A judge saying the words "the wrath of our holy god" in an opinion is a massive problem. Religion has absolutely no place in a courtroom when it comes to making judgements.

@briez9648

4 ай бұрын

Period.

@lorypicheca2351

4 ай бұрын

It’s a theocracy not freedom of religion.

@DMCM84

4 ай бұрын

In Court don’t they make people put their hand on the bible and the other goes up in the air and they make the person say “do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?” There’s always been overlap

@briez9648

4 ай бұрын

@@DMCM84 you can do it on the Quran too.

@DMCM84

4 ай бұрын

@@briez9648 - my point is that there has always been a bit of religion in courtrooms

I think something should be paid to the family who is losing their potential child, but I think being tried for wrongful death is ridiculous.

@Tortilla.Reform

4 ай бұрын

Ridiculous is how conservatives operate. Charging a woman for having a miscarriage

@testaccount01336

4 ай бұрын

Yup destruction of property.

@dianem7677

4 ай бұрын

...no, nobody is losing a potential child. If a woman body is not able to have a child and when scientists and doctors are doing whatever they can to help that woman to have a child, that woman can only have a hope that all will go well.

@dianem7677

4 ай бұрын

@@testaccount01336 ...hahaha....in America everythign is property....

@brandonnash4455

4 ай бұрын

Out of control

So if there's an electrical shortage on one of these banks with frozen embryos or the fridge breaks down is someone culpable of mass murder?

@snsn7251

4 ай бұрын

Great point but I guess they have generators.

@juliebaird4539

4 ай бұрын

Having worked in the field for 16 years, there are backup generators, upon backup generators, upon backup generators. Numerous backup systems.

@jarhead7602

4 ай бұрын

If you have to ask such a dumb question, your egg should have been broken.

@judymyers9867

4 ай бұрын

I think if it’s a electrical shortage or some natural thing no one is nature is responsible

@TheCoastalElitist

4 ай бұрын

That’s what Alyssa would want in her ideal world

Sunny legit says "If every single embryo BECAME a child." Meaning it isn't a child yet.

@Here4Democracy

4 ай бұрын

I CAUGHT THAT TOO.

@Carousel5883

4 ай бұрын

It has potential to be a child.so much of outrage and legislation on the unborn but nothing done on the living walking talking breathing studying students who were murdered..just thoughts and prayers

@glindagoodwitchofnorthview8287

4 ай бұрын

It’s human

@jenntip

4 ай бұрын

An embryo is a human in a stage of development. Biologists from 1,058 academic institutions around the world assessed survey items on when a human's life begins and, overall, 96% (5337 out of 5577) affirmed the fertilization view. Life begins at conception.

@kevo151

4 ай бұрын

SONNY IS GOOFY. SHE ONLY BELIEVES THIS BECAUSE OF RELIGION THIS IS WHY I HATE RELIGION..

Sara is making the point that if you have eggs, sugar, flour and butter separately do you have a cake?

@sattasana7753

4 ай бұрын

But in this case, it’s not separate. It’s mixed just not baked. I really do think people should be punished and fines paid but charging for death is mmmmh a stretch 😊

@Drualeaf

4 ай бұрын

NOPE. You definitely don’t have a cake you just have ingredients..

@mackjrbell7828

4 ай бұрын

@sattasana7753 You still wouldn't eat a bowl of dough with a candle in it though. Just saying.

@JohnBrown-ff6ez

4 ай бұрын

*EXMUTHERFUCKINGACTLY*

@missmytime

4 ай бұрын

And Sunny is making the point that it is impossible to divorce a cake from its ingredients. Take away the ingredients, you take away the cake.

I wish they had more time for these segments

@Kameaux

4 ай бұрын

Yes, this is the most fascinating topic they’ve discussed in a long time.

@w.murray9380

4 ай бұрын

@@Kameaux hens clucking

@sheldoncole1151

4 ай бұрын

​@@Kameaux yeah it was I wanted to hear more from them.

Again we should not be messing around or bringing the court into people's family business: IVF or abortion.

@SleepyArcticBirds-ft4lb

4 ай бұрын

I absolutely agree‼️‼️‼️

@Lerian_V

4 ай бұрын

or father-daughter incest (molestation).

@thekentuckyan8088

4 ай бұрын

Because if they give embryos human rights, abortion will be outlawed in all 50 states

@Kameaux

4 ай бұрын

Civil court, yes. Criminal, no.

@Carousel5883

4 ай бұрын

@@Kameaux yes.

This is one of the rare cases I disagree with Sunny. That embryo is not the UNBORN...... it is the UNFORMED.

@istanbuloski

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. Is a seed a tree? Is a fertilized egg a chick? Is a block on a lawn a house? The potential of something does not equal that something.

@jthomasmack

4 ай бұрын

And by that logic, are sperm the "unborn" too? Bc sperm are living and can die. So if that's true to them, I'm a serial killer

@Tortilla.Reform

4 ай бұрын

I wonder if Sunny goes out to her chicken coop, picks up an egg, and thinks “I’m holding an omelette in my hand, yum yum”

@Supersauce88

4 ай бұрын

@@istanbuloskibut it would have been if not for the neglect and if we look at the science life begins at conception. Bill Burr had the most logical take on this.

