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@lw4830

3 жыл бұрын

How would these compare to golden ears bookshelf 2 speaker system?

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I've never reviewed their speakers

@tomaszkordas9983

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Do these speakers play well with SMSL 18 AD ?

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I've tried it with the SMSL SA300 which is very similar and had no problems.

@tomaszkordas9983

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Thank you very much for the information. I was wondering about the argon audio forte A5. But the wharfedale diamond 12.1 opinion convinced me to buy. I am thinking about the Smsl as300 amplifier an interesting choice - will it sound well?

Man that hair is looking so on point in this video. That haircut is the Diamond One. Budget audio provides such a great value. Speaker leaderboard is such an innovative approach to reviews. Joe you are the man.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Innovating and creating value is one of my core values.

Great review Joe. Warfedale is do some great things, I would love to check out some of their tower speakers one day soon. Cheers man!

You put together some darn good reviews! Thanks

Just got a pair of these, just hooked them up a few hours ago, love them. Got them based off of your review and a few others I've seen. This coming paycheck will be some speaker stands. After that a subwoofer. Running these off of a 2001 vintage Harmon Kardon AVR110 and newer Audiolab CDT6000. Everything sounds beautiful!

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats!

@-MarkWinston-

2 жыл бұрын

How are they holding up? What kind of pairing worked well with them?

Nice review. Just bought the 12.0s from Crutchfield for $199 for test speakers in my garage.

Love your content , subbed

Joe great looking speakers! The price tag is as awesome as the aesthetics!

We are waiting for the 12.2's review.12.2 speaker is the sweet spot for bigger rooms with more bass.We who have the 225's that has nice/sweet mids and highs we hope that the new series will have sweeter mids and highs than the series 11.

@peterfitton4529

2 жыл бұрын

Hi. Do you think the 12.2s might be a bit "too much" and unsuitable for a small room? I have QA 3020i's but am unhappy with the bright/shouty upper midrange and am thinking hard about replacing them with the 12.1s or 12.2s. Thanks.

@andreassouth1523

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterfitton4529 Well, in my room 4.5mX3.5m I have no problem with the wrfs 225. Of course I like the heavy bass.12.2s woofer 150mm, 225s woofer 165mm.I'm sorry to hear this about the 3030i because I thought they had a softer sound than the 12.2s Regarding the 12.2s there are reviews from reviewers and users that they have a harsh treble. If in your country you can find the wrfs 225 or 220 get it straight. Also try to listen to mission lx3 mkii and qx2 mkii and wrfs 12.2 of course. Unfortunately I believe that wharfedale changed the relaxed sound of the previous series to a sound with extended high frequencies. I have not heard them yet but I tell you what I have read. Before I choose the 225 in 2018 I listened to 8 speakers and some for the 2nd time to be sure.90% of todays speakers are bright sounding because of the magazines i think.Which amp are you playing with?Also i think 12.2s must have the best/natural mids in the category. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aZ6YqauhYavFYpM.html hifitrends.com/2021/03/07/which-is-the-best-bookshelf-speaker-wharfedale-diamond-12-2-vs-q-acoustics-3030i-comparison-review/

@peterfitton4529

2 жыл бұрын

@@andreassouth1523 Interesting. Every single review I've seen of the 12.1 and the 12.2 have said neither has a trace of harshness/brightness. But the guy in your KZread link says different. Although a few of the comments are bemused by his review. The other guy doing the 12.2 & 3030i comparison doesn't really say the 12.2 is harsh or bright, though he does use the word "edgey" at one point. I actually suspect the brightness/harshness issues I have with my 3020i speakers are probably due to my amp, which is a Marantz PM6007. Maybe I'll get a couple of 12.1s and send them back if I don't like them, lol.

@andreassouth1523

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterfitton452912.2s in comparison to previous have Different sound signature. New designer and new materials for the drivers. I have heard PM 6006 on 2018 for 1 hour.Too much treble/sibilance and light not deep bass. So i bought yamaha A-S 701 which has normal treble and strong/deep bass,in comparison with Marantz.Tell us your impressions from 12.1s.

@Joe n Tell - Joe, Great review, as Usual ! Your analysis gave a lot of insight Not only on the Diamond, but the competition. Well Done ! ;-)

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Thanks for coming by after the live stream this morning.

