This is the best analog vs digital comparison video I've seen. The digital mix can't compete with the analog mix. The digital mix is great but the analog mix is like HD rather than standard definition.

They both sound amazing, the Mix is just great! However, the 2nd sounds better, more air, more warmth, more mojo.

Even on small consumer grade speakers the depth, density and weight of the analogue mix is obvious.

Nice track! Nothing beats analogue. Box sounded good too, but something about metal, and hot tubes that makes the difference.

Analogue is more musical, more feel, it sounds more real/live even - in the box sounds more metallic. I’ve been watching lots of KZread vids like this over the past week and I must say I’m sold on the analogue. Thank you so much for taking your time to share. I would interested to hear your view on this and how you developed the skill.

thanks for taking your time out to upload this video comparing both summing methods

Night and day to my ears.

@byeskyvalley

7 жыл бұрын

API consoles has that characteristic mud tone that i truly love, i worked in the studio with a 2408 api console and the "ffff" flavor that gives you its unique, lot of character, you really can tell the diference between the pc or the console.

@Mr7Poz

7 жыл бұрын

That mud is life juicing up the circuit board.

The best comparison video I've seen to date on this topic. A beautifully true song

Both are really nice, I actually really like your in the box mix, I think it sounds fantastic! But really the winner here is not the gear it’s your talent and the way you’ve recorded this really nicely, great skills!

The console is certainly edgier and provides better imaging, however the biggest contrast I heard was between those reverbs, being the bricasti smoked the first one. Love the mix. thanks for sharing

Great video. Thanks for the comparison and great mix job too!

Love the analog mix. More Power!

love the analog mix. thanks !

heard on my iPhone last night and the difference was not obvious but now I am listening to it in my studio through my Apogee Symphony into my ATC and the difference is day and night. API mix has more punch in drums, mids are more open and wide.

With analog mixing the vocal jumps out, instruments find their place in the room...with digital mixing, all tracks fight each other for space and it sounds too compressed. Kudos to you my friend!

@KanlydNorge

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lars!!! Hope your doing good.

@bubblegumboyfriend

Жыл бұрын

facts

both sounded good. nice done!

The mix in API the box is clear, soft and airy. Starting in the hi hat, snare and everything else, there are those "small" differences that make ALIVE a mixing!

Analog Mix warmly blends everything together, the song comes alive, sings together as one.

@TheKule1

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!!! I can't understand why people feel that ITB sounds the same as analog?! I think most sacrifice convenience and price over sound. I hate to hear they sound the same because they don't...

@dogdisco1205

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheKule1 they don't sound ... but if you never have the gear, it doesn't matter, because the general public doesn't listen to a song and says: oh analog.

@dogdisco1205

3 жыл бұрын

we have to take into account that among the plugin companies, UAD is the worst, I prefer to use Brainworx and IK.

start at .43 and listen, then jump to 2:09. API is bigger, more spacious, and full. I love it and its worth getting (if in your budget). The other factor to consider is the fun factor working with hardware vs software.

Huge difference !!!!!

The low frequency come to life nice glue between L/R, MIX more relax. Great mix !

Great Video! i think Analog mix provides the warm that some songs need, i like the song!, I think we have to start appreciating both worlds(Hardware-Software), besides average listeners wouldn't notice the difference and if they do probably will refer to the Analog Mix as "The one that sounds louder"...

OTB and even if sonically close, it's not close. I just like being able to reach and twist a dial and move a fader. The infinite variability to get 'in between' the numbers, just nudge the fader, and it changes.

Great worship music!

Hey dude, thanks for the video! I have a few questions for you, if thats OK. Was this essentially the same mix just passed through the console with the 0db buttons engaged? Also, I kind of feel my BOX eats up reverbs a bit. Do you find that as well? Have you found your workflow to improve? How do you do hardware returns, just straight into the program bus or use a channel as an aux? Sorry for the questions, I got my own BOX a few weeks back and am kind of on the fence about it.

Great man. Thank for the video.!

API is noticeably clearer and more "musical". Thank you for this demo.

The api sounds more live and energetic. Perhaps slightly louder though it may not be so on the meters which says something.

The best way to do the comparison is switching between both without stopping.

Thank you for that comparison!!

Both sound amazing. What DAW, interface, converters did you use please?