@SRH183

4 ай бұрын

Biologists disagree with you. This is from a study out of Chicago University from 2018. "A sample of 5,502 biologists from 1,058 academic institutions assessed statements representing the biological view ‘a human’s life begins at fertilization’." "Overall, 95% of all biologists affirmed the biological view that a human's life begins at fertilization (5212 out of 5502)."

Ah Alabama. Last in Education, life expectancy, household income, per capita income… But first in teen pregnancy, in fact mortality, maternal mortality, poverty, and obesity!

@ashleybarber4086

4 ай бұрын

@Leonaza7 I lived in Alabama for five years and it in fact is exactly what you say it is. My mother is also from Alabama and she got all these points. It's no joke.

@highlymedicated2438

4 ай бұрын

Alabama makes Mississippi look like Manhattan. But on a serious note there is a shitload of Democrats that think in embryo is the first stage of life .. so this just isn't a one-state thing. You have plenty of people in your state that think the same thing

@kenchambers7137

4 ай бұрын

My comments lady , where you been

@highlymedicated2438

4 ай бұрын

As a black woman Im glad you are voting for Biden. Its about time blacks realize what the democrats have done for yall

@sycamore-tree540

4 ай бұрын

@@kenchambers7137fr she’s an icon! Haha

Lacy Peterson was over 8 months pregnant and that fetus could have lived outside the womb. That's a far cry from an embryo that could NEVER live ......an embryo is not a child.

@treyatl2006

4 ай бұрын

But that precedent is also used in cases of pregnancies less than 8 months.

@jessicam7398

4 ай бұрын

@@treyatl2006an embryo is not a pregnancy

@treyatl2006

4 ай бұрын

@@jessicam7398 that’s besides the point. The argument is if an embryo dies inside of the mother from abuse etc and it’s considered to be wrongful death or Homicide then one may argue the same could be applied for a frozen embryos. I’m not saying I agree with that notion. I’m just saying that it’s an argument that should be examined. What distinguishes the two besides the fact that one is inside the womb and the other is not??

@cloroxbleach8986

4 ай бұрын

@@treyatl2006the stage of development they are at. These embryos don’t even have the cells that form organs. A blastocyst is not a fetus.

@louisadway1856

4 ай бұрын

​​@@treyatl2006 in these other cases your talking about, how far along were the pregnancies? Were they before or after the timeframe for viability?

Thank you Sara. An embryo is not an unborn child.

@Matt-nv8je

4 ай бұрын

It is in Alabama!

@rileyrourke7442

4 ай бұрын

@@Matt-nv8je lmao I read your comment in the thickest country accent I could do

@dainguy2136

4 ай бұрын

Of course it is

@rileyrourke7442

4 ай бұрын

@@dainguy2136 good argument,

@ryanbianchi3118

4 ай бұрын

What is it? A dog? A carrot? It’s clearly life, so what type of life is it? So weird that the entire pro-choice argument hinges on denying the obvious truth that human life begins at conception.

I'm confused Catholics… wouldn't you think God didn't want you to have children if you couldn't get pregnant? But you can play scientist if things don't go your way?

@SupportTheArts-yo8ox

4 ай бұрын

Conservative Catholics are annoying, for the most part.

@kendallbedford2523

4 ай бұрын

That's the hypocrisy I don't understand

@amyreynolds3619

4 ай бұрын

I went through IVF twice. The second attempt worked and now I have a 22 year old. No one ,including you, should tell me that I can't have a child if I have to go through IVF or anything else to have a child. It's no one's business but mine. LOL. The things you holier than types believe. Mind your own business.

@viniciuslima9430

4 ай бұрын

@@amyreynolds3619In my humble opinion what op was trying to say is: Why is the knowledge for IVF right but abortion is wrong?

@solStarlette

4 ай бұрын

Why do people think THEIR interpretation of faith or God is what someone else thinks? It's not. Not only that but there are plenty of scientists, doctors, and etc who are in fact Christian. So the pretense that science and religion are opposed is laughable.

As a woman that is considering the option for IVF right now, yes I agree if a lab destroys the embryos without my consent and without option for me to use the embyros , I'd sue for damages. But, if a technician in that lab accidently ruined the embryos viability through preparation of implantation, slips and falls or if the lab suffered a power shortage, or was in a location that would suffer a natural disaster resulting in the clinic being destroyed or even if the embryo failed during implantation , which happens more commonly than not ( and is a potential outcome advised during consultation) No way! Condeming the doctors and technicians for unforseen circumstances out of their control, that may have me lose a once viable embryo , and then to equivocate it to manslaughter, absolutely not. This madness is all because of the unreasonable and impassioned zealots overturning Roe V Wade. They've completely muddied our ability for critical and rational thinking.

@Birdsong-Annalee

4 ай бұрын

This!!

@phantomzxro1

4 ай бұрын

Additionally, many doctors or medical facilities in these states may choose to cease offering IVF support out of fear of being charged with the death of a minor. This would be a loss for anyone seeking IVF care.

@tothelighthouse9843

4 ай бұрын

It's the equivalent of charging the mother with murder because the doctors inserted 5 viable embryos in her womb but she only gave birth to 2 children. So did mom murder the 3 other 'children' in her womb, then? According to these religious fanatics, yes.

