Consent is a matter of actively saying yes. NOT passively not being able to say no. This is all abominable

@Arwyn76

17 күн бұрын

Legal Consent has come a very long way from when this originally aired. I agree, it's despicable but back then and even still today, rich and entitled people are often the worst humanoid-like (cuz they really aren't human and I think if aliens are actually out there they don't want to be associated with them either) to strut this earth.

“She barely had a pulse” Ok but that’s way worse.

@junehoneycrisp

Ай бұрын

like how can he say that and think that makes it better??

@SjofnBM1989

Ай бұрын

Like I feel like asking for volunteers probably wouldn't be that hard and would be 10,000× less 1) illegal and 2) morally bankrupt than medically assaulting disabled women who have no ability to consent.

@BlackCatFilmProductions

23 күн бұрын

Yeah, its like she has no say with her body.

@BlackCatFilmProductions

23 күн бұрын

@@SjofnBM1989 With his money the volunteers would do it. People would go to the extremes measure of being paid a big fee. My guess he wasn't planning to provide any money to the women or their families for this.

@Slowpoke3x

13 күн бұрын

​@@BlackCatFilmProductionsshe doesn't, probably never will again. Being unconscious most likely till the day you die means you cant make choices. So someone will have to make the choices for them. All you can do is hope that the law gives the power over your body to the right people.

"Audrey is in no worse condition now than she was before." OK, I'm not a medical expert, but I _do_ know pregnancy can have significant risks for _healthy_ women, and as a medical professional he would know this prior to the "procedure". This doctor violated his oath by committing malpractice, and needs to be referred to the board for disciplinary action. And if memory serves, medical boards are _much_ swifter than bar associations when it comes to revoking licenses.

@codename495

15 күн бұрын

Oaths aren’t a thing in real life honey. Contracts? Laws? Yes, Oaths? No.

@arianebolt1575

14 күн бұрын

Forced abortion is absolutely leaving her worse.

There have been many real life cases of coma patients getting pregnant. Even giving birth, if I recall correctly. And, tragically, an unknown number of assaults that did not cause pregnancies to give it away.

@hydrangeas_lover

Ай бұрын

So so many disgustingly

@teslagirl1

Ай бұрын

A man in Ohio was widely praised for his devoted care of his comatose wife...how he began working from home in order to care for her exclusively. People didn't even blink when he refused the help of female family members in bathing her. But maybe they should have realized how isolated the unconscious woman actually was. Only when the man's 12 year old told others about her mom's pregnancy...and about her Dad's plea for her(yes, the kid)to pretend that the child was hers...did anyone even begin to ask questions. Never mind what that would have done to the kid's life. And never mind how dad was going to get around the exam issue (plus the kid was a virgin, an issue even if dad was claiming miraculous conception). The man simply didn't want the "shame" of what he had actually done, preferring instead to involve yet another innocent... despicable.

@elenachristian9860

Ай бұрын

​@@teslagirl1Oh god. New relationship fear unlocked.

@MondoBeno

Ай бұрын

A huge number. Often at the hands of male nurses. And they get very short sentences.

@anniekinsmishkamouse7575

Ай бұрын

@@teslagirl1 Something was fishy from the get go. I can only speak of my State and my personal situation. But, it is rare that a comatose person is cared for at home to begin with. When it became necessary to place my Mother on Hospice, it was discussed if she would come home or go to a care facility. Like a comatose person she required round the clock care. As just myself, I could not physically, or to be honest mentally, do it. Plus all the logistics of medical equipment. Especially is the person is on a breathing machine. Before my Mom could even be considered to come home, the situation would require evaluation and visits from Hospice, which was a team of three main people and intermittent CNAs. But, they would only be there for short visits to do something specific. An hour or two every few days would be the only help I got. Anything more would be self paid. Just like for the care facility. So the husband turning down help is weird. His working from home and getting a full night's sleep would be nearly impossible on his own. Regardless, my heart went out to that poor woman and her daughter. What a wretched person the husband was. I hope justice was found for her. Thank you for sharing the story.

