Delsin Rowe is expertly acted, sloppily written

@brandoncain

6 жыл бұрын

Amen to that. I still really enjoy Second Son, though.

@ryanhowe5595

6 жыл бұрын

As sloppily written as Delsin was, he was still enjoyable

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

Enjoyable is not a word I would use to describe Delsin.

@ryanhowe5595

6 жыл бұрын

That's fair, it's more to do with the performance to me personally

@ryanhowe5595

6 жыл бұрын

12:21 I think they did a pretty good job justifying Sam's presense/existence

I agree with you on Eugene. I'm a gamer too, I'm shy, introverted and a little socially awkward as well but I behave like any other person, I have a job and I interact with people. That trope annoys the hell out of me as well and if I had those powers, I would do a far better job that all 4 of them combined, when I first played the game I thought of a thousand better things to imagine to life using that power and I definitely wouldn't be inside the house all day.

How to fix Second Son: Have a cutscene saying "A conduit killed Delsin and Reggie's Parents" and "I use spray painting as an outlet" as well as "The cops always hated the akomish. That's why reggie joined." or something. Boom. Fix the game right there.

@camil2003

6 жыл бұрын

Should of also made Augustine the evil route and not have her kill delsin's brother. The evil ending sounds good until the military nukes Seattle but with Augustine offering Delsin a position as her apprentice(while allowing him the option of a power buffet) the evil ending takes on a whole new meaning when Delsin compromises his beliefs. "After all I wanted power and who has more power than the authority everyone follows." Augustine uses him as a medium to show the DUP is needed while Delsin uses his powers to cause chaos, suffering and fear. Everyone wins.

@brandoncain

6 жыл бұрын

@@camil2003 I like the sound of that evil ending already. Also, he and Augustine actually become friends.

@whodatninja439

5 жыл бұрын

you should've been the writer

@jamainegardner4193

3 жыл бұрын

Or make their parents dormant conduits who died with the RFI and Reggie hates all conduits because Cole (The poster-boy conduit) killed them. Then it's an actual divided loyalty on whether he loves Delsin or hates him because his hatred of conduits conflicts with his love for his family.

@gastersceleton3053

3 жыл бұрын

Power of imagination, always fix everything...

"You okay?" "Yeah, fit as a fiddle." "...That's a big ass fiddle." Saw it coming and it still made me laugh.

Damn eugene with the hentai haven shirt

@the_rose_garden01

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Was just about to comment on that!

@Noirenoe

4 жыл бұрын

Damn that was funny

@lukenotskywalker6828

4 жыл бұрын

The fact that you can equip it on delsin makes it better.

@damariusgriffin

3 жыл бұрын

Bro I knew I couldn't have been the only one who saw it 😂😂😂

The characters' lack of depth is what bothered me the most about this game. inFamous 2 had some of the best characters in any game at the time. Hell, Nyx is arguably the best character of the second game. She's the game's "evil" influence, and yet, when push came to shove, she was more than willing to put her life on the line in order to cure the plague and stop The Beast from wiping out humanity. Character moments like that were what I was missing when I played Second Son.

@deviyonyoung3124

5 жыл бұрын

GuitarrAssassin Kuo became a little bitch but she’s the “good” influence

@ownedmaxer607

4 жыл бұрын

@@deviyonyoung3124 You try laying your life on the line, knowing your going to die. It isn't a graceful switch, but it's believable based on the threat of continued survival shaking even the most stoic of people. More believable by the end of the game where Kuo laments that she fucked up and that even Nix made the right choice while she was too scared to. That made me appreciated Kuo "the ice queen" a bit more because she was still human and feared death, even in the face of what was actually right, outside of all the moments she appeared as a moral martyr. That switch provided weight to the theme of InFamous: "the good choice isn't always the easy choice"

@ryanhowe6543

4 жыл бұрын

Nix didn't really go against the beast for any noble motivation, like she said: she didn't care if the RFI cured the plague or not, she only cared about was that the beast dies

@GuitarrAssassin

4 жыл бұрын

Regardless of her reasoning, Nix still did the right thing in the end.

@ryanhowe6543

4 жыл бұрын

Even if it didn't cure the plague, it would still the "right thing"?

The way Delsin develops and acts is what leads me to believe that the evil side is what was originally intended to be canon. If you try to sync up the timeline with Kessler’s where the raysphere incident did not happen it seems to sync up with when Delsin appears. I can get really specific but in short I believe that Delsin was really the beast, not John. A psycho trying to amass more power makes more sense than a villain causing destruction to save people from the fallout of an incident that never happened. The evil ending just makes way more sense to me in comparison.

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

In my own head canon, anyone can be the Beast, Delsin included. Also sounds pretty cool.

@superlombax1561

6 жыл бұрын

Zivalene Yeah. I was about to say that. The Evil Ending of Second Son will probably end up being canon.

@prestoncarter4943

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe in the original timeline Delsin stole John's powers

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

All this time I was only with it being Cole as the Beast in other timelines, but Delsin is just as interesting.

@kingrevolt217

6 жыл бұрын

What would've thrown me for a loop was if second son was a prequel telling the backstory for the beast and what eventually lead to him squaring off against cole

You’re correct about the Delsin’s brother saying he’s proud. Trish is disappointed about cole being evil and is proud if cole is good

@Eric_Cartman1

6 жыл бұрын

the savage camper gamplay I think Reggie was proud of Delsin because Delsin was doing whatever it takes to save the tribe where Reggie was willing to give up regardless of Delsin's karma state. It can remind me of Zeke as he never had "malice" towards Cole in Infamous 1 & 2 regardless of Cole karma state but he felt "disgusted" if Cole sided with John.