If you cant tell the difference, you might simply not be focused... Try to quick step back to back, and listen to one simple instrument at a time, and start building it all together in your head.. -And then you can tell there is ALOT changed in the analog mix vs digital... (Btw, Digital

Digital Mix: 0:43 / Analog Mix: 2:08

@jeffreydeppa7082

5 жыл бұрын

Carlos Olguín S. Analog

@megap2m

5 жыл бұрын

Analog louder but also pro sound more life inside

Thank you for the comparison, very nice mixes. The summed mix clearly has more depth, width, definition……pleasing. I wanted to ask you what did you use for the AD and DA conversion and did you sum the individual tracks or stems. Thank you .

I like both of them. On the analog definitely more air around the vocal and high frequencies. The box mix is more precise on low ends, but yes analog is more taste for human ears. But what I really like in this video, is the small radio under the monitor :) I also using boomboxes, clock radios with old mux-fm transmitter. Thank You for sharing!

First off, nice equipment, but I have a point to make. Your comparing various different pieces of equipment. Were you using the emulation plugins made by UAD of the same equipment that you have? If not it may be like comparing a Bugatti to an harley davidson. Two great bikes, two type of comfort and two very different type of sound right from the get go. In essence, if someone is doing a analog vs in the box comparison, they need to use the same thing, example, the wave or uad API emulation and summing plugins vs the exact analogue counterparts. Anything else is comparing two different type of apples that will obviously not taste the same.

@nathanrapana4430

4 жыл бұрын

Hardout. I agree. Have started emulation analog in the box by using a tape machine, console and ssl channel strip emulation on each track then tape, console and compression on the mix bus and its done wonders for my mixes as far as depth, width warmth and clarity. Still don't think it would be quite as good as analog though

I liked the high end of the console's eq. It somehow seemed to have more boom.

Nice!!! The analog mix sounds larger..Both itb and otb mixes sound good...You do a really good job....The analog mix gives it that little extra..

Love the Song. Cheers.

Can't tell which is which, both are excellent and more than acceptable in my ears. Edit - On second listen, the Bricasti is adding some extra magic. But then again, something very similar can be achieved with extra tweaking of a quality reverb plugin. and the bricasti itself is digital anyway so there goes the analog argument.

@KanlydNorge

7 жыл бұрын

zeebazu well the bricasti was only used for the vocal, and no dry goes thru it.

@OfoeNelson

7 жыл бұрын

The summing added more depth right? The vocal sounds warmer and in a better defined space.

Blind tests are the only comparisons that truly work.

Beautiful mixer... But I already checked the price of your API and I'm back in my box. Thanks for the video!

Like that drum sound.

@KanlydNorge

7 жыл бұрын

foggydrifty Thanks

ITB mix actually sounds good, but API killed it.

Hi, with the analog console it sounds like a finish sound (with mastering) I can hear clarely the acoustic guitarr and the piano sounds more in front. But can you tell us if you did the same amount of everything in both mixes? Cut frequencies the same; compress the same? It will be nice to know.

cool video, just one quick question im getting a usb console mixer and im going to buy a 3 n 1 eq and comp, limiter analog channel outboard gear and connect it to my usb mixer, if i do that can i tweek the tracks that i already recorded with my mixer eqs and the new outboard gear im getting and how do i add the effects to my music program using the outboard gear that ill buy , thanks bro

YOU SIR ARE ARE A GREAT MIXER/MASTERING ENGINEER!!!

@KanlydNorge

7 жыл бұрын

D&R Music Recordings thanks for the nice words.

Hello Kan Lyd, do you have other links to listen to other tracks summed into the box please ? :) Are you still happy with it, was the box reliable these past years ? Many thanks for your feedback! ;)

Both sound nice, I prefer the ITB mix a little. I have been testing analog summing vs ITB summing and you'd be surprised how well they cancel out when you invert one. If you know how to mix ITB, really there is no reason anymore - unless you want to zoom into micro details that are insignificant in the bigger picture.

Analog always makes a vocal SIT IN the mix...balance is better too and the overall warmth is unbeaten

Perfect sound.

Everyone's a critic. The song sounds great. THe mix is great, and The Box definitely adds to the mix. I'm actually curious your thoughts. I already have an API 2500 and 5500. I'm considering either getting The Box or a 3124, and another 5500 & 2500 with a Dangerous Music 2 bus plus. Getting the units separately would give me four amazing channel strips plus would save me about $3000. Any insight into either route. I have an Apollo Duo (silver face) and realize I need to get another, still deciding between the 16 or 8p. Any recommendations on the best way to spend the $15k?

Hermosa canción. Me gusta mucho la mezcla realizada en Logic pero la otra tiene algo más de calidez. Debe ser la compresión en los canales de summing.

this song is great! my wife and i would love to download/purchase it... is that possible? who is the artist? thanks and awesome work!