Crazy how he tries to justify impregnating two comatose women with “can’t bare to ask any woman to knowingly carry the burden of being impregnated and needing to abort it.” Impregnating someone without their consent is way worst, and there’s a chance that those in a comatose state can still HEAR AND FEEL their surroundings. At least the women you ask and pay for temporary surrogacy actually consented to it and don’t have their basic human right violated.

@grlnexdoorable

16 күн бұрын

You think there were only 2?

@similanjitjaroen8491

6 күн бұрын

Not to mention some cases of coma turned out to be misdiagnosed for lock-in syndrome. Those women would be aware that they were raped/inseminated and were pregnant, but unable to defend themselves in any way.

@ReneeJoan

10 сағат бұрын

This scenario - while fictitious - completely violates every principal of biological research on human subjects, starting with the lack of an IRB, an Independent Review Board. An IRB exists to prevent this very thing from happening. The IRB establishes protocols to ensure proper disclosure is given and consent obtained, and to ensure that ethical guidelines are followed and the rights of the subject are protected. The IRB also watches out for conflicts of interest - like the sole source of funding is also the primary (maybe the only) beneficiary of the research. So it’s no surprise that Mr. Rich Guy has this whole enterprise kept super hush hush, with no IRB. The guy who came up with the Tuskegee syphilis project followed the same slimy process - secrecy, no IRB oversight, twisted up ethics based on Utilitarianism and Nietzsche. I’m pretty sure Mengele justified his research in the same grounds. He, also, had no IRB overseeing his research.

"What will, she barely had a pulse" Why dont people on this show ever invoke the 5th

@Matisaro

Ай бұрын

Wny would copaganda want to inform about our rights?

@yanina.korolko

Ай бұрын

@@Matisaro Why do you need to be informed about your rights? Don't you know them?

@user-ll6zn3xv9v

Ай бұрын

It's a show

@Squirreltasticqueen

Ай бұрын

TV show

@Squirreltasticqueen

Ай бұрын

​@@yanina.korolko no the average person doesn't.

Okay so why not pay for a surrogate and have the mother carry the child full term and give him the umbilical cord if that has all he needs?!

This is why doctors are needed to have a moral code.

@GreatBigRanz

Ай бұрын

They do, it's called the Hippocratic Oath.

@annlouiserainey4888

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately, there have been real life cases when the doctor/nurse violated the Hypocratic Oath and committed heinous acts against the patients and their families and friends. All just so they can keep evidence against themselves away from the authorities and go to jail.

@b2kzangelalwayz

Ай бұрын

need to have and are needed to have doesn’t mean the same thing.

@TheDurid1

Ай бұрын

These guys put it well. The oath exists, but not every doctor follows it as well as they should. Or have some interpretation of it that undermines and corrupts the oath.

@debrataylor1719

Ай бұрын

I do not TRUST DOCTORS ANYMORE!!! THEY WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT GANGSTERS

Wow he said the woman left the earth a year ago. He doesn’t know that. She could regain consciousness. In fact, she could have been aware the entire time and was wrongly diagnosed as comatose. Also, I’m sure there would have been women who would have been willing to help this man if given full disclosure. He’s talking about his body being a prison already yet these women are imprisoned in their bodies at the moment and at at risk with a pregnancy that they didn’t consent to. There’s a lot of things that could go wrong even in a healthy body pre-pregnancy. At least consenting women would be aware of potential risks.

@PandoraBear357

29 күн бұрын

There's the additional ethical problem of him wanting a child only as a means of improving his own health. So, even if women were willing to help him, any doctor who helped him would be at least a little unethical. With him having custody of the baby, I would hope there would be someone who raises a red flag and an ethics board would review any procedures involving a child being a donor for a legal guardian.

@mikebuncak1271

28 күн бұрын

Are you referring to locked in syndrome where they are able to know their surroundings and feel everything but can't do anything so basically a coma but you are conscious the whole time.

@jazzybash1

28 күн бұрын

@@mikebuncak1271 yes

@jazzybash1

28 күн бұрын

@@PandoraBear357 yeah. Donor children phenomenon is crazy. Have you seen that movie with Cameron Diaz where the daughter sues her mother because she was born solely to heal her sister?

