I’ve been running a build very similar to this since invokes dropped, however I personally believe there’s a few unnecessary bits I run that you can change. 1-Drop spirit, havoc generates mod power like crazy anyway just cause how rapid it attacked and how hard it hits.(try running footwork it makes you faster when using your tendrils) 2- Swap legacy amulet to Jester’s Bell. You’ll have near constant uptime on the all dmg buff it gives AND even more cast speed, and the skill cooldown is overkill on legacy, plus duration is not important when you have constant ability uptime. 3- Swap black pawn stamp to Burden of the rebel. This will make up a tad(5%) of that skill cooldown, and you already don’t really use relics so the negative is no biggie. 4- Swap the heart to the new “Profane Heart” which gives permanent 3% lifesteal. With the amount of dps you do it’ll heavily outweigh the tranquil heart. 4- Drop affliction for siphoner. More lifesteal equals faster healing, meaning the more likely you are to survive anything that can’t 1 shot you. Especially with fortify from engineer as you said. Affliction does almost nothing here, cause your almost constantly refreshing the duration anyway, and duration has no affect on tick dmg. This is what I’ve been running, everything else was the same as yours( except my fragment, I ran +10% skill dmg, this made me realize elemental dmg would be the more effective one since it covers mods and our skills in this case) . Of course this is my opinion and my reasoning as to why I think this is better. Everyone has their own reasons and value in other pieces to a build. Edit- there’s also a 10% skill cooldown reduction concoction you can use if you still find trouble with the cooldowns, but you really shouldn’t, uptime should still be constant.

@donnezha6278

3 ай бұрын

Why not switch Burden of the Destroyer for Tarnished Ring? Gives 30% more dmg when unarmed

@silentreaper5805

3 ай бұрын

@@donnezha6278 uhh because we are very obviously not unarmed? We’re using guns, skills, and mods, none of which are unarmed damage. The only thing it works on is your fists and scrap fists. And yes, I tested it. Just spent 40 minutes reloading to get the guy awake for the ring just so I can make sure I’m not crazy. So you don’t use the tarnished ring because it quite literally does nothing at all.

@dman123456778

3 ай бұрын

Dude holy shit. I switched to these items/traits and its 10x better no joke lol

@fatbeaverlol

3 ай бұрын

What did you you do with the last 10 points?

@dman123456778

3 ай бұрын

@@fatbeaverlol up to you. Important ones are footwork, flash caster, siphoner, amplitude, barskin , and expertise

I’ve been playing with pretty much the exact same thing. Glad you posted so I can learn from your build as well. Great video as always!!

Put the last 10 trait points in footwork, just try it. Trust me.

@lordmamon4566

3 ай бұрын

+ there is a ring with ads movespeed... zoom zoom. Blink is so slow now :D

@Moxsy

3 ай бұрын

Daaamn just tried this. Game changer thank u

@eclipsenightmare1787

3 ай бұрын

@@Moxsy You’re welcome, I play this game too much.

@a0910770821

3 ай бұрын

@@lordmamon4566what ring is it🤔

@I-ADMIN-I

3 ай бұрын

​@@eclipsenightmare1787question, i do have over 1k hours in game but not with skill focused. Do fitness affect the blink distans in havoc form?

Lore Accurate Guardian Build 🙏 I’ve been dreaming of Double Havoc ever since the Invoker trailer dropped, thank you for this full build!

Was just trialing some of this stuff today thanks for the tips!

not sure if you know or not but if you want max level relic fragments you can make a world on apoc just to buy fragments from the fragment guy and have a chance at the best ones, then switch back to whatever difficulty you prefer.

Very fun build so far! Thanks Moxy!

I think siphoner would be an excelent replacement over regrowth since you have so much passive damage it should far outheal the 1.5 hps. It always felt comfortable on dot builds 👍

This was the build combo I was excited to see! And does not disappoint

You can swap Burden of the Stargazer for Burden of the Rebel and you don't have to worry about the life loss. It'll be the same CDR and it just makes your relic use go up. Also, grab Siphoner trait for any Havoc build and thank me later! Great video, and love to see you still enjoying Remnant 2! Edit: Also, the new Profane Heart relic works wonders with this build!

havoc loops were always glorious, glad we just blew the ceiling off with the invoker

I just managed to unlock the archon class tonight, can’t wait to unlock that level 10 skill and use this class. Looks like a lot of fun to play.

You should try the old hugs builds but with new items. Worn dog tags + blue feather ring + haste on health regen ring (with regrowth trait) turn the bow into a tab to perfect charge shot.

