Kano’s mom is extremely manipulative. As a company president should be. Mahiru wanted honest feedback. She wants to prove herself outside her safe zone. Although she did commit to working with the team so she is letting multiple people down.

This episode was so damn good. The twist of Medo being the dramatuber caught me so off guard. Glad that Kano did actually punch her. Kano's insecurity causing her to scream at Mahiru just ripped my heart out.

@mathmols8835

Ай бұрын

Mahiru deserved to be screamed at

@bondrewd5935

Ай бұрын

@@mathmols8835 Yes, She knew that Kano was abandoned by her mother because of the scandal and still She decided to work for that woman....

@mathmols8835

Ай бұрын

@@bondrewd5935 Exactly… like not only that, she literally promised Kano and the other to work on a new song for New Year, knows how important it is to Kano and she still didnt give a f about it and chose the mom over Them, even after the mom refused to say Kano and after she should have realised that something was up when the scheduled was overlapping so perfectly… Mahiru is a bitch and everything in this episode proves it. Imagine being Kano and first gets used and then abandoned by your mother and then when you finally make your first friend, she does the exact same as the mother… damn I wish Kano would never forgive Mahiru, but we all know, Kano will probably take all the blame🤦🏼‍♂️

Kano said that nasty thing because she was scared that Mahiru would leave her behind. Maybe in the moment Mahiru thought she was genuine, because it was said without any hesitation, sometimes you think someone means what they say in the heat of the moment, but then you think about it later, and you realize that they didn't mean it, that it was said out of fear, of culpability, of frustation or any other emotion.

@mathmols8835

Ай бұрын

Mahiru did literally leave her for the mom… she literally decided that the mom was more important than their promise to each other…

What kano said to mahiru was stupid and mean but it doesn't feel like cringe or out of character,instead it feels like very normal human behavior and is understandable really excited to see how story goes on from here

@mathmols8835

Ай бұрын

She said what Mahiru deserved to hear..

@narusas1222

Ай бұрын

@@mathmols8835 I can tell you don't like Mahiru and I kinda get it, especially given the fact that Kano's sister had already told them about their mother in the past.

@mathmols8835

Ай бұрын

@@narusas1222 Dont get me wrong, I loved her the first 8 episodes and was also one of the people that actually hoped for the yuri to happen. But after this episode I am placing Mahiru as one of the worst characters this season. She knows how important Jelee and the promise is to Kano, knows that Kano and the mother have massive problems, but still decides to chose the mom over all of that even after seeing the mom refusing to use Kano first name and even after for some reason believing that the schedule was pure coinsidence… Mahiru is literally mom 2.0, use Kano for their own selfish reasons, only to abandon her, when she aint needed anymore… I feel so bad for Kano that she had to have such a mother and that her first “friend” turns out to be just like the mom

@badonshrimp6851

Ай бұрын

@@mathmols8835 are you gonna be pain in the ass in every comment in this video.. wow

@mathmols8835

Ай бұрын

@@badonshrimp6851 Just saying the truth about Mahiru🤷🏼‍♂️

the gaslighting mother is crazy 💀, i definitely think she's all business and the words she said is just so Mahiru is more willing to accept the proposal. She sees mahiru's art as beautiful yes, but more towards a stepping stone for the mother's business. I think this is the case cause we also saw that the mother said the same-ish things to Kano when she was still part of the group, but immediately dropped Kano off when Kano made that mistake.

If Kano told everyone that Mero was the one who exposed the Rainbow Girls' center, then Mero would be cancelled online within minutes of hearing what she said, & there's no guarantee that Kano would be saved by exposing that either. It would effectively destroy the Sunflower Dolls, & her mother's dream would be in shambles. It's a completely damning secret that would destroy everything if exposed. That's why she's kept it to herself.

@joegrimm9629

Ай бұрын

Probably Kano's mom took action over this to keep as a secret that problem. Even before this, Kano was worried about how her teammates hate her and her mom just told something row like "ignore it"

Wow. I had definitely not thought about it, but Kano's vivid appreciation for Yoru's art likely directly stems from Yukine's influences. Kano grew up striving to impress her mom, so her standards and preferences are probably cloned from her mom. Not a big shocking revelation, but still, it tingled my brain for a minute.