@ryanhowe5595

5 жыл бұрын

It's bad writing

@ownedmaxer607

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eric_Cartman1 So you're telling me that this man, who swore to protect and serve, has nothing negative to say to his brother that has mercilessly cut down other human beings (DUP or otherwise). Rather, in his last words, he expresses nothing but pride in his serial sibling because he's committing all these vicious acts of violence and mass murder to save "their people"? IT'S BAD WRITING

@ryanhowe6543

4 жыл бұрын

@Tentant lasket it's super lazy

@ninjawarrior9604

4 жыл бұрын

But u are forgetting Betty. Betty is disappointed if u are evil and disowns u but if u are a hero she respects him. But u right about Reggie

This is why Second Son wasn't as good as the other 2. Launch Title. Just wanted to make it look pretty.

@ryanhowe5595

5 жыл бұрын

I believe this is not a good game almost objectively, but the lack of giving a shit about the continuity of the series is one of (if not) the worst things about the game

@pano3410

4 жыл бұрын

It wasn't a launch title.

@Zivalene

4 жыл бұрын

Released 4 months after the console launched and was one of the first popular IP's from a renowned publisher to be brought over to the new generation, which was planned to encourage consumers to buy the new console. It's a launch title.

@pano3410

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zivalene if it's not available from launch, it's not a launch title. (Edit: and it was five months, well 4 months and a couple days)

@ownedmaxer607

4 жыл бұрын

@@pano3410 Arguing on the basis of logistics, instead of the basis of context, which everyone else is stating; fuck parties, you're just fun all year 'round, aren't you?

I think my main gripe with the game was one of the aspects that originally caught my interest in the first place; Delsin's four unique powers. While their traversal uses were decently implemented, their combat uses were pretty much exactly the same. You have a light attack, a heavy attack, a crowd-control attack, and maybe one unique thing that the other powers don't have. Contrast to Cole (if you exclude transferring with Kuo/Nix) and Fetch, they only had one power, but they were both fleshed out so much more. Hell, Cole could use his lightning as a grappling hook to pull himself towards objects, or enemies toward him. How does that work? I don't know, but it definitely was drastically more different than his other powers. It's the classic quality > quantity case.

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

Ironically, Cole has more powers than Delsin, but as you said, they are far more varied and with different approaches to strategy and situations than Delsin's.

@BornOnThursday

6 жыл бұрын

I felt exactly the same while playing through the game twice for both good and evil playthroughs, the powers were too similar with certain qualities that made them more useful in certain situation rather than varied based on the element being used. Cole couldn't drive or get in a car because he would fry it, and he couldn't use a gun because he gun powder would explode on contact, and he couldn't swim because his electricity would discharge and he was weakened by being drained (not sure if that last one is accurate). Delson on the other hand doesn't have these weaknesses, so they become questionable while playing the game. Why doesn't Delson take one of the DUP guns, why doesn't he drive one of the vehicles to get around the city, why can't he swim? Are conduits like the devil fruit users in one piece where it's a common trait? Rhetorical. Infamous was clever about its gameplay, and why it wasn't just Grand Theft Auto with powers. We were given less access to the world because of the narrative, and it worked towards explaining the gameplay, keeping our suspension of disbelief.

@superlombax1561

6 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@MilkCalf

6 жыл бұрын

I think the main downfall of Delsin's powers is how defined they are. Nevermind them being completely unrealistic and silly, they did one thing (and also copied from Cole because reasons). Meanwhile Cole had electricity. He basically had power itself as his power. That's why he had so many ways of using it and why Kesler had such a different way of using them.

@THaupt03

5 жыл бұрын

Most likely the reason why Delsin''s powers are less refined has more to do with the limited development time Second Son had than the multiple powers idea. Sucker Punch got started on Second Son after FoB came out so that left them a little over 2 years to develop everything from scratch. Compare and contrast InFAMOUS 1's 4 year development cycle. It just makes the game feel more like an elaborate tech demo than a full-fledged title.

“Its a hicksickle!” Made me laugh out loud uncontrollably for at least 10 minutes when I first played that mission. I love inFamous 2 with my whole heart

Eugene was to good for this game and he was a literal reality warpers that could have beat the beast without the rfi if he was in the second game but he has to be the punching bag like all nerdy characters. Thought we left that shit in the 80s.

@johanthanjohabsen6036

4 жыл бұрын

No

@luisarms7004

3 жыл бұрын

@@locococo8961 eugene was holding back against delsin as he said in the game. Eugene clearly has more potential and could just create water and kill Cole. “The most powerful conduit of all time” lmao

@shastealyomeal

2 жыл бұрын

Nerd Rage 🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓

@parry3439

2 жыл бұрын

@@luisarms7004 what exactly is stopping Cole from literally absorbing his constructs? they're digital, ones and zeroes, which are made of electrical pulses.

@luisarms7004

2 жыл бұрын

@@parry3439 Its stated in first light that the constructs are made of light. Hard light holograms. Play the game dumbass

Second Son suffered from a giant unfixable flaw, bad writing. its like SuckerPunch only had a week to right a compelling narrative so they rushed every characters storyline, leaving all the characters redemptions empty and undeserved.

@lunarnocturne

6 жыл бұрын

Half-Past-Ham I honestly feel like they rushed this game out so they could release it as a launch title for the PS4.