@ellier6942

4 ай бұрын

Please please make peace with the situation you have been given. You are not able to conceive and that is OK! There are millions of children in foster care who would love to be your child.

The government needs to get out of our uteruses. It’s personal. It’s private. It’s confidential. The end.

I'm actually with Sara on this one. Miracle of life ideas and scientific intervention don't line up in these sorts of discussions.

@samanthawood7133

4 ай бұрын

If it were only up to science then all IVF procedures would be successful

@solStarlette

4 ай бұрын

That's only if you have a narrow view on what a miracle is.

@Tortilla.Reform

4 ай бұрын

@@samanthawood7133…..What? That’s very silly

@SRH183

4 ай бұрын

@@samanthawood7133 Science is why IVF is a thing in the first place. Its not natural.

@Michaelneiss

4 ай бұрын

@@samanthawood7133 What a childish way of reasoning ... next time, you will probably try to convince us that people do not die of cancer or heart failure but due to the lack of divine intervention. 🤦‍♂

Sunny said that the embryos (in her belief) are children BUT then said that a 'human embryo is going to attach in your uterine lining and BECOME A CHILD''...... which is it????

@Nash0303

4 ай бұрын

She's talking rubbish

@ZackJRich

4 ай бұрын

Human embryo is HUMAN. That's what science says. You can tell human embryo apart from an embryo of another species. It's not a clump of cells. It's HUMAN and alive. Anyone who says otherwise is an uneducated anti-science idiot.

@lolacookie453

4 ай бұрын

She’s gone full Magatard, ignore her!

@CCI320

4 ай бұрын

a child is not an adult, therefore children aren't human, that's the logic you're using. The embryonic stage is a stage of HUMAN development, no different than the infant or child or adolescent stage.

@ZackJRich

4 ай бұрын

Here are some scientific facts: Embryos are ALIVE organisms. Human embryos are HUMANS, part of the same species at the different stage of development. Therefore, Pro-Life movement is against common IVF practices such as freezing and destroying human embryos, a.k.a. human life. That doesn't mean that IVF can't be done in a pro-life way. That's why there should be regulations regarding IVF that protect human life. It is mind-boggling that not a single media person is inteligent enough to tell those two apart.

Frozen embryos confuse me 😢. Should we call them frozen children now? Who gets them during a divorce? Can they be adopted? Kidnapped? Gifted? Named? What a crazy world! Very thought provoking and emotional.

@sycamore-tree540

4 ай бұрын

Great questions. Should I be able to claim my frozen embryos as dependents and get child tax credits? They really did not think this through

@kathydurow6814

4 ай бұрын

Do you have to relinquish them under Foundling laws if you can't afford to pay for keeping them frozen for ever? And how is this done?

@lexyfox9598

4 ай бұрын

i think this happened to hispanic actress. she had breast cancer so before she went through chemo she had frozen embryos. later on she divorce and got remarried. but since she got chemo she couldnt had kids. so she asked her exhusband for permission to use the frozen embryos n he said yes.

I went through IVF and can not imagine going through what I went through, then being told that opportunity has been taken away from me. However, I don't think that nurse went out to destroy my embryo so I would not call it murder but I would go for negligence...

@heideleskun1163

4 ай бұрын

They said it was a patient that dropped it, so that confuses me if it was a staff member or patient and where it was. Honestly this is the first I'm hearing of it. I'm sorry the struggle was hard for you. My parents couldn't have children but back in the 60's their only option was adoption and that was a nightmare all on it's own. It's even worse now.

@Carousel5883

4 ай бұрын

I'm a OBGYN and is really hard to see woman going through miscarriage especially at 2nd trimester and after IVF and late 40s..it really s the only thing couples who desperately want children think about..it really takes a toll as individuals,couple , physically,emotionally,mentally , financially..I can't imagine if this was the last embryo and last chance and then taken like that.but it is negligent not murder or even involuntary manslaughter.i have told couples to adopt but they have to be in that mindset and get ready to give up that dream child..A lot of them can't or not willing.its very tough decision

@ZackJRich

4 ай бұрын

Human embryo is HUMAN. That's what science says. You can tell human embryo apart from an embryo of another species. It's not a clump of cells. It's HUMAN and alive. Anyone who says otherwise is an uneducated anti-science idiot.

@debracrockett5386

4 ай бұрын

It's probably traumatic for the nurse. It was an accident.

@ellier6942

4 ай бұрын

Imagine not having enough wealth to do what you did. It was a privilege for you to have access to this treatment. Nobody, including you, is entitled to it. I also feel sad that denied an orphan a home just so you could forcibly create an entire human being so they would have your DNA. That is the self-centered, narcissistic behavior of someone who isn’t ready to be a parent.

Alabama Supreme Court is so ludicrous in that ruling.

Embryos are not people. The US government (yes, even the ones who try to claim it is) says so. It’s not in the census, it’s not taxed as a person. People say, “I have one kid with one on th way,” not “two kids.” You can’t have it both ways.