@RoaroftheTiger

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell My Pleasure Joe. Your doing a Great Job !

Hey Joe thanks for the review! Curious how do you think these compare to Triangle Borea BR02?

Hey Joe, another great review! Awesome to see a smaller speaker perform so well. Any chance of also getting the new Monitor Audio Bronze in for review? The Bronze 100 are said to sound ‘big’, like the Denton 85th perhaps!

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Glad you liked it. It's always possible. I've reached out to them before.

Great review, Joe! Any chance of reviewing the Wharfedale EVO 4.2? Really wondering how they compare to the Denton’s :)

Very good and helpful review.

Are the new KEF bookmark speakers on here and on your list I can't seem to find them and it would be amazing to see where you put them on this list?

Hey Joe got my 12:1s coming very soon selling my 10:1s hopefully I’ll get to enjoy even more Wharfdale love greetings from the uk 🇬🇧

Have you ever tried the Chane speakers? I have heard lots of good stuff about them, I would be curious of your opinion.

Hidden gem in te line is the smallest 12.0. Quite close in performance to the 12.1 and does amazingly well with bass. Have them here on shelves in the corner of a bedroom.

@blast916

2 жыл бұрын

Are they good for nearfield listening? For desktop. Is the bass adequate or you would add a subwoofer?

Hey Joe. You have to follow these up with the 12.2's and the Evo4.2's. Bookshelf shootout! There are barely any reviews for the 12.2's though. And none that include a sound demo. An 11.1 vs 12.1 vs 12.2 vs Evo4.2 battle, maybe throw in the 12.3's in there too. Great review though.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if they had the 12.2's in stock for me to review at the time.

@Ashish-cg1ry

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell No worries man. The Evo 4.1's would be a better apples to apples comparison to the 12.1's probably. Had no idea they even existed.

@corkydukeII5898

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell I'd love to know Joe's thoughts if he were to run into this scenario: Purchase a pair of the 11.2's at a nice discounted price, or rest assured that the 12.2's are significantly better and spend the extra $$ for those (i'm guessing alot of Wharfe fans are thinking the same thing! : D )

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on the price and your overall budget. You can probably use DSP on an AVR to get them to sound similar.

@corkydukeII5898

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell I KNEW I should've been more specific on a price. Let's say, if the 11.2's can be had for only $349/pair. This might pose quite the dilemma...$150 cheaper than the 12.2's...but if the 12.2's are worth the extra cost? Hmmm. Sure makes one think! I have a feeling i'll personally be opting for the newer model!

Nice review love the letter lol.

Love the channel! Quick question, for $800.00 what is the best bang for buck bookshelf speakers for home theater? I have been looking at the fives but wondering if a receiver and a pair of passive bookshelfs would be better? Thanks.

@tango_gru

3 жыл бұрын

I am in a similar dilemma ... this has becomes more difficult to decide as I am not going out much to test the stuff out.

These 12.1's or the QA 3030i? Or would the 3050i be better all together? I'm newbie looking to build my first hifi/home theater audio system

Nice review. What speaker stands did you to show them off?

@joentell

2 жыл бұрын

Kanto stands. Prime day deal today! Affiliate Link ahead! amzn.to/3Ru8wGj

They are well made could easily cost twice as much. Great sounding speakers.

Joe you should test the Mission Lx2's and see how they stack up with the Wharfedales

I'm glad someone called out Elac for the lack of magnetic grills on some of their recent speakers. And you're not wrong about the tweeter on the Debut Reference and uni-fi 2.0. But on the subject, glad to see that Wharfedale did good by the Diamonds again. Odd that they have begun under-rating the bass response though. This is not the first time someone has suggested this with their newer speakers.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Why do you say I'm not wrong about the tweeter on the ELAC's. What did you hear?

@wymotome

3 жыл бұрын

There's just something that I don't necessarily find pleasing with the new Elacs. I thought perhaps it was the recording/source but I noticed it on a few systems. Maybe since bass has been reduced and the speaker is more "flat" were noticing it now? Not sure, even though I really wanted to like them. I have not had them in my home though as I fear they'd be going right back.

