One of my old platoon sergeants used to make us have multiple Pace counts. Walking during the day, walking during the night, running at night and running during the day. I learned a lot from that man.

Great video Stoker I always enjoy your common sense approach to these topics! Lessons I learned during my time in the Army... Route planning is the most important step of patrolling. Plan your route based around the likelihood of contact IE a route that offers the most cover and concealment, or one that facilitates speed of movement if the area is not contested. Recon your route on the map and plan checkpoints to identifiable features along your route to keep yourself oriented and on azimuth. Use a linear feature that is perpendicular to your destination like roads, creeks, rivers and ridgelines as a backstop to know if you reach it, you have gone too far. Remember to conduct a nice long SLLS halt periodically along your route, and when you arrive to see if you are being tracked. Lastly, NEVER take the same route back as you used on the way in :) I'm not the best, but these rules always served me well during my time as an Infantryman.

I pace in feet, i have surveyed for 30 + years, my count is 38 steps for 100 ft., i have walked beside a chain (tape measure) for years up and down, i keep count all the time, and i'm here to tell you i get way off going up and down steep grades, i use an army compass or a clear modern compass every day, i walk grids a lot mapping the ground with gps, i use the stake out function in my data collector to stay on a grid by picking two points i collect as a baseline, and i'm here to tell you again i get way off easily, our declination here in ky is only almost 6 degrees, my point of all this gibbering is it is hard to stay on line and to pace even for someone who practices it everyday!, i print out maps of areas i'm working on and even take time to mark it with grid lines to measure off of and i really have to try hard to get around, i have learned quite a lot from your videos and i appreciate your effort to teach everyone these skills

You can download Google maps onto your phone. You can decide the size & location of the map to download, and you can download multiple areas. Then you can use the gps on your phone without needing to be connected to any internet or cell service.

@STOKERMATIC

2 ай бұрын

Too true.

I love my garmine. It gives my family piece of mine while im on a week long canoe trip. But navigating by Map and Compass is just good, old fashioned fun!

One thing to take into consideration is A flat map. For an example. On the map from Hilltop to Hilltop.is a 2000 Mater. I promise you time you walk down the hill and back up the next Hill it's more than 2000 m. You have to take in terrain features as a consideration. It's best if you use declination and Pace count. A long with dead reckoning.

@gabet945

2 ай бұрын

🍅 That's a lot of Maters!🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅

Silver quarters or clad quarters? Are they copper pennies or zinc pennies? Details matter!

@elumiluce

2 ай бұрын

Lol good point

four quarters, for my friends, ....No quarter for my enemies

Good points. I learned pace-counting on a SAR team in my early 20s. Not the same as the pace counts in this situation.

Dang that looks like our woods in Stone Co. Arkansas. Full of ticks this time of year. Great stuff thanks Stoker.

Stride changes from flats to up or down steep terrain. Also in snow of different depths

Long time follower. From all of my experiences, civilian and military. The best way i have learned (this applies to civilian and military). Do your pace count as if you were still hunting for deer. So almost identical to what you have described. ( a patrol is conducted much the same way). Appreciate what you do ol’ boy, and thanks for teaching everyone!

Doesn't matter if you have 4 quarters or 100 pennies, 35% will be going for taxes.

@DDGVET4

2 ай бұрын

Is that all? Where do you live? You left out the hidden taxes. Ad voloreum, sales tax, tax on interest, if you smoke or drink..sin tax, gasoline tax, utilities tax, school tax, and if you walk I'll tax your feet.

Good content. 60s pace counts are a long legged rockstar count. Four will be easier than a hundred to manage, sustain and hide in a contested environment.

I do trust more may ABC watch than my smartwatch with GPS on it!..and I own both

Terrain association always worked better for real world movements. Too easy to slip into your own little world while staring at the compass and counting steps. That said, every soldier should start with pace count and learn from there. If pace count is where you are at...keep at it. Learn to do it at speed, in the dark, etc. Eventually, you will stop moving per the map... and move per the terrain in front of you. When you do, you will find that your perception of the real world opens up. And that is the point of patrolling. Best of luck, Phil

@mikhailkalashnikov4599

2 ай бұрын

I agree. I've done a fair share of patrolling and just general movements to a rally point, etc. I never used pace counts unless it was a wide open desert or grassland, and those were very rare indeed. Night time patrols are somewhat different, but even then it was almost always a security patrol in a familiar AO.