@ryanbianchi3118

4 ай бұрын

What a terrible argument. The United States law is not the sole arbitrator of truth. At one time, it said that Africans in this country were not people. Human life begins at conception. There is no other rationale benchmark that life would begin at. A person is not given personhood because it is included in the census (once again, Africans were at one time not included in the census. Thousands of immigrants do not get counted in the census every decade). Whether a person is taxed is not an indicator of his or her personhood. My 7 year old nephew does not pay taxes. I promise you, he is a human being worthy of the right to life. Lastly, saying “I have one kid and one of the way” literally infers that the “other on the way” is also a “kid.” That’s why people say “another.” There is not a single compelling argument that unborn human beings aren’t human beings. Ridiculous reasoning. Thanks for highlighting it.

@pork8829

4 ай бұрын

I'm not sure you'd like that precedent to be the law of the land bc if embryos are not people, it could be argued that battery of a woman that results in the death of the embryo should be charged as no more than assault/battery on the woman Full Stop. Bc the "woman" is not a mother, the embryo is not a person, it has no value, but I guess since it is "part of the woman" (not a separate & unique living being) it would be seen as equivalent to her hair, nails, etc. Therefore, at best she could maybe sue for emotional damages (sentimental value) but you could argue that just like her hair/nails, she can grow a replacement embryo that won't be any different than one she lost due to the assault.

@LucienWhite-fb5qk

4 ай бұрын

@@ryanbianchi3118 it's actually a great argument. the US functions based on Capitalism a system that revolves entirely round OWNING CAPITAL. If an unborn baby or frozen embryo counted as a child according to that system you would HAVE to claim it on your paperwork or be thrown in jail for 'tax evasion' if you didn't. It would be considered a crime. 'Truth' doesn't rule America - Capitalism does. Try claiming 'Truth' on your taxes and tell me how that goes for you, have a great day.

@TheWasif

4 ай бұрын

@@ryanbianchi3118 imagine taking the time you did to try to refute an argument with the same flawed, backwards argument, that the argument refutes in the first place. Ooof. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@TheWasif

4 ай бұрын

@@pork8829 good point. There are exceptions, but based on such issues as you bring up. The hypocrisy lies mainly from those who fluctuate their views on it based on narrative and need.

We did IVF. In our view, an embryo is the dough. Not baked yet. Not alive. Not even attached to the mom.

@pc4mlc451

4 ай бұрын

Things that aren't alive can't grow and develop into complex organisms, so you're dead wrong.

@bunnynooryani7020

4 ай бұрын

I agree. Also did IVF several times without success. It was the potential for life, not life.

@Mikathedog100

4 ай бұрын

​@@pc4mlc451well, if that's your point we best be banning periods and masturbation

@pc4mlc451

4 ай бұрын

@@Mikathedog100 Sperm and eggs can't become anything by themselves. They're not alive.

@KollerKrew

4 ай бұрын

@@pc4mlc451a seed isn’t a tree

Is an embryo a Human? Is an acorn an oak tree? No. Just because something could *turn into* something else, doesn’t mean it is that thing yet…

It is insane that in 2024 we still discuss this... Abortions should be legal, safe and free for those who need it. Same with sex education to prevent some unwanted pregnancies. And in this particular case, equating a small group of cells to a "minor" is to be out of your mind, just nuts

These conversations both make me incredibly sad and laugh out loud. While these folks wring their hands over embryos and goo in petri dishes, but couldn't care less about the MILLIONS of children who are neglected, abused, and unwanted.

An embryo is not a child. How stupid.

@oracle478

4 ай бұрын

Exactly, because if a man masterbates and it's not going inside a woman then technically he's killing babies going by that insane logic, and you'd be hard pressed to get men to not masturbate.

@kendallbedford2523

4 ай бұрын

I agree there. It's potential life is what I call it.

@MsMak03

4 ай бұрын

I didn’t do bio in school, why isn’t it a child if children come from embryos?

@istanbuloski

4 ай бұрын

@@MsMak03you just said it yourself, children come from embryos, not children come from children.

@abby4027

4 ай бұрын

A child just means someone’s kid soo yes it is by definition

So when their ancient power grid inevitably breaks down AGAIN during this year’s hurricane season, can we toss the power company board of directors in prison for neglecting to power the cryo-freezers??

@heyfunny3036

4 ай бұрын

Excellent point

@ATChick

4 ай бұрын

Please 😂

@kendallbedford2523

4 ай бұрын

That part

@seventhfirestephanie8740

4 ай бұрын

In that scenario, that would be considered an Act of God. So the power grid co. wouldn't be liable.

@jarhead7602

4 ай бұрын

@Leonaza7. That's the dumbest comment today, congratulations!!!

Can people claim these embryos as dependents on their taxes if they count as children?

@wailoh4332

4 ай бұрын

I can make a car with a Dewar flask compartment and put and embryo in it for the car pool lane

Whoever dropped it must feel horrible

@javiruiz8365

4 ай бұрын

I dunno why I laughed 😂😂😂

@topgurl9313

4 ай бұрын

@@javiruiz8365 I laughed too unfortunately 😭

@OneLoveRSR

4 ай бұрын

@@javiruiz8365 ME TOO!!! The laugh caught me off guard!🤣🤣

@nunah7977

4 ай бұрын

I imagine they would feel horrible. The person surely did not want to destroy or murder. I feel bad for them too. It's sad for all involved.

They have no way of knowing whether or not that embryo was going to survive even after having been implanted. So I don't agree that they should be charged with wrongful death.

