USA can support a 40-team league. Split into two tiers: MLS Premier and MLS 2 East expansion: Milwaukee, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Louisville West expansion: Phoenix, Las Vegas, Albuquerque, San Antonio, Calgary Honorable mentions: El Paso & Sacramento

@davidday2373

15 күн бұрын

That's not what we do. Our Major League sports are 30 to 32 teams. The whole MLS1 and MLS2 40-team scenario is the WORST of both worlds. Not an "open" system, and all the negatives of "Relegation". Awful idea.

@H-Vox

15 күн бұрын

I mostly agree but Calgary wouldn't happen because travel times are already long enough in MLS, and Milwaukee is too close to Chicago In the West I'd like to see Vegas, Phoenix, OKC, Albuquerque, and San Antonio In the East I'd like to see Indy, Detroit, NOLA, Tampa, and Louisville (though the region around Louisville would be pretty saturated already) I also think MLS could have 40 clubs without pro rel. People act like pro rel is essential but there's a snowball's chance in hell MLS would ever do it

@FAITHandLOGIC

15 күн бұрын

There will never be an open system in America. ​@davidday2373

Bring back Hollywood Heath Pearce!!!

MLS will probaly force this on the American public: Western Conference Northwest - Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, San Jose Pacific - San Diego, LAFC, LA Galaxy, Las Vegas Southwest - Houston, Austin, Colorado, Salt Lake Midwest - Minnesota, Saint Louis, Kansas City, Dallas East Southeast - Miami, Oralndo, Atlanta, Nashville Atlantic - NY Red Bulls, NYCFC, DC United, Charlotte Northeast - Philadelphia, Toronto, Montreal, New England Central - Chicago, Columbus, Cincinnati, Indianapolis

I hear some people saying "bring promotion and relegation". The popularity and passion of the game in the us isnt at the level that europe is at; the us cant afford that. Now considering how the us has a higher population than most countries, the us can afford a abnormally higher major league team count. It still should all be major league though, because minor leagues have significantly less support when we need more support to grow the sport in america. A 36 team system is abnormally large to european standards, but the US can support this with its large population. Divide the league into 2 divisions of 18. Play everyone in your division twice. 34 games. There wouldnt even be a problem with rivalry because, like i said, the passion isnt on the same level as europe. And this would cut travel as well. Edit: i'll even add on to this by adding what i think the 6 expansion cities should be. Las Vegas, Phoenix, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, Richmond, and Buffalo.

The Midwest market is the most alluring regional market in the MLS due to geographic proximity. Chicago, Nashville, Cbus, Cincy make a great core. Detroit, Indy, and Pittsburgh are coming. Love that those clubs feel like MLS should be courting them and not the other way around. Hope they stay defiant and negotiate favorable terms for their cities and fans. MLS biggest competitive advantage is the average ticket price is sooo much less then the NFL and NBA and MLB. Fans can actually come to games.

I could see MLS as two 20 team leagues - East and West. Each plays a balanced schedule within their league and a playoff between the leagues determiners a champion - similar to what baseball used to be with American and National leagues.

Charlie’s idea of “growing the game” is championing MLS monopolizing football by piggybacking on USL’s years of market-building and stunting the rest of the league pyramid and pro/rel potential as a result.

Pro/Rel could work in this country. If Forward Madison could win promotion up the leagues to the top that would be awesome! As it stands now MLS teams can’t spend and some won’t spend, and it doesn’t matter. If pro rel was a thing teams would find ways to get the best players here not post prime but in their prime. Imagine an MLS team with a mix of prime European, African, Asian and American (all of America not just USA) the MLS would be the best.

INDIANAPOLIS MENTIONED IN FOOTBALL!!!!! WTF IS A HOOSIER?!?!????

Im so done with MLS. Us Open Cup issue was the final nail in the coffin. Hope USL can begin an open system. These guys just bootlick MLS

@davidday2373

15 күн бұрын

Buzz off.

Indy Eleven first has to win one championship

@FAITHandLOGIC

15 күн бұрын

Did Cincinnati win a championship?

Why wouldn't Indy Eleven be the team that joins MLS? The mayor is submitting an MLS bid, but does that mean it wouldn't be Indy Eleven?

@FAITHandLOGIC

15 күн бұрын

First of he's not submitting an MLS bid, he's trying to gather a group of investors together. Second, it doesn't include Indy Eleven. MLS doesn't want Eleven's ownership because he's not a billionaire.

@davidday2373

15 күн бұрын

@@FAITHandLOGIC FC Cincinnati moved up, Orlando City did too, were they owned by billionaires at the time?

