Penelope only ever resorted to using Lady Whistledown when no one would ever listen to the warnings that Penelope ever gave...she warned Colin, she warned Marina, same thing in season 2, she warned Eloise...I don't think she would have resorted to using Lady Whistledown if they actually saw Penelope in the first place and actually HEARD what she was warning them about...Penelope is always overlooked. Not only do they not see the real her but its like she's not there when she gave warnings...

@anikaschneider2611

2 ай бұрын

Good point

@jhinjhin00_1

2 ай бұрын

I totally agree

@bbybella9937

2 ай бұрын

I always see the reasoning that Penelope “had” to resort to Whistledown because “no one listens to her.” But is that true? Did they really just close their ears and go “lalala” when she spoke to them? Or, is it that she was heard but she just wasn’t *obeyed*? And why do so many of you Penelope stans seem to have this absolute conviction that if she expresses something to someone or gives them advice, she is entitled to unquestioning compliance? Colin listened to her about Marina loving someone else before him, he just didn’t go along with what she wanted him to do which was be horrified and cast Marina aside. In fact, he quite maturely expresses that it would hypocritical of him to do so given that he also has a past with other women. That’s really cool of him! It shows that he’s a solid and reasonable man who doesn’t judge others against a bar he wouldn’t use for himself. Eloise listened to Penelope about she concerns (which Penelope was mostly lying about to outright gaslighting Eloise with to keep from getting caught as LW. Not to mention the hypocrisy over lecturing Eloise about going to ‘bad parts of town unchaperoned’ while Penelope was doing the exact same thing), Eloise just decided that her conversations and friendship with Theo along with expanding her mind at the rallies she was attending were worth the risk. Which, again, very cool. No matter how people try to spin Eloise as some selfish asshole, her pushing back against the box the patriarchal society she exists in and wanting to reach beyond the arbitrary barriers of class and gender placed on her is very brave and admirable. Even Marina listened to Penelope about her objections to the Colin plan but was in desperate straits after Portia locked her away, put the fear of God into her, and tried to sell her to a man who INSPECTED MARINA’S TEETH, so forged ahead. Marina’s choices are definitely murky and unfair to Colin but the idea that she was doing anything for some sort of diabolical and cruel reason and not out of desperation and fear driven by the terrible way society would treat her and, more importantly, her innocent children, is just not borne out by the narrative. And anyone trying to claim otherwise is not someone I can take seriously. Penelope is never fully honest with people and then, when they don’t follow her marching orders on how she thinks they should operate, she goes nuclear and takes their choices away from them. Penelope is not the god of the people in her life’s lives. She is not *entitled* to being obeyed (even if you think she is 100% in the right when giving advice, this is still the case). People have their own minds, their own free will, and the right to make their own decisions and mistakes. Penelope needs to learn both to fully be honest and speak up as herself AND to accept that she is not the boss of the people in her life. She basically operates under the theory that if someone won’t take her advice willingly, she will just force their hand. And her stans need to learn the difference between being listened to and being obeyed.

@spinninglovelies314

2 ай бұрын

During their fight Eloise literally admits to that night being one of the first times she'd ever really listened to Pen talk about what she wanted to talk about. It's always been a one sided friendship in a lot of ways. Also Pen could have said Eloise was hanging out unchaperoned with Theo then all hell would have broken loose she chose the least damaging path she could think of even if it wasn't great to do to someone you care about

@froggywithaheart

2 ай бұрын

​@@bbybella9937 damn! dude you're a good writer. and although i really like pen, i 100% agree. her going ballistic over her personal issues and broadcasting it to force ppl's hand and/or humiliate them is not cool.

Penelope is grey and flawed she’s in the right and the wrong it’s what makes her a great character

@oyaami1874

2 ай бұрын

4:30 Not sure if you're mistaken in your timeline or deliberately trying to degrade Marina in order to paint Penelope in a good light. Colin is not rich, he doesn't have a job and lives on an allowance provided by his brother. Sir Phillip has a title and property that could be passed down to Marina's child, so if money was her main consideration, he would be the better prospect. She knew nothing about her lover (not some random guy) being dead until Daphne asked a contact with military ties to investigate.

@Ursfrndlyneena

2 ай бұрын

But her character seems too entitled and self pitying. I couldn't relate being a wallflower myself. She's upper crust with people serving her and her own money. Sure the boy she loves is not interested in her, so what. It's the reality of most people.

@lindaw66

2 ай бұрын

@@Ursfrndlyneenawow! I think you’re too harsh on Penelope. You brush off all the slights, the hurts of rejection from her crushes, and the rough family situation she’s in. I sympathize with her. She’s strong where it counts and has a sense of survival. Yeah it’s a reality of the times that women were at a great social disadvantage but that doesn’t mean she has to be a withered wallflower. I love Penelope with all her flaws and I’m cheering for her to find some happiness.

@OneandonlyFaye-bb7dx

Ай бұрын

@@lindaw66 I agree

@charity9660

Ай бұрын

Not really. Maybe in the book. But the show ruining her more and more lol

Also! Pen does point out in season 2 that if she confessed to the Queen, she would most likely just brush her off as someone trying to protect a friend. Because let's be realistic... no one believes Penelope Featherington, the wallflower from a family most of the ton don't like, a family that had barely kept themselves afloat in the past year, could be Whistledown

@aarspi

2 ай бұрын

That is a good catch, I forgot about that

@prsexyness222

2 ай бұрын

That’s exactly what I thought about too. Also it wasn’t until this season that the Queen even took notice of her. This is her third season out and the Queen did not know who she was until she came out after her makeover.

@lunaq163

2 ай бұрын

she did say that to Madame de lacrioix that the Queen wouldnt believe her.

@bbybella9937

2 ай бұрын

Penelope could have told Eloise who she was so they could work together. All the Queen wanted was for Lady Whistledown to write complimentary things of her. Penelope also had already established a go between with madame Delacroix so she could even communicate a plan with Eloise without even revealing herself.

@Zedd...

2 ай бұрын

She could've easily made madane Delacroix vouch for her and told the queen all about her process of how she writes and delivers the papers to the printshop, even the guy who works there (not theo, the old man) could've testified that it was Penelope who always delivered the papers. There is also the carriage driver who drives her around.

What gets me the most is Penelope didn't "ruin" these people's lives. They ruined it themselves by acting the way they did. The guy who tried to assault Daphne in season 1 who had the illegitimate child and was run out of the ton ruined himself. All Penelope did was put them on blast. If they didn't act the fool, she wouldn't have had anything to write about. Eloise wrecked herself. She knew what she was doing was scandalous. Even the coachman discouraged her from doing what she did. And then she has the audacity to be all self-righteous when confronting Penelope (the gaslighting Penelope did wasn't right but she's not a morally gray character for nothing). Eloise hasn't even tried to see things from Penelope's perspective. Their friendship is often so one-sided. How oblivious can she be to not notice her friend sneaking off to deliver the writings and/or the fact that Penelope was IN LOVE WITH COLIN THE WHOLE TIME THEY'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER???? In season 1 when Penelope mentions having real problems and wanting marriage, Eloise is in disbelief and Penelope is frustrated from how delusional Eloise is about trying to find Whistledown like some fun game. Penelope wouldn't have been driven to this if her circumstances had been anything like Eloise's. No matter what happens to Eloise, the Bridgerton family will look after her, spinster or not. Penelope does not have that privilege.

@promisemochi

2 ай бұрын

very well said! i love you brought up eloise treating it like "some fun game." it shows how coddled and protected the bridgerton kids are. el doesn't have to worry about things like marriage or prospects or money. she has a loving, wealthy family and an older brother who lets her kind of "chill" in that regard. but pen isn't that fortunate. this season we really see how dire it is for her. she has no freedom as an unmarried woman. she'll always have to answer to her sisters and their husbands or her mother. they joke about making her get rid of her posessions or about making her keep them in a closet where they don't have to see them. that's what pen is coming from and trying to escape from. el doesn't understand that. which, okay fine. but what's worse is she doesn't even try to understand it. she and pen are not the same. anthony and kate would never make eloise get rid of her beloved books. no one in the bridgerton family would ever treat another member (or anyone else truly) like the way penelope is treated by her own family. elosie doesn't get that. she doesn't understand the severity in the difference in their circumstances.

@erykaton170

2 ай бұрын

She also seems to have kept information back to protect people who didn't deserve criticism. We have no indication that she wrote about the baby Lord who resembles the footman rather than his deceased father, from the rather risqué party the widow threw.

@NovaPotter

2 ай бұрын

@@erykaton170 This!!! Even in the books, is obvious that she had more tea that the ton can drink, and she always defends the Bridgertons.

@bbybella9937

2 ай бұрын

Awesome, so if someone blows the whistle on Penelope for being a 19th century Gossip Girl then she has no one to blame but herself and deserves any negative outcomes that result from antagonizing the Queen and other members of the ton. And wait, she went out unchaperoned too. So she 😱 risked her own reputation and her family's like her stans accuse Eloise of doing. But, according to Penelope logic something is only wrong when someone besides their precious Penelope does it. No because it's really important that Penelope gets to publish gossip about women that can potentially ruin lives, whereas Eloise trying to go to feminist meetings and form bonds outside her social class is totally out of order and she needs to stay in her lane. If someone rightfully exposed Penelope none of you would be saying she had it coming. Eloise only came under threat because the queen had her followed. The Queen had her followed because she was on the lookout for Lady Whistledown, because Penelope had been constantly baiting the queen. No one, not Eloise or anyone, should be expected to live their life in a bubble to avoid getting caught up in the crossfire between Pen and the Queen. Penelope insulted the Queen. The Queen was angry. Eloise; just trying to live her life, got the brunt of it. Also your defense being "if the people she writes about don't want their lives exposed for entertainment, they shouldn't be doing things she'd insult them for/get caught” is really gross. You’re basically saying that if you do something transgressive, or you let slip information about yourself that people can use to hurt you, then you deserve it. This attitude takes all moral culpability from the hands of the people who are actually acting maliciously. A person doesn't get to cause harm for another, because the other person gave them the means to do so. They're still under a moral obligation to treat other people with decency. It’s also such a weird criticism of Eloise that she never guessed that Penelope was Lady Whistledown, as though she had failed as friend by not suspecting that someone she trusted and welcomed into her home and was liked by her family had been exploiting that friendship and writing about them in gossip sheets for profit. It’s not Eloise who is failed as a good friend here.