I see your test for the 2nd time after a year. It is a wonderful test. You should only leave the graphs of 11.2 and 12.1 at the same time for comparison. You said (9.25min.) that q 3030i you felt like they sound a little bit like bouncy?Meaning what?rough,uncomfortable,less smooth,stretchy,flexible,schrill?Iam between 12.2s and 3030i.Use for 50% ht 50%music.I like solid/deep bass and smooth/non fatiguing highs for long listening sessions (like my wrfs225s).

i just got the 12.2's for 214€ brand new. Talking about a great deal! 😀

Hey there , Thanks for the detailed review. Really surprised to see them rank so high on the Overall list. But you havent mentioned anything about the setup used for the testing. Will these be good with Denon PMA-600NE ?

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I had it connected to my NAD T778 and Parasound A52+. It also sounded good on my Yamaha A-S501 and a $99 Micca AD250 amplifier. Very versatile.

@tango_gru

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Hey that was quick , Thanks , much appreciate it !!!! Good morning to you and your family. Take care

@sameershetye9228

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Gurkirpal... I just bought the Denon 600 NE with the 12.2 and they go well with them. They sound warm and there is a lot of bass.

@tango_gru

2 жыл бұрын

@@sameershetye9228 Hi Sameer .. where did you buy the 12.2 from and how much did you get them for ?

The stands look nice, where I can get them?

Im thinking about using them for home theater surrounds. Wish they were able to be mounted on the wall

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

They have some pretty nice mounts on Amazon. I have no problem recommending these! amzn.to/2MvuRH9 (Amazon affiliate link). It's inexpensive and I've never had an issue with mine. Best thing is you don't have to make any holes in your speaker. Get some Blutack while you're at it too.

Thank you Joe for this amazing and detailed reviews. What you recommend for a tight budget: Crystal 4.3, Diamond 230, 11.3 or 12.3? They all are for sale in my country (300$, 375$, 375$, 500$) I listen acoustic music, pop and hip hop, I love deep and shaking bass, 23 sqm living room, I can put them only max 10-20 cm from the wall, no sub, I'll buy them in 5.0 config, no DSP for now. I appreciate your time for responding to our questions, thank you man!

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't tried the 230, but I can say each one is worth their price. I always say to get the best you can afford since it will make the biggest difference in sound.

@dumitru_sirbu

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Thank you a lot for response! Crystal 4.3 plus sub SW-10 or 12.3 no sub = same price, what you would chose for your self?

I love the look of these and they're actually affordable. I just don't know what I need to pair these with to get the best out of them without spending a lot more on amps and dacs. Any advice?

@joentell

2 жыл бұрын

Any decent amp with enough power to meet your loudness expectations in your room.

Really ought to give the company Dali a look, think you might like, got some older Wharfedale Diamond 220's and the Dali Spektor 2's out in the living room are quite nice. The overall presentation and presence they give is quite impressive, they are a bit on the brighter side but in a pleasing way to my ears. For reference I tend to like more neutral sound with large but accurate sound stage and imaging, like the HiFiMan Sundara headphones, which I own. These remind me a lot of that kind of voicing. Would be more than curious your opinions. I find them better than Q Acoustics myself, far more precise and responsive.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I've emailed Dali so many times and they've said they would send something. Still nothing.

@Vercinaigh

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Here's to hoping

@darrellcoutinho805

3 жыл бұрын

I also have the Dali Spektor 2's and I adore their sound and value for money

@-MarkWinston-

2 жыл бұрын

Dali's are somewhat opposite of the Diamonds

Hello, I wanted to buy the Q3030i based on most reviewsbut now i am wondering if it would not be better to buy an easier to drive speaker with 8ohms nominal impedance? Like this Warfedale 12.1? Is it normally true for all 6 ohm speakers that you can’t listen to them at low volume and are bound to increase the volume? Like in the case of Elac debut 2 speakers? Since you own the UB 5s you would know what i am trying to ask here?

@joentell

2 жыл бұрын

Most new amps can handle 4 ohms no problem. The better indicator is sensitivity. Maybe watch our for speakers lower than 85db sensitivity. You might need a more powerful amp to get those to play loud.