@David9PM

11 күн бұрын

Keystone couldn’t hold up their end in the stadium deal.

Who's paying $500 million to put a team in Indianapolis? Why screw over the team tat's already trying to build a new stadium?

Even if there’s not an MLS 1 & 2 you could just have separate MLS East and West. Champions of each league play for the championship. You could also do 3 conferences, East, West, and Central with 13 teams each (maybe one has 14 if there’s 40 teams). Ideally I do like MLS 1 & 2 but I doubt owners would want to be in a second division even if it is MLS branded.

How about everyone gets a team if they want one, and teams get to be in the MLS if they don't suck. You know, how soccer works in every other country on Earth 😂

Detroit is another large market without a team

Why spend so much on a USL team stadium? LOL

@bradenhazle4378

17 күн бұрын

Because fans like nice things. And it's the only thing they need to join MLS. Also, stadium size is the only thing holding USL from becoming D1 in general.

@FAITHandLOGIC

15 күн бұрын

​@@bradenhazle4378Not entirely true. D1 classification also requires the ownership to be worth a certain amount of money.

@bradenhazle4378

15 күн бұрын

@@FAITHandLOGIC Yes....and USLC teams have that. Like I said the only requirement holding them back is stadium size.

Indy has wanted an MLS team for a long long time. They would sell... Indianapolis Indians are top 5 in triple A average attendance... An MLS team would do well no question... Also indy has a bigger population than Vegas and many of the places that already have MLS teams like Cinci, Charlotte, ect ect...

@Ziello0s

10 күн бұрын

Indy Eleven had 3rd highest average attendance in 2023 as well, they would most definitely sell.

MLS may need pro/rel if they get too big.

lol promotion and relegation will never work in USA. People do not watch minor leagues or anything that isn’t the best. People watch college sports but that is different and still considered elite. It’s called D1 which is top tear college sport.

@bradenhazle4378

17 күн бұрын

People don't watch lower divisions because they can't go up, so there's no reason to be invested. If you ask a baseball fan if their local minor league baseball team could be promoted they would 100% follow them more. And people watch college sports because it's the most local connection and may be the highest tier* of sport their city has.

@slsoto06

16 күн бұрын

College sports elite? Lol

@davidday2373

15 күн бұрын

Plus, its Soccer. We just barely getting US sports fans into the sport. To add some weird "relegation" thing would hamper MLS's and Soccer's growth.

@davidday2373

15 күн бұрын

@@bradenhazle4378 Oh gawd. Yeah, MLB needs "relegation" LOL. We love College Football and Basketball as is, no "relegation" needed to create interest. The question SHOULD BE why don't people support College Soccer? The toxic Soccer snobs actually mock College Soccer.

@FAITHandLOGIC

15 күн бұрын

Is that why Cincinnati averaged over 20k for a D3 team? Indy gets 9k, Louisville, New Mexico and Sacramento get 10k. The USL would be huge right now if MLS hadn't poached several of their teams.

I am so tired of MLS.

We need one because Indy Eleven Suck and you might as well scrap them and make an MLS team.

@CoreyYoungblood

17 күн бұрын

Smallest iq take I’ve ever heard

@Ingenuity009

17 күн бұрын

​@@CoreyYoungbloodSays the guy who just made stuff up in that little hollow coccnut of his 😂.

@isaacgogna9856

16 күн бұрын

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@Ingenuity009

16 күн бұрын

@@isaacgogna9856 It's true. The team stinks, the stadium they play at now stinks. Why put all the money into a usl team when win lose or draw the turnout and infrastructure for an MLS team would be better.

If there was pro-rel, it would solve this problem, but the MLS works hard to abuse their monopoly power.

@davidday2373

15 күн бұрын

You're clueless.

@davidt3956

15 күн бұрын

@@davidday2373 Brilliant retort, full of a point by point counter argument. Oh, puppy, give it another try.

@davidday2373

15 күн бұрын

@@davidt3956 Austin Bold --> Austin FC... Nashville FC --> Nashville SC... Saint Louis fc? --> St Louis City... Miami Fc? --> Inter Miami.... Get the picture?

@davidday2373

15 күн бұрын

@@davidt3956 Or... Seattle Sounders, FC Cincinnati, Portland Timbers, Orlando City, Vancouver Whitecaps, et al...all in MLS now, up from lower leagues.

@davidt3956

15 күн бұрын

@@davidday2373 While others have been put out of business. However, you're point is also part of the proof of monopoly. They find competitive markets and then either buy the teams or put them out of business. Another example is how it controlled the USSF. The national federation should have demoted them if they chose not to fully participate in the Open Cup. Because of MLS's power, they forced the USSF into submission.