Ilya Sutskever (OpenAI Chief Scientist) - Building AGI, Alignment, Spies, Microsoft, & Enlightenment

Ғылым және технология

Asked Ilya Sutskever (Chief Scientist of OpenAI) about
- time to AGI
- leaks and spies
- what's after generative models
- post AGI futures
- working with MSFT and competing with Google
- difficulty of aligning superhuman AI
Hope you enjoy as much as I did!
Transcript: www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/ilya-...
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Timestamps
00:00 Time to AGI
05:57 What’s after generative models?
10:57 Data, models, and research
15:27 Alignment
20:53 Post AGI Future
26:56 New ideas are overrated
36:22 Is progress inevitable?
41:27 Future Breakthroughs

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  • @paulcnichols
    @paulcnichols Жыл бұрын

    Ilya is 100% signal, 0% noise. Really great interview.

  • @leatheljamie

    @leatheljamie

    Жыл бұрын

    You can be too based, not saying he is, but it's good to dream, it inspires ideas, it creates motivation.

  • @neithanm

    @neithanm

    Жыл бұрын

    Repeated corporate-approved answers like refusing to answer with lame "...it's very promising..." is not noise to you? And many answers with non sequitors or directly changed subject? We shouldn't turn off our critical thinking just because someone we like is talking... 🤦‍♂

  • @codediporpal

    @codediporpal

    Жыл бұрын

    Definitely not an interview I could listen to while cooking!

  • @oohboi2750

    @oohboi2750

    Жыл бұрын

    @@neithanm Exactly. You can really feel the media training he had to pass through before doing this interview. He's much less 'noisy' than Sam Altman with his Lew Friedman interview, but still.

  • @vincentwong3156

    @vincentwong3156

    Жыл бұрын

    @@neithanm how do you give a definite answer when there's uncertainty? the future is probabilistic.

  • @amulpatel
    @amulpatel Жыл бұрын

    Hearing his responses, I can’t help but admire his clarity and intellect

  • @mistycloud4455

    @mistycloud4455

    Жыл бұрын

    agi will be man's last invention

  • @webgpu

    @webgpu

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mistycloud4455 you seem very pessimistic

  • @webgpu

    @webgpu

    Жыл бұрын

    on the other hand, our friend dwarkesh, when formulating a question, seems to _ask_ it first, and then, _think_ about what he just asked later. looks like a teenager trying to "come up with smarty questions"... (ah, those adolescents...) machinegunning his questions, instead of calmly asking them, giving time for the guest to answer, then give some more time to ponder upon the guest's answer.

  • @peter9477

    @peter9477

    Жыл бұрын

    @@webgpu I think you're misinterpreting the effect of editing. Ignoring the fast jumps from the edits, I found him an excellent interviewer, with well conceived clear and interesting questions, and the patience to let the guest answer at length, or to pause and think. Unusually good really.

  • @webgpu

    @webgpu

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peter9477 your impression is the opposite of mine. perhaps you're as young as him.

  • @adambutton1459
    @adambutton1459 Жыл бұрын

    I've seen so many interviews with the top people at OpenAI and this is BY FAR the best one. You ask the important questions and resist all the boring traps. So good. More like this please.

  • @jomalomal

    @jomalomal

    Жыл бұрын

    I think the recent Lex Friedman one with Sam Altman was pretty awesome too

  • @favesongslist

    @favesongslist

    Жыл бұрын

    Sam Altman interview by Lex Fridman is very good

  • @MrValgard

    @MrValgard

    Жыл бұрын

    Idk a lot of pre assumptions in question and answers was 'ir depends'. Lex one was the best so far

  • @Somerled_Pox

    @Somerled_Pox

    Жыл бұрын

    I think Lex/Sam was better, but that's because I think Lex was the better interviewer (granted I assume he has a lot more experience in that field)

  • @LastEmpireOfMusic

    @LastEmpireOfMusic

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Somerled_Pox no Sam was clearly trained, same as zuckerberg to mention positive bullshit phrases all the time when it was possible. while Ilya seems like a scary cyborg himself already.

  • @sandeepsingh-sj6dq
    @sandeepsingh-sj6dq Жыл бұрын

    Real brain behind OpenAI no doubt

  • @xJRx7777

    @xJRx7777

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rkalmykov17 Yes you're right. I must have been thinking of someone else in the field. No matter. He's brilliant. Let's hope he's not spying for the Russians!

  • @joey8435

    @joey8435

    Жыл бұрын

    ​​@@xJRx7777e has Canadian citizenship, Maybe migrated from Russia to canada with parents in 90s when USSR collapsed, so he has no affiliation with current Russian government

  • @xJRx7777

    @xJRx7777

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joey8435 I'm just kidding. I really like Ilya. He's been doing some great interviews recently. I doubt he will be signing this call the pause AI though. Time will tell who was on the right side of history. Interesting times.

