Troy Tempest: Some pronunciation tips - North-rop not North-rope. H-O not Ho 229. Göring - Ger-ring, 1000kph - 625mph not 620. I'm glad you're deferring to metric and then Imperial. Reimar Horton, in German you always pronounce the second vowel, so Ri (rye) mar. 2 cannons not two machine guns. The Germans did know the British had radar during the Battle of Britain, they attacked the radar towers often. Junkers is Yunkers (J pronounced Y), W is pronounced V. A squadron is 16 planes, one squadron would not have had any realistic effect on the US bomber fleet. They would have needed hundreds of them. Hope you do a video on the Me 163 Komet, worlds first, and only, operational rocket fighter! Hail!

@FoundAndExplained

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for these mistakes :) I have learned for next time!

@thatboifat6303

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they just keep getting better at one point we just might think it's real

@uingaeoc3905

2 жыл бұрын

You missed 'Ho IX, as 'Aitch Eye Ex' instead of 'Aitch Nine' ie Roman Numerals.

@jackburton9035

2 жыл бұрын

I might also add that two 30mm cannons being called "hardly packing" a huge understatement considering that in testing the mk 108 was able to cause critical damage with only a few shots. Though I do understand that there is a subjective argument to be made on whether multiple smaller calibre machine guns would have been better considering mass on target.

@blu5021

2 жыл бұрын

It’s alright!

I'd like to try some of those Luftwaffles...they sound delicious.

@Tagishlicht

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had to do a rewind and hear that again.

@MrTruehoustonian

2 жыл бұрын

Luftwaffles with chicken with maple syrup and whipped cream those are the best dang Germans always coming up with the craziest concoction

@dirt_ripper8734

2 жыл бұрын

I like my Luftwaffles with fresh blueberries, a big dip of vanilla ice cream and sweet maple syrup. 😆

@coco_killua3057

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh unfunny as hell

@dirt_ripper8734

2 жыл бұрын

@@coco_killua3057 unlike your genitals, yo ex said they funny as hell

A 30mm mineshell has the equivalent in explosives of a hand grenade. There were tests done by the allies. A single hit on a smaller plane like a fighter was always listed as "lethal" or "probably lethal". Even on heavy bombers, a 30mm mineshell caused severe damage to the structure and ripped parts off. Naturally with the lower cadence and less ammo carried, they'd more often be used against large targets. 30mm guns were ideal for intercepting bomber formations.

@jehoiakimelidoronila5450

2 жыл бұрын

Hence some German aircraft adapted as/for interceptor role carried the MK-103 in gunpods while others carried the -108 internally.

@nebunezz_r

2 жыл бұрын

Specifically the testing was done on a Bristol Blenheim, pre war British bomber

@keck4022

2 жыл бұрын

A-10 Warthog be Like

@dennis17116

Жыл бұрын

The point is the technology was far superior.

@tufflucal4037

Жыл бұрын

@@dennis17116 Hello. I would like to let everyone know that, the H-229, is not THE Nazi secret weapon or a lot of you may call it. Yes the developement of this aircraft is very real, but It is a cover up to what the Nazis were actually planning under the surface.

"Hardly packing" *Twin 30mm machine cannons capable of blasting an aircraft in twain with mine shells*

@alexander1485

2 жыл бұрын

Just machine guns ya hurred

@DiverWithTheBends

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexander1485 Pardon, 30mm is in fact a cannon caliber. The german nomenclature use MK to denote a machine cannon (or at least that is the literal translation) compared to what would be described as a machine gun (which in german nomenclature was below 15mm, although maybe one of the 20mm cannons used MG in its designation)

@IshijimaKairo

2 жыл бұрын

MK = MaschinenKannone MG = MaschinenGewehr, pretty simple

@DiverWithTheBends

2 жыл бұрын

@@IshijimaKairo Thanks m8, I just didn't want to butcher the spelling of maschinen because I... don't speak german lol

@leneanderthalien

2 жыл бұрын

none Horten flying wing was armed and only some prototypes did fly, all the rest is pure invention...and the 30mm german air cannon was pretty bad: low accuracy, low reliazbility, the 20mm Hispano Suiza HS404 (french design cannon (use on Morane 406 and Dewoitine D520, firing trough propeller shaft), adopted from the Brits with some mods to fit in the wings) was MUCH better...

Jack Northrop was obsessed with the flying wing and was working on the design before the war. His company had a few test beds, like the flying ram, working during the war. Oh, and the XB-35 was developed all through the war. I think somebody else first designed a flying wing and Northrop and Horton just happened to be working on parallel projects. Kind of like Goddard and von Braun and the Russian rocket scientist whose name I can't spell.

@Presbiter

2 жыл бұрын

Difference is, the horten brothers got their plane flying stable without the assistance of modern secondary computer systems

@BrapBrapDorito

2 жыл бұрын

@@Presbiter So did Northrop… ever heard of the xb35 and yb49?

@Presbiter

2 жыл бұрын

@@BrapBrapDorito So did he? Well you might want to look up those two planes again...and chances are high that you will come across a section about technical issues those two planes had in particular...

@BrapBrapDorito

2 жыл бұрын

I know about the technical issues, but those did fly. Also don’t act like the 229 didnt have technical issues too. Nearly every early flying wing had trouble flying, 229 included. Even our modern flying wings like the B2, B21 and the XB47 drone are still inherantly unstable and need constant adjustments from the fly by wire systems to keep them in the air.

@Presbiter

2 жыл бұрын

@@BrapBrapDorito Look man, that is exactly my point. Those Horten brothers sure had also tech difficulties, but they pulled an amazing thing, that has never been done again in aviation since they did it... they got their tailless plane stable without modern flight assisting systems.

Really cool vid man, the 3d renders are getting better and better each day! Would be cool to see the 229s bigger brother. The ho xviii

@njcummins

2 жыл бұрын

Wait till the end of the video

@jesseservin4012

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes the Amerika Bomber.

@halogeek6

2 жыл бұрын

So the 229.

@px1_

2 жыл бұрын

@@halogeek6 nah, it was hortens entry into the "amerkia bomber" project, competing with messerchmidts me264 and foke wulfs modified-fw200, it resembled a 229 but significantly larger

@halogeek6

2 жыл бұрын

@@px1_ yeah I just got done reading up on it. Not afraid to admit when I was wrong.

I think that the narrator woefully underestimated Jack Northrop and actually gravely insulted hum. History is filled with inventors developing the same idea at about the same time who were unaware of each other's work, Both Horten and Northrop were great designers but Northrop did not obtain the Horten design data until after Germany's defeat

YB-49: I am the first jet flying wing! Horton Ho 229: *“am I a joke to you?”* Almost everyone: *y e s*

@DonVigaDeFierro

2 жыл бұрын

"Yes. Yes you are".