Sara WAS ON THE BALL.

An embryo is not a child. This is far fetched and dangerous to be labeling it as such.

Sunny needs to realize that this law will pretty much stop IVF.

Separate church and state

The problem is people mistaking what is their business. Sunny, I get your experience and that decision was right FOR YOU!

@MisterMan7516

4 ай бұрын

Yes but she had no right to repeat lies like she did. Science does not agree with her ridiculousness.

@amyreynolds3619

4 ай бұрын

Mind your business. If you don't want to have said child, then you shouldn't be forced to have it.

@siobhanm717

4 ай бұрын

Also what she said is kind of hypocritical. The church is against IVF treatment in general. So her "religious" beliefs only matter until it benefits her to go against them? I'm not saying that this is my belief but if she is so influenced by her religious beliefs then she would not agree with the use of IVF as a whole.

@danahaley9795

4 ай бұрын

@@siobhanm717agree!

@Kameaux

4 ай бұрын

Sunny has made it clear her beliefs aren’t prescriptive to everybody else. She’s pro-choice though she herself would never choose to have an abortion nor did she say this situation amounts to wrongful death of a minor.

My mother volunteered for her church's anti-abortion efforts, she was a retired nurse. I've been warning people for years that they're coming for your birth control pills and your IVF, but hardly anybody listened. I never had to worry about it due to fertility issues, but I worry for women with similar issues that can still get pregnant.

@sycamore-tree540

4 ай бұрын

This is exactly right. They don’t want women to be able to control their own bodies and course of life. So glad I was able to get sterilized this year!

To consider the events that led to this lawsuit to be demonstrative of "wrongful death of a minor" is ridiculous. Full stop. In doing so, the court has effectively decided that all frozen embryos must be kept in perpetuity. Those receiving or providing IVF treatments can no longer decide to dispose of, nor donate these "minors" to research - whether as a result of having successfully conceived; or, having decided to forego further attempts to avoid further heartache, etc. Any parents of these IVF “minors” in Alabama who do not wish to continue to provide for and/or protect frozen embryos - whether due to having already successfully conceived; or, because of a decision to forego any further attempts (for whatever reason, especially to avoid further heartbreak as a result of non-success) - should file with the State’s family courts to voluntarily relinquish their parental rights. If the State (namely its Supreme Court) and legislators/executive insist that these “minors” be protected as would any other child, then the State of Alabama’s Department of Human Resources can do so via foster care and adoption services. The state can pay for its own storage facilities, etc. You reap what you sow.

It is beyond psychotic to consider an embryo to be a human life deserving of the same entitlements, legalities, and privileges as a living breathing human being. How on Gods green Earth is this a discussion?

@Michaelneiss

4 ай бұрын

Good point!

I’m so tired of hearing about peoples religious beliefs like they should be everyone’s. That’s such a colonizing mindset, and I don’t care what others believe, no laws should be based on any religion. Just ridiculous

You are so right Sara

The Alabama Supreme Court and the state of Alabama honestly have bigger fish to fry than to be worried about this IVF situation! Let’s start with where they’re ranked in education and the many other things that affect the children that they say they care about so much.

@seraeirian2

4 ай бұрын

Red states' fish are only to keep women and minorities down.

"Mistakenly dropped" an embryo in Alabama is now equivalent to a charge of Wrongful death of a minor. This was the question Sunny, not about your personal privileged journey to motherhood. Sheesh! As a Christian, I heard a pastor say once. I am so glad I was introduced to Christ first BEFORE the Christian and I get it. Our beliefs are OURS and it is egotistical to force them on someone else. Even Jesus didn't do that.

@Michaelneiss

4 ай бұрын

Excellent point!

Sunny is the only one in this cast that I like, but I disagree with her wholeheartedly. An embryo is not a baby or even a fetus, it's the possibility of a life. Sunny knows this is a bad argument which is why she's standing on her emotions and religious beliefs, but if you believe it's insane to lock women up for getting an abortion or having a miscarriage (which it is), then calling the accidental destruction of an embryo murder is hypocritical.

@djbennett900

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! For being reasonable.

@lostwanderer6649

4 ай бұрын

That's also a view she concedes to when she said "if" (1:27) when she was on a roll talking..

@kevinargueta5162

4 ай бұрын

Sunny does that with every single argument. You just probably share with her other ones.

@lynnpaulovich920

4 ай бұрын

Sunny never answered the question. An accident happen, what are the consequences?.

@tomthomas4061

4 ай бұрын

Your opinion

This was a good debate. We need at least one episode with no commercials 😭

@pork8829

4 ай бұрын

What debate?! They simply accused Sunny of believing what she believes PURELY due to religion (Sunny disputed this saying her religion PARTLY shapes her views) but everyone ignored this and concluded a debate couldn't be had due to religious differences

@phantomzxro1

4 ай бұрын

@@pork8829 yeah but I wish they got more into the backlash that will happen given that IVF care may take a hit because no Doctor want to be on the hook for that. So it will create less options for people.

Sarah is 1000% correct

@ZackJRich

4 ай бұрын

Human embryo is HUMAN. That's what science says. You can tell human embryo apart from an embryo of another species. It's not a clump of cells. It's HUMAN and alive. Anyone who says otherwise is an uneducated anti-science idiot.