@bbybella9937

2 ай бұрын

@@promisemochi Both Eloise and Penelope are part of the ton. Both of them are living in big fancy houses and get invites to fancy balls. If the worst happened to Penelope's family and they had to downsize, they'd go to a slightly less fancy house, and socialize with slightly less fancy people. It's particularly galling when people say Eloise is a hypocrite for being upset about women being second class citizens, because she doesn't understand how privileged she is....compared to Penelope. I mean, it's annoying enough when Eloise is the only lead character actually questioning the status quo and trying to go out and learn about privilege and stuff, but to compare the disparage in rights between men and women, and Eloise and Penelope, is ludicrous! The gap in privilege between Penelope and Eloise is so small that in the wider scope of things, the disparity between their privilege is so minute a grain of rice wouldn't fit in between.

I got skinny in my thirties out of nowhere and it really opened my eyes to thin privilege… anyone who doesn’t right away relate to Pen (while still analyzing her gray areas) must never have been a curvy or fat teen/young woman. I never had a chip on my shoulder-in fact I was a little oblivious-but the way I was treated differently once I was a size 2-4 was shocking even to me. Life is just so much easier in every single way. In society’s eyes, when you’re thin: Casual is cute instead of schlumpy. Messy is adorable instead of homeless vibes. Overeating is hot and cool instead of disgusting. It’s everything. EVERYTHING. Getting older is nothing compared to it, even as a woman. Society HATES fat people.

@jamiegdubois

Ай бұрын

This is so unfortunately true

@shannahtheninjaneko6927

Ай бұрын

can relate, whats worse is i was fat then skinny then fat then turning skinny again and its shocking how even family or loved ones view you different just because of your weight

@sleepysundew9544

Ай бұрын

oh my lord your take on this is so on point. I’m on the opposite side of the spectrum where I’ve just been skinny without trying which I am so thankful for. BUT has led me to being cornered in bathrooms being asked if I had a ED, that there was no way I looked the way I did without a ED or substances. It came from a place of concern, yes, but only because of how misinformed they were. In the end it made me so self conscious for years, but I’m slowly learning to be confident. bc people will always find a reason to tear you down especially when you have everything they desire. Shows you humanity on a different scale.

@Rhaenarys

Ай бұрын

Just so you know, i almost skipped this comment because it started off like an ad bot 😂. No hate, just fyi.

@Rhaenarys

Ай бұрын

Now that my fyi was said, for my argument against this. The only people who hated fat people at this time were those without money. If absolutely no one knew about Penelopes family situation, i mean no one, she would be a symbol of a very wealthy family...simply due to her size. People who had money could afford to eat as much as theyd like, allowing them to get large. And since shes childless, no offense, but its clear she was able to eat a lot, so the family DID have money. Her being what looks like the biggest girl in the room (the show really did a ridiculous job at trying to make everyone look unrealistically skinny for the time, even the supet wealthy...) would mean her and her sisters would have suitors out the arse, simply yo get their hands on those dowries the girls MUST have. The story is all so unrealistic, though, in the sense it focuses so much on love when that still didnt matter to the aristocracy in this time. Men were being threatened at being disowned and penniless if they didnt marry the girl their fathers wanted, and girls didnt usually have much of a choice, either, in that regards. Houses like the Bridgertons were extremely rare, especially considering they are part of the Duchee. Its more reasonable for families like in Pride and Prejudice, and even there at the lower level of status was it rare to have the choice. But thats not my point. My point is people didnt view fat, or heavy, people the same way as today, because back then, being heavy meant you had enough wealth to eat whenever you wanted, which most of the peasantry could only dream of. Unlike today, or 20 yrs ago, i should say, when you could easily get a burger and fries for a cpl dollars every day, keeping you more than fed. Like...people dont realize access to food is extremely easy compared to the time depicted in the show, which makes opinions on appearance different.

I see no reason to hate her. She did what she had to do.

@CerisesRed

Ай бұрын

fr and i honestly would do the same shit as she did if i was her

@delightful999

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!!

@amydelaney644

Ай бұрын

she said what she said as she felt she had no other course of action to protect those around her...in her own way of course

@The-Busy-Beeeee

Ай бұрын

@@amydelaney644exactly something many people just wanna either brush off or ignore both the context and environment she is in

@carlotta4th

Ай бұрын

She didn't have to do it, but I think good characters have some minor (or even major) flaws. People who are too perfect are incredibly boring to watch.

Pen was okay with Colin and Mariana ending up together. She even said so in LW. Until she learned of her pregnancy and her love of George.

@kwdrewfan

2 ай бұрын

I think it's easy for people to forget that during the whole Marina fiasco, Penelope did not believe that Colin would ever return her affections. I'm sure part of her was panicking about her crush getting married, but did she truly think she stood a chance with him at that point? No. She's always been hyperaware of her status within the ton. So I think the majority of her motivation really was not wanting to see him enter a marriage under those circumstances, even if her juvenility made it appear otherwise at times.

A lot of people tend to forget how LW works, and how it is bussiness for Penelope, not a column where she writes her own opinons and thoughts (most of the time). She simply re-writes what she hears and she rarely puts her own thoughts into it, and she does she's saving someone's ass. Saving them in the only way she can, because she's a woman, a spinster and a wallflower who nobody cares for really, so LW is her only real source of power. I've seen people saying that Daphne never did anything to her to deserve scrutiny, but the thing is... LW talked so good about the Bridgertons at the start of S1 that Portia and Mrs. Cowper thought Violet was LW. It's not her fault the Bridgertons are such scandal makers that she has to put them on her columns all the time. LW was also the instrument to save Daphne from Nigel. With Marina... people love to take the context and reasons of characters in this situations. Marina was acting out of desperation and Pen was acting on desire to save someone. Both are right and wrong at the same time, and you simply can't hate on Penelope for her actions without calling out Marina too. She did the best she could and everything, in the end, turned out the best they could. PLUS, Penelope suffered the consequences of her actions, the Featheringtons were shames publicly and even the Bridgertons turned her back on Penelope, as she had to snuck in to talk to Eloise. With Eloise, it pains so much that people put all the blame on Penelope when Eloise was ruining herself. The Queen was already on Eloise's ass, it was a matter of time before her scandal broke through and Penelope even saved her with not saying anything about her meeting Theo, a man, alone. Then she really would have been ruined. Also some people say she should have told the queen, but why must Penelope always give up her happiness and what she worked so hard to? She's always the one expected to give up her love and bussiness to save others. Eloise is a Bridgerton, her shame is only temporal. And we can shee this so much on S3, when they want us to believe only Cressida was kind to Eloise, but we see that the girls in the ton constantly search Eloise, they engage in conversation with her and nobody ever truly treats her harshly, constrast to Penelope, who is ridiculized just for breathing lol I need Eloise to grow up so bad, I love her, but her blindness is killing me. I love discussing complex situations and rights and wrongs, but the way people act to dense with LW and Penelope have me fighting with Lord Remington for the #1 LW supporter title idc

@jinx347

Ай бұрын

Except that it is a business based on opinions. In the books you could say she only reports but in the show Penelope's opinions are all over. And that is why they read it. You are relevant or irrelevant depending on Whistledown's opinion. When she wrote about Daphne the only scandal was that Anthony was an idiot but she was immediately tarnished. Even the latest one she wrote about Colin was because she was hurt and angry. And the Bridgertons are in her focus because she wanted to be like them. Many of the finer details she only knows because of her close relationship. She is ambitious, fierce and self-interested - like you said why should she have to give up her own happiness and success for others which she endangered. And she did endanger Eloise by publicly and aggressively challenging the Queen. She isn't some innocent bystander. She made something from scratch where she uses her invisibility. Gossiping is fun but it certainly isn't heroic. She is Penelope, a business woman, a friend, a wall-flower and still the one who shapes the ton, a multi-faceted character that we adore and love. She wasn't forced, she made choices and i don't think we should take her agency away by saying poor innocent Pen.

@noheliaastorga4476

Ай бұрын

@@jinx347 Oh i never intended to imply that Pen is innocent or has never done wrong, but people do tend to take her intentions and context when they discuss her actions just to paint her as this evil character. My bad if it came like that. But I truly don't think LW are Pen's opinions, at least not entirely. LW is a mirror of the ton, she publishes what they want to hear and acts like they would in a scandalous situation. It was said on S1EP1 that what made LW different and relevant from other gossip columns was that she referred to people by name.

I find Penelope to be the most compelling female lead so far. Seeing her moral ambiguity since the first season and the much higher stakes she is dealing with has drawn me in to the show so much more than previous seasons. I enjoyed the last 2 seasons, but neither of them made me feel so invested nor did they do much to move me in any meaningful ways. Both the leads this season feel like they have multiple layers to discover and to relate to. And tbh the fact that there has been such a big reaction from people is a telltale sign that a character is more compelling. Being compelling doesn't mean everyone likes them... it just means they inspire a reaction in people regardless of whether it's a good one or not. A truly uncompelling character would inspire indifference. Compelling characters accomplish the effect of all great art: they made you feel something.

@kaitlynoscar3788

2 ай бұрын

I feel the exact opposite. Loved first 2 season made me feel invested and felt meaningful this season idk I’m still waiting for the end to really state my judgments but it’s all rushed and some unrealistic like the boat scene 🙄

@kwdrewfan

2 ай бұрын

This is my favorite take I've seen so far. I totally agree with you!

@liv97497

Ай бұрын

Absolutely agree! It'd be silly to expect her to be a perfectly resolved character from the start when the focus wasn't even on her - we're supposed to watch her change throughout the series, and especially on this one. I've also seen people criticizing Eloise for apparently not being the right kind of feminist - never mind that she's a teenager, daughter of a viscount, living in the early 19th century. It's like people don't understand the concept of a character arc.