@deadly_0125

2 жыл бұрын

its the YB-35 & flew in 1941 , the YB-39 is a variant u idiot , check Northrop N9M

@captain_commenter8796

2 жыл бұрын

@@deadly_0125 jeez dude it’s a joke, stop getting mad

@santiagoperez2094

2 жыл бұрын

@@deadly_0125 horten brother prototypes where in the air though all the 30s.

@santiagoperez2094

2 жыл бұрын

@Brian Roome that joke almost defeated 7 world powers, provided the technology for all the cold war, the moon landing, transonic flight, fuel refinement, international mass transport, nuclear reactors + bombs and intercontinental flight.

Very detailed proud to see these channels which show everything in detail and also explain in detail

@petrovivanoff7377

2 жыл бұрын

even though he gives out incorrect data? I suggest watching Military Aviation History on the HO 229 as his information is correct Sadly this guy keeps referring to data thats false It's definitely an interesting and fun channel but sad and annoying when he uses bad sources

That looks like it would fit into Ace Combat if you replaced the cockpit with a drone control system. I love it!

@grisom5863

2 жыл бұрын

It's even happening now.

"... hardly packing, only carrying two 30mm cannons." lol Wut? That's a very powerful armament, a single shell from either of those 2 cannons would be enough to completely destroy most fighter aircraft. At the very least, it would put a very big hole in it. These were relatively fast-firing fully automatic 30mm cannons for their day too, so even just a few seconds on target would be enough to inflict catastrophic damage. I don't think you have any grasp on just how powerful 30mm cannons are.

@user-Xx0xxxxx

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, 30mm minengeschoß shells could nearly sever the tail of bombers in a single hit, the only reason it could be said to be not too powerful is because stuff like like the Me 262 had 4 30mm mk 108 autocannons and also 2 20mm MG151/20s

@Nafeels

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-Xx0xxxxx Preach. Those M-shells were known to rip Allied bombers, and that’s coming from a single MK-108 on a Bf-109. The only downside maybe was the equally powerful blowback from the autocannons, which rumbled throughout the fuselage. They weren’t called “pneumatic hammers” by pilots for nothing.

@nebunezz_r

2 жыл бұрын

If it's the MK103 30mm gun then it is indeed underwhelming since the build quality was kinda shit so they have to use smaller propellant causing slower muzzle velocity, if it's the MK 108 then it's a different kind of beast in itself.

@13deadghosts

2 жыл бұрын

@@nebunezz_r Nope, the reason for the low muzzle velocity is the short barrel, wich is only about 0,5m long, giving you about 500 m/s at the muzzle. The barrel was so short to cut down on space and and weight. The MK 108 is about 88kg lighter and 1,2m shorter than the long barreled MK 103. Both guns share the same projectile, but the MK 103 30x184 Borsig cartridge holds much more powder then the 30x90 RB MK 108 cartride, as the short barrel cannot take advanate of the additional powder. That both can use the same 30mm Mineshell also shows, that the very thin wall of that projectile was not the limiting factor for projectlie speed. For comparison, the MK 103 muzzle velocity was 860m/s compared to the 545m/s of the MK 108. This also allowed the effective use of AP Shells aggainst tanks in the MK 103. The build quality was not the problem in the MK 108, the short barrel was. But it was also supposed to shoot at slow moving bombers, and not at fighters, thus, the low muzzle velocity. It was a trade off, and the germans traded muzzle velocity and rate of fire for the maximum bang per weapon weight. If you want to look up a really cool late war german weapons project, look up the MG 213/20 or MG 213/30. That aircraft gun would have fixed almost problems of the earlier guns. High rpm (1000 rpm for the 20mm), light weight (56kg) and high muzzle velocity (at least for the 20mm version). That gun was in fact so good, that every one copied it :P Even the board cannon on the eurofighter (BK27) can trace itselt back to this gun. Have a nice evening :) Oh, and sorry for my autistic info dump, that is a subject i am really interested in.

@skycladobserver9246

2 жыл бұрын

@@13deadghosts Ho 229's sporting Mk 103s would have shredded B-17 and B-24 boxes. Then imagine them getting retrofitted with the MG 213/30s. Glad this amazing airplane never got into the fight...

6:12 I know what you mean but for every German it sounds like "Luftwaffel" which means "air waffle" in german

@majikkskates9084

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one hearing this

@eklhaft4531

2 жыл бұрын

I thought he said it on purpose. I am not even german :D

@Rose_Butterfly98

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds very long light and fluffy, absolutely delicious

@JK-tj6ie

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rose_Butterfly98 😂

@norbertderiro9458

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, what a shame, I don't have a waffle licence....

The term "bell shape" refers to the lift distribution of the wing not the actual shape of the wing. It is what makes it possible to fly without vertical stabilizers. The very nice german word for it is: Glockenauftriebsverteilung

@Bearthedancingman

2 жыл бұрын

It's brilliant too.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

The First flying wing was the Northrop N-1M

@toastyovens8777

2 жыл бұрын

@@WaukWarrior360 not really

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

@@toastyovens8777 It's an objective fact. So yes really

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

@@toastyovens8777 The N-1M flew in 1939. The Ho. 229 flew in 1944

Much gets made about the.Third Reich’s various technological advancements, particularly it’s aircraft innovations. But let me relieve you of the notion that, if only they had entered service, it would have altered the outcome of the conflict. Short of the Reich developing atomic weapons, (which they weren’t), they were doomed. Not V weapons or jet technology was ever going to be sufficient to overcome the manufacturing advantages that the Allies possessed nor the shear numbers of boots on the ground that the Red Army had.. Suffice to say, that also lacked the one essential ingredient of any offensive enterprise; leadership. Goering was largely nursing his morphine delusions and preening over his stolen art; and hitler was equally deluded and in the final analysis, a corporal trying to manage the task of several field Marshalls. Their lack or resources, particularly oil, and their increasing reliance on slave labor to build their aircraft and missiles was all but a tacit admission of failure. They were doomed from Stalingrad forward.

@scottkrafft6830

2 жыл бұрын

Still insane that they were essentially 50 years ahead of even the United States. The B2, which is very similar, didn't come out until 1997. 50 years is absolutely indescribably HUGE. Very, very scary to think about what they could have done if they had the means. And this isn't even mentioning the prototype spacebomber, the Silbervogel.

