. Chinese brands like Shang Xia are backed by French Hermès and show outstanding design, quality and philosophy. The same goes for India. Hopefully one day they’ll become a part in the upscale landscape.

I think the all-silver one on a black strap looks pretty dope. An avantgarde, quirky, fun piece for a reasonable price.

I now own two Phantasos watches. I liked the first one I received (blue dial) so much I bought a second one (black dial with green numbers). The quality is good. The style and finish is top notch. The customer service is poor. There are just a couple people managing the whole thing and they are overwhelmed. Emails have a long delay in reply. I ordered the first watch in spring and it took 2 months to get the watch. I ordered the second watch in the fall and it took 3 months to get the watch. They warned in the fall they were having quality control challenges and didn't want to send out faulty watches (I'd prefer functional to problems). They included a free strap on the second watch as an apology. So, if you're patient you'll get the watch and if you get the watch... you'll enjoy it thoroughly.

@mastermindmanagement6190

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, the only difference in my story is that miraculously, I was able to contact the CEO (Jon or John) via phone…still was slow though…I went black pvd with a free strap and I bought the strap pack.

Very nice watch. Really enjoying these quirky designs. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

You guys crack me up! Quality timepiece banter, thanks gents.

We might be on a brink of a change. These watches might give Orients and Seiko 5s of this world a run for the money. Maybe this is why we see Seiko moving upmarket with their latest Seiko 5 revisions? It seems to be the beginning of something new. Times might be changing.

I got myself and a friend the Zeroo T4 from their Indiegogo campaign. I haven't picked it up yet from my friend's place, but I'm really excited to have a tourbillon. It's a Chinese Tourbillon in a watch assembled in Japan, and it didn't set me back $30k minimum, so I'm stoked.

Another great video with such an interesting content. What a cool watch... Thanks a lot! Greetings from Munich, Germany!

Bring on the quality build to the same as Swiss, German and Japanese and Chinese watches will be a player in this game, but they will have to compete by slowing down the mass production process to make their watches very unique. Once that problem is solved, then I’m sure that Phillips and Bacs will be happy to auction those prize catches.

I own a Pagani Design watch and a couple of Parnis watches too. They look good and they work. Only time will tell how they hang together and keep functioning.

So how do you know which of the 3 pointers/arrows is pointing to the correct minute marker?

For the 1st time watching one of these videos I may actually buy one of these because they are avaliable and not hugely expensive

It is also Kickstarted. I backed this. Not even a watch enthusiast, but I liked the design so much so decided to get them. Did not know about Urwerk until 5 minutes ago!

It's about time someone is doing these exotic watches for an affordable price. I aways wondered why know one made these look alike watches. I'm excited they did.

Great topic presented in an honest and balanced way. Progress… we all get better, we all win in the end.

I actually received my Zeroo Time T3 & T4 Chinese tourbillon watches yesterday and I was blown away. I was expecting junk. I bought them because I saw the Watchfinder review back in November of last year. Chinese watches have come a long way. I own an 38mm AP Chronograph with the ruthenium dial, and I can honestly say, that even though Chinese watches aren’t AP’s, they are certainly not far away. All they need to do is become better with the finishing. Now for this triclops lol……I may give it a try just to add to the collection 🤷‍♂️

the finishing and quality of the san martin brand on aliexpress is superb to be honest. insane amount of watch (on the outside) you get for the money. But they are Homages (most of them) so not most people's cup of tea

Thankyou Watchfinder. Please show some of the full crystal watches there are.

How come i cant find any Atowaks on the secondary market? considering picking up their new cobra (launching 27th oct 22) but only if theres a chance i can sell it in the future.

Sirs, those watches are truly unique......right. It is so refreshing to see completely DIFFERENT methods for inferring time. i like how to READ the time on those examples. many thanks. Somehow, visually, i feel that those watches actually display TIME in a better way than any traditional watch has done. Thanks.

In Ovid's Metamorphoses, Phantasos ('Fantasy') is one of the thousand sons of Somnus (Sleep). He appeared in dreams in the form of inanimate objects, putting on "deceptive shapes of earth, rocks, water, trees, all lifeless things

your favourite watch brands definitely have parts made in china. you still trust these brands because they do assembly and final qc in japan/germany/switzerland etc. so whenever china feels like it, they could elevate their qc game before exporting and slowly start to change their reputation. i work in the commercial renewable industry. i can tell you solar panels coming from china are already at ultra low fault rate while maintaining a very competitive price. the same thing is probably going to happen to watches sometime.