When it comes to issues like these, Sunny often demonstrates that having a college education does not necessarily mean you have common sense or an understanding of science.

@kickinitwithkish2611

4 ай бұрын

I agree!

@lostwanderer6649

4 ай бұрын

Yea, a embryo has no realistic chance of surviving by itself outside a incubator nor is it a guarantee to get to life. That's why they use more than one in a transfer cause the expectation is that some of those embryos will fail to progress.

@jthomasmack

4 ай бұрын

Yep. An embryo is NOT an unborn child. Its an embryo. A seed is not a tree. Eggs, flour, sugar and butter are not a cake.

@veronicasaint5811

4 ай бұрын

Sunny is not very bright in all of the topics😂

@leyjam3788

4 ай бұрын

Bless her slave owning heart. 😢

Embryos are not children.

@ZackJRich

4 ай бұрын

Human embryo is HUMAN. That's what science says. You can tell human embryo apart from an embryo of another species. It's not a clump of cells. It's HUMAN and alive. Anyone who says otherwise is an uneducated anti-science idiot.

The ladies on The View make the Jerry Springer Show look like a Memorial Day gathering.

So, let's say a 30 year old woman was not sure if she wanted children because maybe her career was taking off, or maybe she didn't have a love in her life, or maybe she just doesn't want children but is constantly told "one day you'll change your mind" decides to be sure of her decision. So, she freezes her eggs to come back to it at a later time but then years go by and she makes a final decision to never have children and she gets rid of her eggs. Does that make her a murderer of her kids. Or a neglectful parent. Should she be charged? This is beyond insane.

@Mochi-zg7nf

4 ай бұрын

Alabama is only claiming that embryos are children, not eggs. The eggs need to be fertilized to be considered children. So as it stands right now, you can abandon all the eggs you want. In fact, women abandon 1 egg per month anyway. But hey they may come for our eggs next, who knows?

Religion and the Courts should be Separate!!🗣

Sunny is confused about her (or other people 's) embryos rights. She says that it is because of her religious believes. Sunny, if you are religious, what right any human being have to take that embryos from a woman body and freeze it? God decided that your embryo grows and lives or dies in your body. God doesnt allow to mess up with it, ok? You cannot have it both way, be religious and use science also. ...Ok?

@joep3770

4 ай бұрын

when did God decide that an embryo grows and lives or die in the body? That is just false

@amyreynolds3619

4 ай бұрын

Um, yes, you can be pro science and pro religious. It's also known as being a human being.

@godislove544

4 ай бұрын

God also gave the doctors and scientists who came up with IVF the intelligence to do so

@solStarlette

4 ай бұрын

That's your personal interpretation of faith and religious beliefs. How are you trying to dictate what her beliefs should be? Next you'll be claiming religious people shouldn't drive cars because it's technology.

@dianem7677

4 ай бұрын

@@amyreynolds3619 ...yes, sure, but what we see now is that some human beings want to punish scientists when by accident or mistake that embryo will get "hurt", or die or whatever may happen to it .... because that human being is religious. Makes no sense.

Why is no one talking about the effect of this ruling on funerals? Can we now expect to see thimbles used as caskets? Will funeral parlors supply microscopes to view deceased embryos?

As someone who has gone through with feezing my eggs, even i was told that IVF only has about less than a 50% success rate in life birth. So even with those embryos that were unfortunately destroyed, there was no guarantee those would have turned into live births. SO How can it be a wrongful death in hypotheticals situation?

So... Sunny is playing God. Tell 'em Sara.

@mykoniichistorychannel

4 ай бұрын

I like Sunny, but she lost the plot.

Pro life and pro choice are NOT the same! So no Whoopi not everyone at that table is pro life!

@samuelgracia-ot6gv

4 ай бұрын

Please explain.

@vikkittiegodley3992

4 ай бұрын

I think she meant pro choice

@abby4027

4 ай бұрын

YES

@abby4027

4 ай бұрын

@@vikkittiegodley3992no she was saying they even if your pro choice, you can be prolife

@vikkittiegodley3992

4 ай бұрын

@@abby4027 yes u are correct I misspoke

Sunny always has a connection to the topic. She treats that table like a courtroom trial, i CANT WAIT TILL she leaves the table one day

Sara makes a great point about mixing science and religion. 3:18 - if that’s the case you shouldn’t take medicine or anything. Etc etc. people can’t pick and choose.

I definitely don't see this as a case of wrongful death. Some may see producing embryo's using IVF as ungodly or criminal behavior to start with.

Agree with Sara

I just wish these people would care about children after they're born.

This is a very good and nuanced discussion love hearing it love seeing the comment and hearing from the ladies. I think this conversation is one that's very nuanced.

Sunny makes no sense .. she wants to talk about women should be allowed to abort depending on the circumstances like health and the doctors say it won’t leave but yet she agrees about the little embryo that doesn’t even have a heart should be saved because it’s a human life wth does that mean ?????

@joep3770

4 ай бұрын

actually, she is consistent. She believe an embryo is a child based on HER personal beliefs. But she also believe women can and should have different beliefs and be allowed to based based on those beliefs.