@iansneddon2956

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottkrafft6830 Where do you get this 50 years nonsense. Look at the flying wing bomber the Hortons were claiming to be trying to produce. Not even a prototype. The Nazis might, with a massive expenditure of resources, managed to design and build an aircraft to match the B-29. Maybe. The Me-262 had performance characteristics that exceeded that of the Gloster Meteor, except in reliability and service requirements. An Me-262 returning from flight would need significant maintenance before it could fly again. Gloster Meteors were famous for being able to land, receive new ammunition and fuel, and take off again. The Allied technology comes off less flashy because the Allies were not throwing prototypes into production, they were throwing well engineered equipment into mass production. Because they fielded them in such numbers and they worked so reliably, the B-29 seems like a regular routine aircraft. But it was one of the most advanced aircraft in the world (perhaps the most). The development of the B-29 consumed such research and development resources that it might be considered a second Manhattan Project all its own. But where Allied technology really shines is in the Battle of the Atlantic.. You put resources into where you need technology. For the Allies, it was in countering the u-boat threat. In 1943 Germany introduced snorkels that would allow diesel engines on u-boats to be run while the submarine was submerged, in an effort to cut down on u-boat losses. Didn't matter much. Advanced aircraft mounted radar along with other technological advances (like homing torpedoes) had doomed the u-boats. Shipping losses were falling rapidly while u-boats were being lost about as fast as they could be produced (and faster than replacement crews could gain experience. If you said that Germany was even 5 years ahead of the U.S. I'd say you were exaggerating. Germany was ahead in some technologies, behind in others. There was no prototype Silbervogel. It was a proposed design but was considered too complex to be able to develop into a functional plane. Germany might have been able to build a Silbervogel if they had not been so short of resources and had found some way to drag the war out into the 1950's, and if the engineering challenges for the craft were not too difficult to overcome.

@carlosandleon

2 жыл бұрын

Much like real life, the good guys are generally doomed to fail.

@jfangm

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottkrafft6830 But they WEREN'T 50 years ahead of the U.S. They weren't even 5 years ahead. In many ways, they were a decade BEHIND the Allies.

@edwinyoung2719

2 жыл бұрын

@@iansneddon2956 you do realize the Smithsonian has one of these very planes in their aircraft collection the very first prototype was crashed on its 10th test flight two more flying example were actually built one of which is the aforementioned Smithsonian example

Again, i KNOW i'm going to be roasted for my german names in this one. I'm so sorry! Please forgive my inbox!

@eduardo-bx4hw

2 жыл бұрын

Yeas

@joshdill27

2 жыл бұрын

It’s ok

@francis8197

2 жыл бұрын

luft waffle

@windi3798

2 жыл бұрын

"goethe wagenfabrik" is the original name of the plane construction site ^^ sometimes they give you horrible wrong written name of some places :D

@MrShrog

2 жыл бұрын

I m German. You do it fine

In San Diego California you can see the Horten 229 model that was created for the History show that was about its supposed stealth characteristics. It's a impressive model that shows how large the fighter/bomber was. Kinda also gives a idea how it would look like in the air as well.

One thing, Jack Northrop and the Horton Brothers were working on the Fling Wing concept at the same time. Jack Northrop had conceived of the idea from gliding seeds from a tree species. Neither Northrop nor the Horton Brothers knew each other. Northrop started working on the Flying Wing design long before WWII as a test bed for both passenger and military aircraft. During WWII Northrop had made several versions of all wing aircraft, including rocket powered. One design was strictly a ramming aircraft with Titanium reinforced wings designed to cut through another aircraft. Northrop had made several small single seat prototypes. One being the N9M that was restored and flying for several years. But unfortunately crashed during a practice for an airshow and was lost. There are several videos on KZread of that Wing, here is one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/noeal7aRj6nJcto.html Though this information would help you. BTW, there was also a French designer that made a type of flying wing that flew in the early 1900's. It wasn't a full wing though, as it still had a tail for stabilization. But it didn't have a fuselage. The pilot sat inside the wing.

@Wowflunky

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, most of this rarely talked about. Germany did have a lot of firsts, but the flying wing wasn't one of them, though i will admit i didn't know about the french one.

@EIBBOR2654

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wowflunky The Flying Wing has always been a fascination of mine. I think the first time I saw one was in the 1953 movie of H G Wells The War of the Worlds when I was just a kid. There are only a few short senes showing the Flying Wing, but I though it was beautiful and wondered why nothing ever came of the design. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l6els7qKadGdpZc.html Up until the internet started to get big, it was extremely hard to find any information on any of the Wings. Though I did find a model as a kid and the first book I found was in the 1980's. In that book, they say that the actual weight that the Wing could carry was still classified information and the USAF C-5 Cargo aircraft could carry less than half that. But there's information out now that has several weight lifting figures. How much of that is true, I don't know. A few years ago I picked up 2 big model kits of the X/YB-35 and the YB-49 from AMT at a local Hobby Store. I'm trying to get the model of the Horton HO 299. Ironically the same model designation of the Boeing B-17 (Model 299) when it was first designed. But since the F-117 was developed, the Flying Wing design of Jack Northrop was re-investigated and the B-2 was developed, Soon the second version, the B-21 will start entering the Air Force. But you are right, that Germany was the first to develop many things. Though the British and the Germans were working on the Jet engine at the same time, the Germans had the better design. The British, Whittle Jet Engine was a centrifugal jet. Much like how a Turbocharger in a car compresses air by spinning it out to the side. I worked a few T-33 Jets that used that type of jet engine, the J-33 engine, while I was in the USAF. One of my favorite German Jets was the HE-162 Volksjäger. Though there were problems, mainly with the glue for the wooden parts, I believe it was superior to the ME-262. It just came out at the very end of the war to be any good. BTW, the Italians made a Jet aircraft just Before WWII, It was more of a deducted fan than a jet engine. They used a piston engine to turn the compressor. It did fly and Italy had a few in service at the start of the war. But the performance was bad. Check that one out sometime, it is a real oddity that worked but is even less known than the Flying Wing.

@matsv201

2 жыл бұрын

There was plenty of flying wing aircraft back really until the dawn of aviation. In effect the wright brothers aircraft is a flying wing, because it have a canard its also in effect tailless, but not canard less. What confuse it a bit is that people assume that flying wing is tailless, that is not really always the case. Northrop had made a tailed flying wing already back in 1928. That wasn´t that strange of a concept. In 1917 the Burgess-Dunne biplane was sort of tailless also, and kind of sort of a flying wing.. or wings. In 1931 Lippisch made the Delta I a sort of blended wing hybrid that was tailless. Both Northrop's early wings had fins added, making them not true tailless flying wings. The YB-35 sort of looks like a mix of a Lippisch delta I and the 1928 Northrop flying wing. Because the Delta I was not only pre war, but also pre Nazi Germany, there is a good chance that Northrop know about it. Its no secret that the Horten brothers was inspired by Lippisch.. both being German. Comparing YB35 and HO 229, its really the tail... sort of, of the aircraft that is diffrent. Most other parts predates second world war.

@Wowflunky

2 жыл бұрын

@@EIBBOR2654 holy crap, i was not expecting that much, thanks for the link though gonna check it out here in a bit.

@Wowflunky

2 жыл бұрын

@@matsv201 i knew that there were many planes that fit the flying wing description but i always simplified it by saying if it had vertical stabilizers (tails) it wasn't a flying wing. Yes over simplification as there are gray areas in everything...but it did allow for the it's a wing and it's damn close to a wing folders. that's why in my book there are very few actual flying wings.