I spat my drink when he said $600, and chocked when he said $160,000. As someone whose previous watches all basically boiled down to "included free in every cereal box;" this is a whole new mind-boggling world.

That Phantasos is incredible! I need that in my life. I've reviewed a decent few of these actually and really enjoyed them

@djz2308

2 жыл бұрын

there's no Phantasos video on your channel

@JasonTheWatchGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@djz2308 I was referring to the likes of Atowak, Ciga etc. Not the Phantasos, sorry.

@djz2308

2 жыл бұрын

@@JasonTheWatchGuy ah, bummer. Would be nice to see one in the wild.

We should make an association to ask a brand to make a watch close to the Urwerk without unnecessary complications...

There is no way to justify urwerks price when stuff like this are on the market.$160000?thats crazy

Worked in China for 3 years doing wholesale leather/shoes. Problem for them is their consumer mindset of brand being all that matters. This is why the luxury brands do well and why they buy defunct western brands to revive because of their heritage and history.

*I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD BY* some of these and road test them for a year - that would be really interesting...

‘I like big bevels and I cannot lie’. Sir Mixalot: ‘hold my watch…’

This reminds me of the Xeric microbrand which has been around for a little bit (2013) and costs $1.5k

Hi guys, brill video, where can you buy one of these watches.

Is there any way in the previews to make it clear up front if we're getting one of those great super cool video's or just two microphones chatting of which one is not so interesting...

Great video and interesting food for thought. A little more than double this one, the Xeric Vendetta is something very similar.. although it has even more rotating number blocks at the ends of the 3 arms.. haven't quite figured out why it has so many number blocks? But, it seems to essentially tell time in a very similar way to these watches you've shown in this video.

I actually like this one. Wonder how long they quote for delivery nowadays (Shanghai…?)

that urwerk looks sick, i would totally believe someone wearing that if he told me he came from the future

I am old enough to remember how so many people were disgusted with these Japanese Watches. Well I happen to buy several Seiko's in the Virgin Islands while working there. Well fifty two years later and many dips into the Caribbean Sea my Seiko's are still working. No they were not diver watches, just cheap (relatively speaking) good looking self-winding units. So I would be very concern if I were a Swiss watch maker. Some of the new breed of Chinese Watches are damn clever. Yes I will be looking at purchasing a few in the near future if we don't go to War with the World.

You can get the Phantasos with a sw200 for $150 more - I bought one because I can’t afford an urwerk. It’s a fun watch imho

@CrimsonEsso

2 жыл бұрын

How? Their store doesnt seem to have movement choice as option.

@TulipEddy

2 жыл бұрын

@@CrimsonEsso I believe I saw it on their chinese retail page. It did provide a movement option

That's pretty cool, and I'd probably never be able to afford a real Urwerk, but there's something about the design of the Phantasos that just looks a little cheap/tacky. Maybe it's the slotted dial or something about it that just isn't cohesive, or reminds me of a toy speaker or mini fan grille unfortunately.

@sandmans

2 жыл бұрын

And any watch, reminds me of any other watch, because in the end, all of them have the same function. Telling time. Mind blown...

That is an incredible watch for an incredible price. I want one.

Have a look at San Martin. I bought one, a homage, they do make original designs as well. Not OTT watches you would never wear but good quality daily tool watches. After all, most people who work for a living, have a job. I don’t mean those who can afford high end watches because money comes easy when they extract it from hard working people, under the guise of a “profession” I digress. Plenty of watch reviewers seem impressed with the quality and specifications for the price.

Didn't Swiss watch making get started from other countries exporting their manufacturing there? The constant exporting of work to China means that expertise is also being developed and curated, so it is perhaps not very surprising to see higher quality watches or other merchandise starting to also be made in China.

I love this show it reminds me of science mystery theater 3000

received my watch recently, as advertised, but there is basically no service team and they don't really respond to emails

Gorilla Watches came out with a similar version to what the Phantasos a few years back. Would be interested to hear your thoughts on their watches.

Rudyard Kipling was an Indian author.

Xeric made some ridiculous claim about how many vendettas they were going to produce too. Unless they can get a tooling up for almost nothing, that can’t be true.

Omg I have to buy one

I backed this on KS so I should get mine in a month or two. The company produced a couple of wandering hands watches but this one really caught my eye. Looking forward to getting it in hand.

@sinkitlim8572

Жыл бұрын

hi. how was it thus far ?