@kendallbedford2523

4 ай бұрын

She's speaking from her religious view which I don't agree with. Thats why I don't claim any religion anymore. Frankly until the potential baby can survive on its own without the help of a mother, it's not full life.

@adventuresconjuan

4 ай бұрын

@@kendallbedford2523 exactly . I think she’s flip flopper when she claims everyone else is

@deirdrasj1

4 ай бұрын

@@joep3770but her religion is against IVF

@joep3770

4 ай бұрын

@@deirdrasj1 true. But it is still her personal belief (or personal hypocrisy). My point is that no matter how flawed or perfect her belief on the subject is, she also believe everyone should live by their own personal beliefs.

The Alabama Supreme Court has ruled that frozen embryos created during fertility treatments can be considered children under state law. The decision, issued in a pair of wrongful death cases brought by couples who had frozen embryos destroyed in an accident at a fertility clinic, brought a rush of warnings from advocates who said it would have sweeping implications for fertility treatments. The plaintiffs in the Alabama case had undergone IVF treatments that led to the creation of several embryos, some of which were implanted and resulted in healthy births. The couples had paid to keep others frozen in a storage facility at the Mobile Infirmary Medical Center. A patient wandered into the area and removed several embryos, dropping them on the floor and "killing them,” the ruling said. Chief Justice Tom Parker issued a concurring opinion that quoted the Bible as he discussed the meaning of the phrase “the sanctity of unborn life” in the Alabama Constitution. Justice Greg Cook, who filed the only full dissent to the majority opinion, said the 1872 law did not define “minor child" and was being stretched from the original intent to cover frozen embryos.

@gabrielahidalgo7173

4 ай бұрын

Wow 😮 that’s just wildly wild

And will the government consider these embryos as dependents and charge taxes. Also, I can now drive in the HOV as long as I have an embryo in the car! This is so wrong!

Based on Sunny's logic, the pan of batter consisting of eggs and flour in the oven is a cake, though unbaked. 🙄

I'm so glad Sara has started speaking up more! She makes soooo much sense. So are we going to prosecute women on drugs who destroy their "embroy's"? Sonny is reallyyyy reaching!!!!

Well said let it be God ‘ s Judgement 🤗Sara

Joy is so funny. Freezing a baby doesn't sound kosher! LOL

Great discussion

Omg!! Yes a stretch

Is that some of the reason why Octo Mom kept her 8 ?

The problem is it will affect IVF procedures in general, scientists/technicians would be liable all the time, it’s a procedure that’s not always straightforward, so where is the line, basically people will not be able to do IVF. Again religion should not be mixed with politics, politicians can have their values but represent their constituents. A woman should have the right to do what she wants with her body, imposing laws because of religious beliefs is not on.

Saying an embryo is a child is like saying my fart is diarrhea

Alyssa’s back!

So Sunny is happy to freeze "a child" - I would love to know what she did with any left over fertilized embryos.....I can tell you they never do just one or two. They make backups.....

@godislove544

4 ай бұрын

If you listen to her she's saying that they implanted all of them and they were willing and committed to give birth to all of them

@hunnibunni88

4 ай бұрын

I think she said before that it didn’t take

@mykoniichistorychannel

4 ай бұрын

@@godislove544Some people just want to come on and be mad without listening. 😂

@johnschmitt8046

4 ай бұрын

@@godislove544 then several of them (because each one is a person) died inside her? Each of them is considered by the Supreme Court of Alabama to be a child. lets say there were 3 implanted, the other 2 were killed. Is that manslaughter? Sounds crazy? Yes, this whole thing is crazy! I can also tell you as ex-clergy, that the Catholic Church believes that she committed a sin, and that any couple who can not concieve a child naturally's marriage is consided not a valid marriage. True Facts. Ask a Canon Lawyer. (Catholic Church Law).

Thank you Sunny Hostin for standing up for truth!

Let this judge pay a chicken’s price for each egg he buys when he goes grocery shopping from now on.

Welcome to the US theocracy, Alabama gives the Taliban a lesson about being a theocracy.

@danielmiller9012

4 ай бұрын

Its a state court ruling and non binding

Whoppie the discussion is over an embryo… stop preaching about anything else

@amyreynolds3619

4 ай бұрын

It's not a viable at the embryo stage. OMG. The things that some believe. 😅😂

Sara is so well spoken

So I have a question... If the Embryo is a minor, can a person in terms carry said embryo on their taxes? Receive benefits for said embryo? Not being funny but asking a serious question.

They literally abandoned the topic and starting talking about something else.

How come nobody's covering the Kansas City shooting not one newscast in Indianapolis Indiana is covering the Kansas City shooting I wonder why

@francesreed2203

4 ай бұрын

Republican gun policies are failing America

@kylesmith9439

4 ай бұрын

Cause they be black. Don't fit the narrative.

@godislove544

4 ай бұрын

In the US there are 1 to 2 mass shootings PER DAY, mass shootings are defined as 4 or more people shot and wounded or killed

@babuyadav2336

4 ай бұрын

Dude, give it up. The so called “illegal” you are trying to frame for it is an US citizen and helped tackle down the teenager who went on the shooting spree

Can someone help me with this. So I rewatched this video and just relistened to the beginning. Did she say that another PATIENT dropped someone else’s embryos. Because of that is what I heard that hospital and anyone else should be held liable for the fact that another patient had access to someone else’s embryos. Why was there a patient even in a room where embryos are being stored never mind around another patients

@sycamore-tree540

4 ай бұрын

Yes it was a patient who somehow got in to an area that should’ve been closed

If the embryo was not implanted yet, wouldn’t this fall under civil law versus criminal? The potential parents should sue the IVF clinic.