Germans did know about radar as they also had radars themselves. What they did not know was Downing air defence system that would guide British fighters towards German bomber formations.

@felixschrider9037

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but they didnt know how to nullify Radar. they didnt have the knowhow to create a stealth plane, nor the money, time, equipment, manpower or really anything.

Jack Northrop was fascinated with flying wings before ever knowing of teh Ho-229

Content is so good, keep up the great work man!

The use of wood for construction was due to the shortage of aluminium and skilled labour to work with. The mentioned stealth wing was a sandwich construction with charcoal and wood flour in the middle of the sandwich with wood forming also the outer shell. But this wing wasn`t built due limited time, as they had to skip the wet wing concept, due to the lack of fuel resistant glue. The Horten IX is comparable to the Mosquito regarding stealth and construction material. Low drag was one goal of the Horten brothers. But to make their wings controlable they choose to use a bell shaped lift distribution, which produced more drag than an eliptical lift distirbution. So there were no gains here, but the Horten wings were among the first flying wings which were controlable. The redesign from Gotha Waggonfabrik was nothing major. The major redesign occured before, as the dimensions from the engine changed from 600 mm in diameter to 800 mm height and 600 mm wide due to changes in the placing of accessories. The wing span was increased from 16 to 16.8 m and the wing thickness rose to. The critical mach number was expected at 0.75 and the stall speed of V 2 was 150 km/h. The characteritic form of the trailing edge (called in the video "bell shaped") was due to the effect that a swept wing produces less lift in the middle as expected (Mittenefekt), and as a simple solution they increased the wing area in the middle. I just took an old book (Nurflügel, ISBN 3-900310-09-02) from the shelf to look after some of the mentioned details above.

Proud to say that they were developed by the two Horten brothers (from my hometown) and test flown on the Hangelar airfield, one of the oldest airfields in the world, which is just down the road from where I live and where the GSG-9 (Germany's anti-terror unit) is also headquartered.

@mach1553

2 жыл бұрын

Cool! 👍

That’s why the “tail” is called a “vertical stabilizer”…

@richardpatton2502

2 жыл бұрын

@Jimjimmyjames Smith two words for you: “differential drag”. But unfortunately you can only do that using computers. When the pilot presses the “rudder” pedal in a B-2 he’s basically just telling the computer nervous system that he wants to yaw the plane. Then those systems decide how to go about it. Moving different control surfaces, maybe even the engines, to fulfill the pilot input

They have one of these in the Udvar Hazy air and space museum in northern Virginia. It is a genuinely amazing piece to look at. Both for how it looks and it’s size. It literally looks like a toy in size compared to all the conventional WW2 planes. However it also looks positively otherworldly compared to the conventional aircraft. Truly amazing.

I just wanna say your team's animation skills are always on point, please tell them that they are appreciated. Some channels make cheesy 2d animations but yall are good

@FoundAndExplained

2 жыл бұрын

considering its just me... thank you! I do it all myself

That intro was sick! 😀👍

I took photos of the horten through the large windows that separate the museum and restoration center at the Udver Hazy museum Duelles. . This was three years ago. I was shocked I thought it was still in storage.

@SCRB1GR3D98

2 жыл бұрын

When I went in 2017 it was openly on display out in the open area next to the Arado jet bomber. Glad to hear they are restoring it

@irondiver2034

2 жыл бұрын

@@SCRB1GR3D98 I have got to get back there. I just want a better camera.

Ho 229 Flying Wing is only one of so many innovation from Germany during ww-2. The flying wing is a breakthrough in aerodynamic. Other innovation is Messerschmitt Me-262 the world first operational jet fighter, V-1 Flying bomb and V-2 ballistic missile.

In a biography of the Horten Brothers that I read, it said they only joined the Nazi Party so their designs could see competition. If you were not a member, than you could not compete. They also admitted to "following" the exploits of American flying wing pioneer, Jack Northrop, in all of the aviation magazines that they read.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

True, the Northrop N-1M was built before the Ho. 229

@user-hr1uw4cj2z

2 жыл бұрын

@@WaukWarrior360 Wtf no one cares stop spamming it

I was lucky enough to see a hull of the Ho-229 and other german flying wings in Washington, D.C. It was so amazing! Edit: It is in the Smithsonian museum! They also have the Enola Gay, the DO-335, and a komet.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

Did they display the Northrop N-1M (the first flying wing, not the Ho. 229) or any other advanced American aircraft besides a B-29?

@blu5021

2 жыл бұрын

@@WaukWarrior360 yeah, there was some F-14 and late cold war jets, and a gyrocopter? (Plane with helicopter rotor) a flying platform, and I think the N-1- I might have a picture

@tobiasfreitag2182

2 жыл бұрын

@@WaukWarrior360 neighter of the two is the first flying wing. The hortense build there first true flying wing, the horten h-1 in 1934. Turing the röhn glider competition of that year that plane completed a flight lasting 7 hours. And even that plane most likely can not claim to be the first flying wing, depending on your definition of a flying wing

@tufflucal4037

Жыл бұрын

@@blu5021 The H-229, was impressively thought out design in the 40s. But it is far from being called the Nazis secret weapon. This wing aircraft now plays a role of a cover up of something more cunning.

Pity this was spoilt by the pronunciation and naming errors. The original Horten IX plane was built in an autobahn maintenance facility on the outskirts of Gottingen. The building still stands and I visited it a few years ago. By then there were no workers there that were old enough to know anything other than a plane had been built there. I took my jet turbine powered model Ho IX there and took some photos. Prandtl was a professor at Gottingen in the 1940's, there was a wind tunnel there are a university aerodynamics facility. As others have explained he was the man that gave the theoretical explanation of the reason that the Horten deigns flew. David Myhra's excellent book " The Horten Brothers and their all-wing aircraft" explains how the Horten brothers developed their ideas from models to full size gliders. It appears that Prandtl didn't believe that a flying wing would be stable from the theory as it existed at the time. Apparently he was told about the Horten brothers successful designs and immediately got hold of them at the Autobahn workshop and they arranged a demonstration of one of their earlier designs at Gottingen airfield. He was amazed that the brothers had a very stable design and it was against current aircraft design theory. In effect they had got there by trial and error over many iterations of designs and not by following theory dogma.They found stability improved with wing tip twist and the flying wing had increased amounts of twist compared to 'normal wing designs of the period'. Turning the plane needs a differential aileron movement and the Ho IX used Friese ailerons that caused more drag to assist turning. Interesting that is the some of the approach taken by Space X in the design of their rockets. Failure can yield up much in the design of new ideas and perhaps allow a leap forward. In the book there are some wonderful contemporary photos of the making of the Ho 2-A in 1934/5 in the family house in Bonn with the wing tip poking over the top of the dining table with plates and food on it! Going back to the Horten aircraft my own model was designed by some German friends of mine used a sophisticated computer model. This helped ensure that it would stand a good chance of flying, but very few models of the Ho IX have flown successfully. We had over 30 flights but our confidence in the design was shaken when one day the plane just tumbled when it suffered a complete flow breakdown over the wing and it literally tumbled. Fortunately it was flying high enough that eventually control was re-established. One thing we found was that large nose wheel being at the front of the plane tended to steer the plane and we had a rule not to lower retracts until we were on finals. Interestingly a similar order was made with the full size. Personally I think the original design may have had flaws that may have gone against it. Eric Brown the well known British test pilot knew many of the leading German aircraft designers of WW2 as well as Goering. He was based in Germany before the start of the war. He flew the Horten IV glider and would like to have flown the Gotha Go 229 but the plane was not developed enough to risk finishing and flying it. The engines were unprotected and very close to the pilot. Eric was the only British pilot to fly the Me 163 under power and he flew all the german jet designs at the close of the War. John

The earliest example of a functional flying wing that I can think of are the ones designed by John W. Dunne, the D.5 through D.7 series especially, which was back in 1910 in England.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

The Northrop N-1M was the first true flying wing.