@CyberSammael

Жыл бұрын

@@sinkitlim8572 I love it. I got the Viridian on a bracelet. The finishing is above any KS watch at that price point. Very happy with mine, and I would pick up a second if I hadn't already backed another Wandering Hour watch recently.

@sinkitlim8572

Жыл бұрын

@@CyberSammael wow.sounds like an amazing deal. thank u

@sinkitlim8572

Жыл бұрын

@@CyberSammael how do we go back to them if something goes wrong with the timepiece ?

@CyberSammael

Жыл бұрын

@@sinkitlim8572 They have an email to contact and they seem to be pretty good about QC and returns... although I haven't had to test that.

HW Opus series watches are out of the world

Very interesting watch.

If I were one that enjoyed the funky, Urwerk design, I'd probably go for this watch.

Buyer beware! No sign of delivery after 3 months. Live chat not working and company does not reply to emails

DO NOT PURCHASE. I fell for this piece and went to their website for purchase. I later found out this brand has 2 websites which is already fishy, and both of their customer support emails are not responding to any of my inquiry. At this point Im pretty sure I'm scammed.

@Manc-fh5we

Жыл бұрын

Waiting 4 months now. No reply to email and live chat doesn’t work.

Making innovative, interesting, accessible and cost effective products is always great, no matter what country they come from....As long as they are made well and work of course! And China is somewhat like Japan in the past....who also had rocky industrial start, but steadily refined, improved a got better in every aspect of product design, development, marketing and manufacture....and most importantly quality control. China's rapid growth is because they already had the core skills base and capacities .. so a lot of western companies set up direct technological and manufacturing partnerships there....and that has dramatically impacted and helped China make huge leaps and gains in a very short time. The only real issue and problem Chinese companies face internationally is that unlike the Japanese companies Chinese names and branding often just don't translate, sound or look right.

I love the chinese automatics, ive got pagani skeletons, winner automatics, A Geya Gmax AP homage. Its a good market for the humble beginner watch collectior.

@respina1254

2 жыл бұрын

Going vintage is a good move for beginners too. Lots of lost Swiss brands that used to be worth their salt circulate around the internet and while searching for them, you'll find tidbits of cool watch and brand history. I find it to be much more fulfilling coming from a former replica advocate myself.

Hello 😙 Greetings from Greece. Love your channel 😉 And your narration 😙😊 Is it true that China buy the old used machines from Rolex and other companies like miyota Seiko etc. Modify or reverse engineer them?? I'm try to find data🤔

@panosvrionis8548

2 жыл бұрын

@r2l100 true 😁😁

Still don’t understand how to tell the time on the Phantasos.

It would be great if you make review like this to have the watch available so we can actually see it. Quality is the main question.

@iomarcoumberto

2 жыл бұрын

Not available yet, delivery will be after june 30 2022

One thing that no one seems to discuss when talking about Chinese watches is the conditions and exploitation in these factories. If a tourbillon is made at a 600 dollar price point, that's not a good thing. It just shows how underpaid the workers are.

@mitchmitchell9588

2 жыл бұрын

You make an excellent point in a succinct way. Perhaps few will want to discuss, but let's keep raising the issues nonetheless!

@alectang1614

2 жыл бұрын

Not all Chinese companies underpay their staff. Sure, they get paid less in China but that's because the price of goods in China is also lower. A salary of £800 a month in China buys you a lot! There's a reason why China's economy at PPP is the world's highest - they can afford most things in China with the amount they earn there. Unlike the US and the UK etc.

@mitchmitchell9588

2 жыл бұрын

@@alectang1614 You are right. Some companies in China don't pay their workers at all, like in Xinjiang. Some workers get free housing. They can sleep on a mat on the factory floor during COVID lockdowns. It's great!

Andrew and Tom, did you buy them?

The hard work is thinking up a new style. just copying it is easier even with some upgrades or changes

Very interesting watches. China has been producing various tiers of quality goods. Based strictly on quality they will eventually match or surpass the current respected regions of fine luxury timepieces. Although, like a lot of people's hang-ups regarding Seiko not being Swiss, there will always be those that will regard a Chinese made watch as inferior simply because it's not Swiss.

I'd rock it probably. Way before a diesel or a fossil that's for sure. But I would sooner rock a prx. $679 now on their website, you pushed the price up $80 with this video! Maybe.

I really love crazy watches.

Urwerk {insert model here} is my grail watch. I'm tempted to buy one of these, but the finish looks quite bad ..