API hands down! Much better separation and space, much better depth. Made the composition come alive! But curious as to what digital audio interface was used in conjunction with Logic? Apollo? I would also be curious to see the same comparison done against Motu's new AVB audio interfaces.

Hi :) have you got original raw files available to download? Would be better for comparison as youtube video compression cuts down high tones...

Listening on a pair of Airpods via Bluetooth on the phone (I know…!) The reverb on the lead vocal is nearly not present in the Logic Pro X mixdown whereas the analog gear makes the reverb breathe a lot more. Thanks for the demonstration…!

Wow!! API for the win!! 3D 🔥👏🏾💪🏾

i can actually hear the difference but can't really pinpoint where exactly lol. the analog mix sounds much wider and has more emotion maybe its to do with reverb the top end is more lively to me. Thanks for the upload. The difference is small and big at the same time. I

@byeskyvalley

7 жыл бұрын

If you listen at the drum cymbals you will realise where the diference is really quickly.

@christhomas5255

7 жыл бұрын

"i can actually hear the difference but can't really pinpoint where exactly lol" that's what the consumer said

@beatsforless8179

7 жыл бұрын

reverb did make A big difference ; he used Bricasti M7 on analog mix. use Bricasti M7 on both next time!👍

@Markpianist1

7 жыл бұрын

You can make it wide with console emulations. Then it is only a slight difference. That is why Frank Filipetti sold all his gear via look him up. However, you still need good preamps during recording as you know. Analog in the recording is much needed obviously just not huge consoles anymore. They are impressive though, I enjoyed my time in my younger days working on a Neve and Harrison! take care!

@richiefamus8778

5 жыл бұрын

@@Markpianist1 Sure, you can get great results ITB, but in comparison, like the commenter pretty much said, the digital clone CAN'T match the emotion or vibe of a real board of that caliber. But of course you get much more versatility, as far as sound, without it. But for me, I want that sound, on every record. Lol.

The API sounds more like a record hands down. The ITB sounds good as well, but the API has the big studio sound. Way more professional!

GOOD mix for a good song. i like the consol one. more space.

Both mixes are great, The api mix sounds a bit sharper and edgier, but thats the api sound

@aarona.dubzperson8245

7 жыл бұрын

It's not the boards, It's the guy behind them...

Did you use the Bricasti M7 on the in the box mix as well?

nice mix ! I'm used to mix Arvid on a television station here in Sweden . Btw wat converters are you using? /sheers Marcus

@KanlydNorge

8 жыл бұрын

UAD Apollo's

Hey there! Could you tell me who this artist is? My husband and I love the song! Thanks :)

Hey man, you use UA converters ? model? Thanks

Nice song. Blessing

beautiful song :)

Thanks for the tests, but I tend to think that when you use mixing console instead of pc mixer and external reverb - you are just adding DIFFERENT sound processing chain than that in a DAW. No wonder it sounds differently. In fact, we can tune it to sound even WORSE than a box mix. I've noticed more clear higher frequencies in hardware mix. May be its inner circuitry boosts highs. But this effect can be obtained by eq-ing a box mix. Regards.

Excellent work on this vid. You got skills. Let me know when you upload fresh vids, maybe we can help someway.

Bricasti m7 really makes that vocal sing! bit too long of a tail for my first listen. Would of been nice to leave the Bricasti m7 out for this reference so we could hear more of that desk. Api desk is a better fit for this style in my opinion. Big, open, wide, warmer and smoother. Nothing wrong with the in the box mix though, colder, cleaner and tighter. Thanks for this video! PS. saveeeeee my jebusssss

I believe (and this is only my opinion) that the warmth could have been achieved more in the digital if you use certain compressors. Like for me, I would go from mic to preamp to Wa76/Wa2a. That would be my vocal chain. Then you could use all the plugins for everything else until you get to the mastering stage. Once at the mastering stage I would go with a mastering Eq plugin, but right after that I would go with a hardware stereo bus compressor (like the S Style bus comp from IGS), then right back to a brickwall limiter plug such as the L2 or three. That way nobody could tell that you were mostly digital because the hybrid mix of hardware and software would be RIGHT ON POINT!!! By the way, that's my vision of how I will be running my setup. My preamp so far is the Tonebeast from Warm Audio. Thing is a BEAST!!!! You have to have a few pieces of hardware, but a 20,000 API console is definitely not the only way to get killer sound. You just need the right combination of hardware and software. No more, no less... The Warm Audio Wa76, and the Wa2a are some CRAZY pieces of hardware for the price!!! And the S Style bus compressor from IGS is thee closest thing you can get to the original SSL, FOR ONLY 800 BUCKS!!!!! After those pieces are added to your DAW nobody would be able to tell if you used a ten thousand dollar API unit or not. ESPECIALLY IF YOUR ENGINEERING SKILLS ARE ON POINT!!! Its not what you use, its how you use it!!! Well, after you go hybrid that is.