@owenshebbeare2999

2 жыл бұрын

@@WaukWarrior360 Yet evidence d8sputes this. I know Americans always want to be first, but the facts say otherwise.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

@@owenshebbeare2999 Except it's an objective fact that the N-1M was the first true flying wing. No Fueslage, no tail and was under its own power.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

@@owenshebbeare2999 You're faulty presupposition is predicated on the misnotion that you have any credible evidence to dispute what I've said and the mistaken belief that I'm an American.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

@@owenshebbeare2999 My refutation of the falsehood is motivated by the fact that Germans and those synthetic to the Nazi cause always want to pretend Germany was more technologically advanced than is evidenced

I was thinking of saving this video on my liked playlist so I could guarantee something nice to watch while eating dinner, but screw it lol I can’t resist watching a Found And Explained video right away.

@ijulesy

2 жыл бұрын

lol, i'm the same but managed to resist and enjoyed watching it with my lunch :)

Nice WW2 video! Horton Ho 229 is an AWESOME choice. The animations are getting more and more realistic!

@Pgb633

2 жыл бұрын

It's called Horten not Horto

@captain_commenter8796

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pgb633 my bad

Your animations get better from time to time

A thing to note, people have checked the Horten's radar signature and found it wasn't THAT different from normal aircraft at the time

@user-xu2pi6vx7o

Жыл бұрын

It was reduced by about 20%, which isn't negligeable.

@marw9541

Жыл бұрын

@@user-xu2pi6vx7o Okay, then what I mean is they used old radar technology and say no noticeable difference in rate of detection

@Pan5836

5 ай бұрын

Actually your wrong. Northrop did a radar test on the aircraft and found that if a horton was flying close to the surface, combined with its speed and reduced detection, allied aircraft at Britain would have only roughly 2 and a half minutes to respond which wouldn't have been enough time. Flying close to the surface was a strategy employed by the German airforce.

The way you pronounce "Junkers" makes it feel like that company specialized in dumpster diving and building cutting-edge tech out of scrap metal

@saalkz.a.9715

2 жыл бұрын

And what about the "Looft Waffle"... 😂

By far my most favourite experimental WWII warplane next to the J7W Shinden. There's something so menacing about a flat slab of a wing travelling at subsonic speeds before decimating a WWII Allied heavy bomber within seconds. In an era where jet engines only lasted about 25 hours before needing a replacement, and mechanical tricks to carefully balance a plane without any help from computers, the Ho-229 was a very radical wonder weapon that surpasses the Me-262 in almost every aspect. Today the aerodynamic benefits of a blended wing design is known within the aerospace industry, that contractors such as Boeing and Lockheed swore by it and developed both manned and unmanned flying wings. I would love you to make a video on the B-21 Raider some day, which honestly looks like a 21st Century version of the Ho-229 that's just as big as the B-2 Spirit.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

The first flying wing was actually the Northrop N-1M and the Norhtrop XB-35 was also more advanced than the Ho. 229. Meanwhile the P-80 shooting star was a superior jet fighter compared to the Me 226 and the B-29 was the most advanced aircraft of WW2

@Nafeels

2 жыл бұрын

@@WaukWarrior360 More advanced? Nah man, more like different engineering solutions. As much as I love Northrop he used a completely different aerodynamic technique to solve a tailless design; he used a butterfly flap that would deploy automatically when the plane banked beyond a set of pre-determined angles instead of relying on very precise (and very German) calculations for a teardrop-shaped trailing edge like the Horten brothers did. Flying wings have a special place in my heart for how radical and clean it is. Also, the P-80 was single-engined with the engine buried inside its fuselage, making for a clean aerodynamic design but a complicated maintenance especially early jet engines which would typically last about 30 hours before needing an entire replacement. It wasn’t as fast as the Jumo-004 powered Me-262 but it was more agile. Like I said, different aerodynamic approach.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nafeels Even with a Jumo-004 Engine the Me 262 had a top speed of 550mph compared to the P-80s 600mph. In addition to that the P-80 also had a longer range, higher flight ceiling, was more maneuverable as you mentioned, had more payload capacity, double the armament etc. Also considering that the J-33 engine was more reliable than the Jumo-004 and jet engines are serviced at airfields instead of in combat environments the ease of access to the engine isn't as important.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nafeels The "teardrop" trailing edge of the Ho. 229 did not lend itself to greater aerodynamic stability. The Ho. 229 was to use elevons and spoiler as controls where as the Northrop designs consolidated the elevons and spoilers into "clamshell" controls. In addition they could be employed automatically as you said. Further the Ho. 229 never even flew. Also, if "very precise, very German calculations" were a real thing then German equipment from the war wouldn't have such a poor reputation for reliabilty. As they say, "if Germany invented the paperclip, it would have 11 different moving parts".

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nafeels So yeah man, more advanced.

Is there any chance you could do a video (or series of vids) on what is call Luft' 46? It's very much inline with this and your other types of video's.

13:55 small mistake, the sound is cut off. other than that, amazing video as usual. I am very interested in channels like yours, such as mustard or Curious Droid, but none of them come close to your quality, and the fact you are covering all of these amazing machines in good detail, aswell as the historical facts around them

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

The Northrop N-1M was the first flying wing.

Is no one gonna talk about the Captain America reference 🤣? "Failed due to its massive Vibranium..." Cuts out 🤣

Point of fact: The HO-229 was NOT a stealth aircraft, nor was it "difficult" to detect. Modern tests on the aicraft using radar emitting wavelengths similar to the U.S. Chain Home radar system of WWII found only a 20% reduction in detection range compared to the Bf-109; and that was with a reproduction fuselage that lacked engines, metal framework, fuel tanks, or engines.

The intro movie is probably flawed: the 229 had 30mm cannons and would destroy the bomber on the first pass. It wouldn’t turn so tightly either, as the huge wing bled speed and you would only get it back quickly by diving. A pilot would conserve his momentum- its his defence. Also, the wood construction made tight turns at speed risky.