@kingrevolt217

6 жыл бұрын

I think the game up to the 3rd act was at least decent despite the lack of quality in the writing

@ryanhowe5595

5 жыл бұрын

For a game made by the same team behind the previous games, this feels like a game made by a team that fundamentally doesn't understand inFAMOUS

Cole had 2 games to develop, but honestly it felt like they almost reset his character between Infamous 1 and 2. Still, the point from where he started and the point where he ended in both games were noticeably different. Delsin on the other hand...is just the same dick either way. I even remember calling bullshit when Reggie acts the same towards you regardless of your choices. Trish pretty much calls you a monster if you have evil karma when she dies. The more I am reminded about Second Son, the more I regret playing it in comparison to the other 2.

@ryanhowe6543

4 жыл бұрын

Reset as how cole was writen between the two games or how he has to pick wether to be good or bad or both?

I was looking for "essay" style video for this game like 2 weeks ago and never found anything, what a great coincidence! I appreciate the effort you put into this, please make more.

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

How ironic that I started doing this 2 weeks ago. Thank you. :)

@GamerTalez

6 жыл бұрын

Woahh, it's those pseudo science manifestations people are prattling about.

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's almost like your searching made me subconsciously start making videos. Thanks, psychic friend!

I'm a fan of Second Son. And you're a terrible person for having logical points of contention. Well articulated points that are clearly thought out. Subbed btw in case my very dry humor didn't shine through.

Despite the flaws with Infamous Second Son, I still enjoyed the game.

Honestly I like Reggie's viewpoint on Delsin him wanting to shield his brother from the world because of what he now is. I relate heavily because I have sister and she is my favorite person in the world even though we have are ups and downs. For instance, if conduits were real, the blast happened, Cole using the RFI happened, and now the events of Second Son were happening, and then my sister suddenly became a conduit, I would try to keep her safe, devote my life to protecting her from the authority who wants to take her away forever. Keeping her probably locked up in a place where she would be safe from them. And if she went down the path Delsin went down, to basically go disrupt D.U.P operations, I would keep a tight leash on what she does. It may seem cruel by I would care about her safety and trying to forget her powers are there then embracing it, it's a safer life for her.

The karma in Second Son didn't even make any sense and felt tacked-on compared to the other games. Evil karma with Cole always felt like it made sense because Cole had a shity life and he was societies bottom boy and even then he didn't go full-on baby killer evil from the beginning as he started out small such as scaring people and intimidating them to do what he wanted them to do. He still would have never sold Zeke or Trish out from the beginning no matter if he was evil. Delsins first Karma choice is to sell out his tribe to the d u p to protect himself. If Delsin was that evil than the whole game would have never happened as he would have never put himself in danger to save his tribe if he was willing to sell them out. Delsin never had a reason to go evil but this is an Infamous game and it needed an evil route.

@deviyonyoung3124

5 жыл бұрын

Jason so true

@raphaelb5237

3 жыл бұрын

He only went evil to get that photon light coochy

8:40 Infamous 1 also developed Cole much better than Delsin in that game alone.

Conspiracy maybe fetch was the main character and delsin was just a empty shell we use to spectate fetch journey.

having a brother and being raised by cops I can see what Reggie is going through, he loves delsin and wants him to be what he knows he can be but doesn't know how to communicate that to him. at least I see it that way cause he says a lot of the same stuff my parents said to me growing up while I was trying to find how to Express myself. As for the conduit part, Its been awhile since I've played it but didn't he play it off as a disease for delsin versus him being one, similar to someone getting cancer. I do wish there was a scene where they dive into these things but was hoping that more would be shown if a sequel was made.

When you realize that Delsin is the "What if Zeke had powers" character

Yeah, I was so confused. I ignored Second Son for so long due to my opposition to the idea of a continuation to the good ending to 2 but eventually tried it to see the gameplay and characters and ended up confused. It's weird coming off characters like Nyx and everyone to have stereotypes like Eugene. A part of me wants to believe it was due to this game being rushed to fit in the launch window of the ps4 but you can never know. Honestly, I wonder how much they could have did better if they just gave it a bit more time to work on

@Step43099

6 жыл бұрын

superkdude8D It could’ve been worse. It could’ve been the most unplayable game in existence. Like Superman 64

@ryanhowe6543

4 жыл бұрын

It probably went down like this: Nate Fox: okay, lets start making inFAMOUS 3- wait, what? The trophy data says more people have played goid karma first, okay I don't want to piss anyone off so let's make the safest decisions possible and make a game set after that ending and let's be lazy about it Or maybe this Sony: okay, so according to the trophy data, more people played good karma fist, so Mr. Fox, you HAVE to make a game set after the good ending Nate Fox: but that doesn't make any sense, I have a 3rd game planned and having a game set after the good ending makes no sense Sony: YOU HAVE TO!! OR YOUR FIRED!! Nate Fox: Fine! You want it, I'll fuckin' give it to you! (Angry and gritting his teeth) Sony: good, now I want you to say you wanted to honor their choice and yada yada Nate Fox: (mumbling to himself) I'm gonna make this game intentionally badly

That feel when Delsin’s brother is a better main protagonist than Delsin himself. Makes me wonder how it would’ve gone if Reggie had the Conduit gene instead.

@kartikayysola

4 жыл бұрын

Or even both of them, with Delsin deciding to go crazy with his powers while Reggie has to rein him in, evade Augustine, AND find a way to help the tribe.

I want infamous 1 and 2 remastered

@wsxmmm0374

6 жыл бұрын

Tj Sidhu fax

@superlombax1561

6 жыл бұрын

Tj Sidhu Me too. Why isn’t that a thing yet?