I find it strange that Kano's mom knows who Mahiru is and how to contact her. Also, how did she get Mahiru's sketch?

If you have to defeat your rival with dirty, underhanded means that it doesn't make you better, you're still lacking ability. The only one you need to better than is yourself. Professionally speaking, for something so important, you don't hire a beginner with just talent. You hire someone who has already proven themselves. I honestly believe Yukina offered the job to Mahiru was to stand in Kano's way the way she feels Kano did to her.

Yes. Kano has been in love with Yoru for most of the series, & has shown it in various ways, but she hasn't actually said it. She's said some things to suggest it, & has almost said it, & then walked it back, but she's never actually said the words. Even after kissing Yoru, when asked about it, she said she did it on a whim. She says "I wanted to get my license to take you places, etc.", but hasn't SAID, "I love you." Yoru, on the other hand, has not only been in love with Kano this whole time, but she's been much more open about it. Saying "I fell for someone," & playing the housewife when Kiui & Kim brought Kano home, & saying "I love your singing, & I love you", when they were lying in the snow. She has been saying it in multiple ways & she has been waiting for Kano to say it back all this time. Yoru thinks she's about to say it, & then she walks it back, & she teases her for it, all the while patiently waiting for her to say it for real, & instead of getting "I love you", she gets that comment. It implies that this whole time Kano saw her as someone who couldn't do anything on her own. Kano obviously realizes she shouldn't have said immediately after the words have left her mouth, but it throws their whole relationship into a different light, & Yoru questions whether or not she'll ever hear Kano say "I love you", & worries that Kano's love for her may not be what she thinks it is. That's why I don't find it cliche for her to say "That's what you think of me?" because she has been waiting for her to be honest & stop pretending her kisses, & everything she has said is what she actually means, but she got that instead. Also, I don't expect Yoru to talk to any of the other members of JELEE at the beginning of the next episode, or while she's working on Kano's mother's middle finger to her daughter project in the early stages, but I do think Yoru will realize what a piece of shit Kano's mother is before too long, & Kano will be able to say & show her true love & that she thinks the world of Yoru, & Yoru will choose JELEE in the end. Though, there will probably still be more to it than that.

"A good deed is laid with bad intentions" This is what I feel about Kano's mom. I don't trust her after praising Mahiru at all...

@deathdoor

Ай бұрын

Well, Mahiru is work for her production. It's not a question of trust.

2:31 It is true that Kano has been very very positive to Mahiru, but that is not the issue here, in my opinion. After many years of receiving negative feedback, Mahiru learned to hate herself and her art. Then Kano entered her life and kind of changed that, but not really. The fundamental problem is not whether Kano thinks that Mahiru's art is good, but whether others will see that as well and acknowledge it. For Mahiru, getting acknowledgement from a producer carries a different weight, just as me being acknowledged by my thesis advisor for my professional work is different from being acknowledged by my mother or my partner for the same thing. It is precisely the personal connection between Kano and Mahiru that makes it difficult for Mahiru to accept Kano's praise as an objective evaluation of her skills. There is also the issue that fans of JELEE kind of saw Mahiru's art as holding back the group, which an emotional obstacle that Mahiru had to overcome to decide to fully dedicate to improve her art (go to school and train on the basics). 8:27 I would think that Yukine (Kano's mother) actually said that Kano is just another person trying to get in her way. It has been a while since the incident with Kano and Mero happened, but it does not seem like Yukine has done a lot to reconcile with Kano, which makes me think that Yukine's efforts to recruit Mahiru is not at all a ploy to try to reconcile with her daughter. It is strictly business to her. 11:51 Mero may be involved, but it can't be just her. How would Mero get the information on other idol groups to post on this account? By herself, I think it would be very difficult. The assumption would be that Yukine was behind all this, hence the meat of the problem between Kano and Yukine. Kano saw Yukine as this genius producer that managed to spot talent and turn everything into gold. Much to her disappointment, Yukine presumably was moving her idol group up in fame by bringing other idol groups down, which was the opposite of what Kano saw in her Yukine. Kano's disappointment is understandable. JELEE is a way for Kano to achieve the ideal that she saw in her mother when growing up. Ironically, the account that posted other idol groups scandals is called "Look at reality, idiot." The name of the account is not a coincidence. 14:57 It was interesting how cold Yukine was when Kano mentions her trying to impress her father. I am curious about what the story with the father is. Yukine was just as cold when Mahiru mentioned Kano during the interview. I wonder if Yukine saw Kano's father as a hindrance to her professional goals. The few shots of him in this episode suggest he wasn't taking much care of his appearance. 23:52 When Mahiru told Kano that she wanted to try making art for the Sunflower Dolls, Kano wasn't upset just because she thought that Mahiru was leaving her, in my opinion. I think that part of Kano's reaction was that Kano felt betrayed that Mahiru wanted to work for "her" as in Yukine, the person who betrayed Kano's expectation and seemingly throwed Kano away. Finally, Kano probably thought that the same thing that happened to her would happen to Mahiru if Mahiru worked for Yukine, that is, that Yukine would not hesitate to throw Mahiru away if she saw Mahiru as a hindrance in the future.