@mikebuncak1271

28 күн бұрын

@@jazzybash1 The movie is My sister's keeper. I believe.

You’re not helping others if your methods have the potential to cause trauma for others. The woman still has innate value. Abusing her ability to bring life, is beyond cruel.

This episode was so infuriating because it was one of the realest ones. Women (especially women who are not white) have been used and abused by the medical field for hundreds of years. Black and indigenous women are much more likely to die during childbirth due to medical negligence. The man lauded as the father of modern gynecology tortured enslaved black women for his research. Slaves were purposely infected with disease and poisoned to see the effects on the fetus. Bipoc women have been raped and experiemented on for more than 200 years. Thousands of dead babies litter the land. And we all remember Tuskeegee. And currently, sexual assault in women's nursing homes, inpatient facilities, and hospitals is globally underrepresented. Many women in these places and prison are experimented on to this day. As recently as 2005, there was a Korean scientist who faked the ability to clone humans. He pressured his female staff to undergo dangerous egg retrievals, lying to them about the seriousness of the procedure.

@andreamaclachlan980

Ай бұрын

And now it has been revealed that pelvic exams are performed WITHOUT CONSENT during surgeries!!! And med students think they have 'the right because it is their education '!!! Sick all around. Time for the medical industry to be put out of business for good. It's just legalised d*ug pushing and butchery. People need HEALTH CARE.

@TheeSinnerman

27 күн бұрын

And then they use the "Greater good" excuse in this one. Greater good for who exactly? Not the Mother. Not the baby.

@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676

27 күн бұрын

They do NOT die due to medical negligence. They die due to lack of available care, and money.

@rissagarrett2840

26 күн бұрын

​​@@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676 they DO die from medical negligence. You can go fact check that, or you could just listen to women about their lived experiences.

@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676

26 күн бұрын

@@rissagarrett2840 YOU have to prove it is higher than anywhere else. The simple FACT is that they don't get the care they need. MOSTLY that is because the care is not available at all. I mean really. You complain about the smaller issue, and leave out the monster one. How ridiculous.

So a) pretty sure a court case showing you illegally impregnated a woman would lead to a custody case that goes to the grandparents and not you. And b) all you want us the umbilical cord why not offer to terminate your rights as a parent and support the grandparents adoption along with a tidy trust fund (since the guy is uber wealthy) settlement in exchange for the umbilical cord? Seems like a no brainer for the skeevy rich guy. I could see the parents balking because they want you prosecuted but that ship has sailed and if you want to at the very least be left alone by these monsters and have a decent future for your grandkid, that seems like the way to go.

@boredlawyer3382

Ай бұрын

I see you beat me to it. He gets the u-cord, they get the baby. If it were me, I would add he needs to set up a $ 10 Million trust fund for the baby, to get when he or she turns 21.

@ursaltydog

Ай бұрын

Not sure the guy would wait or could wait 9 more months for the umbilical cord. It would then take awhile to obtain those stem cells, ensure they matched and then the treatment.

@boredlawyer3382

Ай бұрын

@@ursaltydog He sued for custody. Was the idea to get custody and abort the baby so he can get the U-cord?

@marianabobadilla1872

Ай бұрын

@@ursaltydog but gaining custody of the child doesn't allow him to access the baby's cord before birth? let alone force birth/force abortion?

@story3877

Ай бұрын

@@boredlawyer3382 now here's another question: you get custody of the child. But do you get the cord too? That cord is half the property of the mother. And if the mother is under a POA with her parents as she is no longer competent to care for herself, then it becomes the parent's choice. An umbilical cord is what connects the child to the mother so it could be argued that it is shared property. Also do babies even have rights over property? Or is an umbilical cord even property? This gets very weird very fast. lol!

The title makes me sad because doing something against someone will is just sad

@CerberusRhyno

Ай бұрын

No doubt

@mikebasil4832

Ай бұрын

This is indeed one of the most haunting Law & Order: SVU episodes. 💔

@edimorguello2969

Ай бұрын

yes it is :(

@yanina.korolko

Ай бұрын

Though you are correct, the comatose female had no will - there is a huge difference!