@tjs1212

6 жыл бұрын

Super Lombax cause they're making ghost of thish somthing

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

Ghost of Tsushima. Google isn't hard to use.

@tonystark-bl1vu

3 жыл бұрын

@@tjs1212 the way you wrote that I thought it said ghost of Trish As in Coles 'dead' gf in infamous 1

I actually forgot they even mention their parents that one and only time.

I personally love infamous second son, but I also agree with all of your points, can’t wait for the next part ^-^

And this all could be avoided if they went with the evil ending

We saw Eugene use his power in a way we’ve only ever seen the beast use his: Creating a giant monster to control that is extremely destructive. And on one of the loading screens it’s revealed that Eugenes mom was a congresswoman who voted for the DUP’s installation and that Eugene got his powers shortly after. I wanna know more about that. Why didn’t Eugene get his own stand alone game? Why didn’t we get to see get to see more of his character or his relationship with his mother? His character is too shallow.

it's kind of creepy to imagine all of this stuff i loved from second son may have been just the product of other characters who had been fleshed out supporting another character who was more or less just a 'meh'bag during the reign of his story--even the antagonist had more interest to work off of than who i was * actually playing as *

in my head canon Delsin is the Beast from Kessler's time-line, however when Kessler accelerates the development of the Ray sphere, he made Jonh the beast

For me personally, i like infamous second son. Mostly from the gameplay alone, but i also really like the story. I view it more as a sidestory compared to infamous 1 and 2, and just try not to think of it as a sequel to infamous 2 because of narrative plot holes you've described in the previous video. And i enjoy the story like a popcorn flick. Enjoyable, but it's just that. The main characters were likeable enough for me to support and they are entertaining. So yeah, not much else. I guess what i'm trying to say is i do understand what you're pointing out regarding the game's flaws in its story but even so, i still enjoy the story for what it is. And the gameplay is awesome enough for me to like the game. But yeah infamous 1 and 2 are better overall (especially Infamous 2)

The intro made me laugh. XD Just started, I bet this will be a good one. Edit: Now that I've finished the video, I can honestly state that every point you made was spot on, true facts. Second Son was really underdeveloped compared to 1 and 2. It felt... rushed.

You've really made me rethink how I view this game. Great video. It's too bad Sucker Punch slipped up on this game when it comes to character depth.

Delsin and Reggie's characters were squandered and they had so much potential to be something greater. A factor I would've loved to see is delsin and self loathing. In the beginning when he tells Reggie he's 'one of them' that could've been something great. Have us explore how delsin See's himself as a freak and as the game progresses he starts changing. If you choose good karma maybe he starts to accept who he truly is especially after seeing how his positive influence affected Fetch and Eugene ultimately changing him into a hero. Or if you choose bad karma he starts to change that self loathing into a hatred and he unleashes his rage onto the populace and DUP becoming angry, easily irritated and generally confirming the public's fear of conduits, after all "when a normal person has a bad day he punches a hole in his way...when a conduit has a bad day the body count is in the double digits" And small side note...I fucking hate how no matter what Reggie says he's proud of delsin...even if you slaughtered dozens of his fellow officers

@kartikayysola

4 жыл бұрын

Hell it WAS done better. In First Light specifically, showing us how Fetch's brother was a calming influence on her, and a major guiding force in her life.

Infamous 1 and 2 evil route: made sense, it wasn’t just black and white, I agreed with Cole sometimes. Infamous second son: Haha neon beam go brrr

This just popped up in my recommendations and im so gladed it did. SUBBED

to be honest I completely forgot about all of these characters.

The creators rushed infamous second son I feel like they should give delsin more DLC about what happened after the DUPS END

@camil2003

6 жыл бұрын

green beedrill rather get a better game.

@tjs1212

6 жыл бұрын

green beedrill yeah this game could have been amazing with more development time

@thegreatguldo9956

6 жыл бұрын

Tj Sidhu yeah and I think make a game about delsins parents

@joaquindiaz3621

6 жыл бұрын

green beedrill well they did but ( is the origami killer ) or something like that but they dont continue it

@thegreatguldo9956

6 жыл бұрын

Joaquin Diaz I mean like we should no more about what happend beside you can't get paper

Huh. I just finished Part 1 of this earlier today, interesting twist of fate that. Was eagerly waiting for the next one and here it is. Neat.

Why am I just now finding this channel this is perfect

Why did Eugene even attack Delsin when he tried to enter his literal mother's basement? I always felt like I missed a story beat, but I don't think I did. He coulda just explained to him the situation, given his powers, and off Delsin goes. As for Eugene's story resolution, in the first mission he was in, he mentions how he understands and loves Delsin's graffiti, why wasn't that ever expanded on? They could've easily had him resolve to do things his way by the end of his arc, standing up to Delsin in the process for constantly berating him, with some video graffiti of his own to signify him following in Delsin's footsteps in his own way. I think that would've been a whole lot more satisfying, and it would've rid him of having only one defining trait, that of a sweaty MMO nerd. I also think that that's what should've unlocked the stencil art minigame. Let's not have it be just Delsin tagging things up for no reason, let's have him competing with Eugene, friendly competition and all that. Ya know, have it be connected to the story. Like side content in every other Infamous game.

Glad youtube recommended me to you. You're pretty funny

This video was extremely interesting and insightful. I never knew why I hated second son so much despite the fun gameplay it had. Until watching this video, you've spelt it our for me clearly there was no personality there it was all dry cut and bone tropes. Thank you

@ryanhowe6543

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly found the game boring as shit

Yeah, I got whiplash when Delsin started talking about how awesome his powers are 5 minutes after he thinks he's a freak because of his powers.