From calling her Yoru as the artist of the Jellyfish art that gave Kano inspiration, to the love to Mahiru per se. Kano has become the jellyfish as she more and more relying on Mahiru. Mahiru essentially became her emotional support as Kano has no goal, she just follows what Mahiru says. When Mahiru said Kano could sing for her, it was not helpful for Kano which only made Kano even more relying on Mahiru. So naturally when Mahiru wants to work with Yukine which Kano hates and cancelled all previous plans. Kano would naturally think of it as a betrayal, and Mahiru would drop her, setting her into once again all alone. But Kano is the type of person who does the talk after action, so she says all the things over the top of her head. When Kano realized she said the wrong thing she immediately shut but it was too late. But I believe Mahiru would later on understand she was talking not on rational thinking and it's not to be mean to her. As for Mahiru, I believe she didn't quite understand just how much emotional weight she's carrying nor what the full back story of Kano is. If Mahiru fully knows how the past of Kano is, no doubt she would reject such a proposal. But she didn't, so she prioritized her improvement of drawing in the first place. When Kano said to draw for her, how later turned out was that Kano believed Mahiru needed to draw for her no matter what quality it was. But Mahiru wanted to improve her skill as she was becoming more confident about her art, she wanted her illustration can be well enough for the team, and she wanted somebody can point out what could be improved, to be regarded as an artist, instead of Kano's "As long as is Mahiru drew it I'll take it" mindset. But Mahiru certainly didn't grasp just how "good" her skill really was, this project Yukine proposed was too enormous for her, but in her own mind, she would most certainly want to finish it alone, not to mention the artist in those previous episodes who made Mahiru lost her confidence. At the time she has Kano, but what about this time? Mahiru is heading towards the deep water zone, yet she's unaware. Both Kano and Mahiru are the type of feeling insecure, Kano despite looking like a positive figure, but deep inside her heart it's full of darkness due to how she's being raised, and Mahiru it's lacking confidence in her art, feeling that she is just an ordinary. After Episode 5, we can see that Mahiru would only feel safe when drawing, but Kano can only feel safe when she's with Mahiru. At this point no one knows what Yukine is really up to, but it's certain that she is a nasty selfish woman, in her mind there's no difference between ends and means. She lacks love for her child, only uses Kano as a tool for her fame, as suggested she would not call her real name Kano. Yukine plays well in manipulating people's minds (in fact both Yukine and Kano, but Kano has the motive of true love to Mahiru), she did that on Kano and Mahiru, Mahiru as a high school girl would certainly be buzzed by this tempting invitation and she speaks what Mahiru want, the true recognition of her art. But for now, she likely wants to break the bond between Mahiru and Kano, to annihilate the threat Kano caused to her. Sometimes later she may do the same to Mahiru as to Kano.

This episode hit me harder than Truck-kun hit Rudeus in his last life.

I dont know if theres a manga, i assume so, but its hard not to think Marihu wont make the gig about Kano

If Mahiru was a good person, she would send a picture of the jelly-chan showing her middle finger to Mahiru's mom the moment she got the proposal, knowing how much it would damage her friend to help her enemies.

When Mahiru was talking to Kano’s mom, to then hear Kano’s mother refuse to refer to Kano by name…. That broke my heart. It is easy to see that the mother is manipulative, and Kano is probably reeling over the fact that Mahiru is now wanting to work with her. While what Kano said to Mahiru was really mean, Kano obviously doesn’t know how to act level headed when it comes to her mother. That is really sad. I am interested to see what Mahiru and Kano’s next conversation will be like (curious if Kano will go into more detail about her broken relationship with her mother). While I loved this episode, it was a sad one. I cannot wait for the next one.