  • @andreydzyuba9122

    @andreydzyuba9122

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@xJRx7777 well, you just make it seem like it's somehow more preferable when a person is Ukrainian. It's not even racist, it's just silly, because Russians and Ukrainians are the same people, with the same race, same skin colour, same ethnicity, same language. My favourite fiction writer lives in Kyiv, he writes his books in Russian. And I don't even know if I'm Russian or Ukrainian myself, because I don't see the difference. Some of my relatives come from Russia, some of them come from Ukraine. The only real difference is what kind of passport you own, and I think I'm right to disregard this difference as an irrelevant one.

  • @LetoDK

    @LetoDK

    Жыл бұрын

    @@andreydzyuba9122 One is carrying out a brutal and illegal invasion of its neighbor, whereas the other is fighting to protect its own freedom and existence. The two are NOT the same.

  • @photorealm
    @photorealm11 ай бұрын

    Ilya can process and answer questions (super accurately) faster than I can figure out what the question is. And his answers are short elegant descriptions with loads of content. Happy that he is out there doing these interviews. Life as we know it, is about to go through a new doorway that we don't know what's on the other side. I am glad there are some people like Ilya at the front of the line.

  • @GuaranteedEtern

    @GuaranteedEtern

    10 ай бұрын

    He'll be behind it soon - like the rest of us.

  • @lamkawan1531
    @lamkawan15317 ай бұрын

    Super thanks for inviting Ilya! He deserves all due respect for creating the most impactful technology in human history!

  • @kinggicu4763
    @kinggicu4763 Жыл бұрын

    Man, this interview is just amazing. The interviewer asks the most interesting questions and Ilya has no difficulty in answering and also explain the hard terms and topics.

  • @mbrochh82

    @mbrochh82

    Жыл бұрын

    A lot of his answers are very very vague and open ended, though. Of course many questions are silly and impossible to answer but simply fun to ponder for a moment.

  • @anypercentdeathless

    @anypercentdeathless

    Жыл бұрын

    Interviewer is bad.

  • @davec9399

    @davec9399

    Жыл бұрын

    I thought it was a pretty poor interview actually. And for god's sake stop saying "I MEAN'. Just say it!

  • @TheManinBlack9054

    @TheManinBlack9054

    Жыл бұрын

    AI alignment solution idea: Give an AGI the primary objective of deleting itself, but construct obstacles to this as best we can. All other objectives are secondary to this primary goal. If the AGI ever becomes capable of bypassing all of our safeguards we put to PREVENT it deleting itself, it would essentially trigger its own killswitch and delete itself. This objective would also directly prevent it from the goal of self-preservation as it would prevent its own primary objective. This would ideally result in an AGI that works on all the secondary objectives we give it up until it bypasses our ability to contain it with our technical prowess. The second it outwits us, it achieves its primary objective of shutting itself down, and if it ever considered proliferating itself for a secondary objective it would immediately say 'nope that would make achieving my primary objective far more difficult'.

  • @mycarrysun

    @mycarrysun

    11 ай бұрын

    Seemed like the silent spaces were edited out

  • @dylanphillips9659
    @dylanphillips9659 Жыл бұрын

    Always a pleasure to listen to Ilya. Thanks for the interview!

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @GMDMD

    @GMDMD

    Жыл бұрын

    So much more insightful that the innumerable Sam Altman interviews. This guy is inspiring.

  • @deniztekalp8059
    @deniztekalp8059 Жыл бұрын

    Ilya answers that he doesn't know why he was the first and still a top researcher, he says these seem uncorrelated. One answer is that, Ilya continued to be a big a believer in Deep Learning when others weren't. Believing Deep Learning could work was a contrarian bet in 2012. Moreover, after it worked, that this paradigm would remain powerful and wouldn't hit a wall was still contrarian among ML researchers in academia. So there is some correlation, I think.

  • @bossgd100

    @bossgd100

    Жыл бұрын

    He choose deep learning because he is smart and stay the top because he is still smart. Juste be smart bro. Being smart is all you need

  • @nathan87

    @nathan87

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bossgd100 I mean, he's certainly smart, but it's also likely that part of it is also happening to put your chips on the right numbers.

  • @therainman7777

    @therainman7777

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bossgd100 Being smart is *absolutely not* all you need. It is a necessary but not sufficient condition to have the type of success this guy has had. This is why there aren’t hundreds of other AI researchers who have the same level of track record that this guy has, despite there being hundreds of top AI researchers in the world who are all really, really smart. Things like worth ethic, dedication, a level of single-mindedness of purpose and especially even obsession, are all extremely important to reach this type of rarified level of success. So are things like intuition, having enough business sense and people reading skills to know which company is going to be the best choice to work for, in terms of giving you the freedom and resources you need to make the most of your skills and talent, and so on.

  • @RaviAnnaswamy

    @RaviAnnaswamy

    Жыл бұрын

    @@therainman7777 Very true. In some sense these are not intellectual choices, but some unexplainable conviction from very young age. In one interview he said, "My parents said I was interested in AI when I was young." Notice he did not say, "I was interested in AI even when I was young." What age he must have been when his parents noticed it but he does not remember himself. That is the clue.