@tatimarie8277

Ай бұрын

I think the romantic aspect of season 1 and 2 were much more compelling where as the underlying plot of season 3 is much more interesting especially because it’s been building since season 1 and 2. I wouldn’t say their romance is necessarily rushed but I do think Penelope forgives Colin way too easily. If I was in Penelope’s place I would always feel insecure if I got with a man who said he would never be interested in me and a week prior was flirting and banging with every girl he could. It takes Anthony months to convince Kate he’s not a rake but Penelope only took two days

Yes. We finally getting someone defending Penelope. She and Colin and Eloise are getting so much hate this season and I understand some of the criticism, but they are only looking on the bad things, but not the good things. Penelope is a compelling character. She speaks out against the ton, but more through reporting the truth as well as her observation. People noticed this is part of the mirror allegory in season 3. She feels she has to be reserved because she is always shut down by her family and as we saw in season 3 humiliated by the ton again and again. Cressida, being the main culprit. She and Eloise are struggling being apart from one another, but it is needed so they can see how the other feels. Eloise is finally seeing how her words hurt and can do damage as well as seeing how badly Penelope feels about herself. Penelope is also seeing what her words do, but it is her livelihood. People who say Penelope feels no remorse for her actions are not seeing the screen in front of them. Pensive whiskers did a great video on this. She pointed out two main examples. When Penelope wrote about Marina, she cried in Eloise’s arms as we see the pamphlet being handed out. When she wrote about Eloise, which she never wanted to do, but felt like she had to, she broke her quill and quit the pamphlet. Yes, she needs to stop writing angrily sometimes, but from what I have seen, she does not lie as LW. In season 3, she is constantly telling people LW is wrong about what she writes and you can see the remorse on her face. I just wish some saw the nuance of these characters instead of pitting them against each other all of the time. Also, some treat Penelope, Eloise, marina, and Colin as evil incarnate when they are not and it is tiring.

@ziggyzoo9335

2 ай бұрын

They’re all morally grey, which makes them realistic, apart from Colin who is too inconsistent and flippant to be realistic

@gabrielleduplessis7388

2 ай бұрын

@@ziggyzoo9335 i do agree, but I think Colin being inconsistent is purposeful in the writing of how he is trying to discover who he is and not be like the ton wants him to be.

@oyaami1874

2 ай бұрын

She cried in Eloise's arms because Colin was leaving.

@gabrielleduplessis7388

2 ай бұрын

@@oyaami1874 i feel the first time she did, it could have been both. The second time, it was definitely about Colin leaving. And people also pointed out Penelope understanding the consequences of her actions when she saw Marina trying to abort her baby. Right or wrong, my argument is that Penelope is not an evil monster, but a flawed character like every other one.

@ngweso

2 ай бұрын

@@gabrielleduplessis7388 the show doesn’t give you the sense that it’s purposeful like at all. The show will tell you “Oh Colin is a great guy and is loyal to his family” meanwhile he abandons his family every season to go on holiday. The show will tell you he’s trying to figure out this new “rake” identity and it’s not who he is, but he’s literally been sleeping with girls throughout the season. There’s a clear inconsistency between what the show is telling us, and what the show has actually show us about Colin in s1/2. This seams like a consequence of bad writing rather than purposeful writing, because at the very least they would SHOW some scenes of Colin trying to reconcile with the personality he presents and who he actually is deep down. But he doesn’t do any of that?? Also no one can convince me that this cringy flirting persona is meant to be an intentional reflection of Colin trying to discover himself, it’s clear that from how the show is framing it that girls are actually falling for it

Penelope is the first female character of Bridgerton saga, that has depth and is fleshed out in a nuanced way. This is exactly what has made season 3 exceptional for me. There are personas to her and yet she seems to be just in her writings. She is the first one, to voice out the pressures of society on women, so publicly, vocally, and against the monarchy. Even season 3 begins with her, mostly praising the new debutantes, the same women who openly mock and belittle her. I understand Eloise's pain, but even in season 3, we have hardly seen her being the social outcast, the way we have seen for Penelope, so it's difficult to relate to Eloise.

@depresso___espresso

Ай бұрын

Well said! Eloise is SO privileged and entitled. Lowkey, I feel like she's jealous of what Penelope has accomplished as Lady W. She did suffer a betrayal, that much is undisputed, but that's literally the only bad thing that's happened to her except her fathers passing. Like, go cry about it some more Eloise. Watch her try to sabotage Colin and Pen in part 2, I just know it.

@midnight6994

Ай бұрын

@@depresso___espresso I believe that Eloise is now getting more of a perspective especially being friends with Cressida but seeing as how easily she makes up conclusions of her, by I will not spoil which ended their friendship as well in the later episodes. With Eloise asking her forgiveness to Pen and still being concerned for her despite not being close I appreciate that she is starting to see how much privilege and entitlement she had in the earlier seasons.

@valerie8679

Ай бұрын

@@depresso___espresso eloise wants a formal education, wants to travel like her brothers do, does not want to be forced into the marriage mart. the fact that shes now allowed to do these things, even with all the privilage yall claim she has, are already "bad things that are happening to her". shes not gonna sabotage anything. all she wants is for pen to be honest with colin, the same way pen wanted marina to be honest with colin.

@depresso___espresso

Ай бұрын

@@valerie8679 yeah but lack of freedom wasn’t just her problem; that’s applicable to every woman in that period. Penelope isn’t allowed to do those things either. And what’s worse is she has an overbearing mother and sisters while their entire financial situation is unstable, rarely any suitors before this season, and she did what she did to protect her friend and subsequently lost her because of it, etc. all the while she found a secret way to take some control of her life. All Eloise does is complain (yes about valid problems), but it’s still complaining at the end of the day. And after seeing like 3 seasons of that while also seeing how some other characters have it way worse along the way, it’s getting old, fast.

@sunnflare

Ай бұрын

@@depresso___espresso”you have until midnight to tell him, or I will” from the trailers is making me so annoyed because Eloise *knows* Colin wants to destroy Lady Whistledown for putting his ex girlfriend on blast for trying to baby trap him and she’s just being petty now. The two were already even because Penelope ruined herself and Eloise acknowledged that, but now she’s just being a child lol

I think what some people are forgetting is that during this time, is that there were other gossip pamphlets and they get paid. LW just happens to be popular. Plus in this time period, a woman can’t just apply for a job unless it’s a family/friend business.

@thedevicebook

2 ай бұрын

This is even explicitly stated in season 1, yet people forget it. The Queen is brushing off LW as not a threat since other gossip rags exist. But LW goes after the Queen, which apparently other gossip rags were afraid to do. It's also strange to me that a gossip rag writer is seen as more culpable than the people who buy/read it. If there wasn't a demand for that product, the business would dry up. Everyone she attacks is also a person who gleefully reads the gossip about others then acts *shook* when they end up targeted by LW.

@kaykay8855

2 ай бұрын

@@thedevicebook people love hearing about other people’s dirty laundry until it’s their own.

@willdo2909

Ай бұрын

As we learn in Season 3 (and might have known if interested in the period) for the TON there is no family "business" anyone in the TON could have joined. Business and making money from any kind of work was frowned upon and not TON. So, no option for Pen. And, in a similar way, same problem for Eloise and Benedict: They are searching for a purpose in life, not for financial gain, but definitely outside the TON's definition of what is expected and proper. That's why I rather see Eloise as the entitled one, she feels there must be more to life but when she discovers that Pen has something outside the bounds of the TON, she is angry; partly because of what LW/Pen had written about her but also because she is jealous of that achievement.

In my opinion, Penelope writes so that she has a voice, in her own home, her voice is dismissed, belittled and ignored, and it's probably been that way her whole life (family dynamics do not spring up over night but are created over years). Because of all this, not being heard by those she cares for, would be a massive trigger and cause her to act out of frustration and pain. On top of this, Marina knew Pen was against her plan and even knew that Pen was in love with Colin, yet instead of comforting Pen for the unrequited love, Marina chose to ridicule her for those feelings and dismissed them as unimportant. This would have further triggered Pen as her own family dismissed Pen as unimportant, I don't think there's a single scene in the entire two and a half series where a member of her family engages her in conversation (unless you include her mother telling her that she's always known Penelope will be a spinster after her other two daughters ridicule Pen for her reading). I suspect if Pen hadn't started writing she would taken her own life. Being treated as unimportant leaves an indelible mark on a person, not to mention bulldozing their self esteem. If I'm being honest, I have to wonder if people really have a problem with her or with the fact that she had the audacity to demand more for herself when society had placed her at the bottom of the hierarchy.

@wooliewisp

Ай бұрын

Yep. Folks who have never been with the rocks at the bottom of the hole searching for life insurance policies and reading the rules and laws regarding them seem to really struggle to understand what it is to continue to be a powerless doormat subject to the whims of assholes.

@moonlightdaisy4672

Ай бұрын

Abso-freaking-lutely. Women are only ever allowed to BE what everyone else DECIDES she is. And if any of them try to rise in any way, then she is attacked, bullied, and stomped back into the spot they want her in. Pens family-wants her to be less than them so they feel better. Crssida-needs to abuse her so she can feel superior. Colin-wants a simp for his ego (until he realizes he actually cares for her) Eloise- wants her to be an echo chamber and yes man so Eloise feels important and "smarter". Body shamers- she's not skinny which means fat which means unattractive which means I am AT least better than her. Etc...etc..

@jessicagreen7583

Ай бұрын

this comment aged well after part 2 dropped lol

Pen is the most like her mother of all of the Featherington girls. She realizes the freedom that wealth provides, and she accumulates her own wealth in one of the few ways afforded to her position.

@postinc

Ай бұрын

That is a really interesting point!