@higar-ow4wb

Ай бұрын

Womp womp, they should fought back

So sad women aren't treated with dignity even when so vulnerable in a coma. They wouldn't even dream to do the same thing to a man violating his rights, but they'll violate a woman's rights.

@nesenda

29 күн бұрын

try again. it happens even to dead men. stimulating the prostate to collect the "sample" for artificial insemination.

@xxoxEVAxoxx

26 күн бұрын

@@nesendaThere’s a reason women are preferred as morticians. We’re not even safe after life. Yes it happens to men but not nearly as often and even in those cases the perpetrators are almost always men.

This episode is so relevant in today’s current world But oh boy SVU knows how to make a great episode

@sergeantbean4762

21 күн бұрын

90% of law and order episodes are based off real life cases

Stem cells can be obtained by methods other than aborted fetuses. My heart goes out to anyone with Parkinson's, but the foundation of this man's wishful thinking is seriously flawed, needless to say immoral and unethical.

@MNcit

Ай бұрын

Yes, but the abortion is quicker than waiting for the cord.

@hollybrooke322

28 күн бұрын

@@MNcitwow. That’s some messed up thinking. Abortion is no quicker than getting stems cells from all the babies being born that same day and no one had to murder anyone to do it.

@MNcit

28 күн бұрын

@@hollybrooke322 I mean, he was impregnating comatose women without consent; I think the line to messed up thinking was already crossed. I was pointing out _his_ likely thought process. Along those same lines, I believe he needed stem cells that were partly genetically his.

@Lily_of_the_Forest

27 күн бұрын

So many babies are born everyday. There would be lots of cord stem cells to use.

@GrumpasaurusBex

26 күн бұрын

This is true, but most hospitals just dispose of the cord afterwards. Apparently if a mother/ birth giver/ family want to donate it, they have to actively ask. Statistically around 97% of cords are destroyed by medical staff.

As far as the custody, the obvious compromise is Langley gets the umbilical cord, the grandparents get the baby. That's all each wants anyway.

@hydrangeas_lover

Ай бұрын

​@@feleciawright9316good point

@dietotaku

Ай бұрын

​ @feleciawright9316 sounds like the jist of it is he couldn't ask a consenting woman to be inseminated knowing it will be terminated. the ridiculous part is that if he needs stem cells that are a perfect genetic match, ONLY his OWN stem cells will do. getting half your DNA from one parent doesn't mean half your cells are an exact copy of your parent's cells, it means ALL of your cells are only a half-match to each parent. so that umbilical cord is useless to him, along with the fetuses themselves.

It's too bad they didnt really talk about the effects a pregnancy would have when someone is in a coma. It's not just the woman but the fetus aswell. In fact, it's very likely the fetus wouldnt make it to term. It's strange everyone just assumes the pregnancy will have no effect on her and that the baby will be born normally. Realistically that isn't the case. There are many complications and I'll effects to both parties that should be discussed. The mother was acting like it was a normal situation

@nessyness5447

29 күн бұрын

They also don't consider how traumatic it would be for her if she wakes up and finds out about all that, plus her mother expecting her to love her child.

@finnsnow2495

29 күн бұрын

@@nessyness5447 Well I'm Preet sure she'll never awake and never if she didn't the brain damage would be so severe she probably couldn't comprehend the situation. Not saying that would be certain but in the already unlikely even she did wake up then it'd be very likely she'd be super brain damaged and unable to comprehend most things. But, I understand your point. Nobody considers the woman or what she would want. They should be considering what their daughter would want to do in that situation but again this idea of a baby seems ridiculous because in reality that baby is not making it to term and even if it does the chances of it not suffering some serious effects are low. Not to mention her, but I think in these cases the grandparents dont care if she dies because in their mind the baby would be her to them. It'd be like another chance at raising their daughter. Because honestly they dont care about the baby either it's the idea of it being a part of their daughter living on...that the baby essentially replaces their daughter. When I say they I mean the mother and that is what she'd do because the episode makes it clear she just hasn't accepted her daughter is gone. Recently a woman came out of years long coma it was nearly 10 ten years. Her mother kept her on life support in the slim hope she'd wake up. She did but was brain damaged she needs care for life and can not comprehend most things. The mother did it for her selfish desire to hold her daughter and look after her. The mother doesnt mind but she fails to think of the daughters life after she dies, the woman will be put into a facility with nobody who sees her because the mother was a single mother and by the time she dies nobody will be left to look after and visit her brain damaged daughter. It's really sad but people need to seriously consider the wants and wishes of the person in the coma. They need to look past their own desires and realistically see the cost vs. benefit if that loved one ever woke up. Quality of life is important to consider and I'm not saying brain damaged people cant have quality of life but is that what the person would want? I know almost everyone around me would rather be dead than be put in some facility or home if they woke up brian dead. It's not everyone's opinion but I think a vast majority of people would side with that.