@RedDevil5081

2 ай бұрын

Terrain association works for me too. 🥃🍻

I value the ability to use a map and compass even GPS...but how many of us really work outside of our AO? Most of us hunt/ fish/ hike in familiar terrain. The skill of Natural navigation in familiar terrain and being able to show where you are on a map without a compass is a skill that only comes from practice and familiarity of the land you patrol. The ability to have a mental map that requires recognition of familiar landmarks is related but very different . Know your land, but learn how to use the compass in your pocket.

@RedDevil5081

2 ай бұрын

Good point! 🥃🍻

Yes sir

4 quarters all day every day. Some learned military behaviors never go away and transfer well to the business world.

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Four quarters or 100 pennies in relation to a team? Well, that's like being a highspeed Team Leader or a 1SG. I know which one is more fun and easier to manage. I also know which one I enjoyed more. Can't say I ever remember anyone ever telling me how to run my team.

Always great information!! 👍 always learning..

He has great methods of passing along useful information and practically putting it use. 100pennies because thats what it takes to make 4 quarters.

@PatriotsArk

2 ай бұрын

@@alfanika2934 Sounds like you need hug? I'm an American citizen that wants to better myself for God, family and country. Helping others like he is doing,Like I try to do. Is the effort we need from all of the Community

@PatriotsArk

2 ай бұрын

@@alfanika2934 Oh ,Once I saved money by switching to GEICO

First thing everyone forgets: your pace count over flat ground is not going to the same over uneven, heavily vegetated terrain. What you carry on your back is irrelevant. You have to spend more time using the compass, protractor & map. You have to work on your terrain association. Getting lost isn't always a bad thing. it makes you use those skills. Not to mention, it's fun as Hell.

Make various terrain pace count cheat sheets/dope sheets.

I use map, compass and a handheld GPS in combination. Where I live and hike there's no such thing as a straight line or flat terrain or the ability to see beyond 50 yards. Pace count sometimes has its place but for the most part is impractical as is declination. If you get off trail for any length of time you are out of sight of any land marks you had. You had better be real familiar with the area for have more than one way to navigate. I'm in the rainforest of the Cascade Mountains of Oregon. Here's a sample of the area. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oaCgm5umf8i9mKw.html

@mattmarzula

2 ай бұрын

Well worn and marked trails. Signs of life (thanks for picking up that trash). Seems pretty easy to navigate in the day. Definitely not the place to get off trail in the dark. As far as terrain goes, if you have a map with contour intervals, you don't even need a compass.

@rixsix280

2 ай бұрын

The video was to show the terrain. That trail I found by following a game trail and it came onto an old CCC trail that is not used, maintained, on trail maps and is overgrown in many places. It ended up intersecting another trail that is infrequently used and still in decent shape. Other places I go to are off trail and in that area. Again, knowing, practicing and being good with many ways of navigating are in ones best interest. And thanks for watching the video. Your critique is appreciated. The trash was a party balloon that floated into the woods, popped and littered the ground. I find them from time to time in the woods.@@mattmarzula

@RedDevil5081

2 ай бұрын

​@@rixsix280Great video! I pick up trash when I'm hiking too...🥃🍻

Great video brother. 4 quarters

Quarters, small teams are best.

My pace count has always been 61. I've always trusted it and it's always been pretty accurate.

Well, what if you are in a situation where you can't recharge the dead batteries in your gps, and you simply have no way of obtaining fresh/new batteries ? Looks like you'll have to fall back on your map and compass.

@mattmarzula

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like someone who's plans didn't work out. AKA: failed.

I'll take 100 pennies. Smaller units of measure can allow you to fine tune along the way depending on terrain, security halt, etc.

@STOKERMATIC

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

Great video. 100 Pennies. Can use them to count

4 quarters is worth more than 10 dimes.😊

@STOKERMATIC

2 ай бұрын

I feel ya.

thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the reason why is the mind. 3:49

No real world knowledge of my pace count. But I would choose 4 quarters for size and weight. More efficient use of space. But if it was $100 vs $1, I’d choose and stash 100 $1 bills around my person in different places.

Four hand grenades or 100 rounds of ammunition - that's a tough one...

Ahhhhh it's the environment alters the pace count and the situation. Makes sense. 100 pennies. Can do a lot more with 100 items than you can with 4.