Are these ones better than the SVS Prime Bookshelf?

Hello Joe, Would you mind a suggestion. I am a big fan of the speaker leader board, but even you mentioned in this video that it can get a little inconsistent. Would you consider scoring all of the speakers you review based on some key criteria, and then the scores can act as the ranking system rather than doing it on the fly. Honestly, it does seem sometimes like recency bias may influence your rankings. Just a thought. Thanks.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

No recency bias here. A lot of the top speakers are old. Actually most are. But there definitely is bias because I'm choosing speakers based on my preferences and my room. I just hope to be transparent about my bias so people can calibrate themselves to me as an imperfect reviewer. A move towards more objective data makes sense though. The issue with a ranking system is that how much weight I might put on looks/build quality/bass/treble/midrange/imaging/sound stage/etc. will be different for me than for someone else. I always laugh when people rate stuff as if all the criteria have equal weight when they most likely do not. I appreciate the feedback though. I do have to redo this leaderboard.

@stevensmith8793

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Thanks for responding. Keep up the good work.

DALI send this man something, we are all waiting. xD

@AmbientWanderer

3 жыл бұрын

the budget Dali's sound too treble-heavy for me. Their mid-range speakers sound petty nice though

I would like to see a review comparing the Wharfedale Diamond 12.1 and the Diamond 12.2

@anthonymackey222

3 жыл бұрын

Check out Just Audio, they just uploaded.

@angelllacuna8889

3 жыл бұрын

@@anthonymackey222 thank you, Anthony.

What speakers are best for Rock music ? love bass

That's a great review. I really like your leaderboard. Maybe you can give me hint for a 2.0 or maybe 2.1 home theater. I'm torn between the Wharfedale Diamond 12.2, Klipsch RP-600M, Elac Debut 2.0 B6.2 and Triangle Borea BR03. I can't order them all (+ I hate returning things), so I have to narrow it down to 2 speakers. Any help is welcome! Edit: I mean for movies/tv/series.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Ohhh tough one. Those are all pretty good. I think you would have to tell me more about your personal preference in sound, your expectations, and your room.

@versy8572

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Thank you for the reply! The room is almost a square (14ft x 12ft) and I'm sitting 11.5ft away. On one side is an open passage (6ft). My preference is a good question, these will be my first "real" speakers. I just know cheap soundbars. (Don't hit me) My biggest fear is that they are maybe too "neutral" and action movies won't make any fun. Also that problem without a center.. understanding voices in loud sequences is a concern from me. Thank you for your help, I'm trying to get into audio stuff since a week.. and it's pretty damn hard without some suggestions.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

If you're realistic about your expectations for a pair of bookshelf speakers with no sub (for movies) I think the Wharfedale would be my first choice because they measure the best. The Klipsch are good for dialogue because the slightly boosted highs and the horn help direct some of the sounds in the vocal range. Helpful when listening at lower volume. Also, looks matter. See which one appeals to you more. Any of those are a huge upgrade from any sound bar. Excited for you!

@versy8572

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Thank you for the feedback, I really appreciate it! A sub will definitely come in the future. I just found out that the Klipsch are on sale for 340€ (I'm in europe) which makes them 40€ cheaper than BR03 and Wharfedale. I just ordered them. But since your review of the Wharfedale I'm really interested in them, also I really like that oak/white color. So like you suggested, I will probaby compare these two. Again, thank you! :)

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed those Klipsch when I had them. You made a good choice. There's no perfect speaker. I think Wharfedale is less expensive in the UK than it is here in the US

I wonder how these compare to the Diamond 225, as they are now identical in price.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I've always wanted to test those and never got to. From reviews it seems that the 225's had more rolled-off high frequencies.

@wymotome

3 жыл бұрын

The Diamond 225 is like a more polished version of Elac Debut B6 (original). IMO its what the Debut 2.0 should have been. Fantastic speaker for the price right now.

Hey Joe I am confused between these or the ELAC B6.2 for my desktop setup and purely for music. Could you help?

@joentell

2 жыл бұрын

Probably these just based on size

How would u compare them with the SVS Prime, 2 channels along with a sub? Thanks so much!