So I'm enjoying this look back at a game from one off my favorite series that just failed to live up to its potential, but there is something that no one ever seems to mention about this game that I hope you will, the powers. In inFAMOUS 1 & 2 Cole constantly bemoans his powers, he picked up a gun and it exploded in his face, he can never get in a car again, in inFAMOUS 2 there is a bath with a sponge and a grounding wire in it that implies that is the only way Cole can clean himself without dying. But Delsin says 'The only downside being... nope this is pretty awesome.' It's a small thing but I feel it helps explain why Cole isn't as happy about getting powers as Delsin and why Delsin doesn't seem to worry about the downside of new powers. Kuo freezes Cole's face when she first gets her powers, god knows what Burtrand and Nix did when they were starting out.

@Peasham

6 жыл бұрын

That's an argument for why Delsin's powers should have a downside, not why it's okay for them not to have a downside, way I see it. It only would've made him more human.

@EpicFailz124

6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, if Delsin had something bad happen like since he absorbs the powers of conduits why not drain life force like Rogue from the X-MEN. In an early demo they showed Delsin finding Fetch and the moral choice was to only leech a small bit of power, or drain her dry and kill her. would have been interesting.

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

Oh don't worry, I will.

@superlombax1561

6 жыл бұрын

Adam Greenway It’s “I’m the avatar! You’ve gotta deal with it!” all over again.

While listening to what you were saying about Hank, and I started noticing some similarities between him and Spider-Man 3's Sand Man. Both of them have daughters (That are only seen once I might add), rob banks, got into trouble with law enforcement, gained their powers before running into the protagonists of their respective stories and worked with the major antagonists for the sake of their daughters. You know, it would be hilarious if Sucker Punch admitted that they were trying to make their own version of Sand Man, but with smoke powers instead.

@Zivalene

5 жыл бұрын

The infamous wiki also mentions this similarity.

@keeganstormblade5456

5 жыл бұрын

@@Zivalene Oh? So I'm not the only one who made that comparison. That's nice to know.

When regy died delson should have learnt to grow up and take his situation more seriously

*THANK YOU RECOMMENDATIONS FOR RECOMMENDING THIS CHANNEL*

When they eventually announce the next infamous game in 2020-2021 I really do hope they don’t rush it, I’m honestly kinda disappointed we’re getting Ghost Of Tsushima from Sucker Punch as I’m desperately itching for my InFamous fix but good games need the proper amount of time to be cooked, I just hope I doesn’t end up being a PS5 launch title and therefore another lacklustre half-cooked game.

@storkyfallout6516

6 жыл бұрын

I've been on a PS3 binge and yeah I have a feeling that they have been working on Ghost of tsushima for a while 🤞 it's good and they go on a short holiday to celebrate and revitalize their creative juices I posted my veiw on how the story could go on the comments.....I live in Alaska so sorry for doing this so late

Themes/lessons from infamous: Infamous 1:Confront your problems or they get worse. Infamous 2:The good choice isn't always the easy one. Infamous second son:???

@superlombax1561

3 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing "Enjoy your powers." Get it cause it's the tagline for the game

@Zivalene

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I read the comics that bridge them together, so yes.

@Zivalene

3 жыл бұрын

Plus, trying to explain how he isn't the same person is way harder. Evil clone? Separate dimension?

See, in Eugene's defense, I was like him in high school, although I grew out of it as I went out into the world However I give the game leeway because Eugene was taken by the DUP when he was in high school and never got a chance to develop into and adult. Seriously, it's scary how close to my behavior in high school Eugene exhibits. As you said, introverted, nerdy, completely absorbed in games as an escape... I agree with the rest of the video, I just feel the "nasally, shut-in nerd" trope isn't as inaccurate as some think.

Actually, part of the reason Delsin was willing to trust Hank was because, in his words, they’ve “got no love for Augustine”.

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

That's a horrible reason. Of course a Conduit criminal would have no love for the warden of the Conduit jail. Lol

@superlombax1561

6 жыл бұрын

Zivalene Yeah. Which is why Delsin would’ve never imagined that Hank would’ve worked with Augustine for any reason.

I would like to think that delson's need was to show people that humans and conduits can live together I think those were his needs like he needed to show them a better path

This is the first analysis on IF:SS that I have seen and everything that bugged me is here! So glad someone finally did this. I was hyped so much for iF:SS when it was first announced, and disappointed when its over. A lot of thing felt watered down and the paper trail dlc felt like "we're sorry that we forgot all this character arc we should have told in the first place" but still, I say the story did went into right direction, First Light is a proof of that. Waiting and see if GoT is going to be good, otherwise I have no hope for next iF.

@blazingsol2287

6 жыл бұрын

Also iF:SS endings is dumb on both side.Good ending has GOOD IS COOL, PEACE & HARMONY, and a bit of a call back to iF2 in a cheap attempt to make me cry, while bad? WE'RE EVIL NOW, LOL.

I just now have discovered this Channel. And so far. I agree with all the points you have stated about the Infamous games. They are some of my favorite games. But Second Son is my least favorite. But one of my favorite powers. I’m honestly hoping so much for a new Infamous with a much better plot with more in-depth characters.