Yo mosxy you always have the best builds hands down...all the rest follow

Looks like i got a reason to rush unlocking Invoker now haha

Not seeing devoured loop, YES!!!

It's one of the more fun builds, and going from a fat braindead melee build to this, it just feels like a completely different game, I can't praise this enough. Great job man! The only thing that i found works better for me is swapping the relic to profane heart

Id recommend fortify for 50% armor effectiveness for your last 10 points. I’d probably drop barkskin as well if you get that fortify

was this nerfed? i barely get up to 1300 dps and archon skill isnt off cooldown by the time i finish with invoker skill

Cool build, I'm using a variation of it now. Just a few differences. For me, I'm using: Gear: Jester's Bell for the amulet (casting a mod or skill increases cast speed by 35%, and all damage by 15% for 15 sec) Magnifying Glass is another good amulet. Increases skill and mod duration by 30%, AOE and aura by 20%. My testing on my both my level 8 and my 15 was an increase in damage by 8ish%, about 6k more. My lvl 8 hits for 37k with Jester's, 42.5k with Magnifying Glass. My 15 hits 62k with Jester's and nearly 69k with magnifying glass! Think about it..... Longer DPS, plus more time flying and blinking around! It's pretty neat. Crimson Dreamstone! (Nobody is talking about this, but it's 2% extra skill damage with every crit, stacks up to 10 for 20% extra damage... You get crits all the time with this build!) Shaed Ring (15% extra skill damage) Burden of the Destroyer (15% more damage at the cost of firearm range decrease - which you won't be shooting your guns very much) Black Spawn Ring (10% skill cool down) With the Xenoplasm concoction (10% skill cool down) Heart: I use Profane heart for the 3% innate lifesteal with Mythic skill cool down, Mythic Skill duration, and Mythic Skill damage (all give 10% each) Weapons: Sparkfire Shotgun with Heatwave mod, and Spellcaster Mutator maxed out (gives skill cool down every 100 mod power used) I trigger heatwave first then... NEBULA!! If you're running a status build you need Nebula! Swarm is the best mod, period. Paired with Maelstrom mutator (increases elemental damage by 5.5 for every status ailment, and level 10 gives mod power generation by elemental damage by 20%) You spam swarm with this! Melee is unimportant. Traits: With the Siphoner (3% lifesteal) AND Triage (50% extra healing effect) traits, you get 9% INNATE lifesteal (even though it says 6% in the stats). When you use the Profane Heart (50% extra lifesteal) you boost that up to 12% lol. Use the footwork trait too! Makes you a flying death machine. Amplification gives 50% larger AOE and aura No stamina, just vigor And Fortify! Need that armor bonus. And if course Spirit and Expertise for the mod/skill cool down (giving a total of -50% on skill cool downs with xenoplasm!) I know people like to run another burden ring for more crit chance/damage, BUT getting your skills back faster IS more damage! DPS baby!

I had a similar build and its so fun, and a mess of mods on screen haha love invoker

There is Burden Of The Sciolist witch Reduces Ammo Reserves by 20%. Increases Mod and Skill Damage by 15%. , pretty good as well and probably better space than burden of the destroyer , and if u want more heal and more lifesteal there is tear of lydusa or the new trait called " Leech " it's a brand new one from dlc or changed. They are way better option to maximize Archon&Invoker , this build can be improved im pretty sure but it's a good start and good mind process.

unless its been fixed, get rid of the affliction trait, the way it works is say 100 burn over 10s affliction makes it 100 burn over 20secs. alot of the ritualist builds involved reducing this timer

We need more builds !!!🎉🎉🎉

He says his havoc cool down is 25 secs, mine say 82.9s . Is they a way to reduce it or just having items that do will change my number downward?

Siphoner trait and new profane heart work well with this build

I don’t understand how the cooldown works with Havoc. My duration says 40.2 seconds and my cooldown is 18 seconds. But when I exit havoc form, havoc still needs 6 more seconds to actually refresh.

Thinking about creating another character for this, how long to have it all?