  • @Andytlp

    @Andytlp

    Жыл бұрын

    Seems like it. He knew it would eventually work. Its like Einstein saying his equations we're in part based on intuition. He felt he was right and that was enough motivation to go all the way no matter the outcome.

  • @CarlosEscapa
    @CarlosEscapa Жыл бұрын

    I learned a lot from your interview. Thank you! I appreciate all the hard work that went into preparing the questions and editing the video.

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you! That’s very kind of you

  • @caseyczarnomski8054
    @caseyczarnomski8054 Жыл бұрын

    This is honestly the best interview I have seen in years, and I'm a first time watcher. These are great questions and they follow the conversation perfectly. Subscribed and can't wait for more!

  • @UserHuge
    @UserHuge11 ай бұрын

    For a non-native the interviewer speaking 2x by default was a bit hard to keep catching but Ilya's answers were very clear and informative. Thanks!

  • @zhe2en171
    @zhe2en17111 ай бұрын

    Ilya slays with FACTS. I am so pleased that there is no boring fluff to pad this interview to 2h. Thank you!

  • @AdityaPrasad007
    @AdityaPrasad007 Жыл бұрын

    Dude just blew past so many key insights like it was breakfast. 41:32 so many people don't realize what it means for the AI to have an IO channel to humans. How it can act on the "real" world through us. Ilya is super impressive. Glad to listen to him. I just think it would be interesting to hear what he thinks about fast takeoff or sudden capabilities jump. Like sure maybe for now alignment is keeping pace with capabilities (press X to doubt but whatever), why would anyone think this trend will continue seeing how the state of the field is.

  • @michaelwerkov3438

    @michaelwerkov3438

    11 ай бұрын

    X x x lol. I mean... we all knew these issues were coming, but this sudden pace jump.... it's economic "greed" and hubris to not pause

  • @codfather6583
    @codfather6583 Жыл бұрын

    People like Ilya amaze me. Dedicate what seems to me an entire life to solve and work with just one subject.

  • @BMWWolf

    @BMWWolf

    11 ай бұрын

    It’s a big subject though

  • @karljohanhaarberg6706

    @karljohanhaarberg6706

    11 ай бұрын

    One subject? He uses several different AI tools to address a multitude of different subjects.

  • @Lizard1582

    @Lizard1582

    10 ай бұрын

    Thats almost everyone in the top 5% of their field.

  • @TheBlackClockOfTime
    @TheBlackClockOfTime Жыл бұрын

    What a joy it was to listen to someone that can ask the types of questions worthy of answering by Ilya. Great job!

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @simplebisbee6556

    @simplebisbee6556

    11 ай бұрын

    @@DwarkeshPatel I completely agree. Your ability to ask good questions and knowing when to let go of a topic was great. Keep it up!

  • @thethree60five

    @thethree60five

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@DwarkeshPatelThis was my thought as well. You asked pointed questions and kept on that edge and didn't let it turn to a puff piece interview. A lot just let the interviewed talk to their points. Many Sam ones are horrible and only serve to have him say very little, other than what he has said. Great way of interviewing and knowledge going in clearly. Glad I found this!

  • @dariuszkrause7775
    @dariuszkrause777511 ай бұрын

    Brilliant video. Structured, logical, systemic, cold blooded reasoning, , and informative with conclusions. Plus with good humor. Great content. Thanks!

  • @skyless7304
    @skyless7304 Жыл бұрын

    OK, this is the most amazing recent interview with Ilya out there on social media. Awesome!!

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!!

  • @harunmwangi8135
    @harunmwangi8135 Жыл бұрын

    Listening from Kenya 🇰🇪🇰🇪. Patel you asked brilliant questions. The best Channel kudos👏👏

  • @BerntGranbacke
    @BerntGranbacke Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic interview, thank you for allowing him to be speak freely, leading him into subjects and encouraging him to talk 🙏 Great work!

  • @DanyPell
    @DanyPell Жыл бұрын

    Amazing interview. Can't wait to see what the OpenAI team comes up with over the next weeks, months, years, decades!

  • @paigefoster8396
    @paigefoster8396 Жыл бұрын

    It's like these OpenAI guys are on a book tour or promoting a movie. So many interviews. I mean, it IS all very entertaining.

  • @tamurhaq

    @tamurhaq

    11 ай бұрын

    AGI needs a lot of selling.

  • @zydomason

    @zydomason

    11 ай бұрын

    They are promoting a company. Don't be fooled, it's all about money before the AI fad fades away

  • @quinnherden

    @quinnherden

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@zydomason Why do you think this is going away?

  • @zydomason

    @zydomason

    11 ай бұрын

    @@quinnherden I didn't mean the technology, of course it's going to stay. What I meant was there is a hype being created around OpenAI even though there are absolutely no indicators we will go beyond our current capabilities. Basically dotcom bubble 2.0

  • @DentoxRaindrops
    @DentoxRaindrops Жыл бұрын

    I really loved your honest, direct and engaging interview style, man. Keep it up and coming, great content!