I feel like this game just needed more time to flesh everything out. The story felt rushed and it was essentially "Quick get powers and then kill big bad!" when it should have been much slower giving people time to do things. Alongside that Karma should have had a bigger impact as throughout the story like you said Delsin doesn't change too much as the only big changes in the grand scheme of things are at the end with the public eye and the ending (which imo both endings were pretty good with the Hero one being sombre and the Infamous one actually being somewhat realistic to the situation). Here is hoping the next Infamous games if we get some more I hope it improves upon this stuff.

glad this part two is finally out, I love it (even if I am two days late lol)

"Delsin wants to get more power to save his tribe, but what does he need?" Concrete, next question

@Zivalene

2 жыл бұрын

Need being a spiritual change he must make that he had no means of doing from where he started to obtain concrete. Didn't follow the examples at all in the video, huh?

@TankTheDragon

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zivalene No, I followed them, like how Nathan Drake always wants to find this lost city filled with treasure, but always needs to learn that somethings are more important than gold (I think that's along the same lines) However, the way the question was phrased, I literally said that out loud

@Zivalene

2 жыл бұрын

Thats a far more accurate answer than what you answered for Delsin. So what is the appropriate answer for Delsin?

@TankTheDragon

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zivalene Physically, Concrete Spiritually....idk, appreciate his brother? Best I got

@Zivalene

2 жыл бұрын

Probs because "Wants vs. Needs" wasn't applied to Delsin.

For anyone who hasn't played the first inFamous after cole says "Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Santa Claus shot JFK." the game goes into a loading screen with a quote from JFK. Just wanted to put that out there.

The beginning doe

I think what would have been a great way to characterize Delsin is to have his backstory go as this. At the beginning of the game bother Delsin and his brother are against Conduits. This is a result of their parents being killed by one... Cole. Both of their parents died in the Empire City blast that gave Cole his powers. Perhaps they were on a business trip or vacation, why doesn't matter on that they died. This way it gives a personal reason as to why Delsin became a rebel. He's using his love of graffiti to cope with his parents loss even after all these years, maybe their father or mother was an artist and Delsin got his love of art from them. Delsin grows up resenting Cole for what happened, and by extensions Conduits. Then Delsin finds out he is a conduit and as the story progresses he learns more about the hardships of being one and the truth behind Cole. He finds out that Cole didn't purposefully destroy Empire City and it wasn't his fault and that Cole was a hero. He finally lets go of his rebellious attitude and starts taking responsibility for his actions and decides to become the hero that he needs to be. To honor his parents, Cole's sacrifice, and the conduits that are suffering.

@superlombax1561

6 жыл бұрын

Matthew Hilliker Y’know, that could be interesting. Hopefully, Ziv will see this.

Fuck it, I guess I’ll play devil’s advocate lol. Now don’t get me wrong they’re a lot of things that I agree with you on. Although, I’m gonna see if I can make a better argument for Delsin. “Cole‘a story is about not running away from your responsibilities and accepting your purpose while Delsin’s story is more about expectations and finding your purpose. I can elaborate more if you want, just let me know…

@TheSoCalledZoner1

Ай бұрын

That did not make any sense for a human being such as yourself

Idk how I was subes to your channel saw your vid in my sub box and I actually really like it keep up the good work

I’ve been waiting for this😂 Finally my happiness can continue lol.

19:13 oh shit I didn't know Mr Clean was in InFamous Second Son

Euguene was the most OP character in the game. It made me wonder why Delsin didn't just ask him to use his powers to storm Augustine's base after their mission. Also Fetch should've been the Main Character. I kinda like her.

@JuanSolo9

6 жыл бұрын

Nocktuk Daze she's the main character in the standalone dlc/prequel game Infamous: First Light

@superlombax1561

6 жыл бұрын

Nocktuk Daze Because apparently Augustine >>>>>>>>>> imagination.

@Peasham

6 жыл бұрын

I also like how Delsin can't think of anything on his own with video, and just does what Eugene does. That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works.

@nocktukdaze8256

6 жыл бұрын

Peasham Fuck, you're right!

Delsin is still a kid, that’s why he acts immature, he doesn’t change the way he acts, but he does have a purpose to fighting the DUP, he has to get to Augustine to be able to get concrete powers to save the tribe, it creates an ending in which he either saves the tribe or gets banished from it which ends out well, I’m not saying it’s better, I’m just saying you need to take these into account instead of looking at it tunnel-visioned.

@Zivalene

3 жыл бұрын

24 years old is "a kid"? To an old geezer maybe.

@yuh8461

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zivalene I watch professional sports and they refer to people in their early 20s as kids, because they’re still young and learning, from what we know delsin has never really left salmon bay, so he didn’t know much about the world, I’m not saying your wrong about your take, you’re just taking a heavily biased point of view

@Zivalene

3 жыл бұрын

I know plenty of people younger than 24 that act far more mature than Delsin. Not saying he's not realistic, I'm saying he's a stereotype. I'd rather not settle for a stereotype for my main protagonist playable character. He should be the main attraction with the most exposure, but that title goes to Fetch, a side character.

@yuh8461

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zivalene he’s a realistic character, that’s how people like him, sometimes a realistic character is better than one who goes through changes throughout a game or story

@Zivalene

3 жыл бұрын

Delsin is more on the static side on the spectrum of character development. He hardly learns to be more responsible, he acts the same throughout, he just accomplishes his goal the same way he intended to, not obtaining something spiritually along the way to accomplish his goal. Also, I never intended to be unbiased. I am explaining why I clearly do not like it and why I think SP took a huge drunk step back. Personally glad they dropped inFAMOUS for Ghost of Tsushima, treat the new child better than how they left the old one.