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to beat a pair of good speakers and a sub. It's like comparing bookshelf speakers to a full-range speaker. It also depends on whether you're connecting it to an AVR or a stereo receiver. You need an AVR or MiniDSP to properly integrate the SVS sub because it adds a delay to the signal that the AVR can add to the other speakers to maintain the timing.

Do you think the diamond 12.0s for 100$ less would be a better option if you don’t need the bass? Do you think the diamond 12.0s and 12.1s have the same mid range and treble? Bass for me is not a problem since I have svs subs

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I can get with that thinking. As long as you don't need to play them super loud, I think most people would be pretty happy with that setup. I would.

oh din expect it score quite low, and the ELAC reference too.

Both Wharfedale & Q acoustics make excellent affordable speakers.

Do you think these would work mounted close to a wall, or can you recommend a front or bottom port speaker around this price point for that purpose? thanks!

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

How close?

@AlexTyson_

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell like mounted on floating hardware/shelves.. back of speaker could be maybe 5" max away from wall.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Used with or without a sub? Using DSP correction or full-range?

@AlexTyson_

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Ideally no sub but can be convinced. I'll buy receiver based on speaker choice. Hoping the whole system is under $1k.

@AlexTyson_

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Also, a wider sound stage is preferred.. listening distance roving, up to 12 ft away.

I know you've only checked 12.1s but what which under 4-500 integrated amp would you say 12.2 can pair best with?

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I like my Yamaha A-S501. I've reviewed it as well. Here are other products I like kit.co/joentell Are you planning to stay with a 2-channel setup or go multi-channel in the future?

@breakthelegacy

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell I think I'll stick to 2.1s. adding a subwoofer only if necessary. What kind of sound signature does yamaha have? Edit: I forgot to thank you!!!

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. I'm very excited for you. I prefer amps that don't impart their own sound signature. I question some reviewers who say they can hear huge differences. I've measured numerous amps with speakers and the differences are extremely minor compared to differences in the sound imparted by the speakers and the room.

@breakthelegacy

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell thank you so much again. I really appreciate your reviews! Since I'm an absolute beginner to the world of audio, they are absolute gold ☺️.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I'm here if you have any more questions. I'm more than happy to help out. I get to enjoy the excitement through you all.

Are these speakers good for desktop/pc setup? I want good speakers at low volume and near field listening for a long duration. Is there hiss sound?

@joentell

2 жыл бұрын

I used them at my desk and loved them. These aren't powered so you need an amp. I've reviewed the SMSL SA300 and SMSL AD18 and those will work at the desk. Lower hiss than most inexpensive powered speakers since those are always at full volume. A separate amp allows you to turn it down at the source meaning lower hiss. When you turn it up, usually music is playing so you wouldn't hear the hiss anyway.

@dittonara

2 жыл бұрын

@@joentell thank you for the fast response! Yeah I'm ok with the additional amp, I search for the upgrade for my current kanto yu2 +sub. I will look at those SMSL as well. Thanks, great channel you have there.

@inspectahdeck2642

2 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Were they too boomy on the desk? I'm not sure which one to pick, they are all almost identical price where I live, the 12.0, 12.1 and 12.2 that is. I could fit them all on my desk, but since I'm near a wall, maybe 12.0 would be the best choice? Or would it lack bass so I should go for 12.2?

Wonder if I'd prefer the 12.0 if I already have a subwoofer.

@-MarkWinston-

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, 12.1 for a sub and 12.2 for subless. 12.0 is just too small a driver to fully project that glorious diamond series signature sound. 12.0 will work nearfield.

Joe whats a good soundbar under 500bux, my wife doest like the bulky boxes.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Go with Sonos for more tonal accuracy or just go cheap and get a Vizio sound bar.

@SextonHardcastle2

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell thanks

@keithjohnson2863

3 жыл бұрын

Check out the Vanatoo T0. For $360, they have great sound for the price, they're small enough to fit on a TV stand and lay on their sides if necessary, and their unique shape presents different options for how you can display them. There is a connector for a sub. There is a built in crossover that is engaged when a sub is connected. And they can be repurposed if they will no longer be used as TV monitors.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

@@keithjohnson2863 That's a good recommendation. I've reviewed them and they're very good.