everytime I hear someone say "It's for the greater good" I instantly dislike the person and have a bad feeling.

@TheThursty100

12 күн бұрын

The greater good Stop that!

@ruthrichardson9717

11 күн бұрын

“The road to hell is paved with the good intentions”

6:09 The man in the background was just sitting but he serves🫦

@marianabobadilla1872

Ай бұрын

Also the camera focuses too hard on him

@doctorposting

Ай бұрын

@@marianabobadilla1872😂😂

@anaisanais4626

27 күн бұрын

😅😂

@anaisanais4626

27 күн бұрын

Which one though, there's 2 gentlemen

"This is different" Not it isn't, the parents just wish it was.

Plus this is another example of vulnerable women being used as science experiments

Well what do you know, I just finished watching this episode yesterday and now I see this upload! What a coincidence...was my first time watching too

The brothers Grimm wrote a story called "sleeping beauty"… no, not the Disney version😂

@natashajagadhish1887

Ай бұрын

Ya,poor Briar Rose woke up from that sleep and found herself pregnant;I believe with twin boys.

@yanina.korolko

Ай бұрын

@@natashajagadhish1887 I used a certain word which starts with a P for the male eggplant... and the word of four letters that starts with an R... and my reply to you was promptly erased!!! Briar Rose … The name was used in several gruesome fairytales. Very male chauvinistic indeed.

@l.c.8475

12 күн бұрын

In the Grimm version "Dornröschen" the rose bushes kept everyone out for 100 years, people died in the rose bushes trying to get to the castle but no one got to her until the 100 years were up, the prince walked right up to the castle, the roses parted for him with flowers instead of thorns, he kissed her and she and the entire castle woke up and resumed as if nothing had happened, she marries the prince. In an earlier french version of the tale she knew and loved the father of her child, he was sent away to prove himself when she fell into her slumber from a magic piece of flax, he came back, found her sleeping, raped her, left a ring, she gave birth, the child sucked out the flax from her finger causing her to wake up, she recognised the ring, found him and married him. The 2 stories don't have a lot in common, the fact that she falls into a magical sleep and the fact that this is caused by her spinning although the brothers Grimm and whoever brought them the story seemed to have had a really poor understanding of spinning and spindles, the old french version has her get a splinter from the fibre, while the Grimm version has her poking herself on a blunt object.

@yanina.korolko

12 күн бұрын

@@l.c.8475 oh dear, that is a much later version of the true grim fairytale

@l.c.8475

11 күн бұрын

@@yanina.korolko the 17th century italian version where she gets woken up by the twins she gave birth to after being impregnated by a stanger comes between the story from the 14th century where she knew the father and the 19th century brothers Grimm version where the rose bushes protected her. The 17th century version is the oldest version the Grimm brothers could find at the time and they were insired by the auther to create their own fairytale collection, but the story goes back further and it wasn't always as dark as the 17th century version.

Is it wrong that I think that the doctor is a depraved monster!?

@michaelcollins2030

Ай бұрын

No

Realistically, would a judge really grant him custody over the grandparents?

@maiqtheliar789

Ай бұрын

Realistically. Money talks, bullshit walks. He can afford the best team of lawyers money can buy. So yes he stands a damned good chance.