I think the reason they didn’t do these things with second son is cause they were to focused on the graphics of the game and when it was close to releasing they didn’t have time to do all these things and didn’t want to delay it which I think they should’ve done for the better of this game and fully explain everything like how are conduits alive and stuff like that

Eugene: has conduit powers that are based around video games... *Only uses demons and angels*

@Zivalene

5 жыл бұрын

Technically he has pixel powers that he could do absolutely anything with like Green Lantern. Chooses to form his powers around his favorite video game and for some reason Delsin isn't imaginative enough to make up his own manifestation for the same powers.

Another solid video! 👍 Also, that intro lmao

You should do more franchises you like but I am pretty glad to see infamous vids. I'm glad I watched this since I'm trying to be a but more critical about what I play and I think this helped a bit :)

I wonder what your take on that boy aqua video is.

I think Eugene and Hank should have had their own game like Fetch so they would get more fleshed out.

@imcr2352

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

I've just finshed watching 3 of your videos. They were great. Subcribing right away. Keep the amazing content and you've got yourself a loyal subscriber.

Funnily enough, I know this inFamous/Kill la Kill/Venom crossover fanfic called inHuman that is actually working to address a lot of your issues with Second Son in said story. Though admittedly, this seems to be a slow process as I've only seen hints and inklings of that in said story. But I can still see where an effort is being made.

Better story/ characters = infamous 1+2 Better Gameplay = Second Son

I'm surprised you didn't mention the "penal code" line from Cole. That always gave me chortles.

i subscribed 30 minutes ago and im already seeing the part 2 to this, hell yeah.

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

Good timing. :)

You know after watching your videos and replaying second son it seems like it could look like the evil ending was canon before changing think about this The game is set in a fictional version of Seattle called seaport and the opening is about the same but where it diverges is delsin has an angel and a demon at his shoulders Reggie and cole macgrath whos in seaport cresting conduits The karma system could be represented by two people, good for Reggie and bad for cole, Reggie implores delsin to do things that are considered heroic while cole implores delsin does things more infamous The dup occupation is done as a way to locate and eliminate cole macgrath and by working with the dup you show that not all conduits are evil while doing dismantling them shows that your as destructive as cole You can choose to arrest suspected conduits working for cole and even recruit conduits who are likeminded in your karma rank to either help the dup or join cole The dup itself is a response to coles actions in new Marais and are a nationwide task force set up to find and detain conduits while also being ordered to kill macgrath with conduits even in their ranks who share the same goals as the dup It’s a rough sketch but even this can show the potential of what second son could have improved upon

Ya second sons story and characters were very lacking but imo the gameplay totally makes up for it, I spent hours running and messing around. It was smooth and crisp and the powers and ability trees were good fun.

@JuanSolo9

6 жыл бұрын

RichytheKing13 I agree, and after playing as Hero and Infamous I found the Hero side to be more fun and rewarding.

As a fanfiction writer, Hell yeah! I'd love to have Eugene's video powers!

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

Brandon, I saw your previous comment on another video. If you need a beta reader for your drafts, let me know. I love to help out fellow fiction writers.

I wanna see the aftermath of delsin getting all the powers of curden cay so damn badly

@superlombax1561

6 жыл бұрын

Don't we all. I just want them to resume inFamous overall.

Isn't Delsin's Want vs Needs basically that he wants to save his Tribe and that he needs Powers? and isn't the theme the catchline that gets stated at the beginning of the game and then again at the end " We Take care of our own"? Also, I think the starting archetype the 'Rebel' was progressed depending on what side you chose, not as a completely new entity but as an evolved one, with evil it promoted disorder, chaos, and just pure mayhem. While good was promoting freedom, justice, and other Altruistic qualities. It was more explicitly seen in the gameplay rather than the cutscenes, but it was still there. I guess rather than just bad guy vs good guy they were looking for a more idealistic aesthetic so with Infamous Second Son the two paths the "Rebel" can go is rather Egoistic Anarchism VS Altruistic Libertarianism. -Just a thought, you probably won't read it but thanks for making the video

I agree with all of your points and your explanation actually opened up my eyes a bit more about the characters. I'm glad you made these videos about the characters since you don't often see videos around deep analysis of characters in the series. I find it glaring how Augustine looked similar to my former art teacher from Elementary/Middle School, who I later grew to hate, which intensified my initial dislike towards Augustine. Uncanny Valley.

Still hoping that somehow SuckerPunch will make another Infamous game, especially with the scrapped ideas of glass and wire. I'd like to play as the paper conduit.

I think i just found another channel with thought out opinions thanks. Side note: the only funny moments i even found in the game was the billboard chick(feels rude to say but no idea on name) Delsin calls. In my sort of unique perspective I loved Infamous 1 and its easily considered the best ending plot twist ive ever seen in a game! Of course thats opinion. Sadly when it came to Infamous 2 i kindve sort of havent played it=( always wanted to but It was never in stores when i had the money. As for second son the same thing happened as with infamous 2 till playstation store dropped a sale with it at like 3 dollars and i jumped on board. Playing through the first time of course i went the pure good route and i think i honestly got too swept up in the return to sandbox Gameplay and the newness of the different powers, so much so that i didnt pay much attention to the story. Recently i finished a Bad playthrough and a little over the rush of the gameplay the story became glaringly terrible. I think maybe its a bit more terrible when your playing the evil path since nothing seems to change around you based on your choices and personally the powers are super sub par in that route. That kindve pushes you to lean to the story a bit more and every interaction along that route seems forced and out of place. Even the characters as you mentioned feel very cookie cutter and in the bad route just kindve run along on a track when Delsin decides to "corrupt" them, there isnt a conversation or argument just yep im evil your evil now ok *looks over to see a thumbs up* got it!! Sorry its long and not very thought out but keep up the good work im looking forward to the next video

Damn I love that video opening

Delson felt like he needed a good sequel. I also felt alternate endings should've been higher. I also think reggie makes sense to me because I had brothers like him.