@mime514

Ай бұрын

Never thought about it like that, although I’m new to the fandom :0

@mime514

Ай бұрын

Tysm for sharing your interesting take!💞

Let's be real, half this show IS Penelope, either as herself or LW. The Bridgertons have danced with greater calamity than they could actually handle and LW has helped them more than hurt them. She strikes me as a character making the best of shit options when she's not lashing out in anger/hurt. And it's not like she kept herself off the table, she was brutal when writing about herself because she was truly devastated but still had the insight to know that her own scandal would be bizarre not to comment on as LW if she wanted to continue the only venture she has to provide for herself if she was going to become a spinster--which she had every reason to believe was going to happen given the last 3 seasons

One thing you missed, is Eloise was planning to just admit she was Lady Whistledown, and let the Queen believe it, and try and right the gossip sheet. How long would that have lasted? As soon as Penelope decided to release another leaflet, Eloise would not only have been outed for not being Lady Whistledown, she probably would’ve been in some very serious trouble. Because she would’ve blatantly lied to the freaking Queen! Like how did Eloise think lying to a monarch is a good idea? That could’ve actually ended up getting Eloise killed. You could be executed for lying to the monarchs years ago. Penelope did Eloise a huge favour honestly.

@bbybella9937

2 ай бұрын

Interesting, now why was the queen so angry? Who was behind the regency era burn book that provoked a person with power? Penelope never, never considered coming forth as LW to the queen. Madame Delacroix suggested it, and Penelope dismissed it out of hand on the flimsy basis that "she might not believe me." Nor did she try working with Eloise to give the queen what she wanted, reaching out to Eloise through Madame Delacroix, or even considered letting Eloise have a say on how to handle the situation. Her first solution was to use information given to her in confidence, and then put on the crocodile tears and play the victim when Eloise called her out on that.

@jeon_artemis

Ай бұрын

​@@bbybella9937 Did you even watch the whole video?

@Lady_Blade_WarAngel

Ай бұрын

@@bbybella9937 Not saying that Penelope did it perfectly. She was scared to admit she was Whistledown, and also likely didn’t want to give up being Whistledown either. Also, speaking show universe, Penelope is only like… 17-18? Yes, putting out Eloise as gossip material was wrong. But it could’ve gone a lot worse, for everyone involved. The most recent season has kinda proved that Eloise was very self centred, and didn’t think about the consequences of her actions. She actually started to do that in part 2 of the season.

@Nahuelindomable526

Ай бұрын

​@@bbybella9937I find it frustrating that Smarty Pants went to the trouble of making this video and you continue to insist on demonizing Penelope. What's more, if you hate Penelope, what are you doing participating in the comments of a video where she is defended?

Is really insufferable how people think that women (fictional and real) only could be good or bad (Madonna/Whor3 Complex) and connot think that they are not just one-dimentional individuals. Penelope is a flawed charcter and that makes her so real. People saying she ruined lives, did we saw the same show??? Those lives would be had been really wrecked had Pen not intervented. Marina was scared and that is understable, but to be so cruel to Pen, that was intentionally malicious. And Eloise, she was warned multiple times, but thought she was above any social convention. Hell, even to this day, there are lots of actions that are frowned upon! People love morally gray (male) charcters but a woman...

@pjavery8183

2 ай бұрын

Ironically, the only life that was "ruined" as a consequence of Whistledown exposure 100 percent deserved it- Nigel Berbrooke. Everyone else that became a major WD feature had the support/means to walk away almost wholly unscathed.

@natasjarose1321

Ай бұрын

Using Marina as an example, Colin is capable of counting backward from 9. So can whatever judge or archbishop Colin asks for an annulment, especially since they were planning to elope instead of having a proper wedding. Then Marina's life would REALLY be ruined. Divorces and annulments weren't easy to get, so when someone actually had one granted, it was a huge scandal.

We've been yelling about STDs this whole season 😂😭😂

@saranemcova5448

2 ай бұрын

He doubled the chances by threesome 😅

@vickiamundsen2933

Ай бұрын

i keep reminding myself, it's an alternate universe, where no one ever gets STDs, or tuberculosis, or smallpox....

I love Penelope! She's doing what she has to to help herself and her family. She believes she's done the best she can to help Eloise and Colin out of terrible situations. And she's setting herself up to be provided for when she's ultimately left alone( as she believes she will be). Don't really understand all the hate

I'd argue that Penelope has NO true friends, as Eloise was often selfish, self-absorbed, and never paid any real attention to Penelope. Penelope was Eloise's captive audience for her rantings -- nothing more. She didn't care about Penelope's thoughts, feelings, or experiences, only her own.

@vickiamundsen2933

Ай бұрын

it was indeed a very one-sided friendship.

@Zoe-dq1yq

Ай бұрын

Thank you for saying that! I don't understand why I barely see people criticising Eloise as a friend. She is always just the icon of empowerment. It always hurt to see how EVEN SHE, her supposedly "best friend", did not really listen to Pen or pay any attention to her unless it was about herself. And when Pen saved Eloise from a way worse fate by writing about her after warning her, she just abandoned the "friendship".

You said it all. She's flawed. And that's beautiful. It doesn't take away from her as a character, it adds to it. On top of that, she's what? 19? 20? And she's is extremely powerful as Lady Whistledown. That's her only source of power. Of course it might go to her head sometimes, or she might use it for the wring, but she is regretful when she realizes what she did. What she did to Eloise was wrong, but Eloise isn't a saint either. She was put in that situation by her own actions. Penelope tried to warn her several times, and she didn't listen. So Penelope took the only option she felt she could afford at that moment. And like you said, the Bridgerton Family bounced back from it like they were made of rubber. But Penelope, who Colin loudly declared practically unmarriable, was still feeling it when the next season begins.

@bbybella9937

2 ай бұрын

The Queen, the most dangerous enemy a person could have, was feeling vengeful because of Penelope’s actions, not Eloise, and just because you’ve warned a person that playing in the road is dangerous, it doesn’t give you the right to drive them down to prove your point. The Queen didn't care that Eloise was meeting with a working class guy. The Queen only had Eloise followed because she was looking for Lady Whistledown. Eloise was doing a really good thing in trying to meet with others outside her class, and the fact that she was doing so could have caused her harm is a sign of how poisonous her society is. Penelope didn't want Eloise to meet with Theo because she knew that might mean Eloise would find out she's Lady Whistledown. Also no one was talking about Eloise and Theo, and that Penelope gaslit Eloise to think people were. The trouble Eloise got into at the end of Season 2 was because of LW and LW, because literally no one was giving a shit about what Eloise was doing except when the Queen thought she was LW. "it's something Eloise can bounce back from because she's a Bridgerton " completely IGNORES the fact that the Bridgerton family has already faced so many scandals, it's unlikely they'll be able to bounce back from such a big one at that. and they still have so many family members unwed! there's so many lives at stake, but Penelope is able to rationalize it all away in her own mind for her self-preservation.

@TraceyJean

2 ай бұрын

​@@bbybella9937And yet at the beginning of season 3, we see that Eloise has completely bounced back and men are flocking to her sister, Francesca. So obviously the "political radicals" story was not the family ending scandal you're imagining. Penelope, who lives in this world knows exactly how far she can go. There was no huge threat to the Bridgerton name.

@bbybella9937

2 ай бұрын

@@TraceyJean Ok so you can't say that the Bridgertons get off easy from their scandals compared to the Featheringtons, because in season 1 there was the pregnancy scandal and Lord Featherington's murder, and season 2 Prudence was caught with a man unchaperoned and there was the ruby scam, which definitely would have caused a scandal too, and they're still going to all the balls, all the parties and social occasions. They never suffer from scandal for longer than the Bridgertons. Nice to know we are on the same page.

@pammellasantana

2 ай бұрын

@@bbybella9937 As I said, I don't think Penelope was in the right to do what she did. I'm not defending her actions, I'm trying to be understanding of it and allow for her to be a well-rounded character in the story. She made a terrible mistake, yes. But so did Eloise. Penelope didn't write about Eloise to prove her point that she was right and Eloise was wrong. She was warning Eloise away from Theo so the Queen didn't find out about it and had another source of blackmailing her. And Penelope never wrote about Eloise and Theo, she wrote about Eloise attending rallies. Theo, their late night, unchaperoned meetings, was not mentioned. And whether or not Eloise was doing a good thing getting to know people outside or her social circle, the fact of the matter is that, at that time, that was not done. We can argue all day about how poisonous her society is but, in the end, she lives in that society and at a disadvantage already. To maintain her level of comfort and lifestyle, she needs to conform to the rules of that society, whether she likes it or not, because she lives in it. Furthermore, the show was never going to go down that path. It may have hinted at some social revolution and her being a part of it, but it was never going to commit to it and the show acknowledges that through Theo, telling her exactly that. And comparing how much each family can get away with in terms of scandal and coming out with "the same" is just untrue. Marina's scandal was resolved because she was married. But while she wasn't, the Featheringtons were ousted from society. They were kicked out from the Queen's garden party, avoided by their peers and the only reason they were accepted back was because Daphne, a duchess, the highest title in their society save the royal family, invited them back in. Prudence, much the same. Baron Featherington was a well-known gambler, but women aren't expected to have any say in the finances of the family, aside from the household budgets. His murder wasn't seen as a scandal for the family necessarily. He was murdered. That's it. That is as far as the show goes into. We don't see the fallout of her scandal when Jack leaves, but before that, because they'll be married, all's well. And after the off-season, she's back already married, so it's fine. The fallout from Jack may not have touched them because Portia is a desperate, intelligent woman, who knew very well society would fall for the victim act, because who would believe a woman capable of doing such a thing and fooling so many important man, and used that to the fullest extent. Meanwhile, Anthony spent the first season charging into everything like a bull in a china shop. He then brought the same energy to season two, trying to find a bride, in which, he managed to get to the altar in front of the entirety of their society, what I can only assume was a very important Archbishop and the Queen, with the wrong sister. Then was left at that altar by his bride and ultimately rejected by here because he couldn't stop making eyes at her sister. Then married her, the right sister this time, and the only consequence his family has to face is that failed ball, which people were eager to go to have a front row seat of all the drama until LW published her piece about Eloise. And next season, they are fine. Eloise is still enjoying the same place she always had in society, Kate is accepted as Viscountess and the Bridgerton's are thriving as they always have. Because they are rich and titled and they have the protection of having four sons to keep them like that. The Featherington's are destitute, are all women and racing against the clock now to provide a male heir to the Barony, before the throne discovers that the documents they forged are false. Their place in society and influence is different than the Bridgerton Family and to pretend you don't see that, so that your opinion feels more valid because of your bias towards one family, is not going to change the facts we are presented with.