@GreatBigRanz

Ай бұрын

@@maiqtheliar789 Just look at OJ Simpsons. Police and a small number of news people in LA knew he was a Wife Beater. When Nicole and Ron where murder OJ was the Sole suspect despite it being announced that he wasn't one. He assembled his dream team, coupled with both Racial Tension, the Rodney King Vertic, and a completely bungled investigation, Kokorin made up a terrific line of bullshit and a Black Man got a White Man's Justice.

@saintjuice11

Ай бұрын

If they’re Republican

@nessyness5447

29 күн бұрын

I mean have you seen the actual situation in some states? R*pist are literally being allowed to apply for custody and visitation rights. Even when the victim is underage.

@haleighboese9276

11 күн бұрын

That's a complicated question. On one hand, he is technically the biological father and has the resources to care for a child. On the other hand, he also has a debilitating disease and is unable to care for himself, shows no actual regard for the child, and impregnated the mother against her will. The grandparents are stable, loving figures that have the kid's best interests at heart in addition to the resources to provide for the child, plus the kid will have two parental figures instead of one. The judge will have to weigh the factors against each other. I doubt he'd win full custody, but he probably would be granted parental rights.

Thank you kindly for informing me about the Nightingale Oath. My mother is a nurse and I didn’t know there was a different oath. So thank you again for giving me the heads up on the cool information. Have a beautiful day!

yooo my mom can binge watch the sht out of SVU but I cant! it's crazy wild sht like THIS episode that makes me lose sleep 😭😭😭

These men were sick.

Who wants Stabler back on SVU than Organized Crime?

@hoshimaruhajime7933

Ай бұрын

I do

@RhaegarTargaryen1st

Ай бұрын

So much time has passed and there's been so many changes. I don't know where Stabler would even fit.

@LadyRockville

Ай бұрын

No his time is up. Still a Detective who can’t control his temper but now he’s bald

Bruce Davison is a great actor. I really liked his character Stan Lathem on The Triangle mini-series.

3:04 dude went from making dinosaurs working for the people from one order😂😂😂😂😂

Menstrual blood has better stem cells, apparently

This is one of the reasons why I have a living will

They should have asked for a copy of the signed consent form. That is completely allowed.

I hate how the cops can't do anything to stop the wealth classes for doing what ever they want.

Whilst I fully disagree with the doctors actions, I do understand the thinking behind it. For medical advancements, there always has to be a guinea pig to be tested on. This is where consent is important. I would 100% donate my body to science if it meant that it could help someone else in the future.

I think the parents should have a say in their own child’s medical opinion and decisions they can’t make it on their own, right. I love Olivia‘s sparkling wit. ❤ Plus, Chandra Wilson first appearance on the show SVU her last appearance was in episode 911 on the same show SVU❤

Biology doesn't always win. The big lawyers and money might, but the fact that the "father" and Dr conspired to impregnate the mother unwillingly, a good judge would find him unfit.

So sad but they’re no surprise to what research n being rich can do

"Abortion goes against everything we believe in" "This is different, this is our child" Because of course it is. 1 rule for me another rule for thee

@thegeneralpopulace8513

26 күн бұрын

Yup. There's even an old blog post that touches on this if you haven't already read it,it's called The Only Moral Abortion Is My Abortion (or My Daughter's Abortion Is The Only Moral Abortion, in this case) . It's about the stories of abortion clinic workers who have had to perform abortions on the same anti-abortion people who spend all day before and after the procedure outside the clinic calling them baby murderers who are going to Hell. One dr even refused to treat a woman who usually protested at her clinic because, as she pointed out,why would she help someone who thought she was a murderer?

To hear him try to justify it is appalling. To be so deranged that you openly act like it's perfectly fine and acceptable. No shame. No regret. Wow. And Bruce was great in the role.

“An abortion goes against everything we believe in…” “Yeah, but this is OUR daughter…” Always the same thing with these prolifers. An abortion is a sin and a crime until it’s their family who gets an unwanted pregnancy to face. A baby they can’t afford or don’t want. There’s a moral exception to be made when it’s their family.