Yeah, but what's your view on the case in Alabama? Made it personal Sunny 🥴

I'm tired of Whoopi saying that "everyone at this table is pro life". That's just not true. We all know what pro-life vs. pro-choice is.

@amyreynolds3619

4 ай бұрын

Pro- choice is pro - life. I'm pro - choice and mind your business. 😊

@javiruiz8365

4 ай бұрын

@@amyreynolds3619👏👏👏

@Carousel5883

4 ай бұрын

Pro choice is pro life cause pro choice is respecting a woman's decision to decide what to do with their pregnancy.And banning abortion will only cause woman to take drastic measures like doing it themselves or worse killing themselves in return.Pro choice is not pro abortion.So much focus on unborn but no one doing anything about living children in orphanages.

@godislove544

4 ай бұрын

A sincere question if you are pro-life does that mean you're against the death penalty, does it mean that you're also in favor of people getting free healthcare including the terminally ill and all children, if you're pro-life does that also mean your are Pro getting the 25% of all the malnourished children in the United States the food and nourishment they deserve, if your pro-life does that mean you're Pro housing all the homeless people who are risk living on the streets in the cold and heat, if you're pro-life does that also mean your pro helping the immigrants who are fleeing life-threatening situations in other countries? I'm sincerely curious.

@IAmQuestReborn

4 ай бұрын

The terms used should be pro-abortion and anti-abortion. Pro-life extends beyond the womb. You can't say you're pro-life but support the death penalty and want to limit support given to families in need.

As an IVF patient myself who possesses photographs of all the embryos I have had transferred (one of which became the 2-year-old son I have now), I believe that a 5-day-old embryo (a blastocyst) is life...but it is not a person. The embryos which never successfully implanted or miscarried after a few weeks does not carry the same definition of life for me as the son I feed, bathe, and put to sleep every day. Embryos do not have a heart. They are not the same as a fetus. They are a clump of cells which have barely differentiated between baby and placenta. Visually, they kind of look like cauliflower under the microscope. I think it is absolutely tragic that people have lost their hard-earned embryos due to a mishap. I would have been devastated and furious and I would have sued and demanded consequences. But should the loss of my embryos carry the same weight as the loss of my son? ...I don't think so. Losing my son would be greater, because he is a living, breathing, thinking, feeling, and growing individual. Ofc all this is just my opinion, but I thought it'd be nice to share from experience. I have many friends and family members who have become biological parents, but who have never seen or thought about what an embryo looks like, or how the earliest days of development works. Many don't know they're pregnant until they missed signs and get a positive pee stick. At 5 days of life, an embryo hasn't even attached to the womb to create the hcg hormones necessary for pregnancy symptoms. It's that early; only one tiny delicate step further than eggs that get shed with menstruation or sperm that gets lost with ejaculation.

So is freezing them child abuse?

It is a stretch!!! Sorry Sunny! Your view is not mine and shouldn't be forced on me!

@SupportTheArts-yo8ox

4 ай бұрын

How can she be so liberal about everything else, but not about this?

@camara1194

4 ай бұрын

not all liberal people think the same. There is diversity of thought even amongst the group of people you agree with. . I think it's assuming to do so.@@SupportTheArts-yo8ox​

I watched the show when it aired and it was one of the ‘biggest messes’. Sara actually made the most sense about defining this embryo as a minor and all the details she laid out. Pretty ridiculous

3,5 million children homeless in the US on any given day.

Good point Allyssa

My love go out for sunny 🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊

Whoopi is totally right.

Interesting topic.

And yet you can’t get life insurance on that embryo

An embryo is a human life no matter how much people want fight that fact

@kcdc7743

4 ай бұрын

I would say that it's the potential for life. Many IVF implantations are not successful. You have about a 55% success rate if you're under 35, and it drops significantly after. Just having an embryo that's ready for implantation does not mean that it is guaranteed to survive to become an actual human being.

@mykoniichistorychannel

4 ай бұрын

It’s not even viable.

Sunny Hostin had 5 miscarriages so for the people who are always making negative and critical comments about Sunny need to realize that about her

@tanja0411

4 ай бұрын

I’m sorry for her losses but (respectfully) that doesn’t make me change my mind about what I perceive as her inability or unwillingness to listen to other POVs. I feel it’s gotten a bit better so maybe she’s working on it :) But sorry - her losses have nothing to do with many people’s criticisms. And sadly that happens to many, many women.

@xKarenWalkerx

4 ай бұрын

Yep and murderer Whoopi aborted 2 innocent human babies.

@ATChick

4 ай бұрын

Doesn't make her a scientist

@Madbandit77

4 ай бұрын

And with crazy anti-abortion laws being made, she would be charged five times. It's insane.

@hallking7441

4 ай бұрын

She's a race baiter because she had 5 miscarriages???

Joy, “Time to March!” 😂😂😂🎉

Appreciate Sunny’s perspective.