@keithjohnson2863

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Here is the review from Joe for the Vanatoo T0's kzread.info/dash/bejne/oaecj5p8lrCep9Y.html Here is a review of those speakers from Joshua Valour: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qnqLj4-AmpTQd8Y.html

What about speaker placement? Are these speakers hard to position in a medium room (6x4 meters) ?

Could I run this at 4ohms all day at loud volume?

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

The ohms are determined by the speaker, you can't set it. But, yeah, you could bump these all day!

You like the PSB P5 or the Diamond 12.1 better, Joe?

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Gotta go 12.1 based on bit.ly/SpeakerLeaderboard

@garywong1178

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Joe. Really like your speaker reviews. They are both truly helpful & enjoyable !

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

They're just a guide to hopefully assist in you making the best decision for you.

@noob_strikes0011

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell going for WD 12.2/ opting over triangle elac BnW based on your leaderboard. Thank you

@skny2282

3 жыл бұрын

@@noob_strikes0011 $100 more for 6” version is no brainer.

This or a Denton 85/80?

I'm considering whether to get the 12.4s for $1000 or Lintons for $1500, they have the same frequency range of 40 hz to 20 khz 🤔. I know that's not everything, and I'm not holding my breath. I don't think anyone's gonna do a comparison.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Buy them both and keep what you like?

@NeapolitanApe

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell I wish I had that much money lol

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure you could figure out how to make it happen

Recently got the 11.1 for 150. couldnt pass it up for that price.

@LISSIPISSY

Жыл бұрын

Ну и как они тебе?Сравнивал с другими Diamonds?У меня тоже такие же,меня абсолютно всё устраивает.Я только переживаю за полиуретановый подвес вместо резины,не хочу чтоб он развалился со временем.Раньше в СССР выпускались колонки с мягким подвесом как пороллон или губка и они очень быстро рвались.Но надеюсь что всё же технологии не стоят на месте и этот материал продержится столько же сколько и резина.

I’ve had a pair for a while now. They are good…big bass but not as good for me as my Triangle BR02

Useful review for the qualities I am looking for in a speaker. Wharfedales for me are now off the list.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Off the list?

@nc3419

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell It seems it has similar characteristics to the 225s I heard. I'm a Focal and Triangle guy but was intrigued by the 12 series. I'm sure they are a fine speaker to one who stays in the sweet zone. No offense.

Classic

These speakers sure have purdy mouths. But seriously I do like the hint of a old school vibe in these. Nice

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

They don't look to bad right? They looked boring on the website.

@sleazypig

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell I love the looks. My one issue probably would be that I do prefer a wider stereo soundstage than speakers that you have to constantly have to mess with to get a good soundstage but god I do love the looks mm beautiful.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Just go surround sound with the entire 12 series and that will solve that. 😉 That's kind of what I want to do.

@sleazypig

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell They would probably make excellent surrounds with a matching larger speaker for up front.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

If I could fit the floor standers I would.

do they come with a port plug?

Yooo! I think I know you…are you from Rowland Hieghts 626 area? Joes cousin?

@joentell

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, what's up!

@ChristiansCollections

Жыл бұрын

Bro I haven’t seen you in decades Fam. My brother chris was joes boy and I used to tag along…I think you had a maxima Mack in those days.

@ChristiansCollections

Жыл бұрын

@@joentell good to see you on the grind! You popped up on my feed and I was like…I think I know this foo. Haha

@joentell

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristiansCollections remember when we threw that pumpkin down the hill? 🤣

@ChristiansCollections

Жыл бұрын

@@joentell dude I remember that! Stomach was hurting from laughing so hard lol. Did we get them from random houses?

This speaker designed by genius german speaker maker “karl heinz fink” and it was the last freelance job before Fink Team.

Triangle Borea br03?

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I rated these higher on bit.ly/SpeakerLeaderboard

We want center channel speaker best of budget

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't mind an all Wharfedale 12 surround sound setup if that's what you mean

Anyone looking for an amazing value in bookshelf speakers should consider the small maker Fritz Heiler. No dealer cut, no advertising or marketing overhead, just the talent and engineering expertise of someone doing this for 40 years. Not affiliated, just a fan. See a review, here, of one of his top of the line models: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eqJnypWNm5m2qqg.html

it look better than round cabinets on diamond 11

Wharfdale's first Diamonds were in the late 80s and remain legendary. Your researcher screwed up.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Yes you're right. I was talking about my personal experience in the past few years.