I think this would be a good candidate for the Stoneworker's chisel. A flat 20% damage boost for not firing your gun? Havoc don't care bout no guns!

why not use leech and siphon? for passive healing since your constantly in archon mode

Hello Moxsy, the build is good and I would then make it

Another good amulet alternative is magnifying glass. Increases skill and mod duration by 30% and AOE by 20% With this set up you may be able to swap out a cool down ring for a DMG ring.

to add more to this build, you can swap tranquil heart with profane hearth, gives you innate life steal or go for shielded. for rings if you want to be comfy abit more with cdr, you can drop burden of destroyer to burden of rebel, it gives you a 1 to 1 loop but it lessens your damage by 15% for traits you can swap out regrowth and triage to siphoner and leech, its literally better regen, you can also drop stuff like endurance and handling and putting it into swiftness for more mspd then you can decide either move affliction to barskin or fortify for better option or keep in the same. the inspiration on this build is pretty good, very cool build overall (Y)

Does anyone know if this build still works this way? Just bought the dlcs and I want to try this out

Havoc Form is the coolest skill in the game IMO but it always needs so much setup to make it good, Still kinda wish Havoc Form scaled with mod damage/crit chance and damage ETC, since that's Archon's whole thing, but y'know balanced around it being a skill rather than an actual mod

Curious, how does skill and mod cast increases (from the Kinetic Cycle Stone) scales the damage of Havoc Form? I went with Burden of the Sciolist instead (Reduces Ammo Reserves by 25%. Increases Mod and Skill Damage by 15%), but it is not more powerful? Could also try Monolith and Sandstorm instead of Heatwave, the Exposed status increases all damage by 15%

@mauricebot

4 күн бұрын

Higher skill cast speed results to more lightning hits per second from havoc form, which means higher DPS. So for highest DPS for this build do Jester's Bell for amulet, then on rings use Kinetic Cycle Stone, Burden of the Sciolist, Burden of the Gambler since Havoc Form does not hit weakspots anyway, Burden of the Rebel. Then on guns which you don't need to fire and just use the mods, use Monolith with Spellweaver for the Exposed status effect, Nebula with Feedback for the corroded status effect. On relic use Profane Heart, and relic fragments should be skill damage, elemental damage, mod & skill cast speed. So the rotation will look like this: Way of Kaeula Sandstorm Nano Swarm Havoc Form Then repeat after Havoc Form ends Apocalypse bosses take around 30sec-1min to beat except for those with special mechanic to resist damage for their phase or those moving around too much.

there is alaso a lifesteal trait wich would contribute in even more tankyness

What is the cdr on this build? It caps at 75% so you dont want to go over that and honestly that may even be too high since you can reset it with other skills and mods. Could probably swap some cdr for damage and be ok. But nice build! Was trying a crit reset build with this but it doesnt work since you cant reset the cooldown of havoc form while in havoc form so yea just need to go with flat cdr to stay in havoc form.

@chaddrusso8850

3 ай бұрын

I thought with devoured loop you could reset havoc form? A yt named spiked had this super cool elemental build with engineer/archon that uses loop for resets and it worked so well for bossing and still feels really good!

@SNUSNUU

3 ай бұрын

Skill Cooldown is -65% without the Relic and -75% with the Relic if you're using Mystic.

@CallMeFako

3 ай бұрын

@@chaddrusso8850 Devoured loop got changed so now it only restores a single charge of skills sintead of everything. Bummer

@chaddrusso8850

3 ай бұрын

@@CallMeFako damn that’s pretty lame that havoc skill loop was super fun! RIP

@silentreaper5805

3 ай бұрын

It caps at 80% as of a patch a little while ago. Yeah big difference I know lol but I figured I’d still correct the info so you’d know in the future when it’s relevant.

Do you even need weapons besides having their mods active in the background

High quality cheese right here

Footwork increases your movespeed in havoc btw

Yep, that's the same build I am using at the moment

In before the nerf. :)

guys just a quick question is the maxed out trophy still bugged?

Burden of the Rebel would be better than Burden of the Stargazer. It only slows relic use speed which you can’t use in Havoc Form anyway

The profane heart is a little better for bossing because of the lifesteal

You're missing the trait called "Chakra" and what it does is increases mod duration.

Can you make this build with ritualist instead invoker 😮

Is this a bug? How are you getting those massive chunks of cooldown back on Havoc when exiting? That’s not happening for me

@nomoreowo

3 ай бұрын

I think so, you can trigger it by popping havoc and immediately canceling it as soon as the game lets you (the sooner you do it the more it fills up the cooldown)

@quincygotdis3882

3 ай бұрын

same, when i exit its fresh cd

@PyrncessTempest

3 ай бұрын

Nope! Not a bug, Havok was buffed in the latest patch! Now when you exit early, you get a portion of your cooldown refunded. Hope this helps!