@KALLHASH

5 жыл бұрын

or u can buy a summin mixer like neve 8816 and use it as a mastering for that analog sound

Blind test would have removed any bias. That being said everything through the API had better separation to my ears. Tough to say unless the stems were exactly the same level etc.

@user-cq9my5ju6k

4 жыл бұрын

True 👍

Great mixes great tune also. I also use logic 10. I am using a Mixmaster 20 rack console. when you mix the song do you software monitor it? or monitor it though hardware? Both are great mixes Also what converters you using? I only have 8 channels of summing my Board can take 20 channels but i only have a 8 D/A converters. Also when mixing how hot do you make it it sounds really good

@KanlydNorge

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I have two UAD Apollo interfaces.. Total of 20channels out on my API. I listen thru the mixer.

@AnalogVoice

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for replying Can you use software bus compression while hearing through the mixer? do you mix a hear the before conversion or do you mix while hearing after the A/D side. Again great work. I am still learning to get my mixes to sound as good as yours

@KanlydNorge

8 жыл бұрын

+Spektor Baal I'm using the bus compression on the console, I'm recording the output of the console back into Logic on a stereo track. No need to listen thru the software.

@AnalogVoice

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input. From the mix seems the api sounds great. I have a lunchbox with 2 512 and a 527 compressor they do sound great

Nice mix

Fantastic sound . Which Reverb did you used for this song?

@KanlydNorge

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks:) Im using UAD Lexicon 224, and AMS plate.

@danieleanzanello

8 жыл бұрын

+Kan Lyd Thank you so much!!!!

i didnt even like the song until i heard the analogue version wow

Nice song and performance. Awesome mix both ITB and analog. Analog wins!

Thanks for the comparison. Did you just sum through the api box or did you actually mix the track on it?

@KanlydNorge

4 жыл бұрын

Werner Zimmermann Summing audio is mixing:)

@Fishoilification

4 жыл бұрын

@@KanlydNorge I mean did you just print the stems through the box or did you mix the song from scratch on the box?

@KanlydNorge

4 жыл бұрын

Werner Zimmermann The Box was used for summing and master bus compression only. Faders on the console was at unity gain, all Eq, levels etc was done in Logic. Only thing I changed for the demo was the routing out to the console. I did not change anything else in Logic.

@Fishoilification

4 жыл бұрын

@@KanlydNorge wow that's crazy! The difference is huge. Thanks for the comparison.

The analog mix sounds bether then the mix in the box to me ! The song is very nice ! . Like the mix too !

I like both. Both have their advantages. Honestly at the end of the day, I feel analog will always be more reliable and the mix sounds more to life.

thank you！

Hii, I'm using all channels set for unity gain, my hardware reverb is connected on ch 15/16 using the insert returns instead of the D-sub25..I find the console to sound amazing and does good things to my mixes. More open, 3D if you like, all instruments blend better together. Reverbs sounds cleaner etc.. It's all good. What kind of converters do you use?

@bananerosabroso

9 жыл бұрын

Kan Lyd Well hey man, I thought both mixes sounded great!! I felt the vocal a little back in the analog mix, but still great sounding! Interesting use of the reverb, too! I am using the console with an antelope orion. When I first got the console I tried hitting it hard to try to get some harmonic distortion, but I think it actually just collapsed my stereo field and ate the treble. This is compared to my old Dangerous DBox. I am running it as light as possible now, and am really liking the quickness of EQing and compressing in the analog world. As anything, I suppose it's a trade off... Thanks for the reply! Cheers!

@KanlydNorge

9 жыл бұрын

Any console in the world will crap out and collapse if you push it to hard.. The most important thing to know is to set correct levels to get a healthy mix bus level.

@aarona.dubzperson8245

7 жыл бұрын

+anthony donald Andrew Scheps would disagree with you. He mixes in the box completely, and he's as pro as it gets man. IJS THOUGH.