@michaeldunne338

2 жыл бұрын

When were the 30mm cannons installed in a Ho 229 capable of powered flight? Considering one plane did only 3 or 4 powered test flights before crashing?

@mach1553

2 жыл бұрын

Wood plies would be stronger and would sustain a hit better than metal.

Vne is a structural limitation, has noting to do with the ability to cruise at 1000kph. The Horten did not use the bell shape lift distribution Al Bowers talked about. The Bell shape was primarily the innovation of Prandtl, not the Hortens.

1. The Horten was to be armed with cannons, not machine guns. 2. Aircraft YAW, not Yawn!

ima sum some stuff up that's is incorrect through out all of this 0:56 the statement that the Ho 229 was undetectable on radar is outright incorrect the ho 229 was perfectly detectable on radar even when Northrup tested it along with they only make it off wood while the real ho 229 had steal tubes going through it make it less radar efficient also im pretty sure the horents whole center "fuselage" was made of metal 1:23 the statement "the original flying wing" is incorrect its may have been the first jet powered one but not the first the first one was actually N-1 M made in 1929 ( first flying one from memory but there where designs that were alot older ) also they made loads of gliders before hand like heaps not just hornets may i add 2:00 ok im not to sure about this but if someone can correct me here please do. those part can still create lift its life putting your hand out the window of a car while its moving your had will be forced up but i will agree it wont be near as effective as the aerofoil 4:50 thank you for correcting your self 6:40 i have not clue about the competition thing but i would like to add at the time Herman Goering would almost except anything placed on his desk he even exepted a rocket powered plane for god sake and a ph**king tornado gun 11:20 oh this statement i can kinda agree with but compared to other jet aircraft at the time the ho 229 had the average ( german comparison ) amout of armerment the me 163 had dule 30mm the he 162 had dule 30mm's but sometimes had those changed out for dule 20mm's which was more common dule to lacking ammo for the 30's the me 262 often had 4 30mm's but i will had more than one round of the hei-t ammunition was enough to take out an aircraft although fire rate bullet velocity was extremally slow 13:04 i would never call the german late war planes cutting edge more hopeful rushed and poorly made through nothing but a crippled county 13:25 Northrup didn't grab his ideas from the horten brothers he had been making flying wings log before 14:15 ok the idea that Northrup got the design idea for the B2 from the Ho 229 is extremally incorrect its more likely taken from the xb-35 as they had never heard of the ho 229 till they were asked about it which is when they started testing the radar signature on it 13:35 he didnt have the idea ether there where designs for flying wings all the way back to right after the Wright Brothers 16:13 cough cough me 262's and the he 162 im not going to nitpick on pronunciation as ive seen that through all the comments and ive seen your correct you slef ine the comments also please correct me on any of these statements :)

I've actually gotten to see the surviving example of this aircraft at the udvar-hazy center. It was so cool.

Great Vid , the Ho229 is whacker of a Design for its day , wouldn't mind a Kit like those in the CG Study table .

At 7:45 you state that the high aspect ration of the Horton's wing contributes to its stability against stalling. Not so. The major design feature which does this is the sweep back of the wings which gives a horizontal control moment. In addition washing out at the wing tips causes the inboard wing to stall whilst the wing tips are still not stalled and so can continue controlling the aircraft. Also the the centre of the wing will fall causing the plane to descend, picking up speed, and emerge from the stall. A high aspect ratio wing is indeed more efficient than a low aspect ratio, but aerodynamic effects are not the be all and end all of aircraft design. A high aspect ratio wing is inherently less structurally rigid than a low aspect ration and will need to be built with more structure to make it rigid enough. It is important to remember that a flying wing design could not be made practical until the advent of computerised control systems which could not only deal with aerodynamic control inefficiencies, but also with structural flexibility.

Can we get an episode on the BV-141? That was a very strange asymmetric plane

There is anthor Horten Gotha Flying wing called P60C redesigned by Dr. Huehnerjager you can watch it at Rechlin Germany. Dr. Huhnerjaeger enhanced the horten wing to an easier to produce and easier field maintenance. The Dr. Huehnerjager P60C design used the engines in a vertical mounting under and above the wing fuselage.

Great video, would love to see even more of the German WWII planes done in upcoming videos!

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

The Northrop N-1M was the first flying wing.

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

Here's a good playlist I've been compiling that has alot of advanced American WW2 aircraft

Funny that many of the first UFO sightings reported in the US after WII and before Roswell described flying wings type of aircraft. Hell I even remember a former pilot who draw what he saw and I remember thinking it looked almost exactly as the Horten 229!! Edit: the name of the pilot was Kenneth Arnold, and he reported his sighting in 1947, so it can definitively be a sighting of a test aircraft like the Ho 229!

@afterlife697

Жыл бұрын

Fascinating story I was in the United States, Air Force auxiliary, and I specifically study, advanced and unique aircraft design and let me tell you the US Air Force. Will try anything There’s a lot of crazy stuff that people don’t know about if you can think of it they have probably already tried it. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least, if they built an exact working model of a Ho.229 and we’re flying it.

@mafiousbj

Жыл бұрын

@@afterlife697 I think the story was that they brought the prototype from Germany for testing after the war, or built one from the original plans. I remember they also tried a literal flying saucer the Avro VZ-9 Avrocar. In a way it is also fascinating to think that most UFO may be experimental aircraft made here on Earth! Edit: the US indeed captured a prototype of the Ho 229, which now is in storage in the Smithsonian!

@afterlife697

Жыл бұрын

@@mafiousbj I completely agree with you in fact, the educated theory amongst us aviators is that the Roswell crash was an experimental spyplane, and the government created the alien story to cover up for the experimental testing with it.

that Junkers design you showed was not a flying wing. it was a forward canard configuration with vertical stabilizers.

Amazing video, as always!

A woman I knew, now deceased, was involved in the project to build the flight simulator for the B-2

"Luftwaffle" Ok we're done.

And she is a beautiful airplane! Bring her back!!😭

Henschel Hs 130 might also be an good plane to feature in the future - Highest flying plane in WW2

*Love this video !!!That looks like it would fit into Ace Combat if you replaced the cockpit with a drone control system*

The HO-8 winged bomber is another fascinating aircraft intended to be an 'Amerika bomber'. It's essentially an upscaled horten -229 designed to carry a nuclear payload.

@michaeldunne338

2 жыл бұрын

Doubt it was designed to carry a nuclear payload since Germany was nowhere near developing a nuclear weapon, let alone figure out delivery.

This old design is still deadly.. Has room to be engineered to be more efficient

@laszlokocsi1825

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to fly a slightly modernized version of this, and if the engines can be made more fuel efficient why not made it to civilian use?