@Wisppp_

3 ай бұрын

@@PyrncessTempestI know about the buffs. He’s not exiting early tho. He’s letting the duration run out and still getting more than 50% charge back. And there’s no real explanation

@nomoreowo

3 ай бұрын

@@Wisppp_ it is a bug, if you exit early every time you cast havoc after that also gets the skill refund

I would replace the corrosive gun with the new monolith

Hey just a heads up I noticed your fragments aren’t maxed out, a quick way to fix that it to start a game in apocalypse and then go talk to dwell and roll random fragments and you’ll eventually get them all maxed especially if you have the resources to do it!

did they nerfed devoured loop?

Soooo umm is havoc form still doing the weird staggger bug thing where u have to "reactivate" the animation?

@TulkasMight

3 ай бұрын

I think so. If you mean getting hit out of it or whatever. Happens to me.

@leonechaos

3 ай бұрын

@@TulkasMight Sure does

@evilfalsegames

3 ай бұрын

It does and its worse now, since it consumes the second charge upon the animation and doesnt even reset the timer, i got hit on my last 6 seconds and consumed the second charge, just lost it cuz the 6 seconds were still going

Use Burden of the Rebel instead of Stargazer. No need to lose health when you’re not popping relics anyway.

I like it with some changes. I take Regrowth, Vigor, Expertise, Barkskin, but then I take Swiftness for speed, Strong Back (9) + Fortify for medium roll at 63.3, and I take Siphoner instead of Triage. 10 points left over for whatever you want. For armor I use True Crimson Crown, High Noon Duds, Leto Mark II Leggings, Leto Mark II Gloves. It looks sick and between fortify and mythic armor effectiveness you're looking at 207.8 armor. Rings I use Burden of the Stargazer, Burden of the Rebel, Atonement Fold, Hardcore Metal Band - gives you 5 stacks of bulwark for 25% flat DR. The amulet, I'm still experimenting with (it can either be Jester's Bell or Legacy Protocol), but my thinking is that you have plenty of cooldown without Legacy Protocol due to how Invoker works. You can, in fact, trigger Havoc, and immediately cancel it, and you'll still have both charges of Havoc but the skill CD interaction will still have applied to Way of Kaeula (if you even need to). I use Profane Heart for the 3% life steal w/ relic fragments for damage reduction, armor effectiveness, and health. Oh, and Heatwave kind of sucks and doesn't apply its damage consistently, so I switched that out for Song of Eafir for more EHP. Anyway, you get a build that still slaps with 73% damage reduction and an EHP of about 618. It won't stop most of the heavier telegraphed attacks from one shotting you, but at least you can run through the zones without worrying about the trash clear randomly deleting you. You could also go for Monolith for another +15% damage and a friendly fire firestorm. EDIT: Sorry, for the concoction I use the +20 health. More EHP baby.

I don't have Tranquil Heart, so what can I use? :( Thanks!

@evilfalsegames

3 ай бұрын

Profaned Heart from the dlc

Anything else you can use to replace Legacy Protocol Necklace?

@ucnguyeminh8445

3 ай бұрын

His build is good but not much survival here my if you want to test out. You will have few seconds without havoc though. Necklace: whispering marble RING: dried clay ring, burden of the rebel, burden of the gambler, shappire dreamstone. Fracment: 20%mod and skill cast speed, 10% skill damge, 10% skill cooldown. GUN1: monolith with Spirit healer( or spellweaver if you feel like the cooldown is not enough) Gun2: nebula with feedback Play this as dash is your main single target dps left mouse when you for big group of enemies. Turn of havoc as soon as both mod run out( about 15s, this way it give back half havoc cooldown and you can recast way of kaeula and the two mod. EDIT: you can replace cast speed with duration or elements damge. I found I die most of the time due to casting skill animation. This build 4k dps anyway.

@dragonbane08

3 ай бұрын

shock device for more dmg I guess

@abzyac

3 ай бұрын

@@ucnguyeminh8445 will do. Thank you :)

@ucnguyeminh8445

3 ай бұрын

@@dragonbane08 u can chang to shock necklace and ring for more damg but since I dash around the enemy to "Explosion" slot those 4 bulwark is my must. :))

@Krunchamunch220

3 ай бұрын

Spirit Wisp Amulet is a comparable replacement, just make sure to pop your mods after dropping the form I use Song of Eafir on my secondary instead of the neeb gun as well less passive damage but the slow helps you avoid the gross charge loss on knockdown.