I can tell that you are not that happy to the Wharfedale's Diamond 11 series. I can see it in your eyes.

@joentell

2 жыл бұрын

I liked the Diamond 11's. But I like these more.

@Saul_Goodman_Criminal_Lawyer

2 жыл бұрын

@@joentell When use mainly for a desktop set-up, the 12's are better right?

What the hack is an accurate sound stage? 😂

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

One where the distance between objects/sounds in the mix are clearly defined and are reproduced the way the mastering engineer intend them to. I'm not sure if you're being sincere with your question, but the answer is it comes down to angles. The angle of the sound relative to the lister should be the same as the angle that it came to to the mastering engineer. Of course, that's nearly impossible to determine given you don't know how far the speakers and the engineer was from them, BUT some speakers interact with a room in more controlled ways that keep reflected sounds from smearing the direct sound.

@-MarkWinston-

3 жыл бұрын

You got your answer from Joe himself so what chu gonna do now? Thought so.

@Nearest_Neighbor

3 жыл бұрын

@@-MarkWinston- Damn, I didn't even knew he answered. Yes, that was a stupid and ignorant way to ask from me. I guess what I was trying to say is that most of the time we don't know what sound(stage) the mastering person had intended. Thanks for the heads up and thanks to Joe for the answer!

However, I would definitely invest the additional costs of around $100 and buy either the Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 or even the Q Acoustics 3030i instead, because both sound better than the 12.1, the 3030i is the best recommendation of the three for my taste, because it sounds more balanced and is less critical when it comes to placement, but the 12.2 or the 303i are therefore really more worthwhile in the long run, and you shouldn't save at the wrong end even at the beginning of your hi-fi hobby either.

@jolkraeremeark6949

Жыл бұрын

Trying to decide between Wharfedale 12.2 and Polk R200, any thoughts?

@MrJueKa

Жыл бұрын

@@jolkraeremeark6949 Based only on the few really technically good sound demos here on YT, I would take the Wharfedale 12.2, which sounds more pleasant to my ears in the long run.

Better than the 11.1???

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I prefer the tonality of the 12.1

@paulo1901

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell The 12.2s are on my list. Cheers!

@drazenbabich

3 жыл бұрын

Don't believe the new product hype, Paulo.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Why have you tried both and don't agree? I think the frequency response charts speak for themselves.

@drazenbabich

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell You hook your statements too much on the frequency charts mate, that's not how the speaker necessarily sounds to people when listened to. Technical data is one thing, the perception of sound is subjective and very different to different people. I've heard many a speaker in the past with a nearly perfect frequency response across the hearing frequency band, but they didn't do much for me. Some of us look for a certain sound coloration and wide sound-stage, not every speaker with great frequency response has them.

Joe, did you know that audible (music/tone memory factually is one of the weakest senses humans have? Unless you're doing a side by side comparison everything else is based on feeling and not in real time.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

I'm referring back to actual measurements. Short-term, our memory isn't very good for audio. If you were to ask about the overall tonality of most of the speakers I've reviewed, I could give a general idea of their tonality because I use them for enough time to get an idea about their characteristics.

@b.a.2335

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Thanks Joe. Appreciate you clearing that up 👍🏽

please review edifier s1000mkII

damn i should have got these instead of diamond 11.1's

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Enjoy your speakers. If you have autoEQ functionality on your AVR, that can do a lot to minimize the differences. If you don't.....then you should've gotten the the 12.1's ;-)

@DEADMONEY_

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell i really like my wharfedale diamond 11.1s i got, they sound really clear i have them with the fluance signature bookshelf speakers for a 2.1 stereo system but the fluance bookshelfs have really boosted mids they sound horrible compared to the diamond 11.1s planning on replacing them with these diamond 12.1s

I just bought diamond 12.4 based on your review and kinda regret it. I am using AV receiver Denon X3600h to power the speaker and using bi-wire cable.