@higar-ow4wb

Ай бұрын

Abortion isn't a sin, babies are trash

@barbarahollands6415

Ай бұрын

It's a freaking tv show! It makes good drama. You have no idea what people do in real life.

@isabelbard853

Ай бұрын

In that case, you have to make the hard choice to stick to your values. And adoption is always an option.

@suzannerust8658

Ай бұрын

It's called hypocrisy, they're anti abortion UNTIL it's them or any of their family members who are pregnant

@higar-ow4wb

Ай бұрын

Womp womp babies are trash

I love this episode cuz of the moral Battles Sacrifice one to save a million even if it’s against her will? Or save one person and leave the others to suffer

A person has a car crash year before, be coma for 12 months before transfer to hospital🏥 to other hospital twist number three

bear.

Very well written episode

He’s a terrible person for what he’s doing, but it is actually dangerous to have a person in a coma carry children to term. A lot of times, an injury put them under, and carrying a child is basically like reverse jaws of lifing it. It could kill them or guarantee they never wake up.

Make a channel like this for criminal minds CSI or Motive

The doctor's a Bene Tleilax, turning women into Axlotl tanks - gotta love a good Dune villain. On a serious note, the line "She barely had a pulse" was shock inducing... how does he not see that's worse? Oh right, that's what happens when a god complex meets "the greater good".

Please tell me this is not how this episode ends

"She barely had a pulse" Is he serious?

They have multiple grounds to take him back to court. Nobody, regardless of wealth or paternity, has ownership over another person, let alone has the authority to sexually violate them for any reason.

Hire volunteers. Don't victimize defenseless people.

The description says 7 weeks and doctors say 6

The doctor's whole case wouldn't hold water at the ethics board, regardless of legalities. You CANNOT progress science when the test subjects cannot benefit and FULL consent is always required. Even if the doc didn't see jail time, he'd never work in medicine in the USA again.

Can anyone tell me if the pregnancy went to term and who received custody?

He has all the money in the world he can pay to house the stem cells instead of taking custody from the family.

So...did he get custody?

Spoilers please!

"I'm willing to be the guinea pig."- just such a powerful line!

@JLee-rt6ve

Ай бұрын

Well, he's partly there. He's a pig.

I kind of also feel sorry for those unborn babies here. Used as lab rats so this old man could survive.

@LLandS18

13 күн бұрын

Not to mention this is a complete perversion of the science. They can get stem cells from him. They don't need to create an entire life to get stem cells. This is just stupid. This is the worst pseudoscience. Mind you, what could you expect from a show Who thinks the hymen shows people are a virgin?

For me that final was a little terrofic

"That THING...is our grandchild." That's a woman w/ unconditional love right there.

All he had to do was outsource this experiment to Asia, there are plenty of poor women and predatory hospitals to do that for him.

‘The needs of many outweigh the needs of the few.’

@feleciawright9316

Ай бұрын

Spock killed himself to make that sacrifice. The female doctor was not willing to use her own uterus for the all important experiment. The rich guy and the male doctor would not as their kids friends or loved ones to do it but they were all willing to sneakily assault Cima victims. No. It is just wrong. You can kill yourself for the greater good but if you kill someone else that is murder.

Her "questioning" of Langley is improper. It's nothing but moral arguments. Defense counsel should have objected.

I mean they could’ve opened an abortion clinic too just saying. He also could’ve gotten a surrogate to atleast get the cord out of it

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Both doctors & the elderly father should've been arrested for raping 2 comatose women & the elder sperm donor shouldn't be held custody of the child if he has parkinson's disease if you looked at Michael j fox condition you'd see what I mean about a chronic disease that he can't look after himself let alone a child who needs 24/7 hour watch & feeding

How I love being a woman😊

“She barely had a pulse” I think I dated someone like her in high school... 😁

I’m confused. Did the parents sign paperwork? If so, ok. If the paperwork was obtuse, did the doctor explain his intentions? If so…that’s on the parents.

@anniekinsmishkamouse7575

Ай бұрын

The doctor went only to the father knowing he could convince him to sign off.