Nice

There is a new ring that gives you increased damage when you dont fire primary or secondary weapons

I'm running energized coil invoker with way of lydusa to pair with mono for the juice 3.5 4k every 10 stack which I can build in a second with something with the hp pool to take my tick dmgs as when I prok ritualist miasma which is killer aoe tick with my new found cheese timekeepers jewel (doubles tick timers=double tick dmg totals) also buffed by ritualist I've been playing round getting that 20% total tick dmg immediately in a aoe every 5 seconds it works best with scrap shot for me as I can get it up to a 8k bleed tick and for some strange reason it hits that immediate 20% from the amulet twice in 5 seconds on 2 mods I know of scrap shot and firestorm but firestorms aoe with amplitude is too much as it self dmgs and will likely 1 or 2 taps you with this my build 🤙 and you dmg tick mains will thank me If you ain't noticed the timekeepers jewels unbelievable build potential. Peace out ✌️ hmu of your struggling to get that 8k scrap shot bleed 🤙

i hope they fix the bug where you lose 1 charge for nothing when you get knocked down during archon

@Rexy2552

3 ай бұрын

I noticed that! It made me so sad

Is the mutator for the Nebula relevant since it’s not listed? (At least I didn’t see it) I’m using maelstrom for the increased elemental damage, but would there be a more optimal mutator?

@matthewsmith7947

3 ай бұрын

I usually use Failsafe on Nebula

Siphoner isn't a bad trait to have.

Getting the cd reduction rings is one hell of a cancerous endeavor

Its very hard to get this amulet to drop😢

how to cast the lightening ,, kinda confused here

@evilfalsegames

3 ай бұрын

Archon Archetype, final skill called Havoc Form (level 10 skill), just press the attack button as you were going to melee

Love it but the bug that shuts down havoc form when you get hit makes this worthless and itll probably get nerfed before they fix the bug so 🤷‍♂️

I might be doing sumn wrong, but sometimes (most of the time ngl) if I get hit in havoc form - it cancels it and makes me use my normal weapons. Is this a bug or am I just doing sumn wrong?

@horstwurscht9876

3 ай бұрын

i have the same

@evilfalsegames

3 ай бұрын

For me its worse, when i get hit i instantly get back to havoc form, but it consumes the second charge of it WITHOUT increasing the duration... Imagine getting hit on the last 6 seconds just to get your second charge deleted on it

They patched footwork but the build is still good. Don't know what trait to use now😢

@Zallufer

2 ай бұрын

Healing or support should be good to back you up if you got hit due to low movement speed?! Idk

isn't status effect duration useless for lightning?...

Yep this build works in lower difficulty or apocalypse if you have perfect blinking in Havoc Form 😂. Unfortunately Havoc Form is NERF before when you get hit it does not stop your have Havoc Form but now when you get hit while in Havoc Form it will put you to the ground and it will redo the animation of Havoc Form. Instead of the Black Pawn Stamp why not go for Burden of the Rebel your using Tranquil Heart meaning you don't consume it. so passive healing is enough. Stargazer Plus Rebel that's 30% cool down reduction. Also really Kinetic Cycle Stone? Flashcaster already increase casting by 50%. How about replacing it with Burden of the Sciolist for more damage or if you really want permanent Havoc Form Ring of Continuance. Your fragments should be Mythic Skill Cooldown Skill Duration Skill damage. Clearly you only play Nightmare. You didn't include gameplay boss fight of this build. The way you said it Bossing is easy because of blink good luck. I myself don't have perfect dodging, seems like you're saying you do. 😂

The only sad thing about these fun builds is that in order to use them you've probably beat all content a few times over. =7

@godofevil4735

3 ай бұрын

Misses the point of remnant😂

I thought vash cowaii builds were better 🤔

When did u start playing Remnant 2😂

wait, couldn't you do this as an invader and just be untouchable?

All I know is the game needs to be fixed for sure the new enemy types that are in the new DOC like the ones that fly and keep Spamming their ground attack while they're flying in the air 4 times is very annoying I'm literally about to break the disk in half an not play it anymore The enemy is way too overpowered If you get hit one time by his ground slam he does it 4 more times and you're dead because you can't do anything cause you're stunned the whole time can't do anything needs to be nerved And I have so much Damage Reduction Have a bunch of life steal a bunch of everything to keep me alive even on hardcore mode if i did But unfortunately the devs don't know how to Nerf the enemies but they are good at nerfing the fuc**** the player tho

@Valgard_Alvarius_Valterri

2 ай бұрын

They are annoying, you need to roll INTO them, like most elite enemies, especially those with long reach. And he slams in 3s, so roll into him before he hits, turn around, do again, and again. The scream is true the annoying thing. Knocks you out of havoc, super lame

I’m going to wait until Invoker is nerfed until I make a build.

This is not viable build in Apo..

eh id replace the main hand rifle with monolith, sandstorm procs exposed and you can shoot it then go into havoc form with a boss and BAM! cast and forget