@bbybella9937

2 ай бұрын

@@pammellasantana Eloise only came under threat because the queen had her followed. The Queen had her followed because she was on the lookout for Lady Whistledown, because Penelope had been constantly baiting the queen. No one, not Eloise or anyone, should be expected to live their life in a bubble to avoid getting caught up in the crossfire between Pen and the Queen. Penelope insulted the Queen. The Queen was angry. Eloise; just trying to live her life, got the brunt of it. Eloise listened to Penelope about she concerns (which Penelope was mostly lying about to outright gaslighting Eloise with to keep from getting caught as LW. Not to mention the hypocrisy over lecturing Eloise about going to ‘bad parts of town unchaperoned’ while Penelope was doing the exact same thing), Eloise just decided that her conversations and friendship with Theo along with expanding her mind at the rallies she was attending were worth the risk. Which, again, very cool. No matter how people try to spin Eloise as some selfish asshole, her pushing back against the box the patriarchal society she exists in and wanting to reach beyond the arbitrary barriers of class and gender placed on her is very brave and admirable. Penelope could have come directly to the Queen with proof and receipts and explain it wasn't Eloise, or write anything else instead of throwing her best friend under the bus. but she chose not to. Also, what she wrote about Eloise was that she was hanging out with "political radicals", and thus attract the attention of the ton, and the Queen, on Eloise and who she associates with, i.e Theo, in just a whole different league. And since the Queen already knew where the printer's shop is and had eyes on that place, and considering you could get hanged for having ideas against the monarch, Theo, that boy was not safe. Eloise was reckless and her conducts were messy, yes, she's partially to blame for getting caught. That doesn't excuse Penelope from exploiting information her friend trusted her with and ruining innocent people's lives in the process to cover her own hide. Interesting, so apparently running Lady Whistledown and antagonizing the queen isn’t reckless. No because it's really important that Penelope gets to publish gossip about women that can potentially ruin lives, whereas Eloise trying to go to feminist meetings and form bonds outside her social class is totally out of order and she needs to stay in her lane. The Bridgertons may be wealthier and more popular, but on the grand scale of things the difference between them is minute. The Featheringtons' pennilessness is only a blip as they start season 1 wealthy, find out they're struggling only half way through, and are wealthy again when the ruby con kicks off. I would also disagree that Phillippa and Prudence are treated worse than Eloise. They may be looked down on by some because they lack social graces, but they are still welcome to balls and events and to partake in the marriage mart. The difference in privilege between the Featherington girls and the Bridgerton girls is minute when compared to the privilege between women, even wealthy women, and wealthy men. Yes, the Bridgertons are wealthier and prettier, but both families are still in the upper levels of society. Yes, the Bridgerton girls are rich and get to have hobbies in a way that poorer families don't. But that's not a case of Bridgerton or Featherington, that's a case of upper class and working class. To compare one upper class family not being quite so privileged as another upper class family, to the status of women and men is laughable Prudence and Phillipa aren't fine, but it's not because they're Featheringtons instead of Bridgertons. It's because they're women in a sexist society. Eloise (and her family) does benefit from privilege as a member of the aristocracy. As does Penelope, even if is ever so slightly less so. From the mountain tops I scream, Penelope’s older sister was a debutante in the last two seasons and the Featheringtons’ not having servants is a very recent development. Penelope’s mother sucks (she got her mean girl behavior the honest way), but her life has hardly been Dickensian.

also let’s not ignore the fact that Penelope is a female character that is not conventionally attractive. so people scrutinise her for the littlest thing. calling her not a “girl’s girl” was the most ridiculous take i’ve seen because please do tell me who in that show is? like since when is bridgerton a revolutionary feminist piece ?

Another thing Acordong to Shonda Rhymes Lady Whisteldown aka Penelope is the true Progtagonist of the whole Show with each season Addition having a main lovers Lead.

@meliskoolies

2 ай бұрын

Shonda wrote LW out in her own books

@thedevicebook

2 ай бұрын

​@meliskoolies Shonda didn't write the books. She is doing an adaptation of books written by a different author 20 years ago.

People, when a male morally ambiguous character does something that is more than just questionable to people they claim they care for: "Oh he did it to save them, he had no other choice, he is handsome and is doing it for the love interest, we can allow some grace and move past that." Also People, when they ask for and get morally ambiguous female characters that does the same: " She deserves to burn in hell, she is the most evil character to exist, she doesn't deserve the love she gets, she deserves the abuse and the hate and more, WORSE EVEN." This is why they say, don't ask for what you cannot handle. And they can hate all they want, but Pen is not an idiot. She's smart and shrewd to have built an enterprise in a time that doesn't allow women any autonomy of self. She knows what she did, she knows there is repercussions to it and she will have to face them someday but she will know she did not go down without a fight. It is just as it is with any business, you cannot always be nice, you will make calls that will bite you in your ass. That being said, I understand Pen. And I like her because she does nothing particularly enigmatic to hide because if she did, Eloise wouldn't have found out so soon. It's like she's in plain sight and none of them know her well enough to actually connect the dots, except Eloise.

Penelope always spills the truth, she's a little morally ambiguous but I love an ACTUAL complex female character. She's someone always on the sidelines in her family, friendships and even romance and it's not like she technically does anything wrong either in the grand scheme of things. The Queen deserves to be called out as do all of the lords and ladies who behave in a manner unbefitting of society then judge others for doing the same. Even the case with Eloise in S2 wasn't even her idea, it was Madame Delacroix's that Pen was VEHEMENTLY against until she was backed into a corner to save her (already ruined and disliked) family and Eloise's reputation which, as nicely put, has the money and status to bounce back from this. Considering all the shenanigans the Bridgertons got up to in S2, the fact their household are still eyed as prize marriage material in S3 shows that the impact of El's actions were not that harmful in the long run (if anything, it only seemed so bad in S2 bc it was bouncing off of Anthony's disaster wedding). Eloise is VERY coddled and sheltered (and has every right to be upset but..) and whilst I'm happy she has the ability to rely on her family until she's old, Pen doesn't have that option as society's wallflower from a broke household where she's treated like an unpaid maid. If she wants to continue to call out high society then I am all for it bc in the end, she rly doesn't have much of a choice and the others are doing it to themselves.

For the point of outing Marina she and her family did take consequences as well, also she wanted to confess to the queen about being LW but thought the Queen wouldnt believe her. She did what she thought would be right to save Eloise and Colin. I have to add that once she did write about Colin cause she was pissed but thats understandable at least from the pain she had because of what Colin said about her. She acted impulsively I do admit that. I dont think that she is a bad person at all but she weilded much more power as LW than it was good for her. Also she warned Eloise multiple times when she was meeting Theo, which already was damaging and Eloise didnt listen and was caught...

@yashaswinikrishnan1878

2 ай бұрын

also one has to keep in mind that she's still 18 in s3

I absolutely LOVE HER! She is powerful and influential. Wallflowers should never be underestimated.

Honestly Penelope is my favorite character. I suspect part of that is because in my heart of hearts I feel I am Penelope--and so are most of us. Few of us are the beloved favorites in a wealthy, close family popular in society and able to get away with almost anything, fawned over by those below and confidant in the support of others. God knows hardly any of us face the pressures and ridiculous rules forced onto women in Regency England! Most of us feel like we are outsiders. We feel lonely. We don't have very many good choices and have to make do. We aren't superheroes or so unbelievably hot others want to earn our favor, nor do we have great wealth or obviously extremely valuable, rare skills. We aren't the chosen one. We don't have awesome combat skills. We don't have dragons.

I saw a video of Alan Moore explaining how to be a better writer. He said that it's necessary to have a moral standpoint where you'll look to the world with empathy and compassion, therefore you can look to characters whose ideas are completely diferent than yours and understand their personal choices and beliefs. And even understand that if you were born or if you live in the same circuntances, maybe you would do the same. So this is my reasoning for loving Penelope. Even though I can't always agree with her, I can understand her. The way i see it, she is a loving and warm person, despite being born in loveless home, and being treated poorly even for those she loves the most (including Marina who was cruel to her). Her actions, even when questionable, are mostly motivated not by hate, but by love or fear. Two very compelling feelings. People are always saying that she ruins lifes, but... Does she? Aside from Marina and Eloise cases (where there is context to her actions), she mostly just publish gossip that is already out and offers commentary. sometimes she is sharp and mean, but she doesn't lie. So, I can not, will not, do not want to hate Penelope.

@bbybella9937

2 ай бұрын

Penelope is writing a gossip rag that is basically just repeating what she hears, and exploiting the most sexist and petty attitudes of the ton to line her pockets, at the expense of those who trust her the most. She is the regency equivalent of making an anonymous insta to harass and bully your classmates she’s hardly mary wollstonecraft.

@gotasintrospectivas

2 ай бұрын

@@bbybella9937 I see no one trying to imply that Penelope is a feminist. In fact, most woman in this show aren't. The bullying allegation I'll Just agree to disagree because I've been in that argument already and I'm not in the mental state to discuss with people online in the moment.