@mathmols8835

Ай бұрын

The fact that she reacted to the mom refusing to say Kano and then still decided to work with her, shows what kind of person Mahiru is… Kano should find a new friend, cause Mahiru clearly isnt one

Mahiru is going to have to get her mom to approve. I hope her mom can see through Yukini.

You're expecting too much if you think Mahiru is gonna talk with anyone next episode, she's gonna easily stay the whole episode over in that other company, probably until the end of episode 11 realizes she made a mistake, and they get back together until episode 12.

@mathmols8835

Ай бұрын

Nope. Mahiru expect Kano to apologise to her, since Mahiru 100% clearly doesnt care enough about Kano to apologise herself

Only the fact Kano's natural hair isn't that black talk about her and her mother Your review make me feel that Mahiru doesn't be a part of JELEE anymore

19:20 And again, your wo4ds clarified a thing for me. I was only on the page of "Well, Yoru is yearning to improve and take her art higher." However, now I see that, with Kano and Yukine being so damn alike, having the words that Kano supported Yoru' mental state and emotion health with statt coming from Yukine, of course Yoru is gonna be positively triggered into feeling inspired. Yoru needed those words along the way, so why would those words influence her now. These videos can be so elucidating.

I am _so_ glad my stupid theory was completely off the mark; what we actually got was a lot better.

Glad you’re enjoying this.

I don’t know how you gleaned that insight about the mother. I watched the same episode and 😂saw a calculated, manipulated, and vengeful mother. Only time will tell as to what type of person she is. Very good episode that made me uncomfortable. Should be interesting to see how this evolves.

No matter what else can be said, Kano does really dumb things when she’s upset. I hope the show addresses this.

@mathmols8835

Ай бұрын

Dont think she did anything dumb this episode. Mahiru deserved to be told this after what she have done

I expect next plot going

At 29:06, what did he mean by "I think in the next episode its going to be like shrug its okay, transition the scene"in that specific context? Like in the next episode they shurg it off what kano said to mahiru while kano was lashing out and then transition the scene to mahiru and kano talking directly with each other in real life apologizing to each other and figuring it out, is that what he meant? Please tell me thank you so much.

My theory is that's not her real dad. It's an impersonator

the fatter looks suspiciously similar to that guy who exposed jelly 🤔

At 20:34, its really wrong for who? Wrong for kano to do or wrong for mahiru to do?

What did he say here at 0:54? The 2 percent? What does that mean in this context

I think the idols were engaging in underage smoking. Hence the controversy.

What he say at 26:28? Melo ended up being what? Please tell me

I think she was meeting her dad in secret

At 17:08, kano mentioned about the arm but only complimented right while kano’s mother took it as something for mahiru to improve. So its not quite the same thing am i right?

@joegrimm9629

Ай бұрын

But that is Mahiru's fault too, she never is honest about this stuff, she is weak against bad comments and those optimistic comments from Kano were the engine of Mahiru's work.

@patheticyoungboyspodcast7386

Ай бұрын

@@joegrimm9629like you’re saying its mahiru’s fault that keep downplaying her work so when somebody like yukine or kano compliments her, she immediately work with them? Is that what you mean, am I correct? Also, regarding my original comment, am I correct about that too?

@joegrimm9629

Ай бұрын

@@patheticyoungboyspodcast7386 nope, she wants at that moment a honest comment, but some episodes before she almost left the group because of bad comments.

Mahiru is a high school girl with feelings of insecurity, so she is going to take Kano's words at face value.

I think you miss several key things. Kano praises Mahiru and misses the constructive feedback that Yukine offered (Mahiru pointed out the skewed arm. Not Kano). Yukine is a way for Mahiru to improve. Also, Mahiru is used to people saying she is talented and getting close, only to make fun of her. So I disagree with your take on Mahiru not seeing the obvious. Anxiety and imposter syndrome suck like that. I also don't think Yukine is actively antagonistic. I think her recognizing Mahiru having talent serves to show that Kano takes after her mother for identifying talent. I think the issue is Kano is jealous that neither of her parents acknowledge her, but her mother is noticing her friend more than her. Finally, the biggest obstacle is Kano not talking about her history. She was given a good chance to convince Mahiru not to go, but kept quiet.