@aarona.dubzperson8245

7 жыл бұрын

*****​ Its not me you have to convince my friend. It's the millions of people who bought that last software mixed record you have to tell that too. 😉... My point is ordinary people don't really give a F. IJS THOUGH.

@aarona.dubzperson8245

7 жыл бұрын

***** I guess all of the beats that are made with software generated machines are fake beats because people didn't use an MPC either huh? C'mon my guy that sounds ridiculous!!!!!

The real question people should be asking you is, WHAT TYPES OF PRE AMPS EQs AND COMPRESSORS these sounds were recorded with? I mean, did you track with a radio shack graphic eq, and a Alesis 3630, or a Manley Passive Massive, and a Fairchild 770 analog, that is, not the awful "plugin emulations..What type of converters do you use..we all know that a high quality da/ad ad/da converter cost you up the ying yang. It's not just a simple matter of hooking up a guitar cable, and recording.

@anonmoe7497

4 жыл бұрын

glad to know you have learned the names of some outboard gear. everything you say is irrelevant because he isn't re-tracking. this is just showing the summing capabilities and sound of the box vs digitally summing in the box. and there is a huge difference if your ears can hear it.

Sounds Great, great Job! Are we hearing both versions through the API? Is it Possible to hear both printed versions without them going through the API Console. Yes I can hear a difference! Thanks You!!

@KanlydNorge

7 жыл бұрын

Peter Adil only the last mix is thru the API.. the first one is bounced to disk in Logic. The last mix is printed from the console mixbus.

Who cares about ITB v Analogue. Each to their own. They are different and will always be different. Most people doing these tests are biased. What i'm interested in is the song. Who is the artist? Lovely song indeed. Very uplifting and gentle.

@KanlydNorge

7 жыл бұрын

vhprecords arvidpettersen.com/

@kehindea

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much and thanks for a speedy reply. Love your studio set up too.

@kehindea

7 жыл бұрын

Kan Lyd any idea what the song is called?

@KanlydNorge

7 жыл бұрын

vhprecords It's Jesus.

Desk mix had more clarity and transparency....my opinion. I use Mackie 8 bus 32 Chanel/Logic Pro X. Digi 002 only for conversion at 48. Both mixes are v good desk mix seems crisper tho and clean with weight. listened on iPad Pro.

The average music listener will not notice any differance , it's more for us mixer that enjoy the analog sound

The analog mix definitely had more detail, - I think the in the box mix which sounds good would be more comparable to the analog with really good mastering with some eq just added to the sides that would open up the mix and give it more detail

Your mixing is great though.

ITB: 00:43 API: 2:09

Beautiful song, beautiful mix, and yes what API does is magic.

Can you please do a new video with UAD Luna API summing ITB vs this analog console ?

Hi, did you record this with The Box?

in second version u put more compression. snare feels tighter , bass more prominent , and i think i used some additional stereo imaging on masterbus in v2.

@KanlydNorge

3 жыл бұрын

Only difference is analog summing..

please can you tell us which converters you used ?? great video thank you !

@KanlydNorge

4 жыл бұрын

Leonard Tristan UAD Apollo’s

@leonardtristan6873

4 жыл бұрын

@@KanlydNorge Interesting, I have an apollo 8p BF. Do you have a Silferface(MKI) or Blackface(MKII) ? I ask because man, the analog summing sounds sooo better, I know the API board is a big reason but the converters are also another side...

@KanlydNorge

4 жыл бұрын

Leonard Tristan They are silver ones. The video is about 5 years old by now.

if your listening for a difference your missing the whole point its how the song feels , that really matters and it just feels better i might get a lil console now i saw some in the 500 dollar range i could get one and upgrade down the road so dope...

You can hear a major difference! The analog is more open and you can hear the separation! To those that say it doesn't matter? You totally wrong and you are in the wrong field! Somewhere along the lines we got lost on the art of mixing and engineering. I don't understand why people make it seem like spending time on a mix in your personal studio with good gear is a problem!!!!! Back in the days you would have to spend spend $75+ an hour plus engineering fees for a studio! I think everybody is sacrificing convenience for the true art of mixing! Ok, you may have total recall but is it a great mix? Most major releases are mixed in studios with mixing consoles! No label or artist is going to bang down your door for a mix in the box no matter how good you are?! Why would they? They can get a good computer and some plugins and forget about you......

well is hard to compare it objectively, cause obviously the analog version is louder ...the balance isn't the same. as it is analog sounds better, wider and all, but there are ways to achive that in the box.. or I belive so for now

sound like is more compression on overall track and better reverb on second