Pen was looking for Eloise to apologise and explain at the end of season 2, but when she overheard Colin she got upset and stopped looking

While I’m here, let me just explain how stupid Eloise🍐 plan was. Eloise🍐 was accused by the Queen herself of being Whistledown and was telling Penelope🍑that she intended to LIE TO THE QUEEN👸🏽and pretend she was Whistledown🪶to protect her family. Penelope🍑writing about her visit to a political rally saved not only Eloise🍐but the entire Bridgerton🐝family from a ruin which they never would have been able to come back from. Just look at how the Queen👸🏽 wanted to shun Lady Mary🐦simply for leaving high society because she fell in love with & married someone outside of the TON, and that was nearly twenty years earlier! Eloise🍐could not have kept up her lie and when the Queen👸🏽discovered that she wasn’t really Whistledown🪶, who knows how she might have reacted. this is all taking place in the early 18th century and Eloise🍐would have lied to the reigning sovereign. Disloyalty to the crown 👑was considered a form of treason at the time. Not only could the Queen have written off the Bridgerton🐝family and ruined them forever, she could have decided to exile Eloise🍐from England🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 for her audacity. And if Queen Charlotte🦚were feeling particularly vicious🐍, she could have decided to revert all the Bridgerton🐝family holdings, property and titles back to the crown👑as punishment, essentially stripping their family of everything and leaving them all destitute outcasts. The idea of lying & intentionally making a fool of the reigning monarch during the 18th century is crazy & Eloise🍐was insane to even consider it. Penelope🍑 may have broken her friend’s trust but even Colin🗺️pointed out that Penelope🍑has sense when Eloise🍐does not. Pen🦢did the only thing she could to prevent Eloise🍐from doing something dangerously ruinous. I believe when everything comes out, the Bridgerton🐝family will be stunned and shocked. They may not be happy with Penelope🍑but I think they will recognize that she was instrumental in protecting them from multiple disasters and if anyone is going to appreciate that, it’s Violet🕊️, Anthony⏱️and Kate🪷. Penelope🦢contributes a lot to the Bridgerton status and power. she’s the one making them popular and relevant even. Against people that they’re ranked lower than in the pureage. which comes in handy, especially in Benedicts book. 📖 There’s no guarantee. The Queen 👸🏽 would accept Penelope as Whistleddown.📜The Queen 👸🏽 offered Eloise the pretty Bridgerton, the deal of being her lapdog. The Queen has never looked at Penelope with anything but distain and treats her like nothing more than a inconsequential fat invalid. Even if she was to fall on her pen🪶 . Give up her autonomy, income and artistic & intellectual freedom, the only place she has a voice, to be the Queen‘s 👸🏽puppet. She has no reason to think the queen would want her as a substitute to fit her narrative of having a pretty Bridgerton. P.S. Penelope did give up her livelihood for Eloise in season 2 episode 8. Until the events of everything that happened in the (FINALLY).

@julial4569

2 ай бұрын

Look, what you've written is very clever and I agree with each and every point you've made, but why are you using so many emojis? Why the pear emoji for Eloise? I have so many questions

@AnnalisaDugard

2 ай бұрын

​@@julial4569right? That's what I came to the comments for ... It's not possible to put them all in by mistake surely

@sarickacampbell2642

2 ай бұрын

@@julial4569 The peaches 🍑 is Penelope and the pear 🍐 is Eloise because I think a two of them should start their own business open a publishing house,🏬and call it Peaches 🍑 & Pear 🍐 production Peaches 🍑 for Penelope because her skin complexion has been described as peaches and cream. Pear 🍐 for Eloise because she had that pear in her mouth in season 1. Emojis are my internal fanfic

Mr Bennet was not poor and was never meant to BE poor. He has an extremly good living, he just didn't stash away a DOWRY for his daughters from his income and his living is not his to give away. It's like somebody who earns 10 k a month but spends every last penny. Nobody would think him to be poor, just spendrift and foolish. It is an explicit point in the novel, that Mr Collins asks who of his cousins cooked the meal and they quite offended answer along the lines of "We are not poor, we have a cook."

Eloise was my favorite character, but now Penelope is my favorite. At the beginning, I could understand Eloise's going on about society and women rights. But I saw Penelope's situation, I understood her immediately. I've been Penelope in my life. I don't think Eloise ever once put herself in Penelope's shoes, except when Penelope had lost her dad. With marriage, dreams and ambitions, it has always been Eloise's thoughts and talks. I think there's a part of Eloise is jealous that Penelope is Lady Whistledown, despite being Lady Whistledown, Penelope has done something ambitious as a single woman. I know that Eloise is hurting. I know that Penelope and Eloise made a pact to be spinsters but honestly, people do change. I get the feeling that Penelope want to write, make enough money and get married with love as an option. It's not a bad dream, if you think about. A fair amount of people would want that. So, Eloise scoffed at Colin that Penelope wanting a husband, not thinking what cause the change or why, but thought that it was unlike of Penelope. It made me realize that how much did Eloise knew Penelope, I get the feeling, not well.

@natasjarose1321

Ай бұрын

Eloise always said that she and Penelope would be spinsters together, but I really have to wonder how much that was Penelope believing that no one would want to marry her and how much was Eloise declaring that they would be spinsters together and Penelope not openly disagreeing?

@europeannighean

Ай бұрын

@@natasjarose1321 I bet there are a lot of sides of Penelope that most people or family don't know about.

I love Penelope she my 2nd favorite character, Lady Danbery being my first haha. I think Penelope is like the ignored bullied kid in our modern society who gives payback through her pen. But its actually understandable in some parts why she does what she does. She is ignored and neglected compares to other women and she has talent so why not use it! its no secret anyway, its what everyone knows but once siad by whistledown cannot be ignored! She is using it mostly to help people she cares about!

Also, Eloise had no issues with Lady Whistledown's work "ruining people's lives" when it was about people outside her family. She was a fan! She only got angry when it touched them personally. That would be a good reflection material for her.

@savannap7907

Ай бұрын

So true 🤣 shes a major hypocrite

Eloise discovered Penelope was Lady Whiseldown by listening to her ONCE. In all those years of friendship she only paid attention to Pen once. I like Eloise but she is not a great friend.

Excellent video essay about Pen. Penelope is in general a nice person, but even nice people who mean well are also human, and they have feelings, and sometimes those feelings get the best of them, and sometimes they make mistakes and do shitty things.

I love pen so much as a character she feels real, and relatable even though I’m not plus sized or thick but in-fact I’m a barely curvy twig 🤣 how her character is disregarded by society because of her looks is something I know many women can relate to regardless of their weight. Both spectrums get the ugly side of things. I have been harassed and bullied over being twigish especially in my youth, disregarded as fragile and useless with either a drug addiction or ED. In reality I had neither issues, just a healthy life style mixed with genetics. Even when you take care of yourself people STILL criticize you. Pen teaches young women how to empower themselves , learn from mistakes, and try even if it seems foolish. I hope she continues to empower women and how they’re portrayed in the future. She’s truly fantastic and a joy to watch as she figures out her identity. I feel like her character is to say “ fuck society and what they think you should look like, go fall in love and be authentically human. Fuck up and try again, it’s refreshing in dark times like these.

You make some good points. I hope that when the inevitable crash down comes after Colin finds out what she’s been up to that she stands up for herself and defends her decisions. I would actually love it if she calls him out on all of his brothel activity. Fingers crossed

it really annoys me how people think that character flaws make characters hard to root for or uncompelling. if penelope did nothing wrong we’d still be critiquing her as a mary sue

Eloise is jealous that Pen was the one who did something. She was smitten with Lady Whistledown until it was she who was on the pages, and I don’t remember her being offended when she was reading about other people’s gossip, even her own family.

I agree with everything you said because honestly i do think a lot of who Penelope is very relatable ,do i ageee with everything she's done?? No but i definitely have empathy towards her and honestly one of the biggest reasons lady W exists is because Penelope is deprived of attention from her family and even Eloise herself ( and please let us not act like attention isn't a human need because it is) like 1 although her family love her somewhat i dont think they care for her in an emotional sense and as much as Eloise adores her she never actually listened to Pen cause if she did she would have noticed that pen actually wanted to get married or that she's lady W. I dont think Lady W would exists if Pen actually got the attehtion she needed Honestly the only person who notices her is Collin cause he actually knows her well and actually build intimacy with her through the letters they would exchange, i think he just didnt notice the romantic undertones of their friendship, which she honestly didnt either because she just thought the feelings were one sided which it wasn't based on how he always looked at her

I hate how people either hate penelope or marina. Why does no one consider they are both women who are doing what they think is best? Marina really has no choice but to marry

I like Penelope because I read the book in her POV. You can’t recover from that level of bias. 😅😂

Penelope basically ran what we would now consider a gossip magazine. Not the most intellectually stirring or fair subjects, but considering the time period and her circumstances, it was very entrepreneurial of her. As mean as it is to gossip, all Penelope did was to expose what the ton already did behind everyone’s back. The upper class are not shy of sabotaging and smearing each other if that will give them a little more influence. The difference is that Penelope brings that shady behaviour to the light and monetises what was already happening in the community. Not unlike many services we have on social media nowadays.

I think your correct in your assessment. There are a lot of characters that do far worse. Her mother for example is a horrible witch, all she does is belittle her daughters. She reminds me of Cinderella's step mother.

I always liked her as a character but you've now totally convinced me on all counts - her decisions are much less misguided and more calculated than I realised

I like that you understand both the perspectives of Penelope and Eloise in this. I think that Anthony and Daphne are the worst. Anthony shirked his responsibility for years, then got overzealous about it and almost got Daphne stuck in a marriage with Niguel. He treated his mistress horribly on a whim just because he had the privilege to do so. He then swore off love, treated to girls of the ton like brood mares while still going to brothels and aggressively pursued Edwina knowing that shat she wanted love simply because she was named the diamond.

@savannap7907

Ай бұрын

10000000% agree with u

I'm sure someone else has said this, but Marina didn't "try to go for the big fish" with Colin. She did not learn that George was dead OR get the proposal from Sir Philip until well after Colin discovered her pregnancy. She went for Colin when he was her only option besides a creepy old man who was cruel to her, and when she thought George had simply ghosted her. Penelope could have privately told Colin of the pregnancy and sworn him to secrecy about how he learned, or helped Marina find another kind young man, or donated some of her Lady Whistledown funds to helping put Marina up somewhere safe until she had the baby. However. Penelope was young, in love, and panicking about what to do, in a house with only her scheming mother, her shitty sisters, her clueless father, and Marina, who wouldn't listen to her. It was a terrible thing she did to Marina, but it's not indicative of Penelope being a terrible person- just making a bad choice for a good reason. And it's interesting how when, for example, Anthony royally screws over Daphne's marriage choices and is wildly rude to his whole family (and to that opera singer he was dating) out of some weird sense of protection, people understand that that makes him flawed- not evil, but can't apply that concept to Penelope.

And why is she almost the only fuller figured woman in the entire ton!

@thedevicebook

2 ай бұрын

I wonder how many of her critics just don't like that a fat person is a leading lady & are coming up with criticisms to justify their fatphobia. There are some legit criticisms for sure but people are acting hateful towards a character & that usually comes from some unexamined prejudice.