You're absolutely right about Eugene. I'm a mechanical engineer, gamer, and robotics nut that went to college. I passed some ridiculous classes, including English 102, Calculus III, Differential Equations, Programming, AutoCAD III, etc. I even have all the world record high scores on the PS3 version of the video game Shatter, yet I can still maintain a normal conversation like any other person. Neither me or anyone I went to college with act like Eugene at all. We're all just regular, normal people. We don't even use big vocabulary words. I hate how society treats us like this.

I've been wracking my brain through the first two infamous games the past few days. Do you think there would be a possibility of a split in the time line since the SECOND SON is a subtitled game with infamous brand Like this Infamous 1-------------------2--------- Second son \====== Any response would be welcome Since ghost of tsushima is coming out soon do you think they will come back to The Infamous brand

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

I have no doubt that Second Son could be a separate timeline. And no, Sucker Punch has never returned to an old IP.

@storkyfallout6516

6 жыл бұрын

Zivalene alright thank you

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

Easy. Sucker Punch takes 3 years to make a game with an established IP, and 6 or more years with a new IP. It's now been 4 years since Second Son came out and their next game is a new IP. Sucker Punch has never gone back to an old IP and even said they would rather make new games each generation than maintain a franchise until it turned stale. They saw what was happening to inFAMOUS in this generation and did the smart thing and moved onto Ghost of Tsushima.

@Zivalene

6 жыл бұрын

Of course you would, because logic doesn't matter when you want something. Honestly if they aren't going to make inFAMOUS 3 (which they already said Cole deserves to stay dead), then I don't care what they make as long as it's better than this game.

@ryanhowe5595

5 жыл бұрын

It doesn't even feel like part of the same universe as the first two

Good critic. I will subscribe right now

I really like how your videos start and ends. No intro and outro to skip

@Zivalene

4 жыл бұрын

I skip intros on anyone else's videos, so I don't do one.

Even giving a chance for Delsin to get any sort of backstory would change the whole game and the character by far but would still need some character development along the journey after all in most video games the journey is more important than the destination

As a writer myself, I agree with your points on the character development. I first played the some three(?) years ago and just finished my second playthrough two days ago--and I did it in the lens of the writer. The missing elements for Delsin is on point. He has a goal (want) but the need isn't anywhere to be proud. And the "ghost" or the backstory to tell why he and Reggie are the way they are is also missing (giving a hint to the audience leading to the big WHY would have been appreciated.) Also, the choices based on Good or Bad Karma would have benefited the storyline so much if they've been based on the misbelief/lie/inner goal/need that Delsin has--which he doesn't, unfortunately. It would've been nice to see his choices impact the world and the characters around him. Would've been nice to see the world actually change post-game based on his choices. But regardless of what kind of Karma is chosen, the world and his character remains the same at the very base.

Playing as Delsin gives more fun but Cole. Cole has amazing storyline

@Zivalene

4 жыл бұрын

I always had more fun playing as Cole. I always felt like an actual superhero, I always felt like I was better equipped for encounters and be stylish doing it. Delsin feels like I'm floundering and trying to be more flashy than actually effectively fighting with 1/4 of my powers at my disposal.

I know this sounds strange, but I would have preferred to have played a game with Augustine as the protagonist. Think of it, instead of “good and evil” options, there’d been “Army and Conduit” options choosing between lawful and chaotic options. The powers would have been a riot to see on screen, concrete fortified punches and jumps, temporarily creating cover, restraining downed enemies by having them sink into the concrete, and of course, lobbing wads of concrete at enemies.

Cole: You alright? Zeke: Yeah, it's as a fiddle! .... Cole: That's a big ass fiddle. Me: *immediately starts dying.*

Honestly, I believe there was a lot of missed potential for the story of the game as well as for the characters in it, especially Delsin and Reggie. Perhaps Sucker Punch could've at least made something simple up for their backstory by saying something like that their parents were killed in a homicide and then the police system at Salmon Bay was disinterested and unable to solve the crime. These could partly explain their personalities and life choices as I believe that with Reggie being the responsible and mature brother he would have decided to become a police officer in order to take matters into his own hands and make sure that kind of thing doesn't happen to anyone else, at least in their town, while with Delsin being the more immature and impulsive of the two, he would have simply become resented against police officers and the law enforcement system in general for not being able to do anything about it, and therefore he would go on to become a rebel who vandalises and trespasses into properties in order to go against them. In fact, this could even explain why at the beginning of the game he does that stencil of Reggie, portraying as a lazy police officer who doesn't do shit all day, as this is the image he would have of them (although this is honestly a bit of a stretch from my behalf). As for the plot itself, maybe they could have made it so that Augustine reveals her true intentions for conduits to Delsin and he obtains her power at like the middle point of the game, solving the thing with the akomish. Also I think it would have been cool to see Delsin perhaps questioning himself about his whole idea of freedom and his opposition against the opression of conduits, and wandering whether the choices that he made so far where the right ones and if it really would have been worth risking the lives of all of the conduits by freeing them from Curdun Cay, but oh well, i guess that was simply too much for you Sucker Punch.