@joegrimm9629

Ай бұрын

But she told her that she does not recommend to take the offer. Besides, those things shouldn't be talked by phone call.

The dad seemed creepy. Not sure why I feel that way.

@tama47_

Ай бұрын

More like the dad felt uncomfortable seeing his daughter being “used” by the mother, which was probably why he left her as well.

Mahiru traitor!!!! So naive!!!!

This episode just confirmed that Mahiru is just as bad of a person as the mom. Hope Kano dont forgive/guilt trip herself into trying to be friends with Mahiru again. Mahiru knows how important the group is for Kano, knows how much drama there is with Kano and the mom and most of all promised Kano to make a new song by the end of the year, but still chose the mom over all of that🤦🏼‍♂️ So now both the mom and Mahiru decided to just use Kano and then abandon her when they dont need her anymore Sadly I know the shows will make Kano feel bad and try to fix this, but I really hope they dont, cause Mahiru is just a terrible person

I totally despise the mother, she is speaking as a con artist all the time, she has their daughters living separated for a reason. Now, she is scouting the ilustrator of theiir daughter's group, I know that they are going to redeem her, but I don't think that the mother is redeemable. I don't think that Mahiru doing illustration for 2 musical amateur video is a professional enough illustrator for the assignment anyway. They are going to pass all of it as a misunderstanding, and I don't like it, I don't think that you can justify their attitude with a teenager. She doesn't know either about how they got the gigs, she knows nothing and she is a powerful producer, and we have to believe that :S . Mahiru is really self-centered in this episode, you accept the job of their mother, then you say to her when you are with all the group, then when she had an foreseeable outburst of rage, she clings to her words maximizing her guilt. I don't believe that she could expect a much different reaction of Kano in this situation.

20:52 I, for one, was rooting for Yoru to do the damn jab. She has embraced a life resolving around her art, thanks greatly to Kano. However, JELEE may not be the thing, or the only thing, that feeds Yoru in the future. Taking commissions as an artist is the way that life works. My ex is a graphic designer, and she had to take many jobs to get were she is at as an Editor-In-Charge. My sister is a graphic designer turned teacher, because art may not be all you do. Yoru has a massive opportunity, one that will enhance her skills and financial capabilities for JELEE! This arc is just having to lean on Kano's emotional issues with her relatively shitty mom, which is fascinating for me. I'll root for Kano every time, even if Yukine ends up just being a legitimate businesswoman who accepted her daughter choosing to not be an idol like she wanted.

This episode didn't changed my first impression that there's something "strange" with the writing/text of this series. And obviously Kano's reaction at the end felt a bit forced. Not that I disagree with what happened, just that her reaction and words felt unnatural. Not something that she would say to Mahiru, just something that she had to say that felt wrong and would hurt Mahiru because at this point of the story some drama needs to happen between the two. Also, Kano deserved a punch for invading someone else phone. Also 2, Mero only brought two minors smoking in the workplace to justice.

@petercao1671

Ай бұрын

I know they're doing the whole shitty parent thing with her backstory, but Kano is annoying as hell to me lol.

@tomakakase3691

Ай бұрын

I wouldn't say her words were forced though..nor do I think it's unrealistic for her to say those things. Considering she was used as a tool and clearly has negative emotion towards her mom seeing the person she loves going against what they all had planned probably hurt. And of course things can be said that aren't meant especially in blind rage moments

@khai96x

Ай бұрын

Mero's act is kinda shitty, and if exposed, it's not going put her group in a good light either. Anyway, she has poor OPSEC, a privacy conscious person would have make it that notifications don't reveal message content, as well as having a password that is not easy to guess. (My phone password is entirely random, with no special meaning behind it)

@deathdoor

Ай бұрын

@@tomakakase3691 "I wouldn't say her words were forced though" What she said is the name of the series, it's a tittle drop. Like I said, I don't disagree with what happened fundamentally, but like I said I feel that the writing isn't flowing as smoothly as it could.

@mathmols8835

Ай бұрын

This episode really proved that Mahiru is a trash person