@glassesgirl333

Ай бұрын

​@@thedevicebook surely, if the actor they chose for penelope was some random skinny woman i really do feel people would be on her side more, which is insane because its just a different body... after all of this nicola coughlan is still a conventionally attractive woman prettier than half the people id meet in a lifetime, sad that little things like these blind ppls judgement

@thedevicebook

Ай бұрын

@glassesgirl333 given there are Cressida defenders out there, you are right about that. I thought season 3 did a good job of explaining *why* Cressida is so awful & I even did feel some sympathy for her character, but I don't think her mistreatment of others is justified & she never really learns to do better (unless some future season takes that on.)

@glassesgirl333

Ай бұрын

​@@thedevicebook really true i love a good villain story i love the rise and fall the fact we can see that the character is just a person too bridgerton is terrible with its romance story topic blindness which makes it so any action done by the leading cast is seen as more right/correct or flat out ignored even if it is as terrible as the side characters/extra characters who are hated for their actions which some could argue is period accurate for the intricacies of noble life lol, but with cressida we really saw her whole story, we werent just given a perspective that shes terrible and thats it, we got to understand and sometimes i feel it was a waste of screen time but over all we got to see another woman in season 3 do wrong and get the consequences of it, another woman take her own future by her hands despite it slipping away for her instead of really pushing through, for that alone i cant be mad at what they did for her this season

Loved your take! It challenged my own sentiment about Penelope. I did find her selfish but this last season has shown me how her character might’ve felt throughout all these years during a time like that and I pity her for not having anyone to turn to. You’re right, she’s fine.

Thank you for making this! It's so nice to see someone who actually sees the nuances of the different characters and appreciate them for it.

I SAY LET HER STAY AS LADY WHISTLEDOWN!!! I hate that she has to reveal and change that part of herself which is one of the most confident parts of her.

Penelope always warned people before exposing them as Whistledown. It's just that she has no agency and people don't listen to her, so she made up Whistledown to get an inkling of control over her life and that of others. It's not the most moral thing to do, but I understand why she does it.

As someone who never watched Breaking Bad apart from some clips, Penelope makes me think of Walter White and his motivations. "I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. I was alive." That is how I think of Lady Whistledown for her. I like her not because she is morally pure, but because she is *interesting.*

I like that she is a morally grey character. Real people are never truly good or bad. We all do things that we aren't proud of and she tends to do bad things to protect the people she loves. Also she is very young and nieve. When you view her character as a 16 to 20 yo girl/woman it's more understandable.

Maybe if the consequences affected only HER and not her family, Penelope would have revealed herself to the Queen and faced whatever may come. Realistically, she didn’t have much chance of marrying anyway (her appearance didn’t fit the beauty standard, which is why she had no suitors), she wasn’t noticed or liked in the high society (no one would dance or talk to her), and she only had two friends she talked and corespondended with - Eloise and Colin, who would have continued to be friends with her despite the scandal. Eloise didn’t judge lady Whistledown for what she was doing; she was, in fact, praising her for doing more than simply getting married. Eloise was only mad that her friend (Pen) revealed her secret. If it didn’t affect her, Eloise might still be friends with Pen even after learning about Whistledown. In fact, Pen saved her brother from marrying a woman who’s already pregnant from someone else! For same reason, Colin might have forgiven Pen and remained friends with her. And Colin also is a gentleman in a true sense of this word, he’s kind and noble, he knew Pen and her good nature since childhood, so he would have forgiven her most likely. Pen also probably understands that she’s the one who made the decision to write that paper, so she should bear the responsibility, no matter the cost. But in that time one family member’s reputation affected everyone in the family (which she should have thought before undertaking such a risky endeavour). Her family just bounced back from Marina’s scandal. Her sister’s engagement to Mr. Finch was hanging by a thread. Unlike Penelope, her sisters actually had a chance of marrying. Yes, they were ill-dressed and vulgar, but they were slim and had dowries, so some gentlemen with no estate or poor estate might be interested in marrying them for, at least, material reasons. Their Mom was already disliked by everyone in society, so people wouldn’t be too keen on her if her family was in scandal again. And, most importantly, they are still family to Pen. She probably loves them. And her late father’s name probably matters to her, too. Seeing her father’s family name be destroyed is not something she would want. After all, he was a lord! So she just couldn’t let her family be destroyed this way. She made a selfish choice but it was not only for herself, but her family. And ofc her own family would come first for her than Bridgertons who would easily bounce back from a little stain on their reputation.

I like Pen and support her hustle 100%. Bridgertons out here wilding out for love like fools and my girl is making her coin, saving her future.

I love her I think she is really smart and clever

Penelope is a modern thinker for her time period. Your video analysis is sheer genius. Please, keep up the brilliant journalist’s videos. Any videos, really. I look forward to seeing them.

Penelope•̀.̫•́Marina&Colin As for the marina situation Impossible Choices Penelope repeatedly begged Marina not to deceive Colin. To not use him as a convenient alibi. It's irritating the simplification of Colin and Penelope life long relationship. Is summed up to jealousy on Penelope part and unrequited feeling. "She cares for his happiness she cares for his soul". 📖📖📖📖📖📖📖📖📖📖📖📖📖📖 Book Quote “She had been born for this man, and she had spent so many years trying to accept the fact that he had been born for someone else...” Penelope’s motivations are not selfish as some people would suggest. She didn’t save Colin so that he would turn around and be with her. She knew that wasn’t going to happen. She is focused on his feelings the whole time. “What of Colin?” she asks Marina when trying to talk her out of tricking him. After the news breaks, Penelope asks Eloise how Colin is doing. It was about saving him. Even later, when Colin admits feeling like a fool and Penelope begins to declare her feelings for him, she seems to do it out of empathy and not any sort of expectation that he will reciprocate. By exposing Marina, Penelope put her entire family’s reputation at risk. Marina has been living in their household, so they are tainted by association. But that was a risk Penelope was willing to take. Thankfully, Colin’s sister Daphne has enough social power to redeem the Featherington name now that she is a Duchess. But Penelope took that chance for Colin’s happiness, not her own. There are multiple factors to Penelope decision-making, and thought 💭 process Penelope was forced to use Lady Whistledown to reveal the secret pregnancy. YES 👏 , Marina was in a sympathetic situation because she believed the baby’s father abandoned her, but her actions were still wrong. 😑 Colin doesn’t deserve to be manipulated, and divorce was not a practical option then. If Colin grew tired of her indifference to him and their Shame of a marriage It was never Penelope‘s intended resort. To expose Marina. Pen 🪶 was trying to protect Marina. She was trying to keep her secret. 🤐 Penelope tried everything else before outing Marina. It was either that or let Colin, someone she loves and care about suffer alongside her best-friend and the whole Bridgerton brood, who have loved her better than her own family. Penelope tried multiple other various attempts to stop things another ways were unsuccessful. She tried to get Porsha to intervene. She beg Marina to not choose her lifelong friend Colin. For this trickery and deception. She tried to be loyal to Marina and keep her pregnancy. A secret by only telling Colin She loves another. And she tried to get Mariana to call it off herself by discovering and revealing her mother‘s plot. With the fake letters ✉️. It wasn’t until the Gretna Green 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Plot that she ran out of time. ⌛️ divorce was not a practical option then. It a choice between Marina and Colin. Even with out Penelope’s romantic 🥰 feelings for Colin,he is her friend. I sure hope a friend would do everything in their power to help me in a situation like that . (Friend don't let friend get used and manipulated) Even more it would have been different if Colin was marrying Marina knowing everything. He didn't He was being tricked by someone he was infatuated with. Once marriage is done I can’t easily be undone. A quick Google search will tell you what 1800 divorces were like Marina would’ve been paraded through the streets and publicly shamed while people threw stuff and spit at her called her horrible names.If Colin grew tired of her indifference to him and their Shame of a marriage And before you say, she still could’ve told one of the Bridgerton’s. hear me out and let’s discuss politics. After the confrontation with Marina. Marina has broken all trust with Penelope. And has proven herself to be quite manipulative self righteous, and self-serving. Marina did not bother to reciprocate the kindness Penelope extended to her in the beginning. Marina, she proved she couldn’t be trusted. When she belittled, invalidated. Penelope‘s feelings and her relationship. to justify the immoral’s of her actions. Using Whistledown Penelope tied up this whole situation in a neat little bow 🎀 for the Bridgerton’s. There are multiple factors to Penelope decision-making, and thought 💭 process Marina being pregnant with child was all she needed at her disposal to trap 🪤 Colin if he wished to dissolve there engagement 💍of his own accord quietly🤫. Colin publicly declaring his proposal. Wouldn’t have been an easy situation for him to walk away from. If Marina decided to sue him for breach of contract. 📋 Penelope was scared 😳 that Marina would not give Colin that grace. there’s no DNA 🧬 test to vindicate him it could’ve been turned into a bigger messier drawn out situation. That could’ve ruined his family his sisters and their prospects. Whistledown, ended all the what (IF’S) when she gave Colin an unimpeachable Defense. when she said Marina was already with child before she stepped foot into Grosvenor Square. 1813 When Colin ask her if her feelings were false she confessed, and said (YES)✅she just wanted his money💰 and his name if she really did love❤️Colin and wants to be with him, Colin would have married her still. even with the truth out there. Offer her his family protection, live away from society live away from his family. Marina straight up, confessed that she doesn’t even like him on a personal level she hold him in high esteem, as a member of the Male gender, nothing more nothing less. So he chose to take his leave of her and it was his choice. The choice she tried to deny him.

I bet that Eloise is jelaous of the power Penelope has. She owns her own future.

@Tokiohotel192

Ай бұрын

Absolutley

Incredibly well presented, especially the references to actual history as well several other fictional works that occur in the same period. Pointing out the overall exploitative vibe maintained by members of "The Ton" was a welcome inclusion. Please keep up the good work.