@barrierodliffe4155

2 жыл бұрын

It was deadly back then to any pilot unlucky enough to fly one, fortunately only one experimental version ever flew briefly and of course crashed killing the test pilot

Modern, Filipino twist here: -engines replaced by general electric j85 (afterburning) turbojets -guns replaced with a pair of m39 20mm revolver cannons (BECAUSE the 30mm guns are no longer in use for a very long time; to make up for lethality, high rate of fire will do). Or the Mauser BK-27 27mm revolver cannon (used in planes like j-39 gripen, sepecat Jaguar, of the retired Panavia tornado) -AESA radar small enough to be stuffed in the nose (maybe even enlarge the nose a bit to fit) -IRST all around the plane (top and bottom of "tail" section, one on each wingtips, one behind the canopy, one under ventral section at the center of aircraft, and one over the nose just in front of canopy; a la f-8 crusader's). Except the one under the nose, that's for FLIR. -HOTAS either in side stick layout like f-16's, or conventional center column layout. -either fly-by-wire or fiber-optic controls (should the budget allow, and with insulation against emp) to lighten up the plane. Control linkages will be electro-mechanical (also with shielding against emp) -of course with MFDs to keep the costs down as possible. Or, -helmet mounted display with sensor fusion a la f-35 -3d-printed parts to further lighten up the plane. -metal foam for structural parts (again further lightening the plane but keeping airframe integrity) -composite inner skin (maybe carbon fiber WITH fiberglass or GRP because, correct me if I'm wrong, radio waves can't penetrate those materials well. Essentially radars will be interrupted by said materials) -new landing gear (for the sake of reducing the weight of the freaking awesome plane, BECAUSE the OG one seems bulky AND heavy...) -outer skin all around the plane (including engine housing, exhaust shrouds & intakes) composed of hexagonal panels and there are two types: *for optical "invisibility", it'll be screens. Each six *corners* have cameras to project live feed to the opposite side of the plane. Like James bond's Aston Martin in die another day, but in my take, it has "yehudi lights" integrated on each six *sides* for counter-illumination (light intensity depends on outside light. If surroundings are bright, lights go bright. If dim, lights go dim) *For thermal invisibility, it'll be panels that changes its temperature 🌡️ depending on what temperature the surrounding environment is. -also boosted flight controls with redundant backup systems so if one or more control surface gets damaged, flight computer compensates to maintain flight control authority. -as for missiles? Externally, couple of sidewinders slung under hardpoints under each wing. Internally, four or more 70mm guided rockets (essentially air-to-air version of the advanced precision kill weapon system [APKW]) in each wing. -radar/laser jammers and chaffs and flares to thwart target lock by enemy aircraft; AND defeat incoming SAMs or AAMs, respectively

Very nice video the ho 229 its one of my favorite aircraft designs and i hope you can tell the story about his bigger brother the ho 18 and like dusty miller say i hope the L-133 come in a near future but that will be your decision thank your for doing this type of content

As a German, i can say that your pronounciation was actually pretty good

@greatgrumble

Жыл бұрын

Makes me think you are not German at all. The pronunciation is atrocious.

i love that u call it Luftwaffle >_< it sounds to awesome * ^^ * but honestly, the Ho-229 was pretty damn impressive for its time, had they had it earlier and had time to work out some of its kinks, it had prob made a major difference in the war... thank god they didnt

The ME-262 jet WAS deployed with TREMENDOUS shock to action but the ALLIED bomber machine gunners quickly learned to adjust their aim and shoot well ahead of its anticipated flight path. Apparently the tactic worked MOST of the time.

Fun Fact my Dad is From Friedrichroda near Gotha and He even Showed me where The Building was..

The fact that the Horten brothers were capable of envisioning such a design in the era of early jet engines, was just proof that they were visionaries. Like, damn...

@santiagoperez2094

2 жыл бұрын

they made they first flying wing glider in the late 20s

@fritzfieldwrangle-clouder7299

2 жыл бұрын

Not really, flying wing designs go back to 1910 at least. There were French ones, Russian ones, British ones and American ones and probably a few more.

Is the Ho 229 still in the Mesonian museum storage, or does it have its own exhibit yet? Edit: I commented this before I saw the end of the video.

@blu5021

2 жыл бұрын

It is visible, visited a while ago- however, it is just a hull

@faragar1791

2 жыл бұрын

@@blu5021 I'm pretty sure that they also have the wings, but they may not have wanted to reattach them considering how old the aircraft is.

@santiagoperez2094

2 жыл бұрын

@@faragar1791 the wings where burned, the only reason they know how it was shaped its because blueprints where captured for the v1 variant.

@blu5021

2 жыл бұрын

@@faragar1791 good point!

@alexander1485

2 жыл бұрын

I saw it in 2018, the wings were with it but not put on

The Ho 229 if used in a hunter roll would probobly just attack from straight on. Then the time to fire from the B17 side would be so short they would barley have any time to hit it. After it pass over the speed they would depart from each other would be so large the bullets would have problem keeping up.

You have improved greatly

the intro to this video is freaking amazing, love seeing how your renders have advanced. Fun fact, did you know the stealth aspects of the Ho 229 were actually accidental?

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

Did you know the Northrop N-1M was the first flying wing?

@captainboose8788

Жыл бұрын

The HO was not a stealth aircraft

ME-110 is not called "me." It's called "M"-"E." FW-190 is likewise called "F"-"W." So I would pronounce HO in Alphabet, "H"-"O." Besides, "ho" sounds like a bad word to American English speakers.

@owenshebbeare2999

2 жыл бұрын

That last point is something that Americans do all the time: pronouncing acronyms and abbreviations as words, so really your tender Yank sensibilities and triggers are irrelevant- and Germans pronounce it as often as not and Christmasmust be hard for you too...think about it. Also the proper designation for both the 109 and 110 is Bf-, not Me-, so accuracy and depth here wasn't a big selling point for this presentation.

@LawyerPapa

2 жыл бұрын

@@owenshebbeare2999 I wish you the best in your endeavors. Being young is a good thing; you have the initiative to actually do things and make things happen.

There is one other “Flying Wing”. And that is the Waterman Aerobile. The Aerobile is 2 parts bolted together to make one flying machine. It was a 3 wheel car onto which a wing was attached to make it into a flying car when desired. In principle, though, the wing was technically an effective wing with really good flying properties. There is a data set for the Waterman Aerobile for Flight Simulator 10, and it is quite beautiful to fly. Basically unstallable.

love the doco mate, just bought a model of a 229, its a beauty

You make it sound like Jack Northrop copied the Horten's flying wing concept. In reality Northrop was Working on flying wings as early as 1929, as were other designers.

@Justanotherconsumer

2 жыл бұрын

The Wehraboos want to believe that the Nazis had super-advanced technology… they didn’t. Others were often working on the same or better, they just didn’t rush it into service because they weren’t desperate.

@Mark_Lou

2 жыл бұрын

@@Justanotherconsumer These are the same people who believe if the Maus was fielded Germany would somehow win despite the lack of materials Germany was facing by 1944.