Someone is spamming the comment section with a fake account

These look like batman would wear them :D Love the unique take on watch design :)

I was working several years in China and they have some good watches, but this one doesn't ring my bell... For me it looks like a Frankenwatch, put together with bits and pieces of other watches, crowned with a big fat logo (glow in the dark as cream on the pudding). Yes products made in China can have really good quality, but they are not (yet!) there when it comes to overall product design and brand message. If the companies making these watches will survive and can learn, they can produce great product in the future once they find their own identity. Great video though and thanks for covering these kind of watches 👍🏻

Look , a watch still tells time. It always comes down to the eye Does it dazzle the senses I've owned clocks watches that did this. When the watch does teleport Then that will be something people will clamor for

this is an interesting discussion. Thank you for bringing this onto the table. As a gen z Chinese, myself, I always forget and ignore those homegrown brands and feel this fake hype about the Swiss made. Not to argue who makes better watch, but reflecting on my own purchase choices, now I rly found myself didn’t contribute to a healthy and fair watch market and certainly am lack of respect to those real in-house watch markers in China, as they certainly deserve, especially given the reasonable price. But the demand to the global fake watch market is def never going to disappear or even stronger than the real ones, which means there will be someone of Chinese factories to produce all the fakes. So supporting all those non-western in house watch makers to not be overshadowed by those fakes is crucially important as a watch lover.

@hathaway.1166

2 жыл бұрын

So, what do u think abt the new Atelier Wen watch?

Bought one of these today, 14/07/22. Will write a little review here when it arrives and I've worn it a few times.

@trumptookthevaccine1679

Жыл бұрын

Do it

@Manc-fh5we

Жыл бұрын

Waiting 4 months now. No reply to email and live chat doesn’t work.

@WhiteAngloSaxonMan

Жыл бұрын

@@Manc-fh5we from what I've read that is quite normal. Their customer service is shit. Hang in there mate, you're further down the line than me.

@Manc-fh5we

Жыл бұрын

@@WhiteAngloSaxonMan Thanks for your reply Peter. I’m not so much concerned about the actual delay. More the non functioning live chat and not replying to email queries. It doesn’t bode well for if there are any actual problems with the product if and when it ever arrives.

@WhiteAngloSaxonMan

Жыл бұрын

@@Manc-fh5we I know what you mean and my Mrs is getting very twitchy and talking about pulling the plug, but there are some reassuring reviews on reddit. I'll try and forward a link.

Fist ever in all my engineering terms I've herd " the mechinal sausage " I've placed an order as love the odd things in life

What's the watch with the earth as a dial? I'm interested in that one

@pauldavies8041

2 жыл бұрын

Ciga Design "Blue Planet".

Anyone remember the Monty Python sketch about gangsters (maybe it was the Piranha Brothers one), in which a shady character tells someone over the phone, “we’ll have the watch ready for you at midnight. The watch… the watch… the Chinese watch.” Nowadays it might actually be a watch!

I am loving the Chinese watches. They will be the most sought after watches within 10 years.

Selling for £1600 in the UK or $1000 direct from them

Lot of these watches go under the “things to not waste your money on now” category. Would rather save my cash for the one thing I really love.

You’re probably too young to remember Japan’s auto and electronics reputation as it built up in the late ‘50s to the ‘80s. The same thing will happen with China.

Some guy was upset I wasn't driving fast enough, so he cut me off, and screamed at me to suck his Harry Winston. I have a feeling he wasn't talking about his watch.

You’ve never heard of Salman Rushdie?

I can tell you I was at Geneva watch days and I met Urwerk and it’s an amazing brand with an amazing quality so the price he is justified

Xeric released a wandering hour watch similar to this last year. It is an excellent watch and arguably better looking than this one.

@archiegoodwinjr

2 жыл бұрын

I am in agreement, but Xeric's is much more expensive. Does Xeric use discs the way AP and Urwerk did? This Phantasos appears to use tumblers similar to more recent Urwerks.

@stevenschrader5674

2 жыл бұрын

@@archiegoodwinjr Yeah, I agree, the retail price of Xeric are more expensive due to their home location being the US. They do often have exceptional launch pricing though. The Vendetta (wandering hour) retails for $1,500, but at launch it was $750. I bought the Rose gold one and the craftsmanship is exceptional for a "cheap" watch. The hour rotators are slightly different in that they're positioned on a wheel rather than a drum, but the concept it the same.

The tide has turned at least for replica watches. Maybe you will see some Chinese brands soon that you want to buy.

Intrigued about the future for mechanical sausage automata…🌭

$679 US BTW