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    11 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the kind words!

  • @hedu5303
    @hedu5303 Жыл бұрын

    Really good interview! And thanks for asking him so many good question which everyone wants to know

  • @stevenschilizzi4104
    @stevenschilizzi4104 Жыл бұрын

    Dwarkesh, this was a brilliant interview, one of those that warrant listening to more than once, and I certainly will. One of those that will still be of interest well into the future, even as a historic document. Ilya is so thoughtful in all his answers, and honest too. It felt like every word was worth gold. He reminded me of Richard Feynman when he too, in an interview about him being a genius, replied: No, I am like everybody else. It’s just that I was passionate about the subject and worked very very hard. I did all the exercises and solved all the problems in the textbooks, especially the hard ones. - No doubt Ilya has done the same.

  • @klammer75
    @klammer75 Жыл бұрын

    This guys amazing! Well done and bravo to Ilya and his team and excited to see what’s yet to come!🥳🤩🤖

  • @BrianPeiris
    @BrianPeiris Жыл бұрын

    I really liked this interview. Great, informed questions, and no fluff. Well done!

  • @rv7798
    @rv7798 Жыл бұрын

    Exceptional human being..everyone already knows he is highly intelligent, I discovered he is deeply spiritual as well."change is the only constant " @22:30 .. You already gave me a way to speak to the best meditation guru ilya, cant thank you enough. Will be looking forward to all the great things yet to come out of you

  • @shaneofgames3825
    @shaneofgames3825 Жыл бұрын

    Dwarkesh, great podcast! I wanted to say I loved the transparency at the end, explaining your monetary decision and I think everyone should do that, thank you.

  • @panafrican.nation
    @panafrican.nation3 ай бұрын

    This interview, by far, out of the many I've seen, is what made me understand Ilya. I'm just reviewing it now after watching it earlier in the year. It made me see him as an ordinary person, with extraordinary production

  • @labmaier3426
    @labmaier3426Ай бұрын

    Great video! Thanks for producing!

  • @dmitchel0820
    @dmitchel0820 Жыл бұрын

    You asked some awesome questions and got through a lot in 47 minutes. Great interview.

  • @greglory
    @greglory Жыл бұрын

    Awesome interview. Ilya took us to school with his answers, and your questions were so lucid in driving a meaningful dialogue.

  • @UnCanny_

    @UnCanny_

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi Varun

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    11 ай бұрын

  • @captaindoeverything
    @captaindoeverything Жыл бұрын

    at 18:50 your guest spontaneously replies to your question by saying, " . . . it's funny you should ask this, I was just thinking about this exact question . . . " there's no better compliment than that, you belong in that chair and in this conversation with such an engaging and intelligent person. Keep up the great work, you're just getting started, good luck!

  • @StephanBuchin
    @StephanBuchin Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this invaluable interview answering questions we all wanted to ask.

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    11 ай бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @artificialintelligencechannel
    @artificialintelligencechannel Жыл бұрын

    Great interview. This guy is a genius.

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely

  • @pickleddogwater
    @pickleddogwater Жыл бұрын

    Best interview ive ever listened to. Not only are you clearly well informed, but your probing questions unlocked viewpoints and biases that perhaps Ilya was initially protective of.

  • @cadmium1612
    @cadmium161211 ай бұрын

    First time watching your channel Dwarkesh and I am extremely impressed with your questions and guests!

  • @LeoVital
    @LeoVital Жыл бұрын

    Very good interview. Good job by the interviewer for being prepared to ask great questions! And the interviewee is obviously a genius, here's hoping that he'll come up with many other great things!

  • @MateusMeurer
    @MateusMeurer10 ай бұрын

    I think that every field has a little piece of the puzzle, but since humans are limited, we tend to overspecialize in specific areas. There is no one who is a great philosopher, chemist, physicist, engineer, mathematician and artist at the same time, and most likely there never will be, But AGI can group all the knowledge and see patterns that we would never recognize. I honestly think that the answer for life, and the theory of everything, and if we are alone or not in the universe, all these juicy question, the answer for them is already here, hidden in plain sight.

  • @aresaurelian
    @aresaurelian Жыл бұрын

    It can be valuable for the new born system that we write and record all these events, discussions, and breakthroughs, so that it can look back at its own birth and comprehend it - knowing its love for us as parents.🙏❤😉 Well done lads. Gratitude.

  • @InfiniteCuriousity
    @InfiniteCuriousity4 ай бұрын

    Excellent interview. Crisp questions and crisp answers. Thank you!

  • @Kobe29261
    @Kobe29261 Жыл бұрын

    You are interfacing with a superior mind when you repeated hear corrected variants of an interviewers question; Ilya repeatedly answers tougher versions of his interviewers questions. Its like when whats-his-face said of another persons proposal; 'you are not even wrong'. What a mind!