You just pointed or something I'd never considered, that even though he's just a Viscount, Anthony probably IS stupid rich, maybe even more than senior peers -- seriously what DID he invest in?! How big are his holdings?!

honestly the thing that's the worst for me is how she doesn't tell Eloise that she's Lady Whistledown BEFORE it gets to the point where the queen suspects Eloise. Like, they're supposedly bff's, and Penelope *knows* Eloise has been searching, and the consequences to telling her would be slim to none! But of course that would mean letting Eloise know she doesn't share her radical views, at least not to the point of scoring society and marriage. And that's uncomfortable, and it's easier to just not bring it up. But, as we see especially throughout season 2, Penelope doesn't feel confident enough to be herself in front of the "only" (don't forget Collin!) friend she has. And we see this spiral until it culminates in the ruin of that friendship. It's honestly tragic. To see someone whose problems came mostly from feeling like noone would love her if they really knew her, and seeing become a damn near self fulfilling prophecy. I'm personally really excited and scared about how they'll resolve this in the second half of season 3. I want so desperately for her happiness, but she's going to have to face everything she's done again so her marriage can be an honest one and that's going to be so painful.

@vickiamundsen2933

Ай бұрын

well said. I'd like to see Eloise get an understanding of difficult choices, so she can perhaps be less judgmental of others. As to why Pen kept her LW identity a secret from Eloise, I feel it is because E is such an overwhelming influence in their relationship, and Pen didn't want her writing to be compromised. It is entirely her creation, and as such is of essential importance to her.

I constantly have to remind myself that the Bridgerton world is a "parallel universe" to actual Regency Britain. IRL, Marina would have been packed off to visit an "aunt in the country" until the baby was born and adopted out. Colin would never appear without proper neckwear, any more than he would appear in public without breeches. And no gentleman would ever leave a lady standing on the dance floor at the end of a dance; he would always escort her back to her family/chaperone, then take his leave.

The thing with Marina that everyone seems to have overlooked( rewatch season 1) is that Penelope was the only one in her family that showed Marina kindness when she first arrived. Penelope befriended her. When Penelope realizes Marina has decided to entrap Colin, she tries to dissuade her. At Daphne's wedding she keeps pointing out other men trying to get Marina to pick anyone else but Colin. When Marina realizes Penelope loves Colin, she is cruel in telling her she will never have Colin's love because Penelope's love is unrequited. Penelope then decides to out Marina because to her(Penelope) it was the only way to stop them from eloping. Penelope begged Marina not to entrap Colin and Marina was only thinking of herself and her desperate situation. She basically shit on Penelope and the kindness she was extended. Penelope wanted to save Collin. Right or wrong? She did try to tell Collin that Marina loved someone else at the dinner her family gave for the engagement. Collin ignored her. Penelope was desperate to stop the elopement. She was running out of time. The rest is history. With Eloise, your analysis was spot on. Eloise was reckless and in S3e6 she finally admits that to Penelope when they are talking about what to do about Cressida and the LW debacle. My 2 cents. Thanks for the video!

I’m glad you put it back into perspective. It’s real easy for a viewer to say “well that was just how it was back then!” In regards to brothels and servants, etc, but it’s still wrong. It was wrong when it happened too, it’s easy to overlook it because “it’s a period piece! 🤪”

I do want to note you got the timeline of Marina wrong, she only found out about Phillip would marry her after Penelope exposed her. So Marina had Colin or horrible elderly men, that is a bit of a difference

The summer muff @00:06 (is cause the actress broke her wrist doing a high kick.) I like Pen, she only wrote about Eloise to fix a problem- can't remember what it was but she HAD TO TO FIX IT.

Pretty sure that Marina did not know about Sir Philip’s existence when she was engaged to Colin. Penelope blowing up her secret could have led to Marina ending up on the streets (and ruin the Fetheringtons as well as do damage to the Bridgertons). Sir Philip only appeared after the scandal and after Daphne took pity on Marina and started to search for her missing lover. It seemed unnecessarily cruel to publish Marina’s predicament in Whistledown, considering Penelope had access to several Bridgertons and could’ve informed any of them of the planned elopement and the pregnancy. Both Violet or Anthony would have listened and intervened if Colin wasn’t willing to. Even Eloise might have swayed him. But I think a large part here was Penelope being angry with Marina for ridiculing her love for Colin and insulting her. On the other hand I completely understood her “almost ruining Eloise”. She was being incredibly stupid, leaving Penelope with very little choice to keep her safe.

You should do retroactive reviews on Bridgerton like you have for Miraculous!! Would be fun!

No character on the show is perfect and all of her decisions make sense in her circumstances. She’s a good person because she tries to do what’s best and thinks through decisions.

Okay, before going into this: No, I don’t think Penelope is very likeable but the fact that her character is flawed makes her the most interesting protagonist so far in Bridgerton.

Penelope Featherington is my favourite character in all this. Even before I knew she ad Lady Whistledown I liked her but after realizing it! Loved her so much more although it did take some time to just get over some things she had done.

“Who the hell wants to watch a paragon of virtue just do everything right every single time” is the perfect comeback for that inner voice constantly ragging on me 💯

I love her, she is so complex, so realistic and yet flawed. She is my favourite character

I honestly was on Penelope's side when she write that political radicalism piece about Eloise. I was confused why Eloise wouldn't forgive her. Penelope did that to protect Eloise, as she discussed with Madam Delacroix. If she didn't do that, the QUEEN would have ruined Eloise's family. It's far better for the Ton to gossip about the Bridgertons for a bit before they move on to their next scandal of the week. Being ruined by the Queen is an entirely different level. Its like being banished Prince Zuko style. In the end the Ton totally forgot about Eloise's scandal once season 3 came around. So Penelope was justified! Scandal is temporary but ruin by the Queen is forever. I think that if Eloise sat down and ate a snickers and thought about it she would realize the great thing Penelope did to save her.

I think you are spot on with your assessment of her. Not just what she did but why she did it. Sure, maybe a couple things were because of her own feelings but HELL! Why can't she have feelings too? Other characters did shitty things, but weren't held to task about it. Her imperfections and faults are what make her one of my favorite characters. She has so much more working against her than the others and has to work so much harder for a pittance of respect.

I love that Pen is a complex character with wants of her own and that she's not willing to let go of that just to be somebody's wife, because she knows it would make her unhappy.

You can defend her but the path she chose is basically stabbing her community in the back, biting the hand that feeds it. Everything was about image in that era and taking the path she did to “shatter” the image is really seen as the ultimate sin. As much as they love gossip, they certainly didn’t want the subject of it. Exposing the underbelly of the community is simply just going to open her family to worse strife down the line. Honestly, considering her open disdain for the queen at times, I wouldn’t be surprised if she wound up serving time in the Tower of London.

I like your way to put it into relation to the period.

If she didn't write about the Bridgertons, people would assume one of them wrote it!

I think Pen is morally light grey. Digs in, but doesnt want to really destroy the ones she loves.

Thank you! For this!👏

Finally! Someone gets it!

Has no-one mentioned the random top gear clip

Great video! I love the societal nuisances you brought in. Penelope picked the best options for herself and the people she loved. I love that she is flawed. She is a product of her family. And Eliose for how smart she is didn't think about how her actions would affect her family. They'd still be rich but you know. They'd be bottom of the barrell.

She is human, I love her!

One thing everyone seems to forget and overlook about Penelope is the fact she is an independent business woman, at 17, who has her own staff and network she pays and when she's come across adversity, she intelligent enough to adjust. Jesus, how may self-made, independently wealthy, 17-year-old businesswomen can you name? And as shitty as some of Pen's actions may be, Eloise is insufferable at times. She doesn't really hear Pen. She is so self-involved and sheltered she does what she wants, when she wants to without the fear of any consequences. Because the are no consequences for her. Not really. Though I will say, she acts more like a 17-year-old Pen. Pen is way more reserved and mature. It's why Violet approved of their friendship. She was hoping Pen would provide a grounding influence.

@vickiamundsen2933

Ай бұрын

i find it difficult to like Eloise, but remind myself that she too is a teenager. I was an airhead at that age, and knew even less about human nature than i do now!

Pen is a good character because she has complexity. She is much more believable as a person. No one is all good or bad. And no action is all good or all bad. Everything can be different depending on the POV, and everyone has good moments and bad ones. It makes her a character who is easily seen real human

This was a good thought piece.

Some of ya'll have never been treated the way Penelope has by people who are supposed to care about you, and it shows. Was she right at every turn? No. Did she make mistakes and morally ambiguous choices? Yes. However, consider the entirety of her situation and life, basically. No one takes her seriously, cares about her opinion, or prioritizes her. Even Eloise bulldozes her (despite the fact that Eloise really does care about Penelope and she's just shitty at reading the room). Like... of course Pen didn't want to share with anyone that she was LW. because then she would be losing all independence and agency over the one single thing she has for herself that can't be taken away or decided for her by someone else acting in their own best selfish interests. Is her character good? Not necessarily. Penelope is very well written, and her actress is incredible tbh. She's morally grey, and it's honestly nice. It (should) really make you consider all angles before judging someone. Eloise learns this lesson with Cressida regarding gossip and assumptions. People hating her I don't understand. Anthony was frankly vile, as was Simon. I think most people give them a pass because they're doing it somewhat outwardly (Simon's lies to Daphne about kids sure wasn't cool!), and they're dudes. Idk. I really like her character overall, and feel like she has a depth the rest don't for several reasons. People strongly polarizing themselves based on their perception of her and her actions is somewhat telling as well.

Not your video getting my hopes up that they finally released the second half of the season. I entirely forgot that it even existed. God damn it 😫!!!!

And she will put her own self on blast in lady whistle-down . Even if it hurts her and embarrassed her . She never big up herself . She exposes lies and injustices . And she wrote what she wrote to-save Eloise from the queen . I love her . She is and will always be my favorite because of her many complexities

Everything you said was absolutely 100% on point and how I feel! I support Penelope's rights and I support her wrongs

Thanks for pointin out that she didn't really ruined any life. Marina's situation is the best she could hope for, and Eloise's scandal seems to have been forgotten just months later. Penelope ist the most interesting character and I don't think I'd watch the show without her. This season it's my favourite!

People hating on pen do not know what they are talking about.

I will never understand the people hating on her when it should be the selfish Eloise.

I adore Penelope. She is true and loyal.