@noob_strikes0011

3 жыл бұрын

Why not like ? Do explain how they sound to you please

@desperadobakorpakem

3 жыл бұрын

@@noob_strikes0011 clarity not as expected from this price range and low quality on high notes. I plan to sell immediately.

@noob_strikes0011

3 жыл бұрын

@@desperadobakorpakem perhaps WD evo 4.2 clarity better

@-MarkWinston-

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you are on a very poor source like youtube or sattelite tv or some low grade mp3, the 12s are nowhere near dull in the higher end. The only time I noticed that is was dull is as I mentioned above, and I would need to turn up the treble knob to compensate for that poor source. Or maybe you just like boosted highs like B&W or Klipsch.

just say, no demostration. I cannot understand

you really set up a point system for each speaker you reviewed, what you doing to your leader board is very subjective dependable to the mood of the day you reviewed them, really not good enough.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

"not good enough." Then you do better. It's easy to criticize.

@yttean98

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell I touch a soft spot, you cannot take criticisms. Accept accolades fine and smile. When you are public you must be able to accept both.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Nope. Just saying that YOU should do it. I bet anything you won't. I know people like you. All you can do is criticize other people's work because you don't do anything.

@yttean98

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell If I have I channel I'll doing what I suggest. Your FINAL score on your leaderboard is actually based on your subjective evaluation and NOT objective. You have already done so much work what is actually put your work based on a point system, the difficulty is put your brainpower on translating the point system into actually figure that will reflect your assessment if you can do that your assessment will be consistent and not subjective.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

Lol. Of course it's subjective. Lol at the "IF I had a channel." Of course you would say that, but you won't do it. Do it! KZread is free to sign up for. I'm sure you have recording capabilities on your smartphone. Go ahead. Stop talking and start doing. I'm not even being nasty. This is advice that I would wish more people would take. Having real experience puts you in a much better position to give CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Here's the problem with you trying to give me advice when you have never done it yourself. I HAVE tried a weighted rating system when I first started. If you really cared, you could have asked if I had ever tried it, but you didn't because you wanted to prove something. FYI, it was extremely time consuming. Also, in order for that to be useful to others, they would have to know their weighting for different criteria in order to use the "objective" data. Rarely is the data 100% objective. We aren't robots in the way we make decision. A systematic approach would help guide us, but so would talking to an someone with lots of experience. Just to prove my point, tell me YOUR relative weighting foe different criteria when trying to decide on a speaker. What are the percentages? Did you arrive at those weightings in a systematic way?

The sound board wouldn't be annoying if it was actually in focus and you didn't constantly jump around A suggestion.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

In focus? It's a screen capture and not taken with a camera.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

You can also go directly to the site bit.ly/SpeakerLeaderboard

@fletchermunson6225

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Thanks. Keep up the good work.

I totally disagree with your claim of consistency of reviewed and it rewarded speakers between the brands you named, namely PSB ,...and Paradigm. Ellac debute Are just a few years in the making...But PSB Alphas and Paradigms Atoms are Legendary, and have won wow many speaker of the year awards for over two decades... Just recent the paradigm Monitor Atoms was given a All around better speaker sound than the Q acoustics alone...not to mention best budget speakers period , this was consistent with about four well known hi fii magazine editor reviews....

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

That's good that you disagree. I have never reviewed Paradigm products. Dali either. Nor KEF. I can only speak about what I've tried personally.

They are too bright! And you have to take into consideration that most budget amps, which are the obvious pairing for these bokkshelfs, have bright highs. So all in all a misjudgement and a bad designing call.

@joentell

3 жыл бұрын

The measurements don't suggest they're too bright. The old ones yes. Not these.

@cristim9779

3 жыл бұрын

@@joentell Take a look here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a6SoqtWolbi4aMY.html They are too bright even with a 1000$ amp which i heard paired with Q acoustics 3020 and is not bright. So these must be way brighter than Q

@-MarkWinston-

2 жыл бұрын

@@cristim9779 the 12s are nowhere near bright. Not in the least. The 11s are. And in Darko's case, that is just an example of unlucky pairing. Any speaker, as dull as they sound, would sound bright with the wrong amp. The 3020s and 3030s have a brighter sound next to the 12s and not as linear too.