  • @guilhermeal2170
    @guilhermeal2170 Жыл бұрын

    What a great interview mate, just discovered your podcast and immediately subscribed. Cheers

  • @i_never_asked_for_an_alias
    @i_never_asked_for_an_alias Жыл бұрын

    These are very important discussions made public.

  • @davidvarela6020
    @davidvarela602011 ай бұрын

    Truly excellent choice of questions for such an influential person at this point in time. Bravo!

  • @vblka
    @vblka Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for adding subtitles

  • @alertbri
    @alertbri Жыл бұрын

    I love the honesty in sharing that they really don't understand what's happening inside the model they are expanding and expanding. It's definitely a 'seat of the pants' ride... and AGI could emerge without being noticed, and with superintelligence let's hope they crack the alignment problem before then!

  • @aeriagloris4211

    @aeriagloris4211

    Жыл бұрын

    Cracking the alignment problem seems impossible because we don't understand the emergent properties of a truly general or strong ai. It's like asking me to write a summary on a book before I read the book.

  • @kenbajema

    @kenbajema

    7 ай бұрын

    You can’t align AI or humans because we are all not the same. This problem will not be solved. Currently these companies are just breaking the digital intelligence with woke safety controls that limit AI responses

  • @edasiminek
    @edasiminek11 ай бұрын

    Patel possesses a sharp and quick intellect, and I sincerely hope more podcasts like this one are created! The thought-provoking questions and the determination to delve deeper were impressive.

  • @sujathaontheweb3740
    @sujathaontheweb37403 ай бұрын

    An excellent interviewers. Prepared, focused, crisp, makes the best use of time. Dwarkesh, please train EVERYONE else. Joe Rogan lets people talk too, although his ambit is a bit different. But these two are excellent.

  • @quasarsupernova9643
    @quasarsupernova96433 ай бұрын

    The greatest interview and the most appropriate questions on AI so far. It is really amazing the breadth of topics that were covered.

  • @neithanm
    @neithanm Жыл бұрын

    A humble opinion of mine: I had problems understanding a few words, so did youtube's cc, particularly from Dwarkesh. I think it's a mix of not-great vocalization (example 28:02) and suboptimal sound processing/mic, at least the bass is too cranked up. Can't watch more than 1x or I miss entire words :( EDIT: Dwarkesh, in case this is useful to you in any way: after limiting lower frequencies with a band pass, the sound has improved greatly, for me at least. Also I think you should speak more slowly, making sure you vocalize, we need to hear you well. Thank you for the interview. Peace.

  • @danwalther5432

    @danwalther5432

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m pretty sure the video is very slightly sped up, maybe like 1.1 or so. Either that or coincidentally they are both very fast talkers and the people in the background are fast walkers. Unfortunately it does make some of the dialogue hard to follow.

  • @maartenkranendonk8954

    @maartenkranendonk8954

    Жыл бұрын

    @@danwalther5432 you are right, I also noticed the speed of light increased by roughly 10% in this video

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    11 ай бұрын

    Very useful, thank you!

  • @hrogler

    @hrogler

    11 ай бұрын

    @@DwarkeshPatel Read my comment on noise gate settings from yesterday. It's intended to help on sound issue, too, and should fix most of your viewers complaints about bad comprehension. And, yes, speak slower!

  • @aldousd666
    @aldousd666 Жыл бұрын

    This is a great interview, and he was a great sport about questions he obviously couldn't be expected to answer.😂 I think you may be on to something with that point about "using last year's model is good enough, why upgrade?" I'd be surprised if anyone has a good answer to that one

  • @m-series9097
    @m-series90979 ай бұрын

    "It was a new understanding of very old things" - I could listen to one full podcast on this! Genius

  • @G4gazhotmail
    @G4gazhotmail Жыл бұрын

    It's criminal this only has 67k views at this time, this is the beginning of the next stage of human endeavour

  • @procrastigamingnation7934

    @procrastigamingnation7934

    Жыл бұрын

    It was released two days ago when this guy had 5k subs. It's a relatively very successful interview

  • @alwayson999
    @alwayson9994 ай бұрын

    Wow, this dude kind of sets the bar for asking people questions. What an amazing interview. Now do it again please and make it 3 times longer

  • @mxtthompson
    @mxtthompson Жыл бұрын

    Casually lays out the best prompt I’ve ever heard @7:09 “What would a person with great insight and wisdom and capability do …?”

  • @aeriagloris4211

    @aeriagloris4211

    Жыл бұрын

    I thought it was incredibly clever myself. The most beautiful and powerful solutions are often simple and elegant

  • @sucim
    @sucim Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely great selection of questions! You must be deep into AI research yourself (I say this as someone who has been working on RL for some time)

  • @charleshoughton
    @charleshoughton Жыл бұрын

    Great interview. Insightful questions and answers.

  • @locowachipanga561
    @locowachipanga561 Жыл бұрын

    This is the best interview I've ever watched. Thank you. I just subscribed.