@STOKERMATIC

2 ай бұрын

Appreciate your thoughts John!

@mattmarzula

2 ай бұрын

Many hands do make light work. I remember when it came time to fill sand bags or lay wire, the 100 pennies were always doing that stuff. My quarters and I were providing local security and support by fire. You can do a lot more with 100 of something. A lot more low level unskilled work.

Pennies. With a penny as currency you can pay a six cent bill. With only quarters you have to pay 25 cents if change is not available. Readiness is planning for the unavailable.

What is the difference between one of these stand alone GPS units, and just using the GPS on your phone in offline mode (maps downloaded)?

@STOKERMATIC

2 ай бұрын

Other functions or interface is all that I’m aware of.

@rixsix280

2 ай бұрын

A topo map gives me a larger picture of the area with greater detail. I can lay my compass on the map and plan a course to travel. I use my GPS to find where I'm at on the map, then my GPS is powered off and I'm then using map and compass and try to travel in that general direction, as the terrain allows. Maps have a Datum and it's printed on the map, I set my GPS to the map Datum. I'm not sure if a smartphone has to be set to the downloaded maps datum or if it's done automatically, I don't own a smartphone.

So when you do your box method, do you measure the distance straight line/ line of sight/range finder or does your measurement include the contours?

@STOKERMATIC

2 ай бұрын

Grid point to grid point - so technically it can be off.

@mattmarzula

2 ай бұрын

That question doesn't make any sense to me as it is stated. Was that some sort of spew of rhetorical land nav buzzwords to act as some sort of flex?

@montanatacticalhomesteader6623

2 ай бұрын

@@mattmarzula not at all. Just a question to the stoke about distance measurement. Simple geometry makes following contours further than line of sight. It was a legit question as I’ve not used the box method before. No flex intended.

Let me ask a ,? If you need gps what happens if you don't have gps and or your battery runs out and you don't have a solar charger ,?

Never move at a trudge slow is safer easure your stride also muscle memory too night time double it

Ok, which is more important, your pace count or reaching your destination ?

@STOKERMATIC

2 ай бұрын

Knowing how to get there and making sure you do.

I would rather have 100 pennies, bc copper will be worth more... That being said, I GET YOUR POINT, and I still have the same reply, as 100 smaller, but FAMILIAR, reaction (aka, landmark) points WILL be worth MORE than 4 major ones that you aren't familiar with...

@Subdood04

2 ай бұрын

Pennies aren’t 100% copper anymore. Haven’t been for a long time.

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Not focusing on a fixed point will affect your pace count...

5 feet.

10 dimes.👍

I think people should learn operational redundancies don't you think

I Would Rather Have 100 Old School Real Copper Penny's! The Copper Will Be Worth More In Weight, When The Economy Crashes! Therefore, More Valuable Than Most Post Mid-1960's Quarters! P.S: Pace Count Is Variable Per Each Ones Leg Length, Condition Of The Person/Any Disabilities, The Terratories, Terrains And Mental State Of Stresses Involved At Verried Times! It's Why We Must Practice In Sandy Desert, Beach, Up/Down Hills, Mountians, Over Boulders, Slipery Slimey Creek Beds, Ice, Snow, Etc! Learning Tracking Helps As To l, How Not To Be Tracked And Stresses Accociated Like Messing With Your Pace Count, Etc! 🐕 😎 🇺🇸

P.S: Why Do People In Jumpsuits And Leg Irons Have The Best Pace Counts, Lol!?! 🐕 😎 🇺🇸

@DooDeeDew

2 ай бұрын

Because they are on the run.

Because no one walks in a straight line? No one goes out hunting and counts their paces?

ten dimes

Challenge accepted.

I lose my pace count every time I crack a beer.

@STOKERMATIC

2 ай бұрын

😂

I am sorry but I'll have a paper dollar, it's lite, quite and will not jingle making noise giving my location away, and I won't get mixed up with my count.

100 Pennies.

That lack of attention you're talking about, we called it "Ditty Bopping Through The Woods". Pace 62-65. I prefer map, compass and terrain association. Never used a Plugger or GPS. 🥃🍻🪂😁👍🏻🏴‍☠️🇺🇸

@EngineersQuest

2 ай бұрын

Ditty bopping!!! 😂😂 I remember that!!

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