@nebunezz_r

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mark_Lou "Maus would work" *Insert P47 dive* How about no

@Veldtian1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Justanotherconsumer C'mon there's replete objective evidence that the German's aeronautical design and engineering was a vast cut above their contemporaries elsewhere, there's just way way way too many examples of this to posit your opinion, and it's not just restricted to aeronautics as you well know. You're sounding a little catty and jelly, give the Übermensch their due credit.. 😚

@user-hr1uw4cj2z

2 жыл бұрын

@@nebunezz_r Not saying Maus would change the war but there was very little chance CAS would actually do something to enemy tanks in WW2.

Dieses Luftwaffel killt mich die ganze Zeit 😂 Good Video!

bell shaped lift distribution

What we really need is for someone to get the funding to make a working flying version of the Horten Ho 229. Have someone make a recreation that resembles the original (of course use modern tech) See how it flies and performs. Then try to produce it for the civilian market.

Did you jsut say Luftwaffel? Air waffle? hahahahaIts Luft waffe like air weapon

My god, I love this plane

jeez... imagine being in that plane 0:04 and see this 0:08 flying past you at immense speeds. Scary

Great animations and video man.

@FoundAndExplained

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton!

Mornin' lads

4:42, Finland was never apart of Nazi Germany.

@Seanology101

2 жыл бұрын

Was an ally though

@shaggings

2 жыл бұрын

@@Seanology101 Nope. We got guns from them but we never assisted them.

The Ho-XVIII had 2 extra versions ... I think I already know what to do in my next woodworking class.

I love aviation videos with animations. F&E and Mustard are my go to channels.

A LUFTWAFFLE WITH EXTRA NUTELLA PLS

luft waffle

@Orinslayer

2 жыл бұрын

I knew the Belgians were up to something.

I love that one scavanged, beefy front wheel😁 At least it wouldn't break so easily by an emergency landing (true nightmare even in War thunder to land without engine and with high speed, where the landing gear breaks and you still flying 😓)

6:14 the “luftwaffle”

My absolute favorite wwII plane

Time for some Luf Waffle!!

Jack Northrop had developed flying wings that were tested under powered flight before the Ho 229, notably with the N-1M and N-9M in 1940 and 1942 respectively. Not many of the performance metrics of the Ho 229 were really known because, as mentioned in the video, the plane only flew a few times under powered flight before crashing (believe three times actually). The Jumo 003 engines were unreliable, and one engine failure was possibly the cause of the crash. The two brothers had done "flying wing work" with gliders and powered gliders in the 1930s. But there are a number of unverified claims and myths about their work and aircraft out there in the social media sphere / internet. The Germans also had the Luftwaffe emergency for developing a variety of jet aircraft, getting the Me 262 operational (which was a struggle when it came to sortie generation) and a new, delayed HeS 011 jet engine in development. There were other development tracks with the Amerika Bomber too. Basically the Horten's work was a bit of a sideshow and waste of money as it wasn't well baked or very far along. They did interesting work but no need to hype them up.

@FiveCentsPlease

2 жыл бұрын

+ Michael Dunne Correct and well put. The V2 crashed on the very flight to measure some speed data. The entire 229 program was not mature at all, just three experimental prototypes that were not ready. Innovative, to give the Hortens their due credit. But it was not ready for service and not the wonder-weapon is has been portrayed to be.

@olli2591

2 жыл бұрын

The N-1M and N-9M are more comparable to the Horten H.V which was developed before those two. The Ho 229 was fare more advanced with its jet engines and improved aerodynamic design. They didn't want to use the Jumo-004 but the BMW-003 wasn't ready for production, so they had no other choice. It took the US several years to come up with a similar prototype in form of the Northrop YB-49.

@michaeldunne338

2 жыл бұрын

@@olli2591 The Horten 229 barely flew. And the jet engines were problematic, that is the Jumo-004. The YB-49 was much larger than the Horten 229, as a heavy bomber (really not that comparable aircraft), and its first flight was only a couple of years later, in 1947, during a period of massive demobilization and massive budget cuts. The antecedent, the XB-35, had been in the works since 1941. The YB-49 test program encountered a lot of problems (and accidents) but certainly clocked far more hours than Horten 229.

@FiveCentsPlease

2 жыл бұрын

@@olli2591 The YB-49 was just the jet version of the YB-35 that Northrop began constructing in 1941 when they were awarded the contract. The N-1M was a research prototype and the N-9M was a one-third scale proof-of-concept of the YB-35. The wing program was slowed by subcontractor disputes, etc. Northrop didn't need anything from the 229 to complete the YB-49. And the B-2 just carries the YB-49 concept into the modern era. They are the same size and fly the same mission profile.

It was the Horten 9, given to Gotha for production, and they called it the Go-229. Junkers patented it in 1910, Stout put it into flight (with a fin) in 1918. Cheranovsky put it into flight (again with a fin) in 1926. Being completely tail-less isn't the criteria, since many finned allowing types have flown, some of them well, a few notably better that "normal" planes. They called Northrop's "Avion" h216x a flying wing even though it had a tail, because it left off a fuselage and put everything in a lifting fuselage body. They called Burnelli a "flying wing" too. The Go-229 wasn't "stealth". Its engines and cockpit would have shown a strong return. It takes far more than smooth aerodynamic surfaces and lack of a tail to make it stealthy, and the Germans were not concerned with making it harder to detect. Not everything made as a lifting body fuselage is for stealth. It's tabloid quality media hype to say that stealth is why they're designed that way. Many all-wing plus a fin have flown, not a single one without a fin has made a workable plane. I include hang gliders, sport gliders and the B-2 in that. It's not a workable plane if it can't fly without advanced controls and the crew must always be ready to eject if any of that advanced control technology fails.

@mach1553

2 жыл бұрын

Go-229 was a mistaken ID, the Ho-229 is the correct nomenclature. The engines and cockpit would show a return but the infancy of radar in the 40's would not have been enough to reap the benefits of early detection and thwart this design's low radar signature.

@einautofan6685

Жыл бұрын

Go-229 was the given production number for the Gothaer Waggonfabrik by the RLM!

Imagine u make this VTOL

@santiagoperez2094

2 жыл бұрын

it can take off at like 140kph, unneded

Well, your try to pronounce Gothaer Waggonfabrik was not as bad as it could have been and surely not as bad as you thought. Only it is Horten, not Horton. And in Germany nobody says H-O, we say Ho, just like we do not say M-E for Messerschmidt, we say ME, speak "MEH".

@WaukWarrior360

2 жыл бұрын

Jack Northrop was building flying wings before the Horten Brothers. The Northrop N-1M was the first True flying wing

@user-hr1uw4cj2z

2 жыл бұрын

@@WaukWarrior360 What did that have to do anything with his comment and why do you keep saying this to every comment?

Maybe there will be a flying replica of this beauty one day.

Nice photo of the British Handley Page Manx at 12:45.