@Ashbrash1998

Ай бұрын

He never explained the point of "experimental" is that he didn't explain to them what it included. Even so you can't forcibly impregnate and then abort a patient repeatedly for experiments. Now getting the dad to sign off is legal since he did give permission to terminate.

@shirabe64

Ай бұрын

Normally experimental procedures involve letting students learn to do certain things, controversially pelvic exams. But usually they inform whoever is involved before or after. His plan to get her pregnant and abort it secretly hit a snag because the parents would have a say in the outcome of a pregnancy since it’s their daughter, so doctor tried to rush consent for termination since he got found out. It’s lying by omission and coercion.

@anniekinsmishkamouse7575

Ай бұрын

@@Ashbrash1998 I know it is good writing, but it is ironic the doctors wanted to terminate asap as the pregnancy was a serious health risk. And now are on board with her having the child to get the cord blood. Talk about having it both ways.

@angelicahill3456

Ай бұрын

The paperwork people sign for comatose patients sometimes includes pre-authorization for experimental procedures done with the intent of treating the patient. The harvesting of organs, tissues, or blood from a comatose patient for the purpose of conducting an experiment on a completely different patient don't fall under those guidelines.

Biology wins against grapists under the lies of the law… especially with lots of money

Spiloder? . . . . . What would have happened to the babies if those men had won to keep the child?

I’m currently watching my father suffer as he dies from Parkinson’s. This is disgusting. You would have no problem finding agreeable women these days if you advertised. There is a significant part of the population that doesn’t value life in the womb so they would jump at the opportunity to make some cash off of their poor choices.

@feuilletoniste

28 күн бұрын

You sounded so reasonable right up until you blamed women’s “poor choices” for unwanted or unsustainable pregnancies.

This is like a double edged sword in my opinion, morally wrong but also could result in helping others

@judaihyuga

Ай бұрын

And there are women who would have willingly signed up for it because some people genuinely believe in stem cell research. I'm as much of a believer in scientific advancement as the next guy, *especially* when it comes to medicine, but there was a better, completely legal way to go about this that they chose not to use for stupid reasons. Even filing for custody is asinine, considering all he wants is the u-cord, and he could easily cut a deal for it in exchange for giving the grandparents the kid and maybe a trust fund.

@feleciawright9316

Ай бұрын

No it is just wrong. If it was so important the female doctor would have carried the babies. This work could never be published there for could not be used. He could have paid a women he intentionally picked vulnerable people. This is the same thinking that leads to organ harvesting from the poor, prisoners and neuro divergent. It is wrong full stop.

@hydrangeas_lover

Ай бұрын

​@@judaihyugawell said.

@elenachristian9860

Ай бұрын

No. Using people's bodies without their consent is slavery. It is never right.

@madarawijerathne276

28 күн бұрын

No

Arthur weasly

7:01 but sod the babies murdered tho... typical stereotyping

I have never seen this show but the characters here annoy me SO MUCH. Everyone has to repeat themselves like 10 times before anyone actually listens. Everyone sounds like they are *this* close to punching someone in the face. Everyone acts like everyone else is dumb for not knowing things beforehand. It is so infuriating

3:33 and they ask why Roe v. Wade was overturned...

So just give him the umbilical cord who cares

Good job, Alex. She always annoyed me and I was disappointed her unalivement was not real.

Davis Langley was not just rich, he was also smart in every way. I would also say, altruistic. Perhaps his altruism was motivated by his own condition, but nevertheless he was right that the research from his case could help people in the future. I would never proffer that killing or torturing another person is justified for "the sake of science" like the Nazis did in WWII, and the U.S. in the syphilis experiments on poor blacks, but in this case, the surrogate mothers were brain dead (not brain stem dead) and did not suffer and were not significantly endangered by the experiments.

@OneGaurdian

Ай бұрын

He could've found a surrogate who shared the same determination as him. It doesn't matter if she was brain dead, they still had no right to use her like this, and behind the parents' back no less.

@judgedayan9934

Ай бұрын

@@OneGaurdian The parents signed off that in her state she could be used for medical research

@charbird20

16 күн бұрын

What they should have done is found a willing, consenting surrogate

Cbd bro... weed is literally doing this for many.. 🫠