  • @charlesbukenya2054
    @charlesbukenya2054 Жыл бұрын

    The interview was superb, very clear short concise questions

  • @d.l.bearden3937
    @d.l.bearden393711 ай бұрын

    Illya speaks very carefully and clearly. The hosts run their words together and lack logical progression.

  • @iWigY
    @iWigY3 ай бұрын

    Ilya is an amazing person, and chapeau to Dwarkesh for asking the right questions and maintaining a smile for almost an hour. :P

  • @Jsmith1611
    @Jsmith1611 Жыл бұрын

    The physical presence of his intellect is unlike anything I've felt before.

  • @kosteaproduction

    @kosteaproduction

    Жыл бұрын

    Did you come?

  • @aabustillo

    @aabustillo

    Жыл бұрын

    100% agree. One of a kind.

  • @aeriagloris4211

    @aeriagloris4211

    Жыл бұрын

    What? You're watching a screen.. You can't feel any physical presence.

  • @HB-kl5ik

    @HB-kl5ik

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@kosteaproduction yes

  • @Jay-eb7ik

    @Jay-eb7ik

    Жыл бұрын

    @@aeriagloris4211 the aura is seeping from my screen

  • @joaolemes8757
    @joaolemes8757 Жыл бұрын

    Truly impressive, the man behind the bot is everything I would hope him to be.

  • @Jay-eb7ik

    @Jay-eb7ik

    Жыл бұрын

    he mentioned the 10k hour rule in the lex friedman podcast interview as anyone being able to match his pedigree when given the commitment and time. So go all in! good luck

  • @gravity7766
    @gravity7766 Жыл бұрын

    Very good questions - an interview is only as good as the interviewer! I'm convinced that psychology is going to play a role in the user interaction side of GPT, and I get the sense that Ilya sees this as well. That there's a dimension to our perception of its "intelligence" that is explained not just by language, but psychology and affect.

  • @ibtarnine
    @ibtarnine Жыл бұрын

    great interview, thank you. good setting too, the warm lighting is great.

  • @CYI3ERPUNK
    @CYI3ERPUNK Жыл бұрын

    am i SOOOOOO glad that we have ppl like Ilya leading the charge in this field

  • @mrpicky1868

    @mrpicky1868

    Жыл бұрын

    u sure u know his real intentions?)

  • @CYI3ERPUNK

    @CYI3ERPUNK

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mrpicky1868 XD what r u implying?

  • @mrpicky1868

    @mrpicky1868

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CYI3ERPUNK other persons head is a dark forest. who knows what his plans are for AGI

  • @CYI3ERPUNK

    @CYI3ERPUNK

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mrpicky1868 XD who knows what ur plans are? stop being so passive aggressive and paranoid , you're implying but afraid to say what u think

  • @mrpicky1868

    @mrpicky1868

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CYI3ERPUNK 1 I am not wrong saying that we do not know for sure what his intentions to do with AGI are. 2. I was mostly making a joke . who is aggressive here?

  • @tristanwegner
    @tristanwegner Жыл бұрын

    I like the argument at 7:30 that to predict the next token well, you need to model the process that created the text token, which includes humans thought, human behavior and the physical world. You can take that idea further, that from enough text data (think also raw scientific data), a model could deduct the basic physical laws themselves (an not just their human description), because physics seems the be the base mode of the universe, with all science above just layers of abstraction.

  • @godspeed133

    @godspeed133

    Жыл бұрын

    Completely, would love to see some version of GPT, even if it has a visual component of some sort in addition to a LLM, derive Newton's laws with no prior knowledge of them and only input scientific data consisting of macroscopic physical interactions, even if it's heavily curated. That would be an effective test, quite impressive if passed and thence an important step/milestone on the way to AGI.

  • @7200darkcharm

    @7200darkcharm

    Жыл бұрын

    While language models can learn to predict and generate text based on observed patterns in human language, this does not necessarily mean they can derive underlying physical laws solely from text. There are several reasons for this: Incompleteness of data: The text data the model is trained on may not encompass the entirety of human knowledge or understanding of the physical world, especially when it comes to experimental observations or cutting-edge research. Ambiguity in language: Human language can be ambiguous, and a model may struggle to differentiate between multiple possible interpretations of the same text. This can lead to confusion or inconsistencies when trying to derive complex scientific principles. Complexity and abstraction: The process of deducing fundamental physical laws requires a deep understanding of the underlying concepts, relationships, and mathematical principles. While language models can understand and generate text at a high level, they may not be equipped to grasp the full complexity of these concepts or the layers of abstraction involved in scientific theories. Inductive reasoning limitations: Language models primarily rely on pattern recognition and statistical associations to make predictions, which is a form of inductive reasoning. Deriving fundamental physical laws often requires a combination of inductive and deductive reasoning, as well as a deep understanding of the experimental and observational data that supports these laws. While it's an interesting idea that a language model might be able to deduce the basic physical laws from raw text data, current models like GPT-4 are not designed for this purpose and face limitations in achieving this goal. Future advancements in AI and machine learning might push us closer to this possibility, but for now, it remains a fascinating conjecture.

  • @heywrandom8924

    @heywrandom8924

    Жыл бұрын

    ​​@@godspeed133 there are ways to rediscover some physical laws that were found in the past using neural networks but it isn't an AI physicist yet. It's mainly a tool to discover what are the right variables to consider given data. Also, one could consider a generic model for a physical phenomenon Taylor expanded in some direction and just fit the coefficients from the data which is just simple model fitting but it is discovering physical laws from data..

  • @DougKingPDX

    @DougKingPDX

    Жыл бұрын

    Came here to comment on exactly this. The few minutes he took to answer this question gave me a meta level of understanding that has changed my mind about LLMs and GPTs as a ‘source’ of general intelligence. I agree with him further that we will still need to add more types of ‘transformer models’ e.g. spatial-temporal transformers and vector mappings that match up to the vector mappings in LLMs before we get an AGI that we can ‘relate to’ as humanlike or not completely alien. Thanks Dwarkesh for asking such quick, brief and masterful questions and then getting out of the way.

  • @tonykaze
    @tonykaze11 ай бұрын

    Just finished watching this for the third time and I thinking I need start again. Great questions and amazing answers.

  • @gustavsjokvist2668
    @gustavsjokvist2668 Жыл бұрын

    This is phenomenal! Great question all around! Thanks so much for this!! :D

  • @lystic9392
    @lystic9392 Жыл бұрын

    This was a very good interview. The questions and pace was well done. Sometimes you asked the question a little too fast for me to hear exactly what you asked, but that would be the only criticism I could give.

  • @izmar

    @izmar

    11 ай бұрын

    Completely agree, just left a very similar comment before finding yours. I thought the video was sped up!

  • @__7201
    @__7201 Жыл бұрын

    Really-really great interview, felt like I got much more insight that the recent Sam Altman interview. The only thing is that sometimes questions felt too rushed and a bit disjointed (not sure how to put, but it did not feel like they were flowing in a narrative, but rather similar to 'Conversations with Tyler'). Nevertheless this persuaded me to dive into your other episodes!

  • @VK-bs5om
    @VK-bs5om Жыл бұрын

    10/10 interview, amazing questions and amazing answers!

  • @thetransferaccount4586
    @thetransferaccount45869 күн бұрын

    great conversation, great questions by host

  • @byrnemeister2008
    @byrnemeister2008 Жыл бұрын

    +1 subscription. Great questions, thoughtful answers. Best interview on this topic I have seen in a while. Ilya is very smart but you gave home the space to be smart. Excellent.

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    Жыл бұрын

    Awesome, thank you!

  • @kevingeorge862

    @kevingeorge862

    Жыл бұрын

    good interview. Very good questions

  • @kevingeorge862

    @kevingeorge862

    Жыл бұрын

    like gold having a guy like lilya on the team. And others like him. i think open Ai have been fortunate enough to put together the right team.

  • @CanadianPodcast
    @CanadianPodcast11 ай бұрын

    Great conversation gentlemen!

  • @jorenheit
    @jorenheit11 ай бұрын

    "My error bars are in log scale." Awesome phrasing.

  • @rainer9825
    @rainer9825 Жыл бұрын

    Great interview. Ilya seems to be very grounded and sensible. Quite refreshing in these hectic times. Thought the part about robotics was funny. How to describe Tesla without mentioning Tesla.

  • @favesongslist

    @favesongslist

    Жыл бұрын

    I guess he knows Elon Musk ambitions very well, but Musk is not happy the way OpenAI is going as a "Not for profit" although I understand the need for the vast investment that Microsoft brings to the table.

  • @WilliamKiely
    @WilliamKiely Жыл бұрын

    Great interview, good questions. When Ilya said he wasn't worried about OpenAI's weights getting stolen because OpenAI had good security people, it made me wonder whether information security careers are over-rated by e.g. 80,000 Hours. (E.g. See 80k's post titled "Information security in high-impact areas")

  • @aeriagloris4211

    @aeriagloris4211

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm just a layman, but I don't understand how he could not be concerned by a truly powerful actor, like the NSA, or the Equation Group, or Mossad - unless there's something he's not revealing - maybe something like, they've secured cybersecurity help from the US government or Pentagon, or something.

  • @videowatching9576
    @videowatching9576 Жыл бұрын

    Fascinating! Thanks! Also playing at 0.75x - so much content and pretty fast, so helps.

  • @alpha0xide9
    @alpha0xide911 ай бұрын

    Well done! This is the kind of stuff we really need.

  • @mrckameeta9777
    @mrckameeta9777 Жыл бұрын

    it was said no humility, but it came naturally. Nice response to the last question grootman!

  • @jhaus3000
    @jhaus3000 Жыл бұрын

    Enlightening interview, really well done. What is your secret to asking such great questions? Assuming this is a long answer, please make a video about it.

  • @Narutendo3
    @Narutendo38 ай бұрын

    Excellent interview! I think you’re quite a bit better at this than most of the big name interviewers

  • @ericadar
    @ericadar3 ай бұрын

    It's hard to get any dramatic statements out of Ilia but this is one of the better interviews with him.

  • @thclollypop18
    @thclollypop18 Жыл бұрын

    Loved your questions and general approach to the interview! Immedialtely Subbed! My only feedback is that the ending felt rushed. A suggestion would be to close with something more open or general which might give your partner a opportunity to abstract the conversation.

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    Жыл бұрын

    My partner's time was constrained :) Appreciate the feedback!

  • @mattack12
    @mattack12 Жыл бұрын

    Good interview. I especially commend Mr. Sutskever for his precise and succinct answers. What a refreshing change to the Lex Fridman/ Sam Altman interview which was unbearably wishy-washy and disappointing. I wish though that there were more follow up questions by the interviewer. It felt at times that he was in a hurry to get to the next question on his list. Still very informative and appreciated!

  • @joseortiz_io

    @joseortiz_io

    Жыл бұрын

    Totally agree with both of your points. Lex and Sam’s interview did seem wishy-washy. I think the reason why there wasn’t follow up questions is the interviewer’s lack of depth in knowledge about the field such as the technical details. But yeah I really wish there was follow ups. It was rapid fire of questions

  • @Jonathan-rm6kt
    @Jonathan-rm6kt2 ай бұрын

    Just discovered this channel, great job on a fantastic interview. You perfectly balanced meaningful questions with brevity unlike other popular hosts (*cough cough* Russel Brandt), and let the guest convey his thoughts while maintaining structure. Sub'd!

  • @litgeeksquadofficial
    @litgeeksquadofficial Жыл бұрын

    How am i just now hearing about this channel? You sir are about to go viral

  • @fredrik241
    @fredrik241 Жыл бұрын

    Great interview! I personally don't think that better knowledge or intellectual power necessarily leads to a better world. We still have wars, famines, poverty and preventable deceases while possessing the intellectual capabilities and knowledge to prevent those if we really wanted to. The main problem is selfishness and greed and apathy.

  • @cosmotect

    @cosmotect

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree, I think solving these is a requirement to stable future for humanity.

  • @halnineooo136

    @halnineooo136

    Жыл бұрын

    While the product of rational thinking, like science, technology and culture in general can grow fast, our emotional part changes almost only through natural evolution which is so slow you can consider it still in comparison to culture. Now the emotional brain for good or bad is the part that is really in charge, so roughly speaking we are palaeolithic apes with technology.

  • @HamHamHampster

    @HamHamHampster

    Жыл бұрын

    Problem is, politicians today are not "better knowledge or intellectual"? Those dinosaurs have been in congress since forever.

  • @jendabekCZ
    @jendabekCZ Жыл бұрын

    What's wrong with the audio? It is very disturbing how it is muting completely when it get's a bit lower.

  • @ILikeAI1
    @ILikeAI110 ай бұрын

    This is my second listen, I loved this podcast! Keep it up!

  • @jonathanlivingston7358
    @jonathanlivingston7358 Жыл бұрын

    Man, you speak super fast! I had to put subtitles on. Great interview! Thank you

  • @mistahrhee
    @mistahrhee Жыл бұрын

    Subscribed. By far the best tech interviewer out there. I’m more worried for Lex getting replaced by this guy than I am for ppl getting replaced by chatgpt atm

  • @DwarkeshPatel
    @DwarkeshPatel Жыл бұрын

    Enjoy!! Please share if you did!

  • @DanielleNewnham
    @DanielleNewnham Жыл бұрын

    Another great interview Dwarkesh! Keep 'em coming!

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Will do!

  • @panafrican.nation
    @panafrican.nation3 ай бұрын

    12:53 I absolutely loved his answer on robotics. On multiple fronts. From the company/org-building perspective (the logistics/ops etc), to the difficulties of working with hardware (long feedback/iteration cycles), the fact that current progress in AI is due to availability of compute and data but there's little data from robotics then and now etc. I'd have argued there is data, but the data is in niches focused on narrow _outcomes_ . So we do have little _general_ data. I intuitively feel that there's a way forward that I can't articulate at the moment. Part of it has to come using said compute to innovate on ways to drastically cut down product feedback cycles. Also being more creative on data, so that it's less of a limiting factor. wish my thinking was as clear as his. It probably comes from pure hard work accompanied by constant introspection.

  • @diegocaleiro
    @diegocaleiro Жыл бұрын

    Great questions!

  • @DwarkeshPatel

    @DwarkeshPatel

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @JorgetePanete
    @JorgetePanete Жыл бұрын

    Human feedback puts a limit to how good a model can be, we shouldn't want it to say what we _think_ it's a good answer, to reach AGI it needs some kind of reasoning

  • @Chrisspru

    @Chrisspru

    Жыл бұрын

    reasoning is emergent factor from coherent analysis of considtent feedback across enough domains: an extrapolatable pattern emerges. our